THE TRUTH EXPOSED...DEER HUNTING FOOD PLOTS AND SOIL PH
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- čas přidán 26. 12. 2023
- FINALLY WE FIND OUT THE TRUTH BEHIND DEER HUNTING FOOD PLOTS AND SOIL PH. DO WE NEED TO RAISE THE SOIL PH IN OUR FOOD PLOTS, AND IF SO WHAT IS THE BEST WAY TO DO IT. AG LIME, PELLETIZED LIME, OR LIQUID LIME, I EXPLAIN THEM ALL AND TELL YOU WHICH YOU SHOULD BE USING IN YOUR FOOD PLOTS.
Great video. Putting lime on your fields and getting the Ph right is so important. In the Northeast we have no snow. It's a great time to start the process now..
Absolutely! The best time to start adding lime is as soon as you can! For me I’d rather be a little cold when doing it rather than trying to fight heat, snakes, mosquitoes, and ticks! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Good accurate information right there. There are some finer details he doesn’t go into, but he hits ALL of the important details and his explanation is on a level anyone should be able to understand.
People could save themselves a lot of money by following what he is recommending and not getting swayed by the picture on the bag, or container or the racks on the wall behind the snake oil salesman.
Good stuff!
Michael, I appreciate the support and thank you for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
My first application when establishing a food plot, I did ag lime. Now I maintain with pelletized lime for the convenience and ease of spreading.
That’s a great way of doing it! It’s so much easier to maintain the ph where you want it to be, rather than letting it get back down and trying to bring it all the way back up again! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Did my first soil test 3 years ago and tilled in the recommended amount of AG lime.
I have added pelletized lime each fall since.
Im looking forward to doing my second soil test this fall and seeing what changes the lime and various crops have added to the PH and OM 👍
Great information Wes. Lime is one of the "little" things that is easy to overlook when food plotting because you don't see it doing anything. 3 years ago when I bought my property I did soil tests and then started spreading lime, 3 tons of it! It doesn't seem like a lot until you do it! This was all by hand, 1 bag at a time to get me to a 6.3 . Since then I have used liquid lime at planting time. My first trial with the liquid I bought the stuff with calcium chloride in it and all it did was plug my sprayer! Now I use stuff with calcium carbonate and it works great at 2 jugs per acre. It hasn't really raised the PH though but gives the plants a boost at germination. This spring I plan on spreading 1 ton of pelletized lime and I should be ok for a while. Great info on brassicas lowering the PH, I didn't know that!
Mark that’s great you put the work and effort in and got the ph where it needs to be, that’s so key to a successful food plot. Yes sir,nitrogen fertilizer is highly acidic and high amounts will drop the soil ph. Thanks for watching, glad you found the video helpful!
Thank you. This was just the information I was looking requesting.
Darin I’m really glad you enjoyed the video and that it was a topic you were interested in! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you for always answering questions and comments... Much appreciated 👍👍
You’re welcome buddy!! Glad I could help!
I sure do appreciate the run down on the lime. The Food Plot Pro-fessor! Thanks again for sharing this great information for a better "Kentucky Windage" of better PH's!!
Yes sir! Glad your enjoying the content and finding it useful! Thanks for watching and commenting
It's pretty pathetic Deer Gro, and Jeff @ WHS are pushing the liquid lime which deer gro is calcium chloride. No way that jug is same as ton of ag lime! Thanks for being real with us Wes!
Whs never says its a replacement he said its an alternative , and a maintainance applicant , he always tells you to use lime
Yes sir! Well before I had my food plot channel I noticed many big social influencers pushing these calcium chloride products. Many many food plotters fell into the trap. Glad you found the video helpful! Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@adamwiech4874I’m not trying to be hateful in any shape from or fashion, but the problem is….calcium chloride has nothing to do with changing the soil Ph. The folks that say calcium chloride is a short term plan or a band aid are misinformed.
They sell bagged ag lime non pelletized for a lot cheaper than pelletized. Allows hauling back to difficult areas much easier. Then just cut the bag and spread.... looks like a cocaine factory exploded.
Also Mojo K2O liquid lime is good stuff and has 68% CCE. Would recommend it for maintaining FPs.
Yes sir, I used some ag lime in a bag in the video, it’s just really difficult to get spread. I’m not familiar with that product, my only concern with liquid calcium carbonate is the sheer amount needed to equal the same amount of ag lime, but if you can get the correct amount applied it will work. Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
I fell into the calcium chloride lie. It works for a season or so in growing. After that it begins to hurt the soil. Too much magnesium and salt.
Ph was 5.2. I'm using pellet lime from now on. Lesson learned.
Lance there is a pile of folks who have fell into trap, it sounds so good and they have got some giant CZcamsrs and hunting stars pushing the product out to the masses. Thanks for watching and commenting, I really appreciate it!
There is one other way to apply ag lime. Find yourself a golf course worker and have him show you how they top dress putting greens with sand. Same technique !! Flat shovel heaped with lime and pretend you're doing a hockey slap shot.The lime will fan out in nice thin layer once you get it. Couple guys and wagon of lime can really get it done. We do all our plots that way.......give it a go !!
John! I’ve done that many times with sawdust in tobacco barns, you do that with lime all day and do multiple plots, all credit goes to you sir! That’s some tough work, and I bet you are stout as a bull! You’re absolutely correct, you can do it that way! Thanks for watching and commenting! I really appreciate it
Wes...great information, and really explained in an easily understandable manner. I always wondered if the pelletized lime was stronger and how well the liquid lime compared. The liquid lime has had a lot of hype, but I was skeptical and also was concerned about plugging up my sprayer. Thanks again for how clearly you presented it. Bob
Bob glad you liked the video and found it helpful! I try really hard to explain it in a way where everyone can understand so I’m glad you mentioned that! I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I wished id a found this long time ago... Spent hours and hours reading, it was interesting once i got the gist of it...
One thing you didnt mention was dolomite vs calcitic and why you'd choose one or the other for certain applications.
I will try to make a video of that soon, that’s a good idea for a video! Thanks for watching
Great video
Thanks pat! I’m glad you enjoyed the video! I appreciate you watching and commenting!
I use 40 lb bags of Pelletized lime, i have to currently haul it in on my back because i have no equipment to use currently.....i will be doing a bunch of soil tests on our property this winter.
That is tough brutal work! I’m sure you have a whole different level of pride when you produce a quality food plot! Keep up the good work! Thanks for watching and commenting
Appreciate the info. Couple questions. I've pretty much gone to just straight no till practices with soil conservation in mind.
1. Do you feel the need to till the soil after broadcasting/spreading lime?
2. If you don't till how deep do you test the soil for sampling purposes?
Brandon those are great questions! There is No need to till it in….it does work faster when tilled in but farmers have been using no till and spreading lime on top of no till ground for years. It just simply takes it a little longer to work down into the soil profile.
I typically go around 3-5 inches for soil samples….on my good soil I can go 5 inches fairly easily, on my rocky and poor hills it can be a real struggle to get to 3”. They claim 6” is ideal. I like to get a bunch of different samples from a fields crush them all up and mix them together, then send off a sample to be analyzed. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Planted Alfalfa got good stand soil ph was 4.8 cec 3.6 organic matter 1.8 in June then checked again in September soil ph 5.9 cec 6.5 organic matter 2.9. Grew spring/summer plot 1st year planting only .5 acre though I'm actually surprised gonna recheck soon and yearly on dates put out at least 3500lbs lime by hand and handspreader called for 6800lbs lime/acre witn zero fun sucked both ways spring plot was up already
It definitely is no fun putting the lime down, no matter how you slice it. Really makes you appreciate when someone will come in with a truck and spread it! Good luck with your alfalfa plot!
Thanks Wes
Thanks for watching and commenting!!
Have you ever used calcium sulfate? Is it just like lime?
I’ve never used calcium sulfate, however it is not like lime. It does have some advantages in extremely low soil ph levels. But calcium sulfate does not remove the hydrogen ion from the soil, so it is not changing the acidity of the soil. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Liquid lime is junk and Ag lime IMO is the best if you can get a spreader to the plots.
Yes sir! 100% it is unbelievable to me the amount of people that still believe these liquid products work….i see it on forums and Facebook food plot groups all the time. Maybe they will watch the video and realize what they need to be using. Thanks for watching and commenting!
Good video, but you are WAY off when you tell people one ton raises pH 1 point. That may work in your area but it varies wildly depending on soil type. 1/2 ton could = 1 point or you could need 2-3 ton or more. Also the ideal pH for nutrients for most crops would be 7.5 so 7-8 would be my target.
Thanks Mr whitetail, soil samples will tell you in your area how much lime is needed to raise the ph 1.0. But as a general rule of thumb, 2000LBS of lime will raise the soil ph 1.0….but I completely understand your point, as the cce alone can be extremely different in 2 different quarries. Thank you for sharing your experiences, and I appreciate you watching!
Will barn lime work ok ?
Thanks for the great info 👍
Yes sir! Barn lime is calcium carbonate…The same as ag lime. It will reduce the soil acidity. Glad you enjoyed the video, thanks for watching and commenting!
Thank you 😊
I was hoping Wes would mention Barn Lime for two reasons: First is cost; a 50# bag of barn lime cost $2.50. Second, it's not that hard to spread; I am 68 and can spread a ton of barn lime, by hand in an hour or less...you simply cut the top of the bag, swing from side to side and 15 seconds later the bag is empty. Have a wife, friend, whom ever follow you with UTV, ATV, Tractor as you go. I have done many tons this way, try it once and see if its right for you. You can do this in the middle of winter and spread it right on top of a snow, saving your spring for planting and fall for hunting.
Wes, my PH (just tested) is like yours, 5.1 to 5.7 in my various plots. Are you saying I can apply basically 1/2 of the lime they recommended per acre?- thanks!
With pellleted lime? If I was doing pelleted lime I would not try to put the full amount on there in one year, I would spread that amount over 2-3 year. I actually got my results back a few days ago….putting 900lbs of lime jumped the ph about 1 point…..of course that can vary by the sample and areas of the field. But I figure planting corn and putting 175 lbs of nitrogen down my soil ph will drop 0.5 annually. My results last year were 5.3….i put 900 lbs per acre down last spring before planting and my soil is now at 5.7. Hope that makes sense.
@@DIYfoodplotpro yes it does makes sense, one of my plots that had a 5.1 , test came back saying I needed 1.25 tons for spring/summer and 2 tons of lime for Fall planting...So do you think I would be ok just going with 700 pounds or so of pelleted lime for now?
What are you wanting to plant? Your right at that edge where’s your going to see some pretty big deficiencies if you don’t do anything. I would try to add about 900-1000 LBS per acre of pelleted and check soil again same time next year…to see how much it raised it
@@DIYfoodplotpro I'm going to plant Iron and Clay peas in most plots, I'm also going to try a 1/4 acre of Buckwheat to see how it does - thanks!
Peas can take pretty acidic soil….its a really good plot for those soils. I’d still recommend lining in though
Will a broadcast speader work with ag lime???
Barry mine worked to an extent, I do have a little agitator that spins in the bottom of the hopper. Don’t overload the hopper, more isn’t better, the more you put in the more it packs. Also I spread my lime the day it was delivered. I didn’t let it get rained on. It wasn’t fun and sometimes it was a lot of stopping and tapping on the hopper with a hammer to get the hollowed out spot to cave away, but it can be done.
OK! Thanks for the info!!
Your welcome!
@0:27 that’s not accurate. In the state of Kentucky, you can bait on private land just not on public lands. So if you have 1800 acres, you can legally bait.
Straight from fw.ky.gov
“Current Kentucky regulations allow hunters to hunt deer using bait while on private property. Hunting deer over bait on public property is not allowed. Current Kentucky regulations define “Bait” as “a substance composed of grains, minerals, salt, fruits, vegetables, hay, or any other food materials, whether natural or manufactured, that may lure, entice, or attract wildlife.”
We are in the cwd surveillance zone, no baiting in the county I’m located in.
@@DIYfoodplotpro did they ever say where the deer that tested positive that was submitted to kygunco was from?
@@Ryan40272 I hadn’t heard about that one. We did have a positive in Ballard county which is in west ky about a hour north of where I’m at
Great video
Thank you sir! I appreciate you watching!