@@UnrighteousMadeRight huh? Store bought?got the game from my local Walmart back in like 2017 for only 19.99+tax. Unless you mean specifically in the PS store, cuz I assumed they have constant sales on games like Xbox, Nintendo, Steam and so on.
That's not Sony. Sony doesn't set prices. Sony does not pass the cost of the commission to the customer. That's why games on Epic Store are not cheaper than the same games on Steam. The developer gets charged the commission.
Sony is just gonna come out of this and pull an epic gamer move. They'll make the prices across regions more fair for sure, by hiking up the price of games to match the UK's $82 games.
What I find really frustrating about the current industry is we’re consistently being sold broken games on release and are so chopped up that you will inevitably have to pay more for the full experience to what was advertised to you in the first place. This isn’t acceptable at all, customer satisfactory should be prioritised for any respecting business and as customers we shouldn’t have to compromise.
I used to work for PlayStation , if you start the download , even at 1 % downloaded it’s non refundable. Their practices are fucked up I couldn’t deal with the shit. If you think it’s only Sony doing this your crazy. The 1st and third party developers and publishers are in on this scam , especially when they put out unfinished , buggy and or false advertised games.
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I remember when prices went from 50 to $60 and the reasoning was because of the discs costing more. Now that we are 90% digital, I don't know what the excuse is to increase it to 70 besides "inflation" because they sure as hell are not paying developers more.
@@Julian_14 why the fuck would inflation apply to a digital good? You realize the only way that games would absolutely HAVE to increase in price is if there is a significant price increase in tech for development of games or they start paying the devs more (not gonna happen) There is literally no reason for the price increase, any sane person realizes that.
@@thaddeusyoung6061 yeah because as the cost of everything else goes up the devs for games should just earn the same and fall behind the rest of thr world, absolutely
They will say somthing like it's because minimum wage went up or somthing plus inflation plus Uhm paying all those many people. So many programmers and artists gotta pay them all (they don't make money from sales anyway usually)
@@EXTREMESEAMAN69 He isn't right or correct about half the things he talks about but it's still his actual opinion and nothing fake. He tells it how he sees it and that's enough in my opinion.
@@codyschale263 Are you serious? Your comment is mind-blowingly stupid. "I don't care that this person is wrong most of the time, I just like his opinion" Jesus, flathead logic
The worst part about suing any big company is you'll almost never win because they have more money to throw at lawyers and drag out the court case as long as possible until you go broke trying to sue them.
The fact that you have to spend money on sueing deserve whole revolution. Sony may pay all the lawers in the world. That doesn't change the law for fuck sake!
@@AoiEgg 60$ is enough, games have costed 60$ if they are high quality for a long time, no need to raise it because they can add dlc if they need more money
It's possible that this suit is being brought to draw attention to the issue of overcharging and microtransactions. It makes sense to pick a company and sue them, because then, if they say "but every other company does this", that draws more attention than if the suit said it. I'm not sure that the intent is to win, but to call for political action.
I have no idea how that would work out in practice, but that does at least make more sense, in a way. Maybe it's sort of a layer on top of the actual things they're getting at Sony for, but at first glance those points that aren't valid criticisms of Sony specifically do make the overal case sound like aimless complaining.
@@Gnurklesquimp I'd say they're valid criticisms, just not the kind that you can usually sue over. If the class bringing the suit were developers, it might make a bit more sense.
I mean, even if this guy's arguments were sound and solid as concrete, he's gonna need a team of equally as solid lawyers willing to go up against Sony's team of big scary lawyers who are likely prepared to go to any length, no matter the rules, to ensure Sony wins
The same attempt was done in America very recently and the judge denied it with a solid reasoning: it is their store in their eco system. In contrary to the PC market there is basically no other competitor. Thus the same groundings as the steam debate cannot be applied here. Also, as Charlie mentioned as well, then you'd need to sue Apple, google, Microsoft and Nintendo as well for the same practices in their stores and eco systems..
They don't need to cuz if Sony loses this lawsuit, it can be used as a precedent against other companies like Epic and Microsoft so they will change their policies accordingly.
Well yeah, the system won’t be so blatant against itself But, it’s a good start, maybe people should just stop giving money to these cunts, I’ve stopped buying Ubisoft and EA games for about 7 years I think Just don’t give them money, there are plenty of good games, and just as GPU overpriced BS, just stop giving them money… They are so deep in Investor pressure that either they back down or they go broke at this point
@@danieloyeleye3257 ummm exactly? Judges tend to rule on the side of the defendant because ruling on the side of the plaintiff sets precedent, a decision that judges may not feel comfortable making. So they rule in favor of the defendent to preserve the status quo.
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You gonna sue someone selling their house because you can’t afford it or think it’s not worth the money? Edit: don’t take the analogy seriously and I’m not defending Sony
PlayStation: "Oh no we are getting sued what are we going to do" Sony executives: "Raise the console price" PlayStation: "Brilliant! Overcharge them for the consoles too!"
Console manufacturers lose a lot of money on the actual consoles. That is why they are and have been so cheap. They make all their money from games sales and microtransactions. So it would have to be quite a steep increase in price before they actually overcharged you.
@@Xomeal. Because Microsoft and Nintendo are confident in their product. Also, Nintendo and Microsoft consoles act as loss leaders, similar to Costco hotdogs/chickens. They lose some money in exchange they get you hooked into their ecosystem (games, services, internet, DLC, etc.). This is far more valuable than losing some money on consoles. Sony does have some great exclusives but I think they have a lot of crossover with Pc and Microsoft. Nintendo has the advantage in terms of IP because you know their games are never going to be legally available on PC, PS or Xbox anytime soon.
Now I’m not a lawyer but, it sounds like the whole “keeps the amount to 70 no matter the currency” could potentially be chalked up to just plain ol’ negligence
Ummm idk tbh, I live in mexico and games are a lot cheaper here when buying digitally. Still expensives as games are a luxury and have always been, but for example, I remember there was almost a $20usd difference between a game me and a friend from the US wanted to buy to play together, even tho it was under a sale.
@@Darklovesto Ill say it: G2A, Kinguin, cdkeys, etc... Why don't you want to say the names? There is some shady shit on those websites but i've never had a problem using them and getting my keys, it's not illegal either or against steam TOS.
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The £70 games were actually like ~$90+ until up to a few months ago because the UK has really high inflation right now and GBP fell 12% against USD in just 4 months. So it was actually a lot worse for a long time. However what people are forgetting to tell you is we have value added tax (VAT) in the UK, so tax is added to the price not after sale. That adds 20% to the price. Before this current economic blip, we were paying about £8 too much for every £70 game but right now it's working out about right to the USD, but it's not black and white, in the UK we are struggling right now economically and they just increased the price of the PS5 by £30 too... I'd say the UK RRPs are too high all around from Sony.
If they do win, what's most likely going to happen is the money paid won't nearly be as much as they're suing for. And hopefully fixes the consumer and producer relations with these vendors.
I believe when they said Playstation has a "monopoly" with the Playstation store, they were referring to how it was the only way to buy games digitally on the Playstation, and therefore Sony can overcharge them without consequence of other digital stores. But it wasn't written clearly in their writing. There were quite a few points that as Charlie says really shouldn't be the focus, like microtransactions.
Isn’t this what Epic Games accused Apple of doing when they removed Fortnite from the App Store? I find it hard to believe this will get anywhere in court tbh.
That's not what a monopoly is. You as the owner of a store have every right to do what you want with your own store. Imagine going to a random store irl and telling them they are a monopoly... Like wtf?
cloud storage costs money (why would it be free? they store thousands of TB, that aint cheap) , and external save backups where leading to people hacking the ps4, editing their saves and cheating in online games.
I live in Australia and we actually aren’t really paying more than the US, $70USD is sitting around $100AUD at the moment, and triple A titles are usually $99 for us. $99 sounds like a lot but with currency conversion it’s basically the same. The UK is definitely getting ripped off though
I do remember when the Australian dollar was up toothere was a point where 70usd was only like 85-90 aud and all consoles were selling new games for $100 still but the thing that I had an issue with is triple A titles that were out for years are still full price, gta on disc was like $50 max at like eb and jb because it was old but yet on the ps4 store it was still $100, games don’t ever drop price in the ps4 store, and I no longer have a PlayStation but from what I hear they still do it, occasional sales aren’t exactly good enough for a game that barely values over $20 but yet it’s still full price, like overwatch, that game is still full price, I moved to PC cause of keys, you can get old games for like 5 bucks and it’s so convenient
Yeah, it also depends on your countries minimum wage and prices on things like healthcare and tuition for college and how much your country spends on military and such, places with free healthcare have higher tax rates, but also probably have a higher minimum wage, so it mostly evens itself out, since Americans have to spend a ton of money on college and healthcare, the tax rates are lower making the price of games and other things lower, but if an American decided to convert their money into another countries currency and moved there, things would be more expensive because that country has higher taxes, prices rise globally due to things like war or global warming or overpopulation, in short the prices are completely fair and balanced to the specific countries currency, it’s only when you move countries that it might seem overpriced
I think this is much better ammo than anything they're brought forth in this lawsuit - Sony adjusted the price up for AUD so their compensation would remain the same in USD, but in countries where the conversion rate goes the other way, they've kept prices the same per numerical unit, thus earning them MORE than their "fair" share. N that is ultimately the basis for this baseless case. I do wanna see my console friends be treated better, I do often forgot it's special I get the chance to buy a whole pile of farcry games for $40 on steam sales.
I live in Australia and seen their AAA games sell for 110 at normal retail stores. The $99 games are ps4-ps5 games while ps5 exclusive games are $110-$120 AUD. So yeah Australia getting fucked for PS5 only games.
This isn’t just with Sony, every company does this especially tech companies and yes this is a problem especially in the UK. Just go to Apple’s website and look at the price of an iPhone then go to the US store and look at the price, you’ll find that every product is jacked up unfairly. Not a single company charges audiences outside the US fairly for any product.
See there's just something different about Sony. I mean I do sound biased and I'll have to admit I'm an Xbox User, but only for the reason of gamepass. I just don't appreciate how Sony which they have, and clearly have, paid for games not to come to Xbox, until a certain date, and it's usually a year or 2 away from when it releases which is stupid. It is purely anti-competitive and it is fine to have exclusive games, that's probably the only reason people buy a playstation, but it's not right to harm the rights of Microsoft to not be able to have a sustainable buisness model.
@@BlipBlopFlipFlop Dude every single console publisher does that, it's called timed exclusives. I don't like Sony either but it's mind-blowing that people pretend this is unique to Sony now. You aren't the first to say this. Guess Microsoft is shilling hard for the kill. And the idea that Microsoft is not sustainable or somehow losing money is absurd. Sony is much worse off than MS will ever be for the foreseeable future.
The problem with US to UK price conversion is that, yes, on the surface it seems dumb to say 70 USD gets turned into 70 GPB, but remember that in the UK prices presented to general consumers *must* be inclusive of taxes including the government's own 20% VAT charge. In the US, taxes vary so much by state that this isn't doable and prices are advertised exclusive of taxes. I'd wager the price parity is actually pretty strong between countries, once you account for those differences.
@@yasirkadhim2940 I'm responding to the video and a point about pricing made by Moist, not the lawsuit. The lawsuit doesn't bring up the price conversion anywhere. This isn't the 'gotcha' moment you think it is.
I am just glad Charlie mentioned Australia and how this issue is even bigger here. The price of anything remotely tech related is so stupid. GPUs, games, vacuum cleaners, headphones, you name it. To the point Steam deck and vr arent even available here because it wasnt worth it for them as it would cost a ton more. Biggest irony considering Gaben even lives/lived in New Zealand.
I don't think Sony can be held solely responsible but as a gamer who's fed up of the state of monetization in the industry hopefully something good can come of this
right. im just glad someones throwing a punch at them to rock that ivory tower a bit and make them think twice about being such greedy exploitative people that dont care about country discrimination an being rip offs
they would have to sue like 9 major companies including Tencent who are so rich they could just make them disappear or buy off the judge lmao and even some minor ones that try to hop on the trend
so my bet is they took all the gamers grief and pointed it at sony because they didnt have any other idea. They will lose the case and will be paying sony for the bad rep
It's been said before, but the monopoly claim was referring to the process of buying games/digital items/etc on play station, and that the Playstation Store is the only option available. Basically, this is the same argument towards Apple having a monopoly on iPhones because they required all apps/etc be purchased through their Appstore with Apple getting a cut of all transactions, and no third parties were supported. Their wording could use some improvement, but that seems to be what they were intending in the claim.
Well yea that’s exactly what they are trying to sue for and of course they ain’t gonna win. The same could be said about the other 2 console makers. Nintendo been charging 60 bucks for old ass games forever. Just the fact smash bros is still 60 bucks on the e shop is pathetic. They will lose. Their argument is invalid
@@Soothsayrtw yea hearing and seeing this website screams like someone heard about nerds wanting to sue nintendo about joyoons having drift, and decided to go after playstation lol
pretty much. sony stopped game codes on their platform and as a result stopped selling digital games anywhere but their digital store. my digital ps5 is barely used. ratchet and clank rift apart is over a year old now and its still full price in the store
@@Soothsayrtw their argument isnt invalid because on xbox i can buy a code for a game online (at CDKeys for example) cheaper than on the xbox store and then activate said code on my account. there is no way to do that on playstation. they axxed digital game codes before the launch of the ps5, which conveniently has a digital only model.
@@IAm-zo1bo you said "Those are $5 more" what did you mean by that??? And physical games wouldn't just stop making them money dude. They would actually save them money because they wouldn't be making games that just rot on the shelves. And more people would buy their games because now it would be cheaper and easier to get because you just download them from home. And the collector's would still buy physical games dude, so I have no idea why you would think they would lose money
Thing is in the UK if you buy new games physically from somewhere like Game most are about £50, they only go up to £70 for special editions or collectors sets. Plus they drop in price within months of release so I just wait a bit and then buy it
@@yoda9256 we shouldn’t have to not buy it just cause they’re greedy it ain’t really fair, but I suppose the US is used to being privileged in that sense
@@Tuna-mayo-sushi What. How people in the US being privileged? We have the same choices buy it or not. AUD is worth less the USD so i'm not surprised Sony uses that as an excuse to jump up prices.
New games from any store in Canada are $90, and then there's taxes, and trudeau also added an additional tax on all digital purchases. So its getting a little ridiculous.
I think a lot of people wont be looking up the prices of items in other countries. I'd say its a fair argument to say that people dont realise that they are being overcharged.
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I've said it for years that game prices are way too expensive, especially now with rising cost of living affecting everyone. Australia's game prices have always been high but in places like India and Brazil, forget about it. You may as well just pirate to save yourself some money. I'd say a lot of prices are governed by import tariffs and such but I'm no expert on the subject. The only way for us to cheat the system with higher game prices is to wait for a deep, deep sale.
Games have always been kinda expensive though. If you think about it. It is the most revolutionary form of entertainment and is only improving. There's haptic feedback fk doll video games. Just kidding
Well from what I’ve seen the prices of games should of risen ten years ago, that’s why company’s essentially feel the need to have a micro transaction system implemented to make money they don’t hit their quotas from just game sales alone they need a system implemented in the game to make money. Problem for me is the pricing and just horrible distribution of them making me not buy at all. I don’t have any respect for a lot of companies the only one so far worthy is Fromsoftware lol
Youre acting like gaming is a necessity. Its a luxery and if you cant afford it then its your own damn fault for not making enough money. Save your money. Stop wasting it on other things if you really feel like you cant live without video game s
While not as bad as the situation in the UK, we in Australia get overcharged as well, new AAA games on PS4 are around AU$100 which equates to about US$70, and PS5 games are AU$110-120, which is about US$80
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Yeah the moment I read "Sony has a near monopoly," I knew this was just another limp lawsuit going nowhere. The best you could possibly argue and stand a chance in court is the regional pricing differences, but anything beyond that is a shot in the dark. Unless Sony has been intentionally deceptive you don't have much a case, otherwise every casino on the face of the planet would've been sued out of existence decades ago.
Everyone misunderstands this. The claim isn't that Sony has a monopoly in the digital content market but instead that they have a monopoly on the content being sold to users of their own consoles.
The reason I think as to why other countries could be paying "More" or possibly some are paying "less" is cause the value of all currency's are different, 1 USD is only .85 pounds over in the UK for example.
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As a person who has to pay a fuck ton for the games here in Australia, I agree, it's out of our control and definitely out of Playstation control for the prices...
@@thelvadem5713 nahhhh bro they have to pay for every game Xbox has game pass and I’m on pc and it’s kinda cool but Yh Sony was shitting on game pass and now they want one
2:30 I think the part you're missing here is that Xbox and Nintendo both allow digital codes redeemable for digital games on their marketplace, to be sold through other retailers like GameStop, Best Buy and etc. Those retailers can and do offer discounts different than any console's online store. The affect this has on the market is that Sony can charge anything they want for their digital games specifically. So the issue isn't exactly about a monopoly on ALL digital games, it's that Sony has a monopoly on digital Playstation games. Edited to add - the issue is really ass for anyone that owns a Digital PS5 as they have literally zero choice but to pay what Sony demands. I am no lawyer but THAT is the part I would have focused on.
Tbh, as a Digital PS5 User I just gave up on buying games as all the new ones have such high graphics and stuff that my console becomes a fucking microwave. And, whenever I do buy a game and think “now is a great time to buy it” it’s already completely dead or boring and buggy as hell.
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Considering that Sony is such a massive company, I don't see them losing. Though, Alex might pull a win on the UK pricing and make Sony properly adjust their prices. Other than that, the other points/claims they made against Sony holds no weight.
Uhh. Some guys from the UK are already explaining why and how the price is that and its completely even keel with US. they have taxes for digital gaming in the UK, plus added taxes for any currency applied. It comes out to, actually less pound per dollar, but more taxes. So it's actually less beneficial for Sony to sell games in the UK. Lmfao oh my God this is hilarious.
i mean this applies to almost any country, I'm in Canada and during covid the USD to cad was at 1.20cad-$1 USD for a bit this would have the cost be around $84 yet we still paid $90 its just how it is, they don't necessarily make sense but they want exchange rates to work in there favour not yours
has been an issue for years. people in eu know (at least a big majority) that the same exact game is cheaper in us so they make an us account just to buy this and share it with their eu main account
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Throwing everything at a wall and seeing what sticks is a fairly common strategy in court. You dont need to be right on all accords to win a law suit. You can be told 50% of what you said is wrong. But if youre right on 3 major things, sony may still have to pay 2 billion instead of 5
The thing with this lawsuit is that it only makes sense as a reason to boycott the products that are being overpriced witch would force Sony to lower the price but as a legal case overcharging isn’t really something to sue for because legally they can could charge you as much as they want I’m not saying Sonys is in the right they should be making the prices equal everywhere but Immoral doesn’t equal illegal
Not necessarily, intentionally increasing prices for one place in the world, for no reason, has grounds for a law suit. Along with all the other shit they've been doing.
Well, a Sony boycott is literally never going to happen. And I mean "literally" as it's supposed to be used. Either because people don't actually care enough to boycott, or because Sony gets money from so much stuff people would be supporting them accidently. Mostly the former. Hopefully I'm wrong and things could improve, but that's a slim chance at best.
One thing that really bugs me about Sony despite me always being a PlayStation user is how they seem to outright REFUSE to fix the services list, every time I try to go into it on my PS4 to see my subscriptions so I can cancel them it’s always “An error has occurred.” and I’ve tried fixing it yet it’s still completely inaccessible. So unless I want to unwillingly keep shelling out loads of money monthly for subscriptions I don’t want anymore I have to manually remove my card information…
Did you contact customer service to get it fixed? My only problems with sony at the moment are Refunds being close to the worse they can be and I guess prices could be better.. but dont have any service problem atm.
Seems to be a running theme with all these stores being targeted first apple and Google now they are going for console stores, the only thing I don't like with all digital purchases is that you don't technically own anything if the service dies compared to disc based
70 dollars for a game is too much though. I know it’s kind of beside the point, but it is correct that digital games should be cheaper since they don’t need to distribute and/or make the discs. 40 dollars should be more than enough. In some countries 70 dollars is nearly impossible to pay.
It's really not the same. If your ex breaks all your disks, you can't just go back to Best Buy and ask for a new copy, but you can delete then redownload a digital game. All the servers are not running on rainbows and butterflies.
I agree with the sentiment, but if you're breaking the bank just to buy a game at launch, you have bigger problems than the launch price of video games and should probably just wait for a sale (which literally everybody should be doing regardless of their income if they don't like the launch price of games anyway).
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I love seeing consumers win, and I’d like to see the price for UK digital games to be adjusted, but this is a super goofy lawsuit. Seems like a nothing burger
I mean was this not an issue when games were 60? They still would've been getting overcharged. Plus it's not like PlayStation is the only one doing 70 buck games. Activision and sport games are way worse since they still expect you to spend a whole bunch of money on microtransactions while sony games don't.
its not really a "consumers win" scenario. the vast majority of consumers will lose and a few would win a settlement. How do you think Sony would make up for their losses from a settlement? higher prices and fees
@@De4daim I’m pretty sure just about every game company worth their assets actually gets subsidized from *our* tax money-they claim losses while their CEO takes in multimillion dollar bonuses every quarter. Just look at Activision’s Bobby Kottick, dude’s taken 200 million dollar “bonuses” one year…while of course crying poor and firing 200 employees Sony et all don’t raise prices because taxes-they don’t pay any, really-they raise prices whenever they think they can get away with it
I think what you are missing is you have to go after the most vulnerable Monopoly first once the lawsuit is won, then only at that point can you go after Nintendo Microsoft and steam. I see the battle plan they are doing and I don't think people understand how this stuff works. Once and if they win against Sony that gives grounds to go after the other monopolies that is the playbook
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I've actually been wondering about the price politics in different countries. On SteamDB you can compare prices of games, according to the country of purchase. So a game in Argentina would cost me about a fifth of the price when converted to my currency, e.g. Age of Empires 4 would cost 7-8€ instead of 35€ (Euros). Of course this has to do with a lot of things, and I obviously can't simply buy all my games in Argentina, even though I would to save me some bucks. But I can relate that digital games in the respective stores (be it Nintendo or PS Store) always tend to stay more expensive a lot longer than Amazon or physical copies of games would cost me. And even if they go on sale, they're not nearly as cheap as elsewhere. Atleast as long as you don't have an active Ps Plus subscription, it's usually just not worth it.
@@arkanoid2207 Isn’t that illegal though? I know it’s illegal for the PlayStation store, so maybe that’s why its a target. But I kinda assume that’s illegal for other platforms to
You've been misinformed, the reason games are more expensive in the UK and Scandinavia for example is not because they are overcharging, we have taxes that you guys don't have and that is included in that price, if you were to have those taxes and pay for them the prices for your games would go up as well. This is also the reason why the consoles and even PC parts are more expensive over here as well. As an example, we have plastic tax and a sugar tax in Sweden as well, which makes all the food more expensive too because tax-prices in our country are included in the price on the shelf, which is different from how it is in the US. This lawsuit is a joke they have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not saying the lawyers are terrible but they have wandered into an area where they know nothing and are trying to win a case. This won't go well for them.
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If anything comes out of this, I really really hope it's regional pricing like steam, because third world countries have the store prices on US dollars instead of our country's currency, and it does not take into account the taxes that each country could impose on digital sales, making sales in one of these third world countries super low. For example in my country, Argentina, for a $60 game we end up paying the equivalent of $105 because of a combined 75% tax, and of course Sony is not to blame for a county's taxes, but this does affect their sales heavily. Steam knew that and that's why the Argentina Steam store is the cheapest steam store in the world, it's better for business to earn less from lower priced games that earn nothing from overpriced games.
I live in the uk and top of the line games used to be £50-£60 max but then suddenly bumped up to £70 as the norm. Personally I just thought the production value of the games got better se they costed more. Another thing is we would have no idea that it’s cheaper in America because we’d have no reason to check American prices.
The bigger problem is that functionally it IS a monopoly, just not the pure monopolies of the past that we learn about in school. In the modern day the population and economy is big enough for 3 or 4 massive corporations to share 90% of an industry without any real competition yet because it’s not just one big conglomerate ruling over everything we don’t do anything about it.
Im not an attorney, but I think the reason these cases demand so much right off the bat, is because they are hoping that the company will settle the case for a smaller amount... the higher they make their demands at the start, the higher they hope the company will settle the case at later. If you ask for 60mil, and they try to settle for, say, 30% of that, its still 18mil
@@noahmay7708 I don't think they pulled the numbers out of thin air though. It must have something to do with how much extra people in the UK have been paying all these years and the $6B is based off that.
Note that UK prices include VAT at 20%. The conversion rate from GBP to USD is currently about 1.2x. Therefore, $70 to £70 actually does make sense. (And this is coming from someone who lives in England) Of course, this defence wouldn't have applied 6 months ago before the conversion rate fell. (Used to be about 1.4x)
They are talking about how on playstation you have to buy in game money on the store and not in the game when on like pc you buy them in game (example warframe platinum is bought on the store on playstation but on pc you buy it in the game and can have discounts from daily log in 75%/50% offs)
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If they really want to sue Sony, it should be about their nonexistent refund policy for digital products.
And ps plus. Paying for multiplayer is a slap in the face.
@@ken.7019 And XBox live? Nintendo?
So there is no way to return a game you bought off the PS store?
@@shadowjack48209 why should there be? Y'all dumb enough to buy a digital copy
If you don’t finish downloading it you get a full refund
Damn this lawsuit is absolutely nutty. We need a Saul Goodman to fight for this, man I wish lawyers were real.
Honestly what is wrong with you all (don’t reply that these are bots I know they are)
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did you know you have rights well the constitution says you do
@@yungblattt I can guarantee you I didn’t ask, now go look in the mirror and ask yourself what your doing with your life.
When you have to pay $70 for a game that’s over 10 years old, you know something is up
Hahahaha call of duty ghosts. It's been 60 bucks since it came out lol
@@UnrighteousMadeRight huh? Store bought?got the game from my local Walmart back in like 2017 for only 19.99+tax. Unless you mean specifically in the PS store, cuz I assumed they have constant sales on games like Xbox, Nintendo, Steam and so on.
@@lyrics2challenged AW is $60 on xbox
@@lyrics2challenged what do you think we’re talking about kiddo… it’s literally a vid about playstation
That's not Sony. Sony doesn't set prices. Sony does not pass the cost of the commission to the customer. That's why games on Epic Store are not cheaper than the same games on Steam. The developer gets charged the commission.
Imagine this backfires and Sony said "You're right it should be equal" and all of us have to pay 70 bucks per game.
youtube vs cory moment
You would still be getting it cheaper than other places like the UK, looks the same price but really more when you factor in the exchange rate
I’m a tweaking or arent ps5 games already 70 dollars?
@@thebrownshinobi9790 I think he meant 70 pounds which means you’d be payin 80 dollars instead
Damn down under $70 for a game is a dream.....
I feel like this lawsuit was filed for the sole purpose of being able to say "The game is up, Sony" in a legal document
That makes sense because very small chance they would actually win against Sony.
Sony is just gonna come out of this and pull an epic gamer move. They'll make the prices across regions more fair for sure, by hiking up the price of games to match the UK's $82 games.
@@WindReiter10 you sure?
@@bennnoboyo5238 Positive.
@Bruh Bruh the mass producers have gotten more aggressive
I could be wrong, but power to the player is actually GameStop’s slogan when they give you $4.39 for 20 games
PlayStations slogan is probably “PlayStation” tbh
And then proceed to sell the game for a ridiculous price
@@Soulfin
“Playstation, you know you hate us but what are you gonna do go to Xbox? 😂😂”
@@malpaw2371 I'm just eating popcorn while watching this on windows next to my xbox
Lol yeah, PlayStation's slogan is
"P-S consoles, it's in the game"
What I find really frustrating about the current industry is we’re consistently being sold broken games on release and are so chopped up that you will inevitably have to pay more for the full experience to what was advertised to you in the first place.
This isn’t acceptable at all, customer satisfactory should be prioritised for any respecting business and as customers we shouldn’t have to compromise.
Day 1 DLC should legit be illegal. Withholding content to sell later at a marked up price is anti-consumer and predatory.
I rarely ever see games like that and I don't see the problem either just don't buy the game and watch a video first
@@sp00kyd4ddy6 solid advice
I say just stick to old school games
@@sp00kyd4ddy6 Yeah because that totally works.
I used to work for PlayStation , if you start the download , even at 1 % downloaded it’s non refundable. Their practices are fucked up I couldn’t deal with the shit. If you think it’s only Sony doing this your crazy. The 1st and third party developers and publishers are in on this scam , especially when they put out unfinished , buggy and or false advertised games.
Go get a xbox stop complaining mf
@@hogman3543 lol same beast different animal
Get back to work
i loved seeing the room gradually become more decorated
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It’s like watching a kid grow up
Just reporting the bots, and I absolutely agree, it's subtle growth and that makes me real happy...enjoy the vid :)
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I remember when prices went from 50 to $60 and the reasoning was because of the discs costing more. Now that we are 90% digital, I don't know what the excuse is to increase it to 70 besides "inflation" because they sure as hell are not paying developers more.
Uhm yes they are games cost alot more than ever before donkey and inflation is a big deal 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
@@Julian_14 why the fuck would inflation apply to a digital good?
You realize the only way that games would absolutely HAVE to increase in price is if there is a significant price increase in tech for development of games or they start paying the devs more (not gonna happen)
There is literally no reason for the price increase, any sane person realizes that.
@@thaddeusyoung6061 yeah because as the cost of everything else goes up the devs for games should just earn the same and fall behind the rest of thr world, absolutely
They will say somthing like it's because minimum wage went up or somthing plus inflation plus Uhm paying all those many people. So many programmers and artists gotta pay them all (they don't make money from sales anyway usually)
@@jaredcollins2049 Then why are companies boasting record profits while laying off said Devs? Prices aren't the issue tbh.
Im at a very high point in my life where right now all of moistkritical's contents are my main source of news.
Same, I love it. He just gets right to the point, no distractions
Probably not a great place to get news considering he can't comprehend the first point in this video correctly
@@EXTREMESEAMAN69 He isn't right or correct about half the things he talks about but it's still his actual opinion and nothing fake. He tells it how he sees it and that's enough in my opinion.
@@codyschale263 Are you serious? Your comment is mind-blowingly stupid. "I don't care that this person is wrong most of the time, I just like his opinion"
Jesus, flathead logic
The worst part about suing any big company is you'll almost never win because they have more money to throw at lawyers and drag out the court case as long as possible until you go broke trying to sue them.
The fact that you have to spend money on sueing deserve whole revolution. Sony may pay all the lawers in the world. That doesn't change the law for fuck sake!
Sony: You're right, we are being unfair with pricing
*Raises US prices to $85 per game* Problem solved!
Sony: You were right, it was unfair to the investors for us to charge so little. Thanks for letting us know.
I think the market of AAA games should cost around 90$. If not, company will just go gacha/lootbox games.
@@AoiEgg Okay, EA. Whatever you say.
@@AoiEgg they'll just do that anyway, what do you mean lol
@@AoiEgg 60$ is enough, games have costed 60$ if they are high quality for a long time, no need to raise it because they can add dlc if they need more money
It's possible that this suit is being brought to draw attention to the issue of overcharging and microtransactions. It makes sense to pick a company and sue them, because then, if they say "but every other company does this", that draws more attention than if the suit said it.
I'm not sure that the intent is to win, but to call for political action.
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@@I_quit_trolling_now you're the reason for your parents divorce shush
I have no idea how that would work out in practice, but that does at least make more sense, in a way. Maybe it's sort of a layer on top of the actual things they're getting at Sony for, but at first glance those points that aren't valid criticisms of Sony specifically do make the overal case sound like aimless complaining.
Very smart sir
@@Gnurklesquimp I'd say they're valid criticisms, just not the kind that you can usually sue over. If the class bringing the suit were developers, it might make a bit more sense.
I mean, even if this guy's arguments were sound and solid as concrete, he's gonna need a team of equally as solid lawyers willing to go up against Sony's team of big scary lawyers who are likely prepared to go to any length, no matter the rules, to ensure Sony wins
The same attempt was done in America very recently and the judge denied it with a solid reasoning: it is their store in their eco system. In contrary to the PC market there is basically no other competitor. Thus the same groundings as the steam debate cannot be applied here.
Also, as Charlie mentioned as well, then you'd need to sue Apple, google, Microsoft and Nintendo as well for the same practices in their stores and eco systems..
They don't need to cuz if Sony loses this lawsuit, it can be used as a precedent against other companies like Epic and Microsoft so they will change their policies accordingly.
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Well yeah, the system won’t be so blatant against itself
But, it’s a good start, maybe people should just stop giving money to these cunts, I’ve stopped buying Ubisoft and EA games for about 7 years I think
Just don’t give them money, there are plenty of good games, and just as GPU overpriced BS, just stop giving them money…
They are so deep in Investor pressure that either they back down or they go broke at this point
"basically no competitor" so a monopoly
@@danieloyeleye3257 ummm exactly? Judges tend to rule on the side of the defendant because ruling on the side of the plaintiff sets precedent, a decision that judges may not feel comfortable making. So they rule in favor of the defendent to preserve the status quo.
The whole industry deserves this kind of negative press. Greed has killed videogames
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Nintendo is aight tho
Microsoft is good too
You gonna sue someone selling their house because you can’t afford it or think it’s not worth the money?
Edit: don’t take the analogy seriously and I’m not defending Sony
@@RonaldMcreepy why not
Underrated comment lol
PlayStation: "Oh no we are getting sued what are we going to do"
Sony executives: "Raise the console price"
PlayStation: "Brilliant! Overcharge them for the consoles too!"
Console manufacturers lose a lot of money on the actual consoles. That is why they are and have been so cheap. They make all their money from games sales and microtransactions. So it would have to be quite a steep increase in price before they actually overcharged you.
@@Regexion Yet no one else is raising their price.
This joke is relying on the assumption that this lawsuit is anything but frivolous.
Sony have unlimited money so they don't even care about it
@@Xomeal. Because Microsoft and Nintendo are confident in their product. Also, Nintendo and Microsoft consoles act as loss leaders, similar to Costco hotdogs/chickens. They lose some money in exchange they get you hooked into their ecosystem (games, services, internet, DLC, etc.). This is far more valuable than losing some money on consoles. Sony does have some great exclusives but I think they have a lot of crossover with Pc and Microsoft. Nintendo has the advantage in terms of IP because you know their games are never going to be legally available on PC, PS or Xbox anytime soon.
Now I’m not a lawyer but, it sounds like the whole “keeps the amount to 70 no matter the currency” could potentially be chalked up to just plain ol’ negligence
I doubt they’d place their games for 70 Yen in Japan…or something.
Ummm idk tbh, I live in mexico and games are a lot cheaper here when buying digitally. Still expensives as games are a luxury and have always been, but for example, I remember there was almost a $20usd difference between a game me and a friend from the US wanted to buy to play together, even tho it was under a sale.
The streaming room looks absolutely phenomenal. It was nice seeing it go from empty to epic
Game prices today are no joke. The price for a standard edition game today was the price for a collectors edition ten years ago
@Prospect i dont wanna say what site but you can get cheap game keys for steam. i just checked and dark souls 2 is selling for 17 bucks
@@Darklovesto Ill say it: G2A, Kinguin, cdkeys, etc...
Why don't you want to say the names? There is some shady shit on those websites but i've never had a problem using them and getting my keys, it's not illegal either or against steam TOS.
Games were more expensive back in the 80s and 90s than they are now.
Yeah nowadays I buy all my games on third party websites or wait for a huge sale
with inflation its probably the same
Playstation: "Shiver me timbers!"
*settles case*
Playstation: "So, anyways..."
a o g us?
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Man these comments
All of these comments are bots except for like 2 people
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The £70 games were actually like ~$90+ until up to a few months ago because the UK has really high inflation right now and GBP fell 12% against USD in just 4 months. So it was actually a lot worse for a long time.
However what people are forgetting to tell you is we have value added tax (VAT) in the UK, so tax is added to the price not after sale. That adds 20% to the price. Before this current economic blip, we were paying about £8 too much for every £70 game but right now it's working out about right to the USD, but it's not black and white, in the UK we are struggling right now economically and they just increased the price of the PS5 by £30 too... I'd say the UK RRPs are too high all around from Sony.
If they do win, what's most likely going to happen is the money paid won't nearly be as much as they're suing for. And hopefully fixes the consumer and producer relations with these vendors.
I believe when they said Playstation has a "monopoly" with the Playstation store, they were referring to how it was the only way to buy games digitally on the Playstation, and therefore Sony can overcharge them without consequence of other digital stores. But it wasn't written clearly in their writing. There were quite a few points that as Charlie says really shouldn't be the focus, like microtransactions.
Isn’t this what Epic Games accused Apple of doing when they removed Fortnite from the App Store? I find it hard to believe this will get anywhere in court tbh.
That's not what a monopoly is. You as the owner of a store have every right to do what you want with your own store. Imagine going to a random store irl and telling them they are a monopoly... Like wtf?
I also got it like that, and that's awful what Sony does. Also sorry for bots, nobody won't read thread because of it
@@beta3522 It's monopoly of games played on their console, what don't you get
@@theonetruechazz598 it made sense for apple since they're so widespread, but playstation is more niche so i dont think it works
They should be sued for removing save file backups on drives (understandable) while forcing you to pay for cloud backups. It's disgusting.
cloud storage costs money (why would it be free? they store thousands of TB, that aint cheap) , and external save backups where leading to people hacking the ps4, editing their saves and cheating in online games.
@@geraldfisher6475 You meant "internal" and you meant "were".
@@geraldfisher6475 yet cloud storage is free on Steam and everywhere else
Ya i love not giving sony $150 for ps plus so now i cant play my elden ring save with 150hrs on it. Like why cant i just download my save?
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It could just be that the demand schedules are greater in London
I live in Australia and we actually aren’t really paying more than the US, $70USD is sitting around $100AUD at the moment, and triple A titles are usually $99 for us. $99 sounds like a lot but with currency conversion it’s basically the same. The UK is definitely getting ripped off though
I do remember when the Australian dollar was up toothere was a point where 70usd was only like 85-90 aud and all consoles were selling new games for $100 still but the thing that I had an issue with is triple A titles that were out for years are still full price, gta on disc was like $50 max at like eb and jb because it was old but yet on the ps4 store it was still $100, games don’t ever drop price in the ps4 store, and I no longer have a PlayStation but from what I hear they still do it, occasional sales aren’t exactly good enough for a game that barely values over $20 but yet it’s still full price, like overwatch, that game is still full price, I moved to PC cause of keys, you can get old games for like 5 bucks and it’s so convenient
Yeah, it also depends on your countries minimum wage and prices on things like healthcare and tuition for college and how much your country spends on military and such, places with free healthcare have higher tax rates, but also probably have a higher minimum wage, so it mostly evens itself out, since Americans have to spend a ton of money on college and healthcare, the tax rates are lower making the price of games and other things lower, but if an American decided to convert their money into another countries currency and moved there, things would be more expensive because that country has higher taxes, prices rise globally due to things like war or global warming or overpopulation, in short the prices are completely fair and balanced to the specific countries currency, it’s only when you move countries that it might seem overpriced
I definitely didn’t. Know about this
I think this is much better ammo than anything they're brought forth in this lawsuit - Sony adjusted the price up for AUD so their compensation would remain the same in USD, but in countries where the conversion rate goes the other way, they've kept prices the same per numerical unit, thus earning them MORE than their "fair" share. N that is ultimately the basis for this baseless case. I do wanna see my console friends be treated better, I do often forgot it's special I get the chance to buy a whole pile of farcry games for $40 on steam sales.
I live in Australia and seen their AAA games sell for 110 at normal retail stores. The $99 games are ps4-ps5 games while ps5 exclusive games are $110-$120 AUD. So yeah Australia getting fucked for PS5 only games.
This isn’t just with Sony, every company does this especially tech companies and yes this is a problem especially in the UK. Just go to Apple’s website and look at the price of an iPhone then go to the US store and look at the price, you’ll find that every product is jacked up unfairly. Not a single company charges audiences outside the US fairly for any product.
@@Zinitives wow, you’re so smart little guy! “Taxes.” What an intelligent addition!
@@Zinitives taxes don’t cover the markup where apple charges $999 dollars and £999 pounds for the same product.
See there's just something different about Sony. I mean I do sound biased and I'll have to admit I'm an Xbox User, but only for the reason of gamepass. I just don't appreciate how Sony which they have, and clearly have, paid for games not to come to Xbox, until a certain date, and it's usually a year or 2 away from when it releases which is stupid. It is purely anti-competitive and it is fine to have exclusive games, that's probably the only reason people buy a playstation, but it's not right to harm the rights of Microsoft to not be able to have a sustainable buisness model.
@@BlipBlopFlipFlop Dude every single console publisher does that, it's called timed exclusives. I don't like Sony either but it's mind-blowing that people pretend this is unique to Sony now. You aren't the first to say this. Guess Microsoft is shilling hard for the kill. And the idea that Microsoft is not sustainable or somehow losing money is absurd. Sony is much worse off than MS will ever be for the foreseeable future.
Disregard this comment, I'm stupid and can't do math properly
The problem with US to UK price conversion is that, yes, on the surface it seems dumb to say 70 USD gets turned into 70 GPB, but remember that in the UK prices presented to general consumers *must* be inclusive of taxes including the government's own 20% VAT charge. In the US, taxes vary so much by state that this isn't doable and prices are advertised exclusive of taxes.
I'd wager the price parity is actually pretty strong between countries, once you account for those differences.
You don't think they took that into account before filing a $6 billion lawsuit?
@@yasirkadhim2940 I'm responding to the video and a point about pricing made by Moist, not the lawsuit. The lawsuit doesn't bring up the price conversion anywhere. This isn't the 'gotcha' moment you think it is.
In Canada, both Digital and Physical editions of games after taxes from $79.99 is $91.00
I am just glad Charlie mentioned Australia and how this issue is even bigger here. The price of anything remotely tech related is so stupid. GPUs, games, vacuum cleaners, headphones, you name it. To the point Steam deck and vr arent even available here because it wasnt worth it for them as it would cost a ton more. Biggest irony considering Gaben even lives/lived in New Zealand.
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Absolutely, trying to buy a gaming setup here means you need at least 3K here and for some that isn’t remotely affordable
@@I_quit_trolling_now nah
@@16216 what makes it so expensive? is it because NZ/ Australia is kinda remote/far away from US/europe etc? Im really curious.
@@Tenma2411 A lot of it will be shipping fees, yes
I don't think Sony can be held solely responsible but as a gamer who's fed up of the state of monetization in the industry hopefully something good can come of this
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Yes they can.
right. im just glad someones throwing a punch at them to rock that ivory tower a bit and make them think twice about being such greedy exploitative people that dont care about country discrimination an being rip offs
they would have to sue like 9 major companies including Tencent who are so rich they could just make them disappear or buy off the judge lmao and even some minor ones that try to hop on the trend
so my bet is they took all the gamers grief and pointed it at sony because they didnt have any other idea. They will lose the case and will be paying sony for the bad rep
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Before I saw this video, I thought it would be regarding the controller stick shift that suspiciously occurs with every new controller after a while.
It's been said before, but the monopoly claim was referring to the process of buying games/digital items/etc on play station, and that the Playstation Store is the only option available. Basically, this is the same argument towards Apple having a monopoly on iPhones because they required all apps/etc be purchased through their Appstore with Apple getting a cut of all transactions, and no third parties were supported. Their wording could use some improvement, but that seems to be what they were intending in the claim.
This makes better sense
Well yea that’s exactly what they are trying to sue for and of course they ain’t gonna win. The same could be said about the other 2 console makers. Nintendo been charging 60 bucks for old ass games forever. Just the fact smash bros is still 60 bucks on the e shop is pathetic. They will lose. Their argument is invalid
@@Soothsayrtw yea hearing and seeing this website screams like someone heard about nerds wanting to sue nintendo about joyoons having drift, and decided to go after playstation lol
pretty much. sony stopped game codes on their platform and as a result stopped selling digital games anywhere but their digital store. my digital ps5 is barely used. ratchet and clank rift apart is over a year old now and its still full price in the store
@@Soothsayrtw their argument isnt invalid because on xbox i can buy a code for a game online (at CDKeys for example) cheaper than on the xbox store and then activate said code on my account. there is no way to do that on playstation. they axxed digital game codes before the launch of the ps5, which conveniently has a digital only model.
Digital games should cost 15%-20% less then physical games too. Because you're not getting a case or disk,so they are saving money.
Yup, this is like walmart and having self check out. Prices should go down as you have less employees working to check out. Nah increase the prices!
those are like 5 dollars more
@@IAm-zo1bo what do you mean? Why would Digital games cost more when you get less with them?
@@PapiCito didnt say that. But also if that wss the case then no one would buy physical and they would lose money making physical versions
@@IAm-zo1bo you said
"Those are $5 more" what did you mean by that??? And physical games wouldn't just stop making them money dude. They would actually save them money because they wouldn't be making games that just rot on the shelves. And more people would buy their games because now it would be cheaper and easier to get because you just download them from home. And the collector's would still buy physical games dude, so I have no idea why you would think they would lose money
I don't see how this can possibly withstand court
Thing is in the UK if you buy new games physically from somewhere like Game most are about £50, they only go up to £70 for special editions or collectors sets. Plus they drop in price within months of release so I just wait a bit and then buy it
A new PS5 game here in Australia goes for around $125, pretty ridiculous.
don’t buy it then.
@@yoda9256 exactly, don't buy and they wont sell, gotta stop feeding those greedy bastards
Pirate it
@@yoda9256 we shouldn’t have to not buy it just cause they’re greedy it ain’t really fair, but I suppose the US is used to being privileged in that sense
@@Tuna-mayo-sushi What. How people in the US being privileged? We have the same choices buy it or not. AUD is worth less the USD so i'm not surprised Sony uses that as an excuse to jump up prices.
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New games from any store in Canada are $90, and then there's taxes, and trudeau also added an additional tax on all digital purchases. So its getting a little ridiculous.
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I think a lot of people wont be looking up the prices of items in other countries. I'd say its a fair argument to say that people dont realise that they are being overcharged.
I'm from the UK and I didn't even realise I'm getting over charged here
So is Australia. I came across it a while back and was upset, but I’m not Australian
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I have accounts for 3 different regions, Singapore, US and Japan. Most of the time the prices look the same.
In India the new ps5 Spiderman game cost arround Rs.2790 which translates to $34. It does seem unfair that players in UK paying more.
It’s crazy how the vibe of your commentary never changed no matter how literally everything changed. Background, lighting, setup, all the works. But the content vibe itself has never changed. 31 month sub and been watching since the milky nipples Minecraft video 13 years ago. My favorite content creator then and now forever. I’ll cut the simp now lmao
Excuse me... Since which Minecraft video, 13 years ago?
@@ak-jxrdy-7 you act like this isn’t Charles “man of moisture” White’s channel.
I feel like if you've been subbed to someone for that long, you get to redeem 1 simp token LOL you get a pass!!
He used to be a funny game 'lets play through"... He went full Leafywashere now ... :(
Holy shit I literally didn’t realize it changed until just now reading your comment lol
Sony’s GC probably had a good chuckle when they heard of this.
In my country, South Africa, games range from 80 - 87 USD
I've said it for years that game prices are way too expensive, especially now with rising cost of living affecting everyone. Australia's game prices have always been high but in places like India and Brazil, forget about it. You may as well just pirate to save yourself some money. I'd say a lot of prices are governed by import tariffs and such but I'm no expert on the subject. The only way for us to cheat the system with higher game prices is to wait for a deep, deep sale.
@Bruh Bruh ayo
Games have always been kinda expensive though. If you think about it. It is the most revolutionary form of entertainment and is only improving.
There's haptic feedback fk doll video games. Just kidding
@Bruh Bruh get a life
Well from what I’ve seen the prices of games should of risen ten years ago, that’s why company’s essentially feel the need to have a micro transaction system implemented to make money they don’t hit their quotas from just game sales alone they need a system implemented in the game to make money. Problem for me is the pricing and just horrible distribution of them making me not buy at all. I don’t have any respect for a lot of companies the only one so far worthy is Fromsoftware lol
Youre acting like gaming is a necessity. Its a luxery and if you cant afford it then its your own damn fault for not making enough money. Save your money. Stop wasting it on other things if you really feel like you cant live without video game s
“Power to the players like Sony always says.”
Isn’t it GameStop?
Yeah
XD
No shade, but I enjoy how you misquoted him in trying to determine the correct reference ahaha
I love how Charlie quoted "power to the players." As if it were from Sony and not gamestop lol
While not as bad as the situation in the UK, we in Australia get overcharged as well, new AAA games on PS4 are around AU$100 which equates to about US$70, and PS5 games are AU$110-120, which is about US$80
A lawsuit of this caliber is sure to garner some attention, like you said, might be what this is really about.
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Probably nit considering its backing and the representative’s background. Its not just one guy or anything.
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Yeah the moment I read "Sony has a near monopoly," I knew this was just another limp lawsuit going nowhere. The best you could possibly argue and stand a chance in court is the regional pricing differences, but anything beyond that is a shot in the dark. Unless Sony has been intentionally deceptive you don't have much a case, otherwise every casino on the face of the planet would've been sued out of existence decades ago.
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Everyone misunderstands this. The claim isn't that Sony has a monopoly in the digital content market but instead that they have a monopoly on the content being sold to users of their own consoles.
Yep
@@misateki isn’t that the same issue as apple controlling what is on App Store.
@@misateki well no shit. it's playstation, it's sony's walled garden
The reason I think as to why other countries could be paying "More" or possibly some are paying "less" is cause the value of all currency's are different, 1 USD is only .85 pounds over in the UK for example.
In Canada we pay 79.99 for games which works out to just under $62 usd.
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As a person who has to pay a fuck ton for the games here in Australia, I agree, it's out of our control and definitely out of Playstation control for the prices...
@@Isaac-ig9ot actually??
It's the same on Xbox to be honest, not just PlayStation (COD Black Ops is STILL 100$, like what the feck?)
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@@Isaac-ig9ot why would u pay that for a video game? i can get you offline games for free, any old nba game, no mans sky, ect
@@thelvadem5713 nahhhh bro they have to pay for every game Xbox has game pass and I’m on pc and it’s kinda cool but Yh Sony was shitting on game pass and now they want one
They do have influence on prices
In USA we pay $59.99 for most games. Crazy it’s over $20 more for the same game in the UK
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2:30 I think the part you're missing here is that Xbox and Nintendo both allow digital codes redeemable for digital games on their marketplace, to be sold through other retailers like GameStop, Best Buy and etc. Those retailers can and do offer discounts different than any console's online store.
The affect this has on the market is that Sony can charge anything they want for their digital games specifically. So the issue isn't exactly about a monopoly on ALL digital games, it's that Sony has a monopoly on digital Playstation games.
Edited to add - the issue is really ass for anyone that owns a Digital PS5 as they have literally zero choice but to pay what Sony demands. I am no lawyer but THAT is the part I would have focused on.
Tbh, as a Digital PS5 User I just gave up on buying games as all the new ones have such high graphics and stuff that my console becomes a fucking microwave. And, whenever I do buy a game and think “now is a great time to buy it” it’s already completely dead or boring and buggy as hell.
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@@JustPineapple I'm sorry, that sucks. Hope it gets better for you and all the others affected
Don't buy the digital ps5 lol
@@staysolidshades254 What?
Considering that Sony is such a massive company, I don't see them losing. Though, Alex might pull a win on the UK pricing and make Sony properly adjust their prices. Other than that, the other points/claims they made against Sony holds no weight.
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@@I_quit_trolling_now no
Where did Alex mention regional pricing in the lawsuit? Genuinely curious
I mean...Uk gave the Sun the win against Depp, despite all Proof saying the opposite. UK is a real shitpile...
Uhh. Some guys from the UK are already explaining why and how the price is that and its completely even keel with US. they have taxes for digital gaming in the UK, plus added taxes for any currency applied. It comes out to, actually less pound per dollar, but more taxes. So it's actually less beneficial for Sony to sell games in the UK. Lmfao oh my God this is hilarious.
i mean this applies to almost any country, I'm in Canada and during covid the USD to cad was at 1.20cad-$1 USD for a bit this would have the cost be around $84 yet we still paid $90 its just how it is, they don't necessarily make sense but they want exchange rates to work in there favour not yours
has been an issue for years. people in eu know (at least a big majority) that the same exact game is cheaper in us so they make an us account just to buy this and share it with their eu main account
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Throwing everything at a wall and seeing what sticks is a fairly common strategy in court. You dont need to be right on all accords to win a law suit. You can be told 50% of what you said is wrong. But if youre right on 3 major things, sony may still have to pay 2 billion instead of 5
I wonder if it’s bc of publishing rights to the UK or just plain negligence they could get away with
I think the digital content monopoly bit was about psn being the only digital store option on playstation consoles
The thing with this lawsuit is that it only makes sense as a reason to boycott the products that are being overpriced witch would force Sony to lower the price but as a legal case overcharging isn’t really something to sue for because legally they can could charge you as much as they want
I’m not saying Sonys is in the right they should be making the prices equal everywhere but Immoral doesn’t equal illegal
I think its different with monopolies
You missed the point
It’s not the price, it’s monopoly laws
Not necessarily, intentionally increasing prices for one place in the world, for no reason, has grounds for a law suit. Along with all the other shit they've been doing.
@@fredstead5652 not really, regional pricing isn't illegal
Well, a Sony boycott is literally never going to happen. And I mean "literally" as it's supposed to be used. Either because people don't actually care enough to boycott, or because Sony gets money from so much stuff people would be supporting them accidently. Mostly the former. Hopefully I'm wrong and things could improve, but that's a slim chance at best.
One thing that really bugs me about Sony despite me always being a PlayStation user is how they seem to outright REFUSE to fix the services list, every time I try to go into it on my PS4 to see my subscriptions so I can cancel them it’s always “An error has occurred.” and I’ve tried fixing it yet it’s still completely inaccessible. So unless I want to unwillingly keep shelling out loads of money monthly for subscriptions I don’t want anymore I have to manually remove my card information…
i purchased MineCraft from the PS Store a Few days ago (PS5) and it was pretty easy to remove my card information.
That's because ps5 came out they stopped caring about ps4 that's how it's always worked
Did you contact customer service to get it fixed? My only problems with sony at the moment are Refunds being close to the worse they can be and I guess prices could be better.. but dont have any service problem atm.
Contact customer service then. Never happened to me
They don't refuse to fix it, they are just incompetent. Being incompetent is not a base for a lawsuit.
Seems to be a running theme with all these stores being targeted first apple and Google now they are going for console stores, the only thing I don't like with all digital purchases is that you don't technically own anything if the service dies compared to disc based
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"Power to the Players as Playstation says."
Charlie please, that's gamestops slogan 😆😂
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I can slightly see it being easy to confuse with Play has no limits
@@Dgero Isn’t PlayStation’s slogan “Greatness awaits”?
@@volt42re Nah that's the Moby Huge slogan.
@@volt42re it's obviously a terrible slogan if no one remembers what it is lol
I don’t know how Charlie keeps a straight face as he says:
“I decided to spread the cheeks a little further and dig a little deeper”💀
I know right lol
He says it like once a week it’s training lol
he’s definitely said worse, he always says shit like this in his videos
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My eyes are messed up and I thought your headphone wires was hair on my phone so I started rubbing and blowing on the screen confused as hell
70 dollars for a game is too much though. I know it’s kind of beside the point, but it is correct that digital games should be cheaper since they don’t need to distribute and/or make the discs.
40 dollars should be more than enough. In some countries 70 dollars is nearly impossible to pay.
It's really not the same. If your ex breaks all your disks, you can't just go back to Best Buy and ask for a new copy, but you can delete then redownload a digital game. All the servers are not running on rainbows and butterflies.
I agree with the sentiment, but if you're breaking the bank just to buy a game at launch, you have bigger problems than the launch price of video games and should probably just wait for a sale (which literally everybody should be doing regardless of their income if they don't like the launch price of games anyway).
I thought GameStop said "Power to the players" 💀
they do
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It does thought I was the only one to notice this lol
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I love seeing consumers win, and I’d like to see the price for UK digital games to be adjusted, but this is a super goofy lawsuit. Seems like a nothing burger
I mean was this not an issue when games were 60? They still would've been getting overcharged. Plus it's not like PlayStation is the only one doing 70 buck games. Activision and sport games are way worse since they still expect you to spend a whole bunch of money on microtransactions while sony games don't.
They have to riot against taxes, wtf have gaming companies to do with shitty country taxes, this lawsuit is a joke
its not really a "consumers win" scenario. the vast majority of consumers will lose and a few would win a settlement. How do you think Sony would make up for their losses from a settlement? higher prices and fees
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I’m pretty sure just about every game company worth their assets actually gets subsidized from *our* tax money-they claim losses while their CEO takes in multimillion dollar bonuses every quarter. Just look at Activision’s Bobby Kottick, dude’s taken 200 million dollar “bonuses” one year…while of course crying poor and firing 200 employees
Sony et all don’t raise prices because taxes-they don’t pay any, really-they raise prices whenever they think they can get away with it
I just wait for the deals.
I think what you are missing is you have to go after the most vulnerable Monopoly first once the lawsuit is won, then only at that point can you go after Nintendo Microsoft and steam. I see the battle plan they are doing and I don't think people understand how this stuff works. Once and if they win against Sony that gives grounds to go after the other monopolies that is the playbook
But they’re not monopolies. They’re oligopolies at best.
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Amazing how playstation was born from Nintendos refusal to bend on their cartridge monopoly, and now they've become what they once sought to destroy
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That's the dream in the world of capitalism
@@quicklyform5162 I know about the Nintendo thing but not the Sega one, was it the same problem?
@@caco3419 yeah sega literally died a few years later too
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Interesting. I had no idea we paid more in the UK.
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I've actually been wondering about the price politics in different countries. On SteamDB you can compare prices of games, according to the country of purchase. So a game in Argentina would cost me about a fifth of the price when converted to my currency, e.g. Age of Empires 4 would cost 7-8€ instead of 35€ (Euros). Of course this has to do with a lot of things, and I obviously can't simply buy all my games in Argentina, even though I would to save me some bucks. But I can relate that digital games in the respective stores (be it Nintendo or PS Store) always tend to stay more expensive a lot longer than Amazon or physical copies of games would cost me. And even if they go on sale, they're not nearly as cheap as elsewhere. Atleast as long as you don't have an active Ps Plus subscription, it's usually just not worth it.
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You can buy games for cheaper in steam by changing your location... I think Turkey is really cheap
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Isn’t that illegal though? I know it’s illegal for the PlayStation store, so maybe that’s why its a target. But I kinda assume that’s illegal for other platforms to
@@arkanoid2207 you used to be able to do that but it no longer works
@@arkanoid2207 unless you can find someone who actually lives in turkey and will gift you the games
You've been misinformed, the reason games are more expensive in the UK and Scandinavia for example is not because they are overcharging, we have taxes that you guys don't have and that is included in that price, if you were to have those taxes and pay for them the prices for your games would go up as well. This is also the reason why the consoles and even PC parts are more expensive over here as well.
As an example, we have plastic tax and a sugar tax in Sweden as well, which makes all the food more expensive too because tax-prices in our country are included in the price on the shelf, which is different from how it is in the US.
This lawsuit is a joke they have no idea what they are talking about. I'm not saying the lawyers are terrible but they have wandered into an area where they know nothing and are trying to win a case. This won't go well for them.
In Brazil a PS5 game on psstore costs ~R$370, which is a third of the minimum wage.
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If anything comes out of this, I really really hope it's regional pricing like steam, because third world countries have the store prices on US dollars instead of our country's currency, and it does not take into account the taxes that each country could impose on digital sales, making sales in one of these third world countries super low. For example in my country, Argentina, for a $60 game we end up paying the equivalent of $105 because of a combined 75% tax, and of course Sony is not to blame for a county's taxes, but this does affect their sales heavily. Steam knew that and that's why the Argentina Steam store is the cheapest steam store in the world, it's better for business to earn less from lower priced games that earn nothing from overpriced games.
meanwhile in EU it doesnt matter if averagy salary in your country is 800€ or 10 000€
Too bad so sad, that's your government's issue not Sonys, plenty of free games
@@angrygun7826 i mean if they aren't selling as much it ends up being a problem FOR Sony. And they did something as well.
@@carrotsmokingapipe9415 yeah no it doesnt lol, plenty of other people buying them, plus that just hurts the game developers not sony
@@angrygun7826 mf really out here defending sony lmao
I live in the uk and top of the line games used to be £50-£60 max but then suddenly bumped up to £70 as the norm. Personally I just thought the production value of the games got better se they costed more. Another thing is we would have no idea that it’s cheaper in America because we’d have no reason to check American prices.
In Germany we pay 50 to 60€ in stores like gamestop. Digitally I don't know.
People really need to stop confusing "popular platform" with monopoly
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@@thelarget4678 tough
@@thelarget4678 They have more likes than you, so I guess you just ratio'd yourself
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The bigger problem is that functionally it IS a monopoly, just not the pure monopolies of the past that we learn about in school. In the modern day the population and economy is big enough for 3 or 4 massive corporations to share 90% of an industry without any real competition yet because it’s not just one big conglomerate ruling over everything we don’t do anything about it.
Im not an attorney, but I think the reason these cases demand so much right off the bat, is because they are hoping that the company will settle the case for a smaller amount... the higher they make their demands at the start, the higher they hope the company will settle the case at later. If you ask for 60mil, and they try to settle for, say, 30% of that, its still 18mil
True, but I don't you can just say "a trillion", and get a third of that.
I think the big numbers are just a way to get clicks on websites, thus getting more attention
@@noahmay7708 I don't think they pulled the numbers out of thin air though. It must have something to do with how much extra people in the UK have been paying all these years and the $6B is based off that.
Note that UK prices include VAT at 20%.
The conversion rate from GBP to USD is currently about 1.2x.
Therefore, $70 to £70 actually does make sense. (And this is coming from someone who lives in England)
Of course, this defence wouldn't have applied 6 months ago before the conversion rate fell. (Used to be about 1.4x)
They are talking about how on playstation you have to buy in game money on the store and not in the game when on like pc you buy them in game (example warframe platinum is bought on the store on playstation but on pc you buy it in the game and can have discounts from daily log in 75%/50% offs)
I somehow can’t believe things like this still keep going on
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so many bots replying to this oh my god
What in the hell did I stumble upon
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It true, moist made a video about it!
Bruh it's like 120 for a new game here in Australia
Yeah I really don't see that going anywhere, especially since I'm sure Sony can hire some damn good lawyers.