How to Make Anhydrous Ethanol from Cheap Liquor

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  • čas přidán 17. 05. 2024
  • In this video I offer an alternative to molecular sieves, or vacuum distillation to obtain 100% ethanol, Using glycerine.
    Bear in mind that this process is not efficient but works wonders if you need pure ethanol at low cost and don’t have any other means to get it.

Komentáře • 102

  • @eqwerewrqwerqre
    @eqwerewrqwerqre Před měsícem +40

    Awesome to see more reasonable home lab solutions! The big chemistry channels can get a bit wrapped up in high investment technology that no one here can reasonably recreate. I'd love to see more interesting techniques for obtaining things on a bit of a budget

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +5

      Absolutely!!, it's incredible how much can be done affordably with hardware and grocery store supplies. Thank you for watching and for your comment.

    • @sinenomine7405
      @sinenomine7405 Před 24 dny

      Exactly, that's what clandestine chemistry is all about isn't it, simple setups, easily obtainable chemicals or ways to make precursors or solvents etc(like the distillation of Sassafras albidum oil to get safrole) and producing high quality/purity substances

    • @JaredBrewerAerospace
      @JaredBrewerAerospace Před 21 dnem

      @@sinenomine7405 What is your unmet need that makes your ruin at home chemistry for everyone else?

  • @TheCaptainLulz
    @TheCaptainLulz Před měsícem +28

    Im so glad you found a use for trash like that. Mezcal in a plastic bottle would probably have led to regret anyways.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 26 dny +8

      Indeed. there's no better use for those bottles.

  • @TheLOOLIES
    @TheLOOLIES Před měsícem +19

    😂 the best part is when the ceramic ring gets stuck in the flask.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +5

      Hahahahah, it added authenticity to the video

    • @barfbot
      @barfbot Před 16 dny

      felt it so hard haha! that said im stealing that trick, beats using broken glassware

  • @fmdj
    @fmdj Před 26 dny +12

    Nice, I didn't know glycerin broke the water / ethanol azeotrope. This is cool cuz clycerin is cheap a.f.
    I tend to use A3 sieves. They are very cheap on a very well known generalist Chinese site, contrary to chemistry shops.

    • @fss1704
      @fss1704 Před 20 dny +1

      Use radiator fluid and whiteboard chalk, and to separate acetone from nail polish you mix it with oil then separate and distill the oil, 100% guaranteed to be anhydrous as the water and oil don't mix. It would be great if i could find an oil to dissolve ethanol.

    • @fmdj
      @fmdj Před 19 dny +1

      @@fss1704 I'm fortunate to still have acetone OTC where I am, but this is a good idea. Never heard of any solvent you could use to pull ethanol out of water though, but who knows.

  • @gasunderpressure9131
    @gasunderpressure9131 Před 14 dny

    Great video and really great tip using the aquarium media for boiling chips. Looks like that works really well.

  • @fss1704
    @fss1704 Před 20 dny +1

    Get ethylene glycol instead, car's radiator fluid. For storage, you can use dried whiteboard chalk instead of the sieves, and to separate acetone from nail polish try mixing soy food oil and then distill the food oil. Theoretically you can dissolve the alcohol into some other oil (baby oil? idk) and do the same thing as i mentioned for acetone.

  • @aryanpandey7284
    @aryanpandey7284 Před 15 dny

    This a really well made and explained video! Interesting from start to finish :))

  • @DangerousLab
    @DangerousLab Před 21 dnem +2

    Lol, I just came across your video on my home feed and we made a video on the exact same topic just 2 weeks apart! Although the method I used is drying with anhydrous magnesium sulfate.

  • @SmallPharm
    @SmallPharm Před 13 dny

    You can make anhydrous ethanol using copper sulfate. Copper sulfate usually exists as a hydrate (blue), but if you heat it in an oven, it will turn white (with a slight tint of blue), i.e. anhydrous. Then, as soon as the copper sulfate has cooled, immediately throw it into the ethanol and stir well - copper sulfate, even in hydrate form, is insoluble in ethanol. Close the lid and let it sit - you will end up with a blue precipitate because the anhydrous copper sulfate has "taken away" the water from the water/ethanol mixture.
    You can then save this portion of ethanol for further dehydration. Typically the cycle is repeated until the cycle when a new portion of anhydrous copper sulfate, added to the ethanol, remains white.

  • @ronritekinamatigai
    @ronritekinamatigai Před 25 dny +3

    I once obtained high concentration of ethanol by dehydrating it with K3PO4, that was obtained by adding KOH to the aqueous solution of KH2PO4 and then drying it on a plate. The only problem was that drying slurry of K3PO4 was bumping and sputtering as crazy...
    It proved to be quite strong dehydrating agent, and the ethanol I obtained was miscible with hydrocarbons, though I did not measure its exact concentration.

    • @johncochran8497
      @johncochran8497 Před 19 dny

      Long time ago, I was told to add Sodium Hydroxide to the Water Ethanol azeotrope in order to get anhydrous ethanol. Personally, I don't see any reason that Potassium Hydroxide wouldn't do the same.

  • @christopherleubner6633
    @christopherleubner6633 Před měsícem +4

    Start with 190 proof PGA or some clearanced hand sanitizer. The hand sanitizer usually have IPA and N butanol, but both can be removed by holding the temperature to get the IPA to come off and ending the distillation early to avoid the butanol. Its OK to leave them in if making ether as they will actually catalyze the reaction. If going for pure ethanol. Distil once from magnesium sulfate alcohol mix then add molecular sieves to grab the rest of the water. Leave them in when storing it.❤

  • @ghian696
    @ghian696 Před 26 dny +7

    Can ethanol be concentrated from ~98% to 100% by adding shavings of metallic calcium to the solution. The calcium reacts with the remaining water to produce a precipitate of insoluble calcium hydroxide, which can be filtered out. A bottle of absolute ethanol can also be maintained in this state by keeping some shavings of metallic calcium in the bottle.

    • @neb_setabed
      @neb_setabed Před 19 dny

      would the ethanol react with the calcium metal?

  • @madansharma2700
    @madansharma2700 Před 29 dny

    Well done.

  • @alllove1754
    @alllove1754 Před 27 dny +1

    I thoroughly enjoyed your creativity, explanations, and decent procedural approach to a welcome and (very unwelcome, one day at a time) often desired substance. ❤❤

  • @blindsniper35
    @blindsniper35 Před 18 dny

    You can buy 97% ethanol at the liquor store where I live. I generally stick to the methods that allow me to just add something.(Calcium, sieves, ect)
    I'm being time efficient, definitely not being lazy.

  • @DropBear69
    @DropBear69 Před měsícem +1

    The azeotrope of a true water + ethanol solution is 97.2% alcohol by VOLUME and 95.6% alcohol by WEIGHT. Yeah, I was surprised too when I found out! I enjoyed your video, thank you.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +2

      Depending on where you read it, people say that the azeotrope is at 96% to 97% by volume. I just ignore it and took creative license by calling my 96% ethanol "azeotropic". I'm really glad you enjoyed the video!

  • @QbutNotTheQ
    @QbutNotTheQ Před 22 dny +1

    You could get very close by just using salt. Soak the ethanol in A3 zeolite and then distill out the zeolite powder is probably the best method to get to 100%. It would be cool if somehow you could percolate the alcohol vapor through the glycerin. Essentially the process for dehydrating natural gas. It’s not exactly glycerol, but TEG, triethylene glycol. Easiest method is put ample NaCl in the first two distillations, then dry with zeolite, and do a final distillation to clean it up, and don’t allow air to touch the product.

    • @fss1704
      @fss1704 Před 20 dny +1

      Radiator fluid, ethylene glycol is lightyears better than glycerine. Dried whiteboard chalk for the storage.

  • @fabioteixeira868
    @fabioteixeira868 Před 28 dny +4

    I don't know if it would go all the way to anhydrous alcohol, but I've heard that adding table salt to an water-alcohol mix will make the alcohol drop out of solution whilst the salt takes its place dissolved in the water. Maybe an idea for another video? 😅
    Cheers from Brazil

    • @davidestabrook5367
      @davidestabrook5367 Před 26 dny +2

      I have added table salt to 70% isopropanol, it made 90% isopropanol float on top of the aqueous salt layer.
      For distilling home brew, I always add salt to the first distillation, because it reduces foaming.
      To the second distillation, I add washing soda (sodium carbonate), because it converts the acetic acid contaminant into sodium acetate, which stays behind in the boiling flask, so giving purer ethanol.
      This video made me think that adding glycerine and a drying tube would be best for the third distillation.

  • @Appophust
    @Appophust Před 25 dny +2

    Do you guys have Everclear there? That stuff is like 95% alcohol and only around $20 for a 750 mil bottle.

  • @dadigitechman
    @dadigitechman Před 17 dny

    Might as well add myself to the list

  • @oscarlama
    @oscarlama Před 12 dny

    El segundo mejor uso del tio tony

  • @firstnamelastname-or4sn
    @firstnamelastname-or4sn Před 16 dny +1

    I’ve worked with glycerin as a humectant before, I never thought to use it in a distillation to hold onto water. Great video, where did you come up with the glycerin idea?

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 15 dny

      Hey! good question, the idea is not of my own. I found a thesis online talking about its possible use for drying ethanol in a continuous distillation column. So, I Try it with my batch lab equipment, and just worked!!

  • @user-sh6cv1no5m
    @user-sh6cv1no5m Před 22 dny

    anhydrous copper sulfate can absorb water

  • @fmdj
    @fmdj Před 26 dny +2

    4:45 This scares me too lol, no offense I'm not trying to be an ass here, it's just that the last time I used that kind of force to plug a PTFE-wrapped "male" joint into its counterpart the outside ("female") part of the joint broke. I think this creates a lot of pressure, same principle as the wedges used to split wood. Go easy on the PTFE and be gentle with the glassware ;)

    • @davidestabrook5367
      @davidestabrook5367 Před 26 dny +3

      That happened to me too. Only once, but it taught me to be very gentle with PTFE wrapped joints. I still prefer PTFE tape than joint grease.

    • @fmdj
      @fmdj Před 26 dny +3

      @@davidestabrook5367 me too - almost nothing to clean, won't react with your reagents (99% of the time), better seal in many cases, and only realistic solution for H2SO4 distillation.
      And if I'm doing something that isn't too nasty (as in this video for instance), I just don't use anything on the joints. Never got one stuck so far 🤞.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 26 dny +3

      No offense taken! Thanks for the comment and the advice. I have never broken anything, but you're right, I might be putting those joints under more pressure than needed. I will continue using PTFE tape, but I'll be more gentle. Thank you again.

    • @lagrangiankid378
      @lagrangiankid378 Před 25 dny

      ​@@fmdjYou can use sulfuric acid itself as joint grease for distillation of sulfuric acid. But in general I prefer PTFE too as ordinary grease is a pain to properly remove unless you waste a lot of useful apolar solvent.

    • @fmdj
      @fmdj Před 25 dny

      @@lagrangiankid378 thx, yes I know that people do that, but firstly this requires already having concentrated H2SO4 so you have kind of an egg and chicken problem here (sure, you could use drain cleaner H2SO4 on the joints but I would fear it contaminates the product), and secondly - but maybe it's me doing it wrong somehow - every time I've tried that I have had significant H2SO4 vapours leaks, and that's very unpleasant to say the least.
      But when I use PTFE, I don't even need a fume hood (this is the result of a lot of experimentation and tuning of the setup, don't try it at home - I mean potential inexperienced people reading this, not you specifically ; not that I am very experienced either lol).

  • @user-mm4zs5ts9i
    @user-mm4zs5ts9i Před měsícem +1

    Whats that RBF heating setup? Is that just aluminium foil in a pot??

  • @russellzauner
    @russellzauner Před 18 dny

    I just read where zeolite is being used in cat litter - maybe that's a cheap source of molecular sieves

  • @kylecrane5751
    @kylecrane5751 Před 16 dny

    I imagine it's hard to store without taking on water later during storage. 3A Sieves or glycerin, not bad routes to go. Yet, I still wonder about that ethanol in the freezer regarding condensation and such variables. Perhaps no total storage is absolute.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 15 dny

      That's true, by now my 100% ethanol, should be 99 or 98%. It has to be stored with molecular sieves in the bottle, otherwise it will catch water from anywhere.

  • @ChemiKazi
    @ChemiKazi Před měsícem

    I think you could also use sulfuric acid on the ethanol to produce ethylene gas which can be bubbled in excess into water to make pure ethanol. its not economical because of the sulfuric acid though

    • @hantrio4327
      @hantrio4327 Před měsícem +3

      Ethene doesn't react with water under normal conditions

  • @kuronyaa-san
    @kuronyaa-san Před 23 dny

    I see. Change flask to A New One Flask. Where I pray can we purchase these "A New One Flasks"? >_>

  • @samthenerf
    @samthenerf Před 22 dny

    Could you recover the glycerine by evaporation? It boils at 290 c so leaving it in the sun on a tray should not cause much loss.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 21 dnem

      I tried, but the glycerin degraded and turned yellow. You would need a vacuum distillation to do that.

  • @guyr5538
    @guyr5538 Před 21 dnem

    Only 211 subscribers?!?!?. Sir Make that 212.

  • @con-structsolutions2253

    Might want to take the Teflon tape off the glass ground fittings..

  • @fmdj
    @fmdj Před 26 dny +1

    3:00 Maybe I'm not seeing the setup well enough, but your condenser seems dangerously unsupported to me, I'd be scared of the joint on the side of the fractionating column snapping off. I'd suggest adding another clamp close to the other end of the condenser.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 26 dny +2

      Good catch! Yeah, I mentioned it in the video. I'm missing another stand there. I had to be very careful not to cause an accident. I was distilling ethanol with a Jenga tower made out of glass.

  • @whatitmeans
    @whatitmeans Před 21 dnem

    What would have happened if you had added the glycerol directly to the liquor of the first batch? Would it help to have a +98% alcohol solution on just one batch?

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 21 dnem +1

      It might not be possible to obtain dry ethanol from such lower concentration. However, if I had a fractional column long enough, the separation could be feasible from concentrations of ethanol lower than the azeotropic one.

  • @davidfalconer8913
    @davidfalconer8913 Před 14 dny

    A VERY interesting video ... but .... you can get 95% alcohol in some DIY stores ( for trendy house stoves ) .... and .... you do not have to waste a nice ( expensive ? & drinkable ? ) liquor ..... ( tried - n - tested ) ................ DAVE™🛑

  • @dragoscoco2173
    @dragoscoco2173 Před 15 dny

    Why not react the water with something more mundane like CaO.

  • @charleshall6598
    @charleshall6598 Před měsícem

    Glycerin is an interesting approach. And storing anhydrous ethanol with calcium chloride is smart. I wonder, if you have azeotropic ethanol, could you add sufficient drying agent (e.g., calcium chloride, sodium sulfate, magnesium sulfate) to soak up the remaining water, and end up with anhydrous ethanol?
    Also, could you try anhydrous methanol? It seems that methanol does NOT form an azeotrope, neither with water nor ethanol. That's interesting.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +4

      Calcium chloride seems to react with ethanol, making it unsuitable to use as a drying agent. However, you could use magnesium metal, which would react with the water, thus drying the ethanol. If you ask me, I would say that molecular sieves, and glycerine are the best methods to obtain anhydrous ethanol.

    • @user255
      @user255 Před měsícem

      @@AndysCatalyst What would be the reaction between CaCl2 and ethanol? I'm quite sure Mg is more likely to react with ethanol to form the ethoxide.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +5

      ​@@user255 You're absolutely right, ethanol reacts with Mg. Sorry I wasn't clear. Mg reacts with water and produces MgO and hydrogen gas. At the same time, it produces the ethoxide you mentioned by reacting with ethanol. However, that ethoxide reacts with more water, producing the original ethanol and more MgO. In the end, the result is Mg plus water producing MgO and H2 gas.
      Now, regarding the CaCl2, some people in the internet say it reacts with ethanol, producing a complex, but in other places, they say that it could be used with no issue. I haven't tried it, so I cannot speak for myself, but I will sustain my point. Molecular sieves or glycerine are, in my opinion, the more straightforward methods to get 100% ethanol.
      Thank you so much for your answer!, btw.
      Regards!!

    • @user255
      @user255 Před měsícem

      @@AndysCatalyst I see. I would be interesting to see even more low tech approach and try to use NaCl, etc to concentrate ethanol.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +2

      @@user255 I'm sure there are a bunch of substances that can break the azeotrope as glycerine and CaCl2 do. So, yeah, I might try that in the future, thank you so much for the suggestion!

  • @experimental_chemistry
    @experimental_chemistry Před měsícem +1

    Can be dried with calcium oxide, too. Just by vacuum filtratation on a sintered glass funnel afterwards.
    Here in Germany of course only with denatured alcohol... 🙄

  • @brucerosner3547
    @brucerosner3547 Před 15 dny

    Huh, every chem lab I've ever been to has a stock of pure high grade ethanol.

  • @drigorobot
    @drigorobot Před 13 dny

    Thumbnail says: "How to turn a bottle into a bong".

  • @Alex_Seth_23_
    @Alex_Seth_23_ Před měsícem +1

    А без проточного холодильника сможете?

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +2

      I don't think that you can perform this without cold water flowing through the condenser. Just natural convection with the air in the room is not enough to condense all the ethanol. It could even be dangerous, as a cloud of flammable ethanol would form in the room.

  • @GAFUKIS
    @GAFUKIS Před 24 dny +1

    este video me suena a luis horas jajajaja

  • @quint3ssent1a
    @quint3ssent1a Před měsícem +1

    For a moment I thought he's going to separate water and ethanol by freezing (because, duh, ethanol doesn't freezes at zero C°) but then... I never heard of that particular method.

    • @schautamatic
      @schautamatic Před měsícem +1

      You're forgetting an annoying physical property called FREEZING POINT DEPRESSION! Yeah. Good luck trying to wring EtOH from water by freezing that mixture! 😂🤣

    • @quint3ssent1a
      @quint3ssent1a Před měsícem +1

      @@schautamatic yeah, I know that water-alcohol mixture doesn't freezes per se, it forms a frozen gel where you need to squeeze remaining liquid from gelled mixture, but separation by that principle is possible.

    • @lrmackmcbride7498
      @lrmackmcbride7498 Před měsícem +2

      Freezing to increase purity only works up to about 15%. The freezing point rapidly gets too cold for a normal freezer. If you use dry ice or liquid nitrogen of course you can do better.

  • @riffzifnab9254
    @riffzifnab9254 Před 22 dny

    Why does chemistry always involve pain and tears? (:

  • @Georgesbarsukov
    @Georgesbarsukov Před měsícem +1

    I feel like it's cheaper to just buy near "100%" pure food-grade (if it's 100% then why does it need to be food grade???) ethanol from a lab. I paid something like $45 per gallon + $30 in shipping. That's about 5.5 (40% 1.75L) bottles.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před měsícem +3

      It could be cheaper and easier. But, would it be more fun?

    • @Georgesbarsukov
      @Georgesbarsukov Před měsícem +3

      @@AndysCatalyst I think so. I enjoyed my experiments with ethanol a lot more than distilling. But, point taken.

    • @user255
      @user255 Před měsícem +3

      Not available for everyone.

    • @xydegek3121
      @xydegek3121 Před měsícem

      Don't drink non food grade ethanol.
      It is a 'waste' side product from another chemical reaction or petrochemical. It will have trace amounts of other chemicals or toluene in it. Same goes for naoh from hardware stores. Yes it is 100% but it will be contaminated with some metals.
      Will it make you sick? I dont know but is it worth it?

    • @jbone877
      @jbone877 Před měsícem +1

      If time isn't a factor for you, you can brew your own, for the price of sugar. Just a bit of fruit, or bakers yeast, and sugar.

  • @RWBHere
    @RWBHere Před 6 dny

    There is no such thing as cheap liquor in Britain, and it's illegal to distil alcohol here, unless you are either a licensed distillery distilling at least 1,800 litres at a time in your largest still, or else you are a rectifier. A rectifier is a business which buys liquor that has had the (very high rates of) taxes paid for it, and then distils it. In theory you can apply for a free rectifier's license, but in practice those licenses are rarely issued, and only to businesses after a long application and review period. Hobbyists are not welcome.

    • @AndysCatalyst
      @AndysCatalyst  Před 6 dny

      woww! I had no idea, I understand the reasons why, but can't help feeling sad for any chemists over there.