How To Connect an ACO CHANNEL To a 90 Degree 4inch Drainage , surface & rain Water Pipe!!
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- čas přidán 12. 12. 2020
- In this video I show you how to connect an Aco CHANNEL to a 90 degree 4inch surface & rain water pipe to take away any surface water from a pathway, driveway or any hard standing area.
I also show you a method of creating a stop end to an ACO CHANNEL using concrete edgings.
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Great video man, I've done quite a few acos myself but always good to see how others do it. I'm putting one in on my next project and might pinch your idea with those edgings, always learning... 🙌
Thanks very much Mike 👍
And thanks for stopping by the vid nice one mate 👍 yeah the double edgedings make a great job of it mate 💯 and hope yours turn out just as good as mine did I'm sure it will, proper job as they say I like your comment mate I'm going to pin it, and thanks once again 👊 take care mate 👊
The ACO looks great with edging either side, and the lube is a great idea, might get some for the missus
Yeah I do like the edgings front and back of the aco channel must admit gives it a great finish man 💯 thanks for watching mate nice one 👊 yeah the lube is great for pushing them pipes home lol 😀 it's just as good as a ferret down a rabbit hole 💯success 👍👍👊.
Recently subbed and will definitely take on board the way to complete the task highlighted, thank you for posting
Thanks very much for subscribing colin really appreciate that mate welcome on board 👍👍
Also I'm pleased the video can be a help to you on a future job thanks for the kind words and all the best mate 👍👍👊🏻.
@@creativecrambo Chuffed I found your channel actually but I have a question I have two soak away to install in the front of our property can you offer any guidance please at some point?
@@colinratford416
The size of a soakaway depends on the volume of water that's going into it ,this is determined by the size of your roof, a soakaway needs to be at least 5m away from the building and 2 and a half metres from a boundary, no waste such as sewage water should be going into the soakaway rainwater from your roof and surface water only, they do a soakaway calculator online, this gives you the right size you need to make your soakaway going off the volume of water going into your soakaway, if you're having an extension done then an architect who dose the drawings should work out what you need to have in place, yeah definitely do your homework before you do one plus if a groundwork team are doing it for you then they should have sound advice for you , do it properly and you won't have any problems later on 👍👍👊🏻.
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Many thanks for posting this, it will be very useful me in a month or so when I will be putting in Aco channel. I did find the spinning camera made me dizzy.
Many thanks to you John for stopping by the vid mate thanks and appreciate it alot 👍👊 yeah I could of done with a camera man to help me on that day lol I tried my best mate that's all we can do,
Hope your project turns out ok mate and I'm pleased I was of some help to you 👊👍👍.
I love this video, thanks 🙏
Thank you very much mate 👍👍 thanks for the kind words really do appreciate that alot ,keep up the good work your doing to 👊🏻👍.
Good to see you still reply good luck fella 👍
Thanks man 🫡 yeah i think I'ved replied 90% mate still got to reply to the guy who asked about a rodding eye but that is easy just rod down the pipe from the aco channel its one straight run Thanks for mentioning that mate I do get back to people's comments I view my channel daily good luck to you also fella and all the best to you to 👍👍👊.
Nice mountaineering boots!
Mike thanks for watching mate👍👍 and the boots are well comfortable and water proof to 👍👍
Great video mate going to help me replace the absolute mess that Northern Ireland Housing Executive workmen done round my house.
Been getting really bad damp on new build wet room . Took a look inside the acquflow channel they installed, no end caps fitted and smashed side wall of a pre-existing gully 😡 . Cowboy builder’s wouldn’t get a look in . As the old saying goes, want something done right do it yourself . This video will help me do just that 👍
Thanks man pleased my vid was of some help
Yeah I live by that saying and it is so true hope you get it all sorted mate 💯 and thanks for stopping by the vid nice one 👌 👍 👊
Nice neat job, looks great. Love the concrete edgings they really finish it off nicely.
John Jones:
Thanks for watching mate 👍👍 appreciate that comment yeah using the edgings makes it a solid job plus looks great 👍👍.
Does the cut off echo drain go into the 110 mm
I feel dizzy but it’s an excellent tutorial, 😊
Thanks Anthony 👍👍 yeah that's me doing it live and no rehearsal camera was abit here and there but everything I do is how I'm doing it thanks for watching mate trust me it's hard to do a vid on all my movements perfectly as you can appreciate thanks for the comment 👍👍🤜
If thats connected to the main sewer shouldn't it have some sort of trap in place?
Yes it should have a trap, unless he tapped into the rain water outlet
Very nice
And Very nice of you to say and stop by the vid mate thank you Very much yeah really enjoyed making that vid was hands on as I did it cheers mate 👍👍👊.
That was making me giddy!!
Yeah alot of movement mate totally understand hope you got some info you need though 👍👊
My daughter has just had this fitted "professionally" along the back of her house wall and they haven't used the push in fitting fitting between the channel and the drain gully leaving a 1" gap between the two, her sink drain also feeds into the channel just next to the knock out so if the gully ever blocks you would end up with all the dirty sink water going under the patio and possibly through the house wall. also with no outlet fitting connected under the channel water is not directed down so it can flow anyway it wants.!!!
Would have been better to put a sealing ring/connector to the aco over the top of the drain pipe. Stop all the surrounding muck from falling into it, which will happen over time
In terms of regs, can drainage channel be plumbed into the rainwater pipe, or does it have to go to the waste pipe?
Thanks, what I was looking for! Question is the mix you're putting around the pipe the same 4:1 mix you're bedding the channels on?
Thank you mate for watching 👍👊 yeah same mix for channel and for pipe its a strong mix and dose for both jobs no need to mix 2 different mixes hope this helps mate 👍 👊
All the best mate 🫡
I’m confused wouldn’t it be better to stagger the opposite edging joint?
Also what’s stopping the edging dropping in places over time as they don’t seem to be compacted in?
Not in the trade I’m just a massive DIY fan & looking to do something similar on my gaff 😊
Thanks for watching mate 👍👊
Yeah the concrete edgings are separate from each other for one plus they are layed on a 5 to 6inch concrete bed you got to get the mix to the right consistency not to wet not to dry then bed the edgings in then lay them to a line there going know where you got to make sure your sub base is good to when your good to go, concrete your edgings in I did them on a 5 to 6inch concrete bed
No need to stagger joints when doing this we not laying flooring
Thanks for stopping by mate 👍 👊
This is something i am about to try myself what mix do i use to secure the aco drain? 5* work
george stronach:
Thanks for watching pal 👍👍 I bedded the aco channel in concrete I mixed up loose ballast and cement 4 to 1 ratio nice and strong you can do this in a mixer or by hand if your fit, the aco channel needs to be on a nice base i layed them on about 4ich of concrete , yeah give it a go man I'm here to help if you have any more questions good luck with your project 👍👍.
Basically our builder has put blocks down and then put the damp proofing and then built on top wit bricks. We need channel drains running along side the house but would you suggest having a block placed next to the original block and a channel drain placed next to that? From this video I can see the block was visible and then you placed a block next to that and then had a channel drain installed, did you secure the new block to the old block with cement?
Thanks for stopping by the vid nice one 👍👍 you can run an aco channel along side your house /brickwork as long as its 2 course down from DPC meaning damp proof course, not sure what your builders have done but sounds like they just building up levels to get to where they need for aco channel, as long as the aco channel is 6inch down from dpc it will be fine if you'd like to put an edgeding around it That's a great choice looks great to cheers and hope it all works out fine 👍👍👊
@@creativecrambo Thank you so much for your response 🙂 yeah building regs won't be happy about this and you know how it is with builders .. I just want to make sure no water ever gets in. Out landscaper wants to use gravel grids but I feel channels are more suited to keep water out? Seeing you place an extra block and then the channel might be helpful. Shame your not local ..
@@AK-ql8yp
Hope you get it all sorted and thanks for your feedback nice one 👍 👍👌👊
@@creativecrambo Thank you 🙂 and take care
@@AK-ql8yp THANKS AND YOU TO 👍👊
Hi m8. What's is the brown muck stuff your putting those edging kerbs into? What mix?
Thanks...
Hi m8 and thanks for stopping by the vid 👌👊
Yeah so the aco channel and the edgeding curbs are all bedded down on a concrete mix ,the mix gauge for the concrete mix was a 4 to 1 mix 4 ballast to 1 cement and the bed for them was about 5 to 6 inches deep hope this helps m8 and thanks once again 👍 👊
Hi ..how do you connect corners..or make a right angle join
Thanks for subscribing Robert nice one mate 👍👍
If I was returning the aco channel on a 90 degree angle ,I'd cut both aco channel on a 45 degree angle to form a 90 degree angle you can use a good sealant to make the seal on the join thats how I would do it mate , all depends on what aco channel your using and if they do a 90 degree peice you can buy, but I normally do it the way I've just said works a treat every time, thanks for watching appreciate it alot 👍👍👍.
Weres the connecter from the arco to the pipe stuck up??, surely if left open when you drill hole through the foundation over time will wash away
Hi Paul don't really know what you mean about the pipe stuck up ?? As for foundations to , aco channel runs across 90 degree bend then I drill out a 2inch hole that the water goes directly into a 4inch pipe it don't even touch any thing else it goes straight down the pipe know what I mean did you watch the end of the vid 🤔 thanks anyway mate 👊
Ive just had a drive put in, however the water is pooling at the end in one corner, would that be fixed once the aco drain is installed?
Hello mate thanks for stopping by the vid 👍
If you got water pooling in a certain area on your drive mate sounds like what is underneath has sunk ,it might be cheaper to lift the paving and get the paving to the right level and throw the water away from that area if the water is lying there something is not right with the levels I wouldn't put an aco channel there mate from the aco channel the water needs to go to a soakaway hope this helps mate but I'm only guessing we're the water is pooling hope you get it sorted 👍 👊
@@creativecrambo thanks mate appreciate your reply as he was telling me putting an expansions joint would fix the problem🤦♂️
Forgot to mention it's concrete not paving
@@user-ru8bu9ed4m
You've just had a concrete drive layed and expansion joints are " normally" formed before you concrete , the water your seeing is in a low spot mate and unless you overlay that area then the water will keep on being there plus you always see a patch from the overlay so it's probably done to a bad finish mate if it's so annoying then take that section of concrete up and redo it 👍👊
Random thought: @ 6:41 could you have used that "short" concrete bit upside down? Ie the chamfer would be buried in concrete / soil?
Great video, good efficient worker. I could watch hard / skilled work all day... ;)
Clark mills:
Thanks for watching 👍 I never look back on what I've done as I know it's a sound job plus I always do my vids live aswell, thanks for your feedback appreciate it a lot 👍.
What about concrete underneath Last year somebody done for me the same service and collapse After 3 months
Sorry to hear that , sounds like they didn't put shingle under and over the drainage, if you have shallow drain pipe then you have to put concrete over the pipe to protect it in this case I layed 4inchs over it if the drain doesn't go down 2 foot then this is the procedure you do . Thanks for watching 👍👍.
How do you stop the smell from the drain coming back up if you’re not using a trap of some sort?
Dave lowe 👍the rainwater system is on a completely different set up from the foul/ sewer system there not combined , the pipe I'm connecting on to leads to a catchment chamber with a trap , probably with a none return valve also having air pipes fitted to it ,there definitely wont be any smell coming back up to the aco channel that's for sure thanks for your feedback appreciate it mate 👍.
@@creativecrambo I’m looking to install a channel drain and connect to a combined soil and rainwater system. Without putting a gully in which won’t be accessible after I’m finished I can’t work out how I’m going to stop foul smells coming back and out fo the channel drain. My channels are the 4all brand. Any ideas would be appreciated. I do have a near by rain water gully that could be changed to accommodate it but I don’t think I could get the fall required on it.
@@davelowe7565
There has to be a trap gully some where on the setup your doing and accessible, the trap gully stops the smells coming from your drain its like your toilet system, the toilet is fitted with a trap so you don't get no smells ,unless I can look at the job your talking about I carnt really give you sound advice but all pipes need access to be roding in basic terms you got to incorporate a trap to stop any fowl /waste smells then do your pipe work needed sounds like you got a bit of a job on your hands mate if I could see it then I'd be able to judge it 👍👍👍.
@@creativecrambo thanks for trying to help. Much appreciated. Think I’ll have to call someone local in. Keep up the good work.
@@davelowe7565 keep up the good work to mate you will get there thanks for your feedback 👍👍 .
Hi if the aco drain is going into a sewer line would you have to put a trap gully in to stop smells thanks dave
David Gillet :
Thanks for watching 👍👍
That's a good question, the rainwater pipes are on a separate system
If the connection is to be combined foul sewer surface water then a trapped gulley is definitely required, thanks for your feedback appreciate it 👍👍.
Hi there, my name is Sam (excuse my joke-based username btw 😂)and I'm new to the hard landscaping trade having come from the general gardening as well as soft landscaping trade. I have had some labouring experience with hard landscaping so I've starting off with small patios as well as driveways over the past year as I am not interested in general gardening work these days. I've recently looked at a job where the customer wants a little patio installing up against the house with the levels appearing to fall towards the house as opposed to the garden. I'm thinking aco drains as they would look the most aesthetically pleasing however as well as there being the main rainwater drain there is also their wastewater drain up against the house where the falls meet. How do I work around this without damaging the wastewater pipe whilst installing the acos to fall into the main rainwater drain? I'm not having any luck finding videos on how to do this properly and safely. Thanks!
Hi Sam 👊 sorry for late reply mate 🤦 yeah sometimes you get them sort of jobs ideally you need the water to run away from the building you can do an aco channel and keep it off the brickwork /blockwork with edgings about an inch that way you can come right up to the threshold and won't bridge the DPC
it's hard to know what your up against mate without seeing it I hope you get or already have got it sorted mate and all the best in what you do thanks for stopping by my vid man and thanks for your comment nice one 👍 👊
No trap gully to catch dirt, will cause trouble down the line
What a rodding eye if there's a blockage 🙈
What was that stuff you used to lay everything on ? what was the ratio of it, looks well maye
Conor mcdade :
Thanks for watching man👍
I used ballast mixed with cement, I normally do a 4 to 1 mix ,that being 4 ballast to 1 cement if I was mixing up in a cement mixer, on this job I used a digger to mix the ballast and cement I used 6 bags of cement to a tone of ballast nice strong mix 💪 thanks for your feedback 👍👍.
@creativecrambo
I've seen people using p shingle around the pipe then cement mix on top is the shingle needed around the pipe ?
- Silicone in the joints between the drainage channel sections.
- ACO do vertical adapters & and leaf guards for when mating the drainage channel to 110mm, preventing water escaping when transitioning to the 110mm.
- The drainage channel didn't look like it was bedded into the concrete at all, nor did the concrete look well compacted. I very much doubt it'll survive the 1.5t load an A15 drainage channel is spec'ed to.
- When joining small cut sections it's good practice (though not always possible) to offset the drainage channel covers & joints to give additional rigidity.
Sounds like you know what your talking about but in reality you don't , the ACO was bedded down on 6inch concrete plus the pathway was 6inch concrete with expansion every 8ft plus 12mm rebar in the concrete to be honest it's going nowhere mate plus I've done enough of them mate to sink a battleship I know all about the connections you can use in a perfect situation they are OK but there's other ways of doing the same job at less than half the price
THANKS FOR YOUR FEEDBACK IF YOU WAS WITH ME DOING IT I'D SHOW YOU A GOOD FEW WAYS AROUND IT 💯👍👊
Good video cheers! What fall do you put on the aco to ensure the rainwater discharges? Thanks
Robert kilminster :
Thanks for watching 👍
That is I great question: the rule of thumb is 5mm to 1m of aco channel so all depends on the length you are going you can work out the fall, the aco channels normally come in 1m lengths so its easy to work out the fall, as long as the water can drain away and has no back fall your all good man 👍.
@@creativecrambo thanks for getting back to me. I’m using an aco to drain of surface water if a new porcelain patio. I’m running a 4/5 metre drain. Does it not look noticeable that one end of the drain is 20-25mm higher one end than the other? Am I also right in thinking that you can connect the aco to a gully that just collects waste water from the kitchen sink? Thanks for the advice. Watching loads of videos on here to make sure I get it right. Good luck with your channel 👍
@@robertkilminster3402
I've put these aco CHANNELS in with just the turn of the bubble on your level and they work just great you have 4inch of depth on the aco channel the water will never build up and cause you any problems over 5m as long as the water flows to the outlet that's all you need 👍 good luck with your project and hope it turns out ok , if I can be of further help just drop me a message 👍.
Correct me if I'm wrong but don't they have a slight fall pre built into them by the manufacturer.
Thanks for watching 👍
Domestic channel drains don't have a built in fall they are made level but some commercial channel drains do have a built in fall as long as you don't have a back fall to the outlet your all good mate 👍👍 .
Assuming you're filling the path with concrete just under the damp proof course 😮
Pathway comes up level with damp on this job but I put an edgeding curb in 1inch from the building at the level of the damp.as not to bridge the damp course perfect for a disabled access at the fire doors
Theres always time for lubrication!
Yeah Gavin it's the best way to slip it in the joint works every time mate thanks for stopping by the vid mate nice one 👍👍👊
do you use the aco end caps? or do you just use the concrete edgings to seal the ends off of the channels?
Hi jack 👍 I didn't use the aco end caps, I formed the end cap using the 2" by 6" concrete edging works perfect I have used the end caps before but when I was forming the 90 degree return the edging made a perfect stop end with a very slight fall back to the outlet, the stop ends work but the way I did it dose the same job thanks for stopping by the vid mate appreciate it 👍👍🤜.
@@creativecrambo you’re welcome bud! good video! can you just haunch it off with cement as well?
@@jackhopkins9618 yeah man haunch the concrete up around , the aco CHANNEL I layed was on a bed of nearly 6inch concrete aco CHANNEL all bedded down nicely with a concrete edging stop end also bedded in concrete it definitely works 💯 and there's always other ways to make it work rather then looking at the rule book, thanks for your feedback jack nice one👍, and its nice to talk to someone who wants to get over a problem or situation rather then cause one .
👍👍🤜🤛👌👌👌. I like your comment mate 💪.
@@creativecrambo absolutely, always the way in our industry! do it right, do it once and all that!!
why arent you putting pipe bedding round it
Big ting: the only reason I didn't put pipe in was my way is just the same if not better, thanks for your feedback back and thanks for watching appreciate it mate 👍👍
No p trap/ u bend?! Sewer smells will come up surely?
Thanks for watching kidaz 👍👍 it's on a completely different setup/ system, it's not combined, only rain water and surface water ,all good mate ,sorry for late reply , I have explained the set up in the comments 👍👍.
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🫡👍👍👊 cheers mate 👍
Is a connection not needed from the bottom of the aco to the below ground drainage like? Am in a new build and the fucking sub base is washing away under the block paving into the drain 💩
Thanks for stopping by the vid 👍 yeah you can buy connectors my way dose the same job water just goes straight down the drainage pipe
Very poor connection to the drain and no sump to catch anything that gets washed down. Blockage waiting to happen
If by "waste water pipe" you mean a sewerage pipe, then this is wrong.
If adding an open drain into a combined system you need to install a sump and/or trap before joining the main line.
Just sayin'...
STEVEO thanks for stopping by the vid mate 👍 rain water and surface water only mate I've explained the set up already its all good mate I've had loads of people saying it's wrong but they don't know what I know on the set up thanks for your feedback mate 👍 👊
@@creativecrambo Not a problem mate.
Maybe you should consider changing the title of the video.
Other than that you're doing fine.
Are you a professional?? As I'm an apprentice for a fee weeks 1st video I've watched on CZcams and shouldn't there be a simpthere 😂😂 and didn't see you at leat tampering down lol not even type 1 😂😂
You should check out some of my vids mate it details all of the above your asking about, good luck with your apprenticeship hope you get trained the proper way
Had me dizzy watching this 🥴
Czx68:
Thanks for watching.
You think your dizzy watching it ,try and make all them movevrers doing it live thats full on as you do it , Iive, I don't have a camera crew to take the live it's all on me plus trying to get the best view for you guys appreciate the feedback man 👍👍👍 .
Don't like it crap! Guaranteed to get blocked over time what happens when that Aco gets clogged up with leaves and debris then goes straight into pipe system? Should have some sort of gulley to collect all the dead leaves grit ect so it can be cleaned out periodically.
No need to be rude Jimmy, I've explained the whole set up on this aco channel plus where the water goes to , in previous comments no need to jump the gun before you know the facts .
@@creativecrambo So no gully then, school boy error!
@@jimmywisdom287 like I said, you are jumping the gun, I've explained the whole setup of this job in the comments ,as for school boy era 🤔 💯don't think so , plus don't come to my channel and try to antagonize me in anyway you haven't got the facts right let's leave it at that plus you also seem abit aggressive to me aswell in the way you write 🤔
@@creativecrambo There's always one mate 🙄 Good job 👍
@@mikewalker2068
😀😀 that's a fact funny thing is Mike I've done loads of work on that estate and was back there recently and the aco CHANNEL is working a treat 🙄😄😄👍👊.
Your camera is off target m8. This might be ok for your mates to watch that are already in the know but not for a genuine newbie
Poor comment 👎and I'm not your m8, its so easy to criticize, and your comment was very negative, theres an old saying if you haven't got anything nice to say don't say nothing at all that just sums your comment feel free to ask me any questions you want about all drainage aco channel setting out and the list goes on , plus let me know if you could do better 🤔.
You have raised the floor level over the DPC for the house. Outside ground level should be 75mm below DPC. Very lazy job mate.shame on you
After reading your comment you really don't know what your talking about that's a fact 🤔
There's no house, and the minimum depth from dpc should be 150mm 2 course down of brick standard not 75mm, don't know where you heard that from, also I've put edgings in along side the building 1inch from the building there for no bridging of the dpc and transfer of any moisture/ damp
You have no clue about what it takes to do a job like this and you should think about what you say before you say it
As for a very lazy job and shame on me 🤔🤣
Shame on you for not getting your facts right 💯
Plus I'm not your mate 😏