What I get from this is that we need "music rehab": to regain the experience of communal listening at ever deeper levels rather than surrendering to the random musical assaults of modern public life.
25:00 to the contrary. It is very often the case that understanding what music represents is crucial. It is the case with baroque symbols (such as the cross or sobbing motives), tropes (such as Dies Irae) or the composer's particular language of expression.
24:00 actually, La Mer by Claude Debussy wasn't intended to be representational either. It wasn't supposed to imitate the movement of the sea, but rather to express some mental connotations derived from imagination, not experience.
discussions of 'music' so often become ethereal and 'emotional' and disconnected from normal cues and normal vocabulary and normal meaning.......i find music to be occasionally soothing, frequently irritating, often boring and repetitive, increasingly vulgar....and maybe twice a year to be sublime. To attribute the transcendental and the divine and the magical and the medicinal to music, which is no more than agreeable tonal vibrations in the air, makes no impression on or sense to me. But i listen to classical music and often the selections are followed by a discussion wherein two or more effete very highly trained plinkers or string strummers make the most assinine comments about love, emotions, spring days, sorrow, some obscure austrian war, or a death in childhood. the Mozarts of the world exist in a different magnitude similar to the Isaac Newtons and the Shakespeares...we cannot know what they feel or understand...we can only observe their higher intelligence in action......slobbering abject nonsensical verbiage after their art really adds nothing and serves no one.
i like classical music....however some of it is extraordinarily irritating and shallow and hypercomplexified for no apparent reason. i thank God that i was not destined to be a violinist or a piano player of some skill, as anything over about 10 minutes becomes worse than having a tooth pulled....unless Jascha Heifetz is playing......but he wasn't really a musician, he was a soldier of the strings armored in a natural discipline that by analogy approximately emulated Alexander the Great.
The topic is interesting, but it is most unfortunate to the listener to hear Scruton deliver his oration in a poor manner, riven with disordered speech fluency, stammering and excessive use of filled pauses, (um , ah, er, etc) which severely limit the received listening effect. Almost every sentence he utters is flawed in this manner and it leaves one with the feeling that the material has not been adequately developed prior to delivery. The other performative error is that he is consistently looking at notes. A very bad look in a lecturer and guaranteed to turn the audience off. This chap should write only, never lecture.........3 out of 10
He’s often like this with his public speeches, he’s less awkward than he was in the 90’s, but I must say, many of the points he mentions in general, I struggle to disagree with.
Wonderful, thank you for this.
Illuminating. I love listening to this man!
What I get from this is that we need "music rehab": to regain the experience of communal listening at ever deeper levels rather than surrendering to the random musical assaults of modern public life.
In love with Scruton.
LEGEND
Truly Listening to ( authentic, ( good) music has been Likened to being In a Meditative State ( is a Meditatiion)
I can’t wait until the information of edm music and what it did to my brain is released.
Ot Is RESONATING In Our SOULS ( That's 'the ' Place')
Absolutley
25:00 to the contrary. It is very often the case that understanding what music represents is crucial. It is the case with baroque symbols (such as the cross or sobbing motives), tropes (such as Dies Irae) or the composer's particular language of expression.
Exactly so!
Thank you. Where to read about that ?
Salvandorum, I agree with you fully,this man did spend time developing lecture or communication skills,which makes his presentation appear Shoddy.
I meant to say he did not spend time in presentation.
24:00 actually, La Mer by Claude Debussy wasn't intended to be representational either. It wasn't supposed to imitate the movement of the sea, but rather to express some mental connotations derived from imagination, not experience.
44:00
Has the speaker ever heard of the Indian classical music and dances ?
indian music is a pathetic embarassment compared to european classical music
discussions of 'music' so often become ethereal and 'emotional' and disconnected from normal cues and normal vocabulary and normal meaning.......i find music to be occasionally soothing, frequently irritating, often boring and repetitive, increasingly vulgar....and maybe twice a year to be sublime. To attribute the transcendental and the divine and the magical and the medicinal to music, which is no more than agreeable tonal vibrations in the air, makes no impression on or sense to me.
But i listen to classical music and often the selections are followed by a discussion wherein two or more effete very highly trained plinkers or string strummers make the most assinine comments about love, emotions, spring days, sorrow, some obscure austrian war, or a death in childhood.
the Mozarts of the world exist in a different magnitude similar to the Isaac Newtons and the Shakespeares...we cannot know what they feel or understand...we can only observe their higher intelligence in action......slobbering abject nonsensical verbiage after their art really adds nothing and serves no one.
I agree with this.
I would agree that Mr.Scruton was a fine scholar,writer, but very hard to Listen to, in. A kind of disjointed manner that is tiring to listen to.
i like classical music....however some of it is extraordinarily irritating and shallow and hypercomplexified for no apparent reason.
i thank God that i was not destined to be a violinist or a piano player of some skill, as anything over about 10 minutes becomes worse than having a tooth pulled....unless Jascha Heifetz is playing......but he wasn't really a musician, he was a soldier of the strings armored in a natural discipline that by analogy approximately emulated Alexander the Great.
The topic is interesting, but it is most unfortunate to the listener to hear Scruton deliver his
oration in a poor manner, riven with disordered speech fluency, stammering and excessive use of filled pauses, (um , ah, er, etc) which severely limit the received listening effect. Almost every sentence he utters is flawed in this manner and it leaves one with the feeling that the material has not been adequately developed prior to delivery. The other performative error is that he is consistently looking at notes. A very bad look in a lecturer and guaranteed to turn the audience off. This chap should write only, never lecture.........3 out of 10
He’s often like this with his public speeches, he’s less awkward than he was in the 90’s, but I must say, many of the points he mentions in general, I struggle to disagree with.
Classic diffident English delivery.....plus he was not to live much longer...
Classic diffident English delivery.....plus he was not to live much longer...