Sony A9III - What Sony ISN'T telling us.
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- čas přidán 11. 11. 2023
- 16 Stops Episode #17 We talk about the New Sony A9 III release, who this camera is for, why the new technology is so exciting, what this means for future videos cameras, stills cameras, Sony and the industry in general.
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What are your thoughts on the A9III? Is it hype? Is it a revolutionary camera that's going to change the landscape of photography and cameras going forward? Let's hear your thoughts.
Also, the Canon C700FFPL that came out in 2016 had a Global Shutter. Sony's claim to be the "First" does have some caveats.
Features that end up in luxury products today end up in economy models later. I recall when only the tippy top cars had dynamic cruise control and airbags and mood lighting (jfc). Now the cheapest car in America has all three. In much the same way, this sensor will probably become economical and Sony's partners will want a slice of the wafer too.
Add to that, I feel like a marketing push will latch onto Global Shutter the same way it latched onto Mirrorless versus DSLR. Or Apple Silicon. Normies will now suddenly see rolling shutter everywhere and hate it because Japan told them to.
It might change the landscape of photography but global shutter definitely doesn’t change landscape photography!
@@16StopsSony is Claiming Worlds 1st Global Shutter in a Photo/Hybrid Camera. The Canon C700 is a Cinema Camera they are in different Worlds dude
@@16Stopsthe C700 had 2 different models, the FF model had a rolling shutter and the GS PL model was a Super 35 Global Shutter Sensor. Sony had a global sensor in the F55 over 10 years ago. I believe the A9 iii is indeed the first to be both Full Frame and Global Shutter.
Chapters guys! you need chapters so I can flick through subjects i'm interested in.
I find it interesting how months removed from the announcement and launch of the ZV-E1. So many creators shat on it non stop. Months later I’ve been slowly seeing a lot of them get it and even praise it
FX3 image for much less plus insane autofocus? For the vlogging/travel stuff seems like it would be a no brainer. Although I have tried it once before and didn’t enjoy it.
49:00 Sony semiconducter is separate from their photography division. There is no reason Sony would not sell this sensor to other companies. Sony is literally in the business of selling sensors. If Sony didnt sell snesors to other companies then other companies would be forced to give business to someone else going forward.
This is common practice. For example LG/Samsung make OLED panels and they sell the latest and greatest OLED panels to Sony but all three companies make OLED TVs and compete with each other.
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The A9iii reminds me of what the old Canon 1dmkii was to sports photography back at the time it was dominant. It will probably switch a lot of professional sports shooters to Sony and especially not being too far out from the next Olympics, and when you pair that with the 300mm out of the gate its for sure a big deal
It’s gonna be a killer combo
Lol, you fell for the hype. I saw people saying if the legs of the athletes were going to be bent in the Sony demos. I mean did we ever seen bent legs in sport photography and the ISo range and ... the amounts of lights tells you Iso and Dr are going to be lower. Iso in sport is much more important.
@@danielvilliers612 Shooting sports is by far the hardest thing to do in photography so I’d imagine they are making this camera right. It’s not even out yet… how does someone fall for the hype for something not even out? I’m sure the R3 is the market segment they are targeting so we’ll see how it does for them. Have you ever shot real sports? Not just kids soccer either, like real big boy grown up sports and events? You would be interested if you ever had. Who knows what the future holds with the A9 III.
You guys are awesome. I am an amature photographer on an a6600. There is a feature for increasing dynamic range by bracketing shots; you increase range by taking multiple shots with different exposure compensations...
I bet the A9III could use a similar type of thing to increase dynamic range in non-sport type shooting genres. Especially if you can get the entire bracket in less than 2 or 3 hundredth of a second.
Great point.
They announced it so you won't switch system when new cameras from other brands comes out and just wait till March, but might launch new camera around that time so you want to upgrade.
34:00 they probably went for the front button because a lot of people in sports industry prefer to back button focus instead of half press, so it makes sense. but since it's sony i'm sure you can reprogram burst mode on any other custom button
Yeah you’re probably right on that.
Personally, I would probably program the button on the lens to shoot at 60fps. I don't want to kill my hard drive with 120fps.
Hey guys, loved the show once again!
Regarding the grip sharing the same batteries as the camera body, I think it's more versatile. It’s convenient because it doesn't force users to buy additional, different types of batteries, especially since many don't use the grip all the time.
As for the global shutter, I believe it's a great technological achievement. However, I wouldn't call it the next big thing in photography. It won't visibly change photography but will make some aspects easier.
When it comes to using strobes, this advancement doesn't offer anything new for studio work. It might make working on location a bit easier though, as you won’t need as powerful lamps to get strong enough light.
In my opinion, photography reached its last significant revolution with the mirrorless bodies of the 2020 era, which brought amazing AF capabilities and stack backlit sensor technologies that offered better high iSO and higher DR. Any new developments now are likely to make only small changes and won't significantly expand creative possibilities.
Once again,great show!
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Getting photo clients but nothing for video. I really will pull all the stops for my first paid project. Can't wait!
You got this!
The good thing for Sony is they have a few months to refine the a9iii before the actual release.
Yeah I’m super interested to see what changes they make.
Still wrapping my head around the flash sync at at any shutter speed. But I don't think it will be the "free lunch" I initially thought. Some compromise will happen when shooting at 1/8000 f1.4 during peak daylight. For sure the flash duration at best will be less than 1/8000th, so at say at 1/16000 flash duration, well, that is the 7 stop reduction. Plus syncing electronically at that high shutter speed, the vast majority of the old school strobes will not be able to do.
Great discussion fellas. I think the Sony A9iii is a great release. But I may be in the minority camp that doesn't thinks this camera is game changing. Mainly because of the price and the small niche that it is meant to serve. Which is crazy to me how Sony chooses to market their cameras. Because I've been hearing more about this camera from influencers than actual working Pro sports and wildlife shooters. I also don't see this tech trickling down anytime soon or the price coming down. This is flagship sports/wildlife tech and it will stay that way for a while.
Not going to lie its a hard market to choose a camera in right now. I sold off my A7iii early covid when work slowed down but have been wanting to get a mid range camera for more professional video work and my channel. I also like to have the option for photography as that was my main work. You guys have any recommendations for camera that would be worth owning for a while? Im worried about sony dumping another camera on my head so Im a little afraid of getting into an A7siii haha. Any help or thoughts would be appreciated! I dont currently own any glass so im open to opinions
What do you need from your camera? What’s the top 5 priorities
Id like to be able to shoot video and photo. I do some lower light shooting for both video and photo but also daytime of both. Usually sports or car related. Im looking for a solid hybrid so I can try for freelance work as well as grow my channel. I feel like an a7siii would be a good contender but not sure how that holds up since its getting fairly dated. Thanks@@16Stops
… men, what a great camera, perfect in all kinds of photography for me as journalist. 🤯 The IQ of the stills and videos looks great, no complaints about the base ISO 250/2000. 👍🏻
Good to hear
This is the first I heard about the Canon app. I have 2 C70's. I am PUMPED about that. I solo shoot all the time using 2 cameras. I have an R5c too but that camera is never on a tripod. So the app not working with it is not a big deal yet.
I ordered the 24-105 F2.8. Par Focal got me. Smokin!! I wonder if that app would work with the zoom on the 24-105? Prolly not but that would be unbelievable. What camera is Brandon shooting on with this talking head? I shoot something for Bas Rutten MMA legend. My focus was doing the same thing yours is. It was making me nuts. I switched my AF speed and Response back to zero. Bas is very animated. He moves around while talking a lot. The last show I just shot was the best (missing intro) with the focus. Thank GOD.
Great work guys. Love this show from you guys.
BTW. I'm positive Canon will have internal NDs on the better mirrorless. And a box style camera that will be a show stopper.
Yeah it makes no freakin sense. My KX it looked super weird though. New lighting setup should have been done more than 5 min before starting - and face detect struggles in my office
Well the image is smokin if that's any consolation? :D. When I pointed out the focus issues on my shots to Bas he said he didn't even notice but now he can't not notice. Ha. Yeah low light is rough. But your set up looked plenty lit? KX is tempting. @@16Stops
I am pretty sure the only cameras sony doesnt put an AA filter is the R series cameras.
The vast majority of users would never need a global shutter. If you are a working sports or event photographer, the A9iii is a dream machine. But for everyone else, it’s overkill. That $6k would be better spent on a few travel workshops or masterclasses.
Yes for the VAST majority, spend that 6k elsewhere
Does it really need to be said though? No one needs any of the stuff in these modern cameras to produce good pictures. But it's nice to have choices. Buy what you can afford and enjoy.
@@tchlin Yeah it needs to be said because there are so many people getting stoked by the hype who will never need global shutter technology for anything they realistically do. Sony wants that, but if saying out loud "NEXT TO NOBODY CAN EFFECTIVELY UTILIZE THIS TECHNOLOGY" saves even one person from falling for Sony's marketing hype, that's time well spent.
Yes unfortunately it does. Lots of people buy these cameras because influencers tell them to and then they’re upset cause it’s not what they want.
@@16StopsExactly! Well said.
This sensor would be perfect in Red Komodo FF
I would rather Canon get the R1 readout speed into 3.x ms range and give me a big jump in dynamic range and improve autofocus (not that its really needed, but ill take it). Plus bigger buffers and a little bit higher frame rates for photos.
Looks like you may be getting that
Whilst it’s true the global shutter is only going to be a benefit to a few photographers it does a lot more for the people buying into Sony knowing that their investment has a future. I invested into Canon EF lenses only for it to be discontinued. Yes I can still use them but psychologically it does annoy you.
Why 259 ISO base? Easy, to be able to use the 1/80000 ISO. We all have SD laying around so having both is great when you are in a pinch. The camera is do in march so it is still beta, that is why the dynamic range in not filnal?
But it is also just a camera that is faster and better in every respect than the previous one. But 120 frames per second means that you invest a lot of time in post-production and you need a sensible work process. But I'm not a professional and it's difficult for me to assess the advantage. But this camera is very good to revive the competition.
I think I missed that G2 for $1600 sale Josh is talking about...when was that??
Still $1,600 at B&H.
Yeah still available at BH
Game changer for the Strobist/flash movement. Goodbye sync speed. Let's hope others follow suit.
Pretty exciting
Interesting conversation. Regarding the Sony media cards, CFX-A cards in practice are REALLY fast, as anyone who has seen an A1 buffer clear can attest, I'm sure. Beyond that, as someone who has had pretty much every type of card out there, I can see why, even for NON-cost reasons the CFX-A is preferable to CFX-B. It's smaller, seems to be at least as robust, is fast enough, and importantly for these small cameras doesn't generate nearly as much heat. As Brandon pointed out, a deeper buffer is the better way to skin that cat anyway.
And they already had it. Which was probably easy for them or at least easier than other options.
There are affordable third party TOPSSD CFE-A cards for almost two years now, and I have been using them a lot. Cost is not a big issue to me.
Sony should make a9 sport with integrated grip, a9s.
They really want you to spend the money on the overpriced one...
@@16Stops this camera that I will never afford, but that does not mean such a camera from Sony,with an integrated group should not exist.
Sorry has not let any other camera company to have access to the 61 megapixel backside sensor yet.
Pretty sure the Leica M11 has it.
@@16Stops you are correct Leica uses the same sensor in their M11.
Pretty sure MarkusPix made his own 2X4 LED light panel for less than $250. $1,000 is absolutely ridiculous.
Cool. I’m not that guy.
I’m pretty sure the A1 has the anti aliasing filter too
Josh here. The Sony A1 does not have an AA filter. Because of that and that it pixel bins in its 4K modes, it suffers from Moire. I know this from personal experience.
@@16Stops oh I see my bad I must have misread it somewhere. Thanks for the reply
23:30 What is an OPF?
OLPF = Optical Low Pass Filter
merci beaucoup! I looked it up. "The role of the optical low pass filter. In many D-SLRs an OLPF-also known as an anti-aliasing filter-prevents false color and moiré that can ruin a picture. The trade-off to using an OLPF is slight softening of the image." You are saying it is worth a bit of softening?@@16Stops
Lots of idiots just look at price over what a huge advance in tech this is. Nothing like this was ever made for flash photography. This will change many categories and allow photographers doing this to carry lighting that’s less powerful and smaller plus lighter
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The most impressive thing is 9 stop of image stabilization
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Don't mean to be rude but I never heard of you guys before and I saw the title and clicked on it and it took 22 minutes for you to get to the Fony A9iii. Maybe put in chapters into the video or a link in the description box and first pin comment so people can just jump tot he Fony A9iii part.
“Fony” - that’s freakin hilarious.
@@16Stops Sony fan boys hate it. I call Fuji shoots Fuji Fruitcakes and Godox fans are members of the Godox Communist Party. LOL
@@16Stops You can also call Sony users phonys like they are in a cult they hate that one too. LOL
I’m definitely apart of a few of those groups haha
i dont think this camera will give any advantage to any photographers except sport photographers. and there is something fishy for not letting anybody try the dynamic range or iso capability
Lots of people need flash, and want to avoid wonky LEDs so yes mostly sports but anybody that has to deal with those things (portrait, studio, concert…) will enjoy the benefits
Sony leads the way and has in innovation for over 10 years. To GUESS why Sony does what it does is silly, because If people mattered, they would be on the Sony team.Right now I am sure there are 30 or more videos complaining about the same issues ,like price.So it's ok to not have an issue buying a Nikon Z9, getting Hasselblad's, etc, but Sony and prices are the same redundant 'issues'.There's this same crybaby nonsense that starts up with ALL flagship cameras, and then the same overheating mythological issues. How are you having a conversation about overheating when there's no cameras being used by the public? You cannot review something that has not been tested in the field, so that's a waste of time.I'll wait until Sony makes it's usual 376 models like they did with the A Series and then get one.
Whoa my guy…it’s called speculation, and that speculation is based on what the previous cameras did with the same(ish) specs. We know cameras without fans do tend to overheat when downsampling - it’s ok to assume that will happen but at the same time hope that it doesn’t.
@@16Stops You can call it speculation , and the fact is, you presented no facts, just a 'version' of probability. That's NOt an intelligent stance to speak on something you have no facts about, and without any real numbers, it becomes guesswork. The hilarious part is, there have been at least 3-4 Sony models that we have heard the same mess about even before the camera gets into the hands of the people. It happened with the Sony A1 and then Gerald Undone,debunked that garbage. People have used the same speculation techniques to use stereotypes to place judgement on folks they do not 'like'. Here is an example of SCIENCE, which explains that MANY ILCs will get hot under certain condition, in direct sun, with no fans, with small bodies, not just one single brand.>>.."
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Interesting question, and I expect the posts re 1080p are true. I've not had an opportunity to do this with my ZV1 and RX100M7 yet, but I have done this with smaller Fuji bodies (X100 series, XE series) with a similar setup (ATEM Mini Pro ISO, ATEM Streaming Bridge, dummy batteries, no local record, external mics/mixer feeding ATEM so no on-cam mics). I recommend shading the cameras, as direct sunlight on black bodies will add heat. When I last did this with Fujis, my silver body was fine and the black body wasn't without shading and cool down periods where we intentionally shut it off and switched to the other camera on the ATEM so nobody was the wiser. That wasn't a hot day (upper 60s degF) but it was a clear, bright sunny day. Although the white body Sony cams aren't considered chic, they probably run much better in sunlight under load (am an engineer and white is the color we use for instrument enclosures in field data collection work b/c it doesn't heat up like dark colors). Post how it goes once you're done!">>>>>>>>
@@16Stops So it's ok to assume for you, because that's all you can produce, yet you failed to present the probability based on science for MANY brands. Something black in the sun, full of DSP, running in direct sun, or high temperatures, with plastic/metal, with no heat dissipation techniques gets hot. That is why Class A/AB power amps had heat sinks, larger surface area, fans, fuses, etc,etc, for the past 75+ years. That is why planes have blades kicking OUT heat from the engines, so yes , we 'assume' they will 'overheat' if they stop. That is why Canon cinema cameras have FANS , because without them, they might get hot. Panasonic has a recent ILC with great video specs and no overheating, and it has a fan...hmmmmmmmmmm
@@16Stops Oh and if 300 humans are running in the sun, doing a 5k, 10k, marathon, with no adequate heat dissipation, it's probably ok, to 'assume' there's at least 100 people who will have a heat emergency and not complete the race. That would be huge duhhhhh...
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My camera gets very hot, is this normal?
Do not expose the camera to direct sunlight.
Do not put it near a heat source.
Do not cover it.
Remove HDMI port cover while recording (Important!)
It is common for the camera to be warm to the touch. The camera’s body acts as a heat sink for the processor, allowing heat from the internal parts to escape from the camera.
When capturing video at high resolutions or high frame rates, the camera may become quite hot to the touch as it requires lots of processing power and large amounts of data being written to the SD card very quickly. You will also find that the SD card is hot too. Please remove the HDMI port cover while recoding in order to reduce the temperature inside the camera.
Your camera has been designed to identify conditions of overheating and shuts down when needed. It allows it to achieve high levels of performance, while maintaining good operating conditions for the internal components. Its operating temperature is in accordance with regulation IEC 60950-1 on the safety of information technology equipment.
If the camera gets too hot and needs to cool down, the camera emits a bip indicating that the camera is shutting down. Simply let it sit and cool before attempting to use it again.
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idiots? or photographers? this is a 6K dollar camera that is 24MP with higher ISO and worst dynamic range in comparison to the a1, Z8, Z9...i wont use the a9iii for wildlife, and i wont use it for portraits. Sony came out with this tech wayy too early. We arent idiots for stating facts.
These guys talk about a camera, but don't have a clue about it. Are not photographers, just bitching.
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Yeah I’ll be sending them many many messages