The Science of Connection (Polyvagal Theory with Horses)
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- čas přidán 10. 07. 2020
- I always come to the science of horse training from the back end. Meaning I figure out what works, and have a fairly good idea why it works, and then at some later date, I discover the science of why that particular exercise works.
For several years now I have been doing things differently than I have in the past, with amazing results. From the changes in Mustangs at clinics, stallions in Morocco, horses with separation anxiety, and horses that bite, they have all been about less correction and more connection.
In this video I uncover the science of why building connection first, before training, has been having such amazing outcomes for me, and it all comes done to one thing: Polyvagal Theory. This is a quick peek into my newest favourite subject.
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Warwick: not the horse whisperer, the horse listener. Awesome
My gf is a psychiatric social worker. She told me about the poly vagal system a few years ago. Truly amazing. And, you're dead right about the connection. I'm. Among other things, a farrier. I make a point of connecting with every horse I work on before I get under them. It keeps me safe. Touch wood, I haven't had a wreck under a horse since I started that. Keep up the good work. I'm a new follower. I love what you're doing. You're one of the few who really gets it.
Thank you !
Matt - how wonderful you connect with each horse before clipping & banging away. It's like asking them for permission. They like that. Good for you & safer for you & the horses.
@@mdee860 it is exactly asking permission to work on them. That's why it works so well. 😊
I think you'd find we all watch your long you tube videos 😜
The longer the better for me.
Yup, I feel super relaxed and alert when you go on at length (not unlike the equines). Please, feel free to expound allll you want.
@@janinawaz4596 He's using pressure release subliminally on you that's why you're so relaxed!!
Some things I have noticed that Mr. Schiller does:
1 - He is paying close attention to tiny movements, the ear flicks, the head position, the weight shifts from foot to foot, not just the gross body movements. Those are the "tells" (in poker player vocabulary) that let you know what the horse is feeling and thinking.
I have a cat that has aggression issues and her tell that she's about to flip from enjoying being petted to shredding my hand is that she'll rub a paw across her face. If I stop petting then, she relaxes.
2 - He's not making excess movements. Standing quietly and moving calmly means "I'm in charge".
If you want to know which cat is the dominant one in a cat fight, it's the one making the least noise, sitting there calmly with fur smooth.
The dominant herd mare is not the one squealing and nipping and kicking. She's the one that flicks an ear or swings her head and gets obedience.
And he's eliminated the possibility of inadvertently giving conflicting commands. One gesture = one action expected. You can't get that if you are fidgeting.
THIS! SO MUCH THIS!! Too often I see people flailing about while on their horse or working with their horse or flapping like a crazy chicken and just moving TOO MUCH- whether riding or handling their horse. For goodness sake, STAY STILL!! You're confusing the poor thing! As you said, use ONE thing at a time (or 2+ if you've worked up to that point of using combinations of cues) to get what you want. And you're right! It's so true with other animals, too!! GREAT observation!! I wish more people realized this. "Oh my animal hurt me for NO REASON with NO WARNING!!" Really? Are you sure?? Most likely not. What were YOU doing before it happened? Just standing there loving on it? I doubt it...... You just weren't paying attention, that's what you were doing....
True that. I worked as an animal trainer at zoos, and I found 2 traits separated the really good trainers from the average: they could read animal body language really well, and they had a calm, confident way of holding themselves. Most weren't even aware they were using these skills, they came so naturally. That unfortunately means when they tried to teach others they never thought to explain those skills (much less how to develop them).
What he's really doing is perfect pressure release.
Good points
You’re observant - something that’s a must with horses.
Thank you for bringing up a cats behavior. I rescued my cat at the age of two. He was not spayed so I had him fixed right away. I am guessing by his behavior that he was locked in rooms and kicked in hallways for the first 2 years of his life.
He has been with me for 3 years has free range inside and out. He can be very affectionate when he wants. I know he likes me.
He will watch my feet as I am walking, giving me the side eye as he walks next to me. I feel like he go's back into the flight or fight trauma trance of being kicked. Not all the time when he walks with me. The other day we were walking thru the carport and he was hissing at me which was not normal. I was feeling like what the heck I will just hiss back. Well he bopped with his claw on my ankle. Scratched me again. That was the first time I hissed back at him. I did not yell, I never yell or hit. What can I do to help him stay present and not get triggered?
The other times are when we are in the yard. I swear it feels like he is hearding me. Like he wants me to stay out side with him longer. He will follow me as I walk back to the house and if I am not paying attention to head him off he will bop my ankle like stay here I don't want you to go inside yet. How to work with a predator animal?
Horses seem a bit easier as they are prey animals and you can see when they relax. The only time Wiki relaxes is when he is sleeping. He even roles over showing his belly as he sleeps. He will give me kitty kisses with his eyes and will sound the affectionate chirps as I am petting him.
I know it is a long shot you will see this yet hoping someone can help me out or point me in the right direction. Thanks
Wow. Another paradigm shift. That they become more relaxed just by us getting their attention, acknowledging their stress, and that we are here to help. Sending that energy. That.is.profound.
It does make so much sense! I ride schooling horses with multiple people. And I'm constantly adjusting my communication for each individual horse to attain trust and cooperation? Love the info. Thanks Warwick!
Well said!!
Thank you for taking time to communicate these observations and techniques. Your a huge help to our horses.
I have a really hard time picking one favorite video. I'm honestly not sure how long I've been watching Warwick (I think it's been 7+ years). My horse is a super sensitive Arab that I had managed to train reasonably well using "natural" methods, but they were still using the philosophy that you "needed to be the boss" and "don't let the horse win". That hasn't worked well for Fire. It turned him into a very obedient firecracker who was perfectly willing to spook and leave you in the dust. Because of pregnancies and kids, I haven't been able to get out as often as I'd like, but my relationship with my horse has done a total 180 since the relationship path came out. I'm showing him I am willing to listen, and in turn, he's willing to relax and listen. He's even turning into a pony for my kids when needed. We're still deep within the journey, and I am enjoying it instead of resenting it (as I used to). I also use many of the same techniques with my son. He and Fire are very similar, but thankfully, I made many of my mistakes with my horse, who forgives much easier, and I learned how to be a better parent before I even had children. Thank you to the Schillers for reminding me (of what my gut already knew) there is a different way and it's well worth the trip. #journeyon20
A great different explanation on why a good horseman’s “timing” and “feeling” gets results.
I’ve been watching your videos for three or so years. Your constant learning and the evolution in your methods is inspiring. Thank you!
This poly vagal system work is definitely used in counseling work today particularly in trauma work. So glad a fellow horse trainer is making a step in changing the abusive methods of the "Give or
else" submission techniques that have overtaken many trainers since it's inception in the QH world 20 so years. ago.
Thank you again Mr Schiller,after 4.5 years my bucking horse has finally given me 4 good rides,without the buck.
I would listen to you for an hour at least!
Best explanation of gaining connection with horses that I've ever heard, and I've had horses for 20 years and used to go to many clinics. Bravo.
Thank you ! I am looking forward to learning more !
This video was really fantastic! Thank you so much for sharing this information!
Love your stuff and appreciate your heart for horses/trainers!
I really appreciate your longer form videos and theory discussions. Thank you so very much from Colorado!
Love your channel! I am learning so much. Thank you.
Love your videos! I always learn so much great information that I can try right away. I could watch/listen to you for hours. THANK YOU! 🐴❤️👍
Love watching your videos, always pick something new up. Myself and the horses I work with, really appreciate you sharing your knowledge and findings. Thank you!
I love your horsemanship and the fact that you make these accessible vids. I too, learn through doing and then always seem to find the science later on which gels it all together. I really hope you will visit France - we could host you 😊
Amazing! It's a lot about awareness and compassion. Thank you 🙏 ♥️
Thankyou for sharing your wealth of knowledge with us! Your approach is effective and unique!
I love how you are thinking and I like to see these posts
EXCELLENT video Warwick! Connection has been part of my training practices for years... but the science is always interesting. Incidentally, I could listen to you “bang on” for hours. ☺️
If you want to go about this for hours, I would definitely listen!! It’s fascinating and helpful, thank you so much for sharing!
Thank you for sharing this, Warwick - I hadn’t thought of the dorsal vs ventral aspects of the vagaries complex in relation to their interactions with us
Thank you for this video. It really opened up a new dimension with my relationship with my filly. They really do know. It made such a huge difference when I started listening to her.
This is so enlightening. Your. Info on the polyvagel system is brilliant, thank you. I look after a mixed-up, anxious cob pony who was on his own from foal to six years - no idea how to be a horse, and is very dominant at times. Your wisdom has already helped us both!!!
Thank you Warwick.
Very interesting concept❤Very helpful and positive 😊
Learning and helping another cultural to not only opening our eyes to the whys and hows of science but theirs as well is another reason these videos resonate with me. Being able to follow your journey on learning how to time and get the feeling of energy/aura from these horses really showed me what I was missing with mine which was basically stepping away and enjoying the nothing and get the feeling of where they and I are at mentally. I truly appreciate my time with them more now and the best times we have are just enjoying company sitting in the paddocks, thanks to you. #journeyon20
Fascinating, I love it when things click or actually can be based in Science. Kind of reaffirms the method.
That was great, thank you. Now, if I can remember those 4 and apply! ❣️🍀
Would LOVE to hear more about this. I found the same things when I was working with my own nervous system and then found similar healing/results with the horses when tuning into their nervous system and acting accordingly at the slightest piece of information.
More on this warwick. Its brilliant!!
Hi Warwick.. Thank you for another awesome video ...no matter how long a video you make I'd watch! My approach to my horse is the mantra I came up with, which is ...Trust, Connection, Training...I repeat that over and over to myself as I'm driving to my agistment...without Trust, without Connection, there is no point in Training! Thank you for your great work. Kind regards Daniella
I find your videos relaxing, entertaining and informative. I do not around horses at all, yet I watch your videos.
You're my fave Warwrick, you have taught me more about horse behaviour than anyone I know. Thank you for that. You don't mess around.
I could listen to Warwick all day!! PODCAST PLEASE!!!!!!!!
Absolutely Brilliant! We do what we do, instinctively sometimes with our horses..and the science comes trickling out to reinforce all the reasons it works. Fascinating!
Your videos have been what I've been looking for, for a long time. I never felt comfortable with other training methods and Poco and I always seemed to fight at some point. However with your connection through focus we haven't had those little fights and my anxiety has gone down tremendously both with horses and life. #journeyon20
This is my favorite video because it has helped me understand how to connect with my horse and understand that on days when I am present and reading my horse that that is why we work so well together. It changed the way that I interact with horses completely.
I think this describes perfectly what happens when a horse goes home from a good trainer/breaker to a less experienced or attuned owner and issues develop or “the drugs wear off 🙄”
The horse goes from Being seen, being heard, feeling felt and getting gotten to having the goal post shifted and not having those needs met.
LOVED this video and side note, your videos are never to long 👏
#journeyon20 Thank you so much Warwick Schiller for all that you have been doing for horses, their owners and their trainers by sharing so much of your knowledge for free through your videos on CZcams! I've noticed the shift in your approach over the last few years. I already liked what you did in the past and have learned a lot from just watching your work and trying to understand the principles behind it, but this new awareness about the connection with horses which comes first before we start all other training tops it all. What I liked especially about this video and others of the recent past also is that you don't go around trying to sell that it is all you who has discovered this but always give credit to the people who have set you on this track or helped you to clarify issues for yourself. This is what makes you authentic and helps to convince that what you do can also work for others. This is why I have been following you for the last 7 years since I took over full responsibility for my first own horse.
The trust technique talks about Being present all the time!thanks mate
lovely stuff, great information, all these videos are amazing. from the uk btw :)
I don’t if your a life coach or not but you definitely good be, from me just watching some of your videos, especially the principal of training series really got me to looking at my inner self to make sure I’m good in there and it’s made big difference on connecting with the the horse I’m working with. Thank you
Brilliant explanation!
Makes complete sense, thanks!!
Thank you so much for sharing your wisdom!
This is so interesting. I had a lot of trouble with my young gelding. And I managed so many of our problems since I started watching your videos. He had absolutely no trust in me and I realized that quickly. But I didn't know how to handle it. Since I started listening to him, he started trusting me. We still have some way to go but at least now I know how to go that way. I still can't put him on the trailer or stall and leave him alone... But at least I can take him there and stay there with him without many problems. That was absolutely impossible a few months ago. You and my youngster are teaching me a lot and I love to learn by both of you. So thank you for everything!
Fantastic tutoring :) Thank you!
A beauty company: Osea Malibu has a vagus nerve oil and I've noticed when I struggle to find stillness using this oil has helped me return to a balanced state. The Polyvagal system has always amazed me and it's so vital. Thanks for sharing.
This video has helped me so much with my horse. I’ve had my 20 year old appendix QH since he was 8 and I never figured out why he had so much anxiety JUST in the showring. If I would have been able to acknowledge his stress I think this could have made a career impact early in our career. Instead I tried all the wrong ways to make him calm that instead made him put the break and gas on at the same time. Hear what your horse is telling you, get their attention, and understand their emotion! Being seen feeling heard feeling felt and getting gotten! #Journeyon20
So glad you posted this. I loved your video with Sarah Scholte and then watched her Somatic Experiencing video. I trim horses and always let them know "I see them". They often fall asleep or need no one to hold them while I trim. I recently audited a clinic where someone asked about separation anxiety and the clinician said there were only 2 solutions "get a pony or let them embrace the suck". I was shocked. I'd used a John Lyons method 20 some years ago that I adapted. John Lyons didn't describe it as polyvagal theory of course, but it worked like a charm. His was a ridden method, that misses "thing before the thing" as you like to say. His theory was horse can get upset and stay upset for hours, but can't get upset and calm down repeatedly. What he was really doing was, in Sarah Schlote's terms was "Completing Pendulations - Waiting for deactivation of arousal to occur, before introducing a new stimulus, grows the window of tolerance for incrementally higher thresholds and grows confidence and resilience."
I ENJOY learning about animal behavior.....it has always fascinating me. Thank you
This is so interesting! It seems like an example of 'attention bringing relaxation' for people would be, when you are in a crowd of strangers and pipe up with a little joke that includes an obscure reference to a Seinfeld episode and everyone, except for one person, momentarily, stops what they are doing to look at you with confusion before they move on, but one person looks you right in the eye with a smile and a laugh, 'cuz they totally got the joke. That will be the person that is remembered. It's not just the attention, because that is what the crowd did. It's attention with signals coming back that you are among allies on your side enjoying you and your weird humor being there, in that moment.
I love this example!!
Well said.
Very informative .
Brilliant. I love this. Its also a way to train without doing things TO the horse rather than being together.... horses are herd animals and the being together (feeling seen and heard ... like you are saying) makes all the difference. PS... I would listen to long videos all day!
#journeyon
This video and indeed the others - most definitely the podcast Journey On - have made such a difference in my day to day with my horses by giving me the strength of community. The knowledge that I am not alone in my beliefs and approach to horsemanship and life, is a gift that can not be underestimated.
Thank you
I had to study polyvagal theory extensively as an acupuncturist. It is defiantly helpful to understand these theories when desensitizing, connecting, and training.
Thanks Warwick- I find this entirely fascinating! As with the zombie mare/wild stallions who can’t seem to be at peace/get their act together, You can also see similar behavior with kids whose parents have ignored/neglected them...they finally find someone who “gets them and has a real connection- they become different people entirely. Or, when these kids never get gotten, what kind of broken disconnected adult they become. (I’ve unfortunately seen this firsthand with a close family member who was always corrected/criticized. They are unable to truly function as an independent adult)
Being heard, being seen, feeling felt and getting gotten. Building the relationship. Thanks so much Warwick.
Love your videos. Thanks
Love this, thanks for sharing🐴✨💙
I watch the long ones! It’s all very interesting!
this is awesome
I like long videos, when you want information, you want the best you can get in whatever time it takes.
As someone who’s been a dairy farmer and married to a farrier instructor, been in enuf accidents to be told I cannot get on a horse (I’m determined) and abused, I find your videos fantastic.
Yes, the key with the horse is CONNECTION versus CORRECTION.
It’s all about trust. A woman, and a horse, will willingly follow the person that they trust. It’s about neuro-associations. Body language - moreso the subtle than the gross, indicate what’s going on physiologically.
I really enjoy watching your calm demeaner, it is healing.
Thank you. Be blessed.
This explains what I do with dogs. I try to teach people it’s about them being present and aware, plus techniques. If they notice and Acknowledge quietly, the dog hears and responds positively.
Very interesting and educational! I could watch this video much longer. Some of this might work for human beeings too. Thx for sharing your experiences and knowlegde with us!
Excellent video. Yes it's too bad people do not have the time to watch longer videos on these types of physiological behavior concepts. I think people like you that have learned these concepts by empirical knowledge have an easier time explaining in layman's terms. Thank you 🤠🐎💞
Oh, they have the time, theres 24 hours in a day...
@@WarwickSchiller please do more..even if they are in elephant bite sized pieces...it is worth the chew
@@WarwickSchiller my rescue horses need me to know this. I'm listening. Anything you have to say on this, I want to hear.
@@WarwickSchiller yes, we all have the same 24-hour days/ 7-day weeks. It all depends on how we choose to spend them! PS I appreciate the way you greet a horse who turns, sharing your appreciation of their slightest change (hello, Beautiful), and not grabbing or trying to hold them.
@@moonharp have you watched all the videos I mentioned in this clip ?
It's funny how it's usually the tiniest things (that seem tiny) that work so well. Instead of the difficult exercises, it's mostly the details that change the situation tremendously.
#Journeyon20
Every video of Warwick's has given me inspiration or workable skills to apply - what really keeps me coming back is the personal development - growing soulfully towards my horses has profoundly informed my actions.
It's not so much what I do but the intention and place in my heart that it comes from. The outcome takes care of itself.
Cheers to you - Team Schiller ♥♥♥
G'day Catherine, thanks for your response! You have won yourself a free months subscription! Just send me an email with your information and I'll get you sorted.
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Excellent thank you
I have witnessed the change in your vibration and energy and the change in your presence around the horse so this is truly my inspiration to change the way I am the way I breathe and the way I exist not just when around horses but in life ! Thank you for being a great example for me #journeyon20
thank you, now I'm wondering how to apply this to my slow to load, foot planting mare. will see what I come up with tomorrow.
I could watch your videos for much longer. It’s like I’m only getting the tip of the iceberg. Always believed you could connect with a horse on another level and WS proves it.
I sure want to get to learn ALL that you learned! Please
(Crazy colic story follows!)
Warwick, even though it's CZcams, I truly love watching videos that teach-don't care about the length!!! You're amazing and have impacted the connection my family has with our 5 yr old palomino paint. We engage with each other, and he definitely feels seen, feels heard -ppl don't understand the connection.
We've had him since birth and are doing all training ourselves and we've built a VERY solid foundation with him. In fact, he was trying on vain to tell me something, acting super weird at dinner one night. Refused to eat, kept standing along the left of his stall. I could not figure out what was wrong bc he didn't seem to be colicking. I left, took care of the chickens, then returned in an hr to check him. That's when I noticed his neighbor was starting to colic! Had I not had such a connection with our horse, the neighbor horse, 36 weeks have likely died but I just KNOW our guy and that he was trying to convey something!! We caught the colic early, walked the horse, gave him Banamine and called the vet, who ended up coming around 11pm and tubing him. He fully recovered thanks to the connection and communication I have with our family horse, and it's truly bc of you, your videos, as well as Ryan Rose. You both understand horses in ways we should all aspire to.
Thank you!!!❤️
thank you
I think W S is the best , he just has an amazing energy horses just love to be around and listen to .
Warwick is amazing! I can’t afford the subscription (exchange rate Rand to Dollar is a killer), but I have watched every bit of free assistance Warwick gives. He helped me take a high anxiety, panicked, untrusting abided cart horse into one that could maintain his own emotions and canter around in a halter. The kicking at humans ended. The curiosity was awoken. It was the most beautiful relationship shift I have ever seen. #journeyon20
The science has always come late for me as well if at all, but a short read did help me to understand why this type of training works so well........"Evidenced Based Horesmanship"..a great little book.
hats what started me on the science too.
I'd watch and would love some longer content please 😊 I dont have a horse but I love learning boring one day il.get the chance to own one
This is so encouraging but also overwhelming. We recently purchased two Andalusian horses, and have never owned horses before. I want to do it properly and have good horse citizens and be a competent and confident owner.
I would start first and foremost with this exercise:
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WarwickSchiller how can I get past my anxiety with the sheer size of these majestic animals? I feel like they can tell I’m nervous and slightly afraid. I want them to trust me and for me to be able to trust them.
Think I'll experiment with this on my dog....but to a point, I may already be, because I pay close attention to his state of mind and what he might be asking or telling me.
i watch long videos, please bang on about it.... this is very interesting
It is a myth that people have short attention spans. There are many videos on You Tube of one, two, or more hours duration that are extremely popular. These longer videos are a testament to our thirst for in depth discussions. Highly edited, bullet point material has a tenancy to tell us what to think, not how to think. Jordon Peterson's a good example of the demand for more than bullet points. The Highwire is another example, whereby interviews are not edited and the science is linked for all to verify.
CZcams analytics says that most people won't watch more than about 4 minutes. It seems they don't watch longer ones when they are free, but when you charge for them they pay attention.
@@WarwickSchiller That's sad, but I understand why it's true. I personally love longer CZcams videos on subjects that interest me. After you mentioned Dialectical Behavior Therapy I searched for good videos on it but was disappointed all I could find were short summaries. Anyways, thank you for the longer CZcams videos - I learn a lot from them.
@@MementoX1013 :-)
Fascinating, thanks! Have you read Karen Pryor's "Reaching the animal mind"? Where she describes finding the science behind something she had been doing for thirty odd years (with great success). 🙂
Great video, I would love to hear more about it! I LOVED your recent podcast on Come Along for the Ride, got so intrigued by it, wish it was even longer.
Can we please, please get the extended "talking for hours" version on the subscription for the polyvagal theory and dorsal break? Or the CAT method? I tried to research it but everything was sending me to kitten training...
We will be releasing a longer Poly Vagal Video on the subscription soon
You are on one of my favorite subjects so I would love it if you went on for hours
My project mare freezes when she gets nervous. I know that just because she’s standing still and seeming like she’s tolerating what I’m doing, she’s not really accepting or processing it. It’s a struggle we’re working through.
Polyvagal theorie is the concept of how all mammals function. Good to see a horse trainer that doesn't traumatise horses.
I find that attunement is easy when it's simply my horse and me (which can be tough, but do-able at a busy facility). The challenge is when the dynamics shift upon the arrival of other people and horses. This is what I am currently working through. I am not quite sure how to handle it, so I try something, and if it doesn't work, I try another approach. The goal being connection, trust and working toward the two of us together feeling safe with each other and in our ever-changing environment. The learning never ends. :)
Please make a video series that shows many different examples of going through the process of gaining trust and getting that relationship. Monty Robert's calls it join up and he gets it by teaching the handler to take a herd leader role. But it can be done without all the running around which is easier on the horse and handler and is WAY more practical for older ppl trying to work their horse.
We have this on our video library. Videos.warwickschiller.com
Can anyone link me to the long version because this is great and fascinating
Go on, tell me more. Thank you.
I am currently reading the story of beautiful Jim Keyy the smartest Horse ever thought by Doc William Key .the Doc when asked how he trained him answered only patience and kindness.which became the pledge for over millions of schoolchildren to always be kind to Animals.its such a simple thought .why make things complicatet.patience and kindness..it is this simplicity that poses the challenge to us.
So nice sind true
I’m always very interested in the psychology of training. I have trained dogs for almost 30 years now and the one thing I attribute to being so successful in rehabilitating dogs is understanding the psychological side of training. I have been watching your videos because I want to switch to training horses now and I am trying to figure out if I can apply the psychology I have learned in dog training to horses. So far I feel I can make that switch pretty smoothly. Aside from the fact that dogs are predatory and horses are prey animals, I feel most of what I know about dogs can still be applied to horses.
I would like to know your thoughts on that Warwick?
I always say a dogs behavior “good or bad” is a symptom of a cause. Any bad behavior is a form of some sort of anxiety. We are either providing the dog with what they need or not providing them with something they need. It’s never the dogs fault it’s ours.
For example I have people all the time tell me my dog barks at everyone when they come in to our house! So what do you do about that now? If we’re in the other room we just yell shut up or stop it! And after we just pet him and tell him it’s ok, it’s just so and so and then we put him in the other room. If your dog understood English he would probably listen and obey right? However you yelling at a dog is interpreted as a bark as well. “SHUT UP” STOP IT”. Ok so your removing him from a situation that is causing him anxiety and on top of that you pet him and say it’s ok “when he is in an unstable state of mind “ your giving physical touch(affection). I call this “unintentional positive reinforcement” you are essentially saying to him that your doing the right thing! Good boy! your not addressing the problem, your just removing him from that situation that causes anxiety, so the anxiety never goes away.
Basic obedience is like ground work for a horse, we gain the dogs respect through insisting that the dog perform certain task, when they don’t we make the wrong thing hard and the right thing easy. walking a dog is the best way because it’s the most primitive thing we can do with the dog. In the wild dogs walk everywhere to get food and water and there is always a pack leader. You never see two dogs walking side by side in the wild because there is a pecking order. A dog should always walk beside us without pulling the leash “my saying is his nose should never be beyond your toes” if it is, he is taking you for a walk. If he’s ahead by an inch your enabling him to lead. I could go on for hours but I think you see where I’m going...lol sorry for the long post, I just love this stuff. Another great video...👍