Well…… thanks for the comparison. Definitely the $200 kit had a lot of value in it. Really appreciate the honest “what would you do for $800?” summary. Looking forward to all the future episodes. 👍👍😎👍👍
Thanks for the comparison. I have a 2.5" BDS lift with new springs all around. I added the rear upper control arm spacer from Low-Range and KYB rear shocks, as the BDS shocks were far too stiff. I would recommend this as a good value lift for the Trackers.
@@DeathTollRacing Yes, it included 2.5 inch spacers for the front struts that increase the shaft length. Put them on with loctite and have had zero issues in 2 years. I ended up using fox-body mustang shocks in the rear, as they had the right length for the lightest vehicle I could find.
@@DeathTollRacing I finally got a video up that covers my lift. Hope this is useful info on the other options out there. czcams.com/video/MDMOVbW1C2A/video.html
I'd like some more info on that twin stick. The only one i've seen before merely let's you separate the hi low from the 2x and 4x basically adding the option of 2 lo and 2 neutral
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but the better way to get your suspension measurements is to the center of the hub. Then you don't have to worry about what ground you are parked in or tske into account the tires. Especially if someone else wants to compare it to their build. Just food for thought.
Thanks. You must always be on flat ground for suspension measurements. Regardless of where I measured it from, floor or centerline to a random piece of tape on the fender, the math ends up the same. There are times where you must do as you said and measure from axle center however, but you would still need to be on flat ground unless you are measuring a fixed axle with no suspension.
I lifted my Geo tracker almost 3 inches without a kit. The back tires don't want to go down enough to stay in contact with the ground on two of my trails. I think I need the spacer that goes on top of the rear end for the stabilizer bar in the center. Can someone tell me where I can get the spacer and longer bolts ?
Why would the coil spacers wear any other component faster? The angles of all the steering geometry are the very same. It's also preferable to release the front table mounts at the bushings and the rear arms to prevent binding.....
It’s no “so much” the spacer, it’s that usually a lift is in combination with larger tires, and the rod on the strut is fairly small which flexes significantly (aka “tracker wheel wobble”). The lifted struts have a bigger rod. (The rod in a strut system controls the camber).
I'm considering getting a tracker I already have a samurai. At the moment I was day dreaming about maybe doing a solid axle swap for the front of a tracker that i may get. but if I go check out how much flex my samurai has vs that tracker on the front. then maybe I will forget about a swap. My samurai is on leafs and the front is sort of stiff. Either way thanks for showing how much flex it has. like actually measuring it and showing it.
I think both have their advantages. I really would love to do a real world comparison of equally modded rigs. There are some very obvious wins for both, but who knows. They are both great.
@@sideshow45 yeah I think I might just stick to samurais. I only wanted a tracker because it has a 1.6L and I really don't want to do an engine swap on my samurai. I'm seriously getting an extra vehicle just so I can get random people to go mudding with me lol.
If calmini wasn't such a pain and getting sued by thousands of people I'd suggest their kit. Used to cost about 850 on sale and it had control arms, longer trailing arms, upgraded y link or 3rd link on the rear diff , diff drop and cv spacers.. plus longer springs and struts/shocks. 4xfourart is the cheapest kit with tubular arms now about 1200. The extreme kit moves the front wheels forward about 1.5in to gain clearance needed for 34s. No cutting the front fenders behind the tire
Have you ordered from them? I checked out their website and for 1000 that 3 inch lift looks awesome. Just want to verify before I order cause I don’t want to wind up like thousands of calmini customers
@@daltonharward6499 order a 4xfourart lift kit. It's the best kit available for these and it's about 1300 shipped from turkey to usa. I have one in my 2dr and love it
At the end of the video below. You don’t need to modify your struts. There are cheap adjustable bolts. Links in the description of the video. E4- Geo Tracker $200 2.5" Lift with 235/85r16's (32") Tires, DTR Budget Build 4x4 czcams.com/video/8cK-uHCQZVc/video.html
@@DeathTollRacing It's definately a Geo Tracker. No other brackets . It was the first one I ever had any experience with and just assumed it was stock?! I don't get it.??
Plus like I said my don't have lift at all only more HP torque less weight on 15 x10 wheels and when is bad trails or snow here where I put tires chains or tires straps and I'm talking in the hills of Kentucky Virginia Appalachian mountains trails including Pa NY state and I never had any problems coming out the mud or snow I don't let my frame get over hang but I think the best lift for a Geo tracker is 1 in is enough to have fun and to kp the feather weight body stable in the roads as well trails I think above a inch lift the Geo tracker loose a lot in everything I drove one with 2 in lift and I hated I tell my friend I didn't like it feel like a samurai up there with 31 tires on big difference from my Geo tracker my is stable more fun to drive on trails and streets big difference in my opinion I can't have a Geo tracker that feels like a samurai inside hell no one inch lift I think will be the perfect set up on a Geo tracker is my opinion
Is funny because I build my real strong with little money motor wise and transmission I put a nice cooler no lift at all gd shocks run nice and tied and if I'm going to mud trails or dp snow or climbing I put tires chains or straps and believe me he hustle real well his way out with out forcing the engine and transmission to the limits I don't see the reason for when tires straps and chains made all the reason for any purpose probably I'm wrong for thinking my way but that what I do always to have fun and enjoy my trails if they are hardsh for my Geo tracker
I wish GM would start making the Tracker again. Oh wait, they want to make $80,000 pickup trucks and corvettes. No money in an affordable vehicle under $20,000.
Well…… thanks for the comparison. Definitely the $200 kit had a lot of value in it. Really appreciate the honest “what would you do for $800?” summary. Looking forward to all the future episodes. 👍👍😎👍👍
We have some really good ones in the works! Can you message me on Instagram?
Super informative and entertaining. Keep showing the tracker! Thanks
Will do! I’m in the middle of the transfer case gearing / twin stick now!
Amazing video man.. Always love seeing the tracker
Thanks! That was a fun one.
Honestly the sarcasm alert was much appreciated!
😂
Thanks for the comparison. I have a 2.5" BDS lift with new springs all around. I added the rear upper control arm spacer from Low-Range and KYB rear shocks, as the BDS shocks were far too stiff. I would recommend this as a good value lift for the Trackers.
I looked at that one. I was also curious about it but didn’t see anything to lengthen the front strut. Did yours come with a spacer?
@@DeathTollRacing Yes, it included 2.5 inch spacers for the front struts that increase the shaft length. Put them on with loctite and have had zero issues in 2 years. I ended up using fox-body mustang shocks in the rear, as they had the right length for the lightest vehicle I could find.
@@thisisnotatest2 awesome! That does sound like a great middle ground!
@@DeathTollRacing I finally got a video up that covers my lift. Hope this is useful info on the other options out there. czcams.com/video/MDMOVbW1C2A/video.html
@@thisisnotatest2 nice! I just checked it out. It’s definitely the middle between the 2!
Insane video, thanks!
Glad you liked it!
I just stumbled onto your CZcams channel. I live about 15mins from that ORV park. I’ve been going out there a lot lately testing out my Xterra mods.
Bad ass. It’s great for testing!
I really like this thing! Very cool 😎
Thanks! It makes my face sore driving it. Lol
@@DeathTollRacing Did you know they make aluminum bodies for those things,I think they do anyways
9 Mile ORV Park!I just got a 4 door Tracker with a 16v,has coil spacers and new KYB shocks and struts in the back!Im over in Libby MT.
Right on! will be fun!
I'd like some more info on that twin stick. The only one i've seen before merely let's you separate the hi low from the 2x and 4x basically adding the option of 2 lo and 2 neutral
That’s exactly what this one does. It’s not really much of an improvement other than it shifts between 4wd and 2wd really fast and easy.
I'm not sure if anyone has mentioned it yet but the better way to get your suspension measurements is to the center of the hub. Then you don't have to worry about what ground you are parked in or tske into account the tires. Especially if someone else wants to compare it to their build. Just food for thought.
Thanks. You must always be on flat ground for suspension measurements. Regardless of where I measured it from, floor or centerline to a random piece of tape on the fender, the math ends up the same. There are times where you must do as you said and measure from axle center however, but you would still need to be on flat ground unless you are measuring a fixed axle with no suspension.
On that lift what spring option did you go with there's two
If you use a price of old cambelt around the shock shaft you can clamp that with the grips and it doesn't hurt the shaft
That is a great tip!!!
I lifted my Geo tracker almost 3 inches without a kit. The back tires don't want to go down enough to stay in contact with the ground on two of my trails. I think I need the spacer that goes on top of the rear end for the stabilizer bar in the center.
Can someone tell me where I can get the spacer and longer bolts ?
lowrangeoffroad.com/suzuki/sidekick-tracker-x90-escudo-vitara-sunrunner-1989-1998/suspension/suzuki-sidekick-rear-upper-control-arm-drop-bracket.html
2in spacer 2in body 3rd member spacer kyb shocks 31 tires and good to go
That works I avoid body lifts unless there’s no other way personally, but they work for tire clearance if you don’t want to trim
Why would the coil spacers wear any other component faster? The angles of all the steering geometry are the very same. It's also preferable to release the front table mounts at the bushings and the rear arms to prevent binding.....
It’s no “so much” the spacer, it’s that usually a lift is in combination with larger tires, and the rod on the strut is fairly small which flexes significantly (aka “tracker wheel wobble”). The lifted struts have a bigger rod. (The rod in a strut system controls the camber).
I'm considering getting a tracker I already have a samurai. At the moment I was day dreaming about maybe doing a solid axle swap for the front of a tracker that i may get. but if I go check out how much flex my samurai has vs that tracker on the front. then maybe I will forget about a swap. My samurai is on leafs and the front is sort of stiff. Either way thanks for showing how much flex it has. like actually measuring it and showing it.
I think both have their advantages. I really would love to do a real world comparison of equally modded rigs. There are some very obvious wins for both, but who knows. They are both great.
Cv axles on trackers suck. My buddy breaks both every trip out. Within the first hour . Don't recommend. Build a nice coil front SAS. Frig them leafs.
@@sideshow45 yeah I think I might just stick to samurais. I only wanted a tracker because it has a 1.6L and I really don't want to do an engine swap on my samurai. I'm seriously getting an extra vehicle just so I can get random people to go mudding with me lol.
@@davidcraft4909 where you from? Got a good group of guys I hangout with
@@sideshow45 I live close to Houston TX.
And here's me trying to build a whole Tracker for like $800
🤣🤣🤣
It can be done. The 200$ lift works just fine!
That axle looks nearly in contact of the frame?? ( From this angle) when did they go to that rear suspension??
I’m not sure what you mean, but that’s the first generation suspension. 89-98
Would my GEO Tracker become slower if I lift it and put bigger wheels?
Unfortunately yes.
I'm hoping to get a Geo tracker soon would love to get a suspension lift could I ask where your shop is located?
We don’t do customer builds but do have places I can refer you in Spokane WA!
And you can use ratchet straps to collapse the springs a tad.
Good idea!
Hey what tires do you have. I have 15 inch rims but I’m looking for tires like yours but idk the size
E4- Geo Tracker $200 2.5" Lift with 235/85r16's (32") Tires, DTR Budget Build 4x4
czcams.com/video/8cK-uHCQZVc/video.html
I run 18 psi in my tires on my tracker. Takes the jolts out.
Yeah, they don’t need much air pressure. Depends on the tire too.
I love your work, do you have any Trackers or Samurais for sale?
That one is actually going to be soon. Not sure what I’m going to ask for it yet
@@DeathTollRacing keep me posted please
If calmini wasn't such a pain and getting sued by thousands of people I'd suggest their kit. Used to cost about 850 on sale and it had control arms, longer trailing arms, upgraded y link or 3rd link on the rear diff , diff drop and cv spacers.. plus longer springs and struts/shocks.
4xfourart is the cheapest kit with tubular arms now about 1200. The extreme kit moves the front wheels forward about 1.5in to gain clearance needed for 34s. No cutting the front fenders behind the tire
Agreed. I would love to try out their stuff.
Have you ordered from them? I checked out their website and for 1000 that 3 inch lift looks awesome. Just want to verify before I order cause I don’t want to wind up like thousands of calmini customers
@@daltonharward6499 I haven’t. I would like to try them out though.
@@daltonharward6499 order a 4xfourart lift kit. It's the best kit available for these and it's about 1300 shipped from turkey to usa. I have one in my 2dr and love it
Do you have a vid of how to slot your front struts to adjust camber???
At the end of the video below. You don’t need to modify your struts. There are cheap adjustable bolts. Links in the description of the video.
E4- Geo Tracker $200 2.5" Lift with 235/85r16's (32") Tires, DTR Budget Build 4x4
czcams.com/video/8cK-uHCQZVc/video.html
@DeathTollRacing
My friend did the camber bolts, but it wasn't enough. Even after alignment
Question. Is that consider a 1.5" lift if you did not use the 1" puck??
Yes. You can run it with or without. Unless you need the clearance, I would default to without
Well my wiring harness will be in in 2 days, then Miller Time.
Right on!
What is the full size of those tires?
235/85/16 But you have to clearance for them. See link
czcams.com/video/8cK-uHCQZVc/video.html
What year Tracker is that?? Ours is a 91 and has leaf springs on the rear.???
It’s not supposed too.
It’s an 89
@@DeathTollRacing That's weird. Just how it was when my wife bought it??
@@dandahermitseals5582 probably from a samurai. Just a guess
@@DeathTollRacing It's definately a Geo Tracker. No other brackets . It was the first one I ever had any experience with and just assumed it was stock?! I don't get it.??
New follower here! Building a Geo Tracker and some Thunderbirds right now on my channel!
Sounds awesome. I’ll check it out!
Is that Austin Coulson CZcamsr on the video?
There’s some guy here who says he is. Probably just an imposter. 🤣
@@DeathTollRacing 😂
9 mile orv park in Spokane wa
you got it!
What size tires?
E4- Geo Tracker $200 2.5" Lift with 235/85r16's (32") Tires, DTR Budget Build 4x4
czcams.com/video/8cK-uHCQZVc/video.html
Plus like I said my don't have lift at all only more HP torque less weight on 15 x10 wheels and when is bad trails or snow here where I put tires chains or tires straps and I'm talking in the hills of Kentucky Virginia Appalachian mountains trails including Pa NY state and I never had any problems coming out the mud or snow I don't let my frame get over hang but I think the best lift for a Geo tracker is 1 in is enough to have fun and to kp the feather weight body stable in the roads as well trails I think above a inch lift the Geo tracker loose a lot in everything I drove one with 2 in lift and I hated I tell my friend I didn't like it feel like a samurai up there with 31 tires on big difference from my Geo tracker my is stable more fun to drive on trails and streets big difference in my opinion I can't have a Geo tracker that feels like a samurai inside hell no one inch lift I think will be the perfect set up on a Geo tracker is my opinion
Is funny because I build my real strong with little money motor wise and transmission I put a nice cooler no lift at all gd shocks run nice and tied and if I'm going to mud trails or dp snow or climbing I put tires chains or straps and believe me he hustle real well his way out with out forcing the engine and transmission to the limits I don't see the reason for when tires straps and chains made all the reason for any purpose probably I'm wrong for thinking my way but that what I do always to have fun and enjoy my trails if they are hardsh for my Geo tracker
I wish GM would start making the Tracker again. Oh wait, they want to make $80,000 pickup trucks and corvettes. No money in an affordable vehicle under $20,000.
100% I bought a Jeep Rubicon for a daily, and the damn thing was 60k. I like it, but not nearly that much. It’s supposed to be basic utility.
The negable difference between those set's of suspension was a shock.
I was also very surprised. The low range one definitely feels better, but as far as improvements in capability it was very minor.
is the 200 dollar lift worse than the 829 lift? nope not at all, its all about need, what do you need out of the lift.
I wouldn’t say not at all. The wheel wobble and metal fatigue from it is definitely worth noting.
Subbed my dude🤙🏽 if you want I got some pretty good vids of my 96 Geo tracker on my page 🤙🏽🤙🏽
I’ll check it out!