Will Natalie Elphicke's defection break the Labour Party? | Podcast clip
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- čas přidán 11. 05. 2024
- On the podcast this week we reacted to the breaking news that Keir Starmer welcomed former Tory right-winger Natalie Elphicke into the Labour party after defecting from Rishi Sunak's party, and how poor a judgement it may turn out to be.
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There is room in Labour Party for everyone, except the left-wing. That's Starmer's Labour now: Tory lite.
there's nothing "lite" about them. David Lammy calls himself a small c conservative. they're just Tories
Not even soft left now.
It's a centre right party for the rich.
It's controlled by the likes of Mandelson and Blair.
@@AjalemesHe now calls Trump misunderstood.
It didn't work with Corbyn in 2019. The most logical thing to do is to move back to the centre-left. That's how you get the majority of public support. If you're in opposition, you get nothing done and more tory chaos.
She should just resign and make a bi election for a new Mp. Surely all the people who voted for her feel pertrayed. OR they should replace her with another tory.
Blair Starmer, Thatcher’s legacy continues.
Let her in for one good headline then be forced to own any stupid sh*t she might say for the next 6+ months. Not sure i'd take that trade tbh.
She has already said she is standing down at the election.
The very fact that Elphicke would be comfortable in Keir Starmer’s Labour is proof positive that Labour has become Tory!
That's not really how the majority see it though, is it?
They see it as yet another wheel falling off the Tory waggon. It's not as if she is standing in the election, is it?
She should just resign and make a bi election for a new Mp. Surely all the people who voted for her feel pertrayed. OR they should replace her with another tory.
The fact that Starmer has brought the far right wing of the Torys into the main centre left opposition party in the UK is frankly bizarre. If that is his politics wouldn't it make more sense for him to move to the Torys? Maybe if people took politics seriously and made distinctions between good and bad politicians of both sides we wouldn't be in this totally undemocratic situation
they need to start wearing purple ties
@@OxidusMagicus good one. That will shit him right up
I'm a centre left voter, well lifelong Labour voter but the only distinguishable thing between the parties was their treatment of immigrants. The demonisation of vulnerable people by both parties is intolerable for me now
He's not moving toward them, he's always been them. He's a fraud.
He scrapped his Leadership pledges before the ink was even dry !
Starmer's Labour = Cameron's Tories in 2010. If you're okay with that then vote for them.
What terrifies me is that people still think politics is a thing in the post truth era. Ridiculous, sad and ignorant.
As Reeves said, if you don't want more Tory policy from Labour then you can exercise that option at the ballot box. Vote Green. 👍
Do that by all means but don't complain if the Tories aneak back in.
@@TootlinGeoff we won’t, cause Labour at the Tories now so voting Labour also gets the Tories in.
It's sad that FPTP has made supporters of the main parties so entitled. They think the party can move wherever they like and they can tell people to just leave if they don't like it, knowing full well that it's not a viable option under the system. It's like a boss telling an employee that if they don't like the terrible working conditions that they can just quit, in a country without welfare.
@@jonsmith5058 🤣🤣 You may not be happy at the way Labour are going but they are NOT Tories.
@@TootlinGeoff they literally have a nasty right winger Tory in their ranks and forbid left wingers from joining. How are they not the Tories?
Elphicke is ERG, the lowest of the low of Brexiteers, Starmer has lost his mind standing shoulder to shoulder with the ERG.
It would have made more sense if she’d gone to Britain First. Tells you everything you need to know about ‘Labour’
Elphicke has her uses, notably the immigration issue. She has undermined the opponents of the Labour party on this issue.
For the last several years I've been biting back at people giving 'both sides' about Labour vs Tories.
I feel like such a fool.
Better late than never. But we need to all join in denouncing Starmer.
Him winning cause of the Tories losing is the last thing we need as it will kill any chance of left wing progressiveness for at least a decade.
We let them lie and smear Corbyn, and then lie and cover for Starmer. Its all to make both parties right wing and rob us of choice.
At least you've come across eventually. There are still people who continue to argue that this is all some 10D chess strategy and we're going to get New Labour policy once they take power, even though it's on record that many of the New Labour guides openly despise what little good they did do, despite almost all of which was immediately dismantled when the Tories retook power.
The question is, how do we break this mindrot in others that encourages them to continue voting for more of the same just because the Tories they're voting for today call themselves Labour.
Well the thing is its not "both sides" when both parties are thr same side-
He's definitely trying to build a more right leaning labour party, which isn't what the labour party should be about!!!
This was like Corbyn defecting to the Tories and Sunak shaking his hand grinning like a goon
The establishment uniparty
Nailed it.
Labour should not have taken this Tory in 🤬
I used to think Starmer was "Tory Lite" now it seems he's "Tory Right"
He adopted the far right Tory Brexit.
Clutching at straws Mr Starmer.
Who does the normal, decent, none hating person vote for now?
George Galloway's worker party?I seriously don't know?I usually vote for Scottish Labour who are a little bit more tedious than what uk Labour has become. I find all parties have become big as idiots as each other nowadays. Maybe time for the independent candidates has to come to provide cooperation and unity?voting seems a lost cause now more than ever.
@@garethbruce6475 there you go calling politicians idiots. You're the idiot for talking like that. Gove isn't an idiot. Rayner isn't an idiot. Talk seriously about politics or shut up. This is serious
We have two perfectly serviceable liberal democratic parties but they both are offering unacceptably inhumane immigration policies. That's our fault. Members of both parties need to sort their houses out. Wacko policies belong in wako parties not the two great parties of this country
We have two perfectly serviceable liberal democratic parties. The problem is most normal, decent none hating people don't use Twitter so their voices are not being heard
@@seanoconnor8843 I''m pretty sure the Liberal Democrats are not the solution either. They've always been what Labour has become today, as seen by their rubber stamping all Osbourne's austerity project back in 2010 -- and sorry, nothing has changed in all those years. So it's not really a surprise that the initial moves of this Labour a couple of years back were talking about staretegic voting to put Lib Dems in power, because they're ideologically aligned.
Dunno what the second option is, if it's Greens then yes, I wish more people would vote for them. Whether they'd be any different, I wouldn't want to bet on, but at least they're actually selling something different, which is what so many claim they want as they continue to advocate voting Cameron's Labour into power at all cost.
These people are still gonna tell you to vote Labour in the general.
Just shows there is no difference between Labour and the Tories.
Finger prints actually regrow to the same skin patern after damage. It's pretty cool
No. Because although it’s caused a bit of backlash. It’s caused the Tories to fall apart even more
I've seen other observers come up with the following to soften this over;
- She is standing down, so ultimately she wont be a Labour MP for very long. (Come on Sunak, call it already, it wont get any better the longer you wait)
- She is only getting a seat in a place where her views have always been more aligned with Labour than the Tories. So whatever other views she has will not be Labour policy.
- This is a strategic move. They could have told her to bugger off and become an independent, or double the MP's Reform has, which either means nothing or makes things even worse. But they've held their noses and welcomed her onboard in an effort to showcase a future Labour government is for (almost) everyone, not just the left. And with her in particular, they can basically say the Tories are actually more UKIP than the Conservative party from not that many years ago.
With that said, they shouldn't accept another like her, they've made their point with this, no need for a repeat.
Elphicke stayed put.
His worst move yet. God I wish I could make all these bad moves that kept me ahead of my closest competition by at least 20% for over 2 years at a time.
Politics has become like America in uk you can vote for a right wing party or a slightly less right wing party
She's just paraphrasing Starmer and clarifying his true meaning. What he meant to say in that cringing quote was: Labour has changed, Tories can trust them now.
In the handshake photo with Starmer, is it me, or does Elphicke 100% remind you of a British Airways flight attendant circa 1985?
As someone who voted green at the local elections i have consistently said that when it comes to a general elections im unsure who to vote for and decide depending on the parties manifesto and the local state or the parties within my constituency, but the more time goes on, the more I see labour as just tory and feel like i have no choice but to vote green (if anyone parrots vote reform or lib dem, they are just tories too)
One can only hope it will ruin labours chances and make people wake up qnd realise there's more than 2 parties.
The papers reporting yesterday that she was annoyed about not being made a minister (disgruntled ex- employee) - but I would be furious seeing nearly everyone of my colleagues having had at least 36 hours in cabinet. I was sent a presentation the other day and how many ministers have the DfE had in the last 14 years…you would have to think that you were in with a chance…
Actually shocked that labour are allowing neo-nazis in the party.
Who has she murdered?
@@NeonVisualYou’re ok with Nazis
It’s ok pal…..😂😂
Doesn't matter who you vote for the government always wins
My god, this is dreadful. I'd get better political insight from a table full of students at my local Wetherspoons. It'd certainly be less infantile.
Whats the issue Peter?
The jokes? Thats the point of this podcast and these guys, between the jokes, have better insight than for example the New Statesman podcast who waffle on about nothing and give the most charitable view possible to Starmer by bending over backwards so far to excuse him that their heads are up their bums.
Because obviously a 7 yr old can’t swim???
Starmer is getting my vote no matter what.
Then you are a rape apologist
How do people legally apply for asylum???
be Ukrainian or from Hong Kong. any other asylum application is "illegal"
You can't. The Tories have made every route illegal.
If the wars were to end there would be little need for asylum, but labour cant even get on the right side of that either.
@@OxidusMagicus we don't know that yet.
@@TootlinGeoff dont know what?
Labour need to start wearing purple ties
she is standing down at the general election anyway if it brings down the Tories it is fine with me
Well a 7 year old can swim, just not in the Channel after falling out of a boat. No one can really, not even an adult man, as it's not the lack of ability to swim that means you will drown, it's cold water shock. It was more than drilled in to us to wear lifejackets when around shell doors as, even in the Carribean, falling 6 inches in to water and going under the platform means you're likely going to drown from it without one on.
She should just resign and make a bi election for a new Mp. Surely all the people who voted for her feel pertrayed. OR they should replace her with another tory.
I'm just as concerned for the Conservative party as much as the Labour party. Both great parties are holding morally unacceptable policies. This is a national crisis
I have to say that the political culture in the country is to blame. Rationally, both parties are virtually identical yet politicians and media slag off the other like they were complete opposites. The lack of intelligent political discourse is the cause. Democracy is over
this is just symbolic of how broken the political system is in this country.
there is no focus, just focus groups, no direction, except the direction the flip flops point, no integrity, just personal gain.
If you have a policy I don't agree with but you stick to it, I won't like your policy but I will respect your commitment to it.
i have zero respect for these people that jump ship and back stab just for their own personal goals.
Starmer should have told her 'yeah, thanks but no thanks.' - his moral dipstick is only one notch above hers.
When Starmer destroys the Tories then runs a fair and honest country for 10 years you’ll still be upset.
Simony! (If we go with the Vatican metaphor)
Starmer has only done to make his speech about Labour now being the true conservatives correct.
hahahahaha starmer changes his mind every 5 mins hahahahahah
Tories for Anglesey!
Find someone who looks at you the way that Starmer looks at apologists for sexual assault.
Are victims safe in Starmer's Britain?
Who even is Natalie Elphicke?
Just proves that Labour is the New Conservative Party. Socialism has died in Labour.
I would leave immigration in the hands of employers only
Eh? That is the core problem with immigration. Employers love it, because it gives a steady supply of low wage precarious workers they can exploit, which in turn is why so many average people get pissed off with it, which the right in turn exploits to keep the rage focused on them and not the oligarchs who are actually responsible for the problem.
This is why it's always funny seeing people go on about immigration. The Tories actually love it. And it's no different in America. Who had Trump for years talking about how terrible Mexican immigration is, as his businesses are jammed to the gills with Mexican migrants working for peanuts under the threat of deportation if they complain. This is the game, and it still surprises me in the information age that there are still those on the internet out there who don't understand this.
@@davidbates3057 it means we can recruit from a larger pool of people. The economy can grow as required and as long as our politicians build enough homes, schools and hospitals the country will be great. Also, probably more important, we may need to recruit a large army very soon. We need people. Lots of them.
Awful from every angle,
Worst move yet was the lbc Interview imo
Shouldn’t have been let in end off.
She said she's standing down, I think I've just realise that most people who share my politics don't read past the headline. What is wrong with you people? This is shy we've lost for 14 years in a row... READ MORE THAN THE HEADLINES!!!
England.... please start listening to your cousin's North of the border 🙏
We've been telling you for years that labour are just red Tory's 😥....now you are getting to witness it in real time 😭
Most of what starmer criticizes is just how the current conservatives are not doing it GOOD enough not change or straight fixes its because they're just conservative...
"this shows that he's moving towards *them*"
This is the exact division that Starmer wishes to do away with...
Like it or not, people have different beliefs and people on the left are not going to be fond of their party shifting away from their values. They probably need to vote for them to get the Tories out due to tactical voting so why would they be OK with the party they support rejecting the values they thought they had?
You can't cure division by telling people to stop believing what they believe just to make politics easier.
Joe Politics just moaning that Corbyne isnt in charge 🙄🥱
Seems like you guys like having the tories in charge.
Part of me is happy because it adds to the Tory chaos. Part of me is disturbed because, if we welcome someone holds such extreme views and has long been critical of Labour (as recently as a couple of weeks ago), then where is the line? Would we accept Farage? Patel? Braverman? All of whom hold more or less the same views as this woman. Moreover, can the suspensions of members and MPs like Diane Abbot really be justified, if the party is happy to take others who have objectively made much worse comments?
I think Labour thought this action would only mean the former to people, assumedly because they've attacked the left for so long they thought they wouldn't speak out any louder than before. But turns out many people still see Labour as a left wing party that stand for anything better than the Tories and bringing Elphicke in threw a wrench into that idea.
Extreme views, momentum and Corbyn weren't???? One organisation threatened labour MPs who had a brain and the other promoted anti semitism and holocaust deniers not to mention aided in Brexit by being against the eu...
No. Keep your eyes on the prize.
Tories with a red rosette are still Tories.
The prize is new policy, not just a new team of establishment conservatives.
Is the prize to make both parties the same and rob us of choice? Cause thats an awful prize and what has happened.
Why vote Labour when you get Tory mindsets in charge?
No.
I simply cannot offer support to any Party she feels comfortable in. And, while we debate it, the establishment remove political choice.
Totally correct. They have demonised the Torys to such an extent that they think we'll all shuffle into the polling stations and rubber stamp this complete national movement to the far right. Removing at the last minute the only viable alternative. This is a disaster for Britain.
They have always been accepting of floaters. They call it a broad church, but its sometimes seen as a sewer.
Regardless of what you think of both immigration and also refugees, most of us can hopefully agree that the small boats are a bad thing? Why does someone need to be centre right to think that?
you dont , i can agree with you on how small boats are wrong ,
i would rather that folk could just have normal safe routes like i would expect if i was to go to there countries , i blame the govt for this , they made folk illegal ,they closed all safe routes , they forced folk legally wanting to apply for asylum to take small boats
@@tomfinney3416 I agree with you. I was just querying Oli's suggestion that Labour have moved to the right, based on them saying that they'll deal with the small boats problem. (Clever move I thought if Starmer's said to her "You don't like small boats? Neither do we, and we're planning to actually stop them."
The existence of the small boats is a bad thing - people die on them. But the Tory government created the 'boat crisis' themselves, deliberately, under the advisement of the same people who advised the Australian government to do the same in 2013. When the Aussie govt. did it, it was explicitly because they knew they'd lose the next election without a major issue - so they created an issue by closing legal routes, then refused to solve it, claiming it wasn't possible until after the election. Once the election was over, after campaigning with the slogan 'Stop The Boats', they suspended various sections of human rights protections and began expensive naval operations to 'turn back' the boats.
They also... ummm... reopened a load of migration centers, to allow people to migrate legally again. But shhh... boats bad! Smugglers bad! And most importantly, foreigners, bad!
Talking about the boats in a moral context, disassociated from the actions of the government, means you're supporting the Tories' narrative - whether you intend to or not.
I dont think anyone disagrees that small are bad, but be real, Starmers rhetoric is to go along Tory mindsets that its the refugees that are bad and that needs to be stopped and not the method which they come here.
If he did he’d give the simple answer. We provide a safe route. Do that an illegal crossings will stop.
He wont and doesnt cause he wants to pander to xenophobe voters.
The way to stop the small boats is to make them unnecessary. However, Starmer has to 'talk tough' to keep the Tory client media off his back.
Lost my vote
I am debating how much I detest the Tories against whether Labour will be any different.
I think Labour broke Labour...
If you think this broke Labour you havent been paying attention. This is just the most obvious and blatent example of Starmer breaking Labour.
He’s been clear for years, he doesnt want to represent any left wing ideals or have that in ‘his’ party and only cares about attracting right wingers.
The saddest part is, i will still vote labour. It feels wrong, but i cant risk another conservative win. They have to be definitively stamped out, with no chance of a coalition
There is no risk. There’s only a risk of starmer winning by such a large margin there’s no cost to him at all for him going so far right.
@ozieikram2511 people thought the same of Clinton in the USA in 2016
@ozieikram2511 also, you seem to forget that things happen between the 5 year elections. Politics doesn't stop for 5 years. Local elections, protests, activism and popularity all have influence
@ozieikram2511 for me, this election is about fundamentally breaking the tories
@@joe94cClinton wasn’t against the current government who had completely imploded. Plus the polls had her definitely winning but not by a landslide.
I'd prefer that Labour had refused to take Natalie Elphicke, but I understand why Labour took her - it's embarrassing to the Tories to lose one of their own, and any criticisms of Sunak from her will sting.
Break the Labour Party? Far from it, it's a net win for Labour.
It demonstrates that Labour has no principles, no consistency, no integrity and no values. They only have a hunger for power.
Not a very attractive prospect.
A lot of people knew this already but this will reveal it off many more.
Good I say.
More votes for parties that actually believe in change.
@Gary-le7dz
18 seconds ago
Labour 30 point poll lead this week you gov , the third highest swing from Tory’s to labour in a by election , Tory’s suffering record local
Election losses and 2 Tory mp s defecting … most people are not you tube obsessed political junkies ,
The people objecting to this are not politically backward-unlike the uneducated masses
If I was to be charitable I would suggest that Elphicke's admission was about selling Labour's immigration policy to the people of Dover and right winger's in general. But I really think it was more about Labour simultaneously trolling both the Tories and the left of their own party. Well, message received loud and clear Mr Starmer - vote lost.
Are you an adult? Serious question... You really think the strategy is to 'troll'??? Are you even old enough to vote?
@@SamOliverYT I have for Labour, in the past. So tell me, what practical purpose did admitting Elphicke serve other than to humiliate the Tories and stick two fingers up at left leaning Labour voters like me?
Can you answer that?
@@SamOliverYT so what practical purpose did it serve?
@@SamOliverYTif you vote for red Tories, you will get more Tory rule. Worse, you will get a party that continues to ruin the country under the banner of a "centre left progressive party" which will mean that come the election after next, people will move even further right in desperation.
See the US for how this works.
If we end up with 2 authoritarian centrally controlled centre right parties we are doomed to "lesser of 2 evils" voting forever, and that ends up will literal fascism and genocide.
The Tories are dead.
Vote for what you believe in.
Don't give Labour your vote. Once you do, they are done with you. They will not have to care a damn what you think.
It’s for the wider public who are not that engaged with the background of any given MP. It’s to destabilise the Tories. It’s to try and force more Tories to leave their party and the rest to call a vote of no confidence. Elphicke isn’t contesting Dover at the next GE, she won’t be in for long so even though she is awful, if she sticks to that promise and more pressure is put on Sunak to call a GE that’s fine with me. There are already some pretty appalling people in the Labour Party, one more won’t hurt too much for a bit.
I don’t agree with your analysis. There is is no disagreement from me that Elphicke has expressed views that are horrendous and should not fit with a Labour Party moving forward. However she is not standing at the next election, and her experience on housing is useful. She will have no impact on other policy whatsoever. Added to the pressure that her defection causes Conservatives on balance it’s a good move as long as it doesn’t cause a backlash and loads of people then are turned off Labour for reasons that don’t stack up.
I agree that it seems ridiculous that Jamie Driscoll is not included in this Labour Party. However I don’t agree with your claims about how Elphicke’s inclusion is likely to impact the Party’s values.
To me that’s sloppy journalism that is likely to turn people off Labour and help the Tories protect themselves from the drubbing that is possible if all of us get behind tactical voting fully and make this appalling party powerless for the foreseeable future.
Elphicke’s defection can be a useful tactic that can assist us in that. You do us no favours if you turn it into a stick to beat Labour’s back with through promoting a lazy narrative.
Sir Stairclimber just wanted the limelight for a day and used Elphicke for that purpose only. He should now throw her out of the Labour party because of her idiotic utterances. Not even a Tory reject should be eligible to become a Labout Party member, let alone an MP.
Im still voting Labour 🌹
Why…?
How much blatent disrespect does Starmer need to give you?
Wow, you're really that blind to still vote Labour.
I find this outrage rather odd. it was generally seen that a defection is always a good thing, when moving from the sitting government to the op. The "outrage" some feel, is just the expression of Student Union level politics.
What if Sunak calls an election and then immediately Elphike does an Anderson and goes to Reform shouting she now thinks that Labour policies won't work. That could be a big problem for Labour.
I don't know WHAT to say.... I don't want to see Syrian refugees machine gunned by the army in the Channel. Neither do I want to see any more occupying dozens - hundreds - of scruffy rooms in sad B&Bs in ugly, desolate seaside towns...
then you want the home office to process claims, and safe and legal routes to be opened up. it's a problem because the Tories have systematically made it a problem.
@@Ajalemesalso remember it used to be perfectly normal for asylum seekers to work and support themselves.
David blunkett put an end to that to please Rupert Murdoch.
I am not voting Labour until Kier Starmer resigns, I will vote independent instead.
Rishi Sunak thanks you
So you prefer the Tories then.
That's how UK general election First Past the Post works.
For Westminster elections it is a two party race. End of.
I take it you want five more years of corruption, collapsing buildings, failed public services etc.
Me too but I'm voting green
Vote Green.
Their policies are awesome.
@@SamOliverYTthe Tories on 18%! Sunak is as likely as to fly to the moon as he is to get close to winning the next election.
If Labour can't win people's votes because they deliberately alienate the electorate then that is their fault. Not the fault of voters.
Starmer should change the party name
Remember when everyone joked that Starmer was a tory. The best place to hide is in plain sight?. The man looks tory, sounds tory, is offering nothing different to the tories and now his actually recruiting tories
In your opinion. Enough said.
Starmer's 2 leadership pledges:
1-unite the party
2-Make Labour electable
2/2 - not bad 👍
"Unite the party" yeah, go ask Diane Abbot how well that's working out.
Everyone is electable in opposition to the current Tory party. Which makes Kid Starvers strategy of becoming the Tory party rather odd...
Are you simple?
"1-unite the party"
Starmer has expelled more members than any other leader in uk history!
"2-Make Labour electable"
They're talking about the labour party adopting Tory policies and welcoming defected Tories into the labour party, Essentially becoming the Tory party themselves...
I don't know if you've noticed, Over the last 14 years the tory party has destroyed this country and voters are voting them out on mass!
Emulating the Tories to "Make Labour electable" would be like, emulating Rolph Harris to improve your kindergarten!
One more thing... "In your opinion. Enough said."
If you don't respect their opinion, Why are you here? Maybe to impart Some cold hard facts... No... Starmer has made many pledges and broken all of them!
So clearly it's just to tell us "your opinion. Enough said."!
We need a new progressive party in this country so I hope the Unions that matter and MP’s switch allegiances as soon as possible.
It’s no wonder noone gets Starmer. At the very moment Labour are riding high he makes a senseless decision like this. Sawing off the very branch he is sat on.
Anyone from Politics Joe care to say how many Immigrants we can reasonably take.
Currently 7million, do you want 80 million?
The Tories have deduced that we need 700k per annum to keep the economy moving. English people need to stop getting old / stop refusing to do shit work with shit conditions
Net migration in 2023 was 672,000 people. Your numbers are off by a quantum factor.
Do you care to say how many children we can have? Shall we start a child policy like China?
Or fence the Island off like V for Vendetta as the countries break apart because of wars we fight, refusing to help the victims we created?
Funny how I bet you only want to restrict the non whites foreigners and wouldnt impose a population cap to deal with overpopulation.
So you use the slippery slope fallacy to try and make your point. Only it doesn't; by quoting a ridiculous extreme quantity as if it were realistic just shows you have no realistic criticism
Don't worry, lots of Brits are emigrating to the EU, so there'll be plenty of room left for all the Africans and also the Indians that Sunak is going to allow under his deal with Modi, and it WILL be Modi despite the 'election'.
Labour and conservative parties are more aligned than not, so it doesn't make a difference to british politics who wins between them. This is evidenced, for example, by how the Israel lobby has pernicious influence/hold over both conservative and labour parties as reported in the following videos by 'declassified UK':
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Nah it won't. I feel like it's a bit sketchy but outside of those of use who actually follow politics ie. The majority of the electorate ,it probably looks like a power move. We can all be Owen Joneses later. For now we need Tories out and a competent cabinet.
Thank you politics Joe time to unsubscribe you are happies with labour unelectable and not capable of implementing anything. Sneering commentary is such a turn off particularly because there is no evidence that you understand the issues that need fixing
I don't understand why you guys in the media have bought into the most obvious Conservative spin on this.
Elphicke is already an MP... She was either in parliament taking the Conservative whip or in parliament taking the Labour whip. Her defection is a swing of 2 in Labour's favour and every story should have been how this is a positive for Labour but you've all latched on to the Conservative spin (which they were lining up to feed you).
If she were running in the next election, this kind of story would make total sense and everyone should be outraged but she's not, which means the only downside for Labour is you guys being thick as mince.
You are thick for not realizing, a headline like that is NOT worth the cost of showing that Starmer only cares about seats, not principles.
If a nasty, hateful person who you fundamentally disagree with wanted to join your party, and you let them, you end up legitimizing their views and showing you see them as tolerable.
Starmer did not need to do this. It does sod all to the Tories, no more damage than her defecting to Reform. It wont attract more Tory voters and just pushes Labour voters further away.
Its a lose lose lose for a headline. Starmer just proves he’s a snake. Thats not a win.
@@jonsmith5058 No. It does not legitimise her views, in fact, she's had to come out against some of her previous statements. Everything you just said would ONLY make sense if Starmer was announcing her as the candidate for Labour at the next election but he isn't. This is a short term gain for Labour, then she'll be gone.
In the run up to the election there will be votes in parliament that are close (there always are, because the Conservatives will abandon the whip knowing Rishi isn't going to be in power) and those votes in Parliament just swung 2 points in Labours direction away from the Conservatives. If you don't think that matters, you haven't been following politics close enough.
Also, why the hell would we want her joining Reform? Giving them an MP for Richard Tice to brag about? How would letting his party of disgrace grow be a good thing?