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- Tesla's European car plant near Berlin has halted production after what police say was a deliberate arson attack cut off its power supply. Local media published a letter from a far-left group claiming it was behind the incident. Tesla CEO Elon Musk has blasted the attack as “extremely dumb” and said losses will be in the hundreds of millions.
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The forest that their occupying is not a Old Growth Forest. It’s a commercial forest that gets planted and harvested on a regular basis.
Yup, the trees are for cardboard. Not an actual forest.
Reminds me of an eco group in the US Pacific Northwest that tried to stop tree harvesting for paper towels and toilet paper not realizing it was constantly replanted for that purpose. Wonder if they did any research to understand what and why they are fighting.
Yep It's a mono culture crop planted for the express purpose of being clear felled.
And the nearby coal plant uses something like one hundred times more water than Giga Berlin.
These are not environmental groups protesting. They are pro fossil fuels industry.
@jpablo700 The real driving force of groups like that is "activity for the purpose of activity" principle.
And their motto definitely might have been "More thinking brings more headache".
Brandenburg has hundreds of hectars of old soviet airports and other military areas from the former communist times which are lost places. They could easily plant some new trees there and give this forest to Tesla.
BTW, that "forest" is a mono-culture tree plantation, not a natural forest.
Just curious is it still being actively harvested or is the company gone?
@@mr.factoid105 I believe it was planted back in the days of the GDR... the socialist dystopia... but the building ground was previously offered to BMW, and there was no resistance back then. This is just leftist stupidity.
And you think pines dont bind carbon? 🤦 By that argument, you can cut down almost every forest in Europe, cuz most of them where planted by humans for economic reasons
%There are no natural forests in Germany, even in more than 90% of the surface of National Parks they harvest wood.
steady grownup forest doesn't absorb carbon in general.... it reaches certain equilibrium in terms of carbon absorbing and exhaustion
"extrem dumm in English means Extremely Dumb..."
Would've never guessed
Ha ha ha
Honestly, you’d be surprised… Mostly, because dumm does not have the same pronunciation as dumb. A lot of English natives would not catch it if they heard it. But yes, written, it is quite offensichtlich.
I tried to order "water" (with a British pronunciation) in the US and nobody understood what I wanted.
@@ClemensLodebecause you probably said Bo’oh oo’wa’er
It's a mono culture crop planted for the purpose of being clear felled. And the nearby coal plant uses something like one hundred times more water than Giga Berlin.
Different problems but problems regardless. And while problem here supplies electricity to citizens, the other one serves absolutely zero value.
"extrem dumm in English means Elon Musk ..."
@@overpope3510Zero value? They produce electric vehicles and actually in quite good quality now (was different in the past). And your power plant is the worst thing ever you could use to produce electricity. What about renewable energy, but I guess you are against windmills in your neighborhood, right? This is typical German thinking and this is just my opinion as a German no longer living in Germany.
Nice try. Logging companies don't plant crops they plant forests. That it's a man-made monoculture doesn't change the fact it's a forest. The fact that it might be intended to be a renewable resource for commercial loggimg purposes doesn't change the fact it's a forest either. Trying to deny it's a forest is silly.
@@cmdrstevemcmaru7417what benefit do the electric vehicles provide when Germany has majorly screwed the pooch to the point that they no longer have access to Russian natural gas to fire natural gas power plants, to provide clean electricity for those electric vehicles, having shuttered their nuclear industry so no longer having that capacity of available to power those electric vehicles, and are now desperately reactivating lignite coal power plants to supplant the grid capacity they've lost due to shuttering those nuclear plants, and it being much more expensive to power natural gas fired plants now. Yeah! You can charge your Tesla up from the coal power plant down the road! Go Germany! The future is here and it's powered by Coal! Get your new electric Tesla and experience the future today! 😂
It’s not a “forest”. It’s a tree plantation. It’s a green desert. The cut downs are for a Kita and train commute areas too. Sections for the factory are already prepared. That “ist extrem dumm”.
Calling it a desert is a stretch. It's monoculture but still holds local wildlife, with the rotation of harvesting being several years it much more beneficial than a field of grain for example. Wonder if the hippies cared about the forest taken down to make their clothes, food and drugs the same way they do about this one.
1. Logic is boring.
2. Think less - have less headache.
3. Activity does not need a real goal.
(The golden rules of a true activist, especially "eco" one)😁
It's not the reputation of Tesla that is hurt, it's the reputation of Germany that is hurt.
Germany hurt themselves when they chased profits to run the country on cheap Russian fossil fuel than investing in their fission plants. This mess is just par for the course for them recently.
@@anydaynow01Plutonium-239 has a half-life of 24,000 years 😅😅😅
@@stylishtundrawhich means it radiates little if it takes that much time to decay.
Also, is it alpha, beta or gamma particles emitted?
It was a Russian attack
This is a very poor piece of journalism. _""And here is a group that has nothing to do with the attacks, but we'll show them anyway while we're not saying the name of the group that has claimed to be responsible for the attack""_ . Your guy in Berlin didn't help with that impression either.
Hey Hey welcome to western main stream media.
@@wsurfer2147 "main stream media" the reason the comment " poor piece of journalism" was made is because this was in contrast to the better mainstream media. Where do you get your information and what would you recommend?
@@wsurfer2147this is why I think eastern media are better
@@yeetboi268What eastern media exactly?
@@superbotnotabot Al Jazeera for one.
Environmental activists??? Stopping coal mines from reopening might be a smarter, and possibly a more useful activity... Just saying...
Then no electricity, back to the Stone Age
Ecoactivism is not about being smart at all☝️
@@messigoals13Thumbs Down; Germany’s switch back to brown coal was extremely ill-advised to begin with. Doesn’t have to be that way. It’s NOT ‘coal or nothing’. False choice.
@@user-vx5vo3gs2w saying that is extremely dumb ☝
how do we *really* know that it's them
So they want us to keep using gasoline?
Didn’t you know that the electric cars power stations also use gasoline? Tell me you knew this. So Electric cars still POLLUTE!!!!
The lady scraping the rotted bark off the tree is terrifying. Terrifyingly inept.
At 4:10 The question should have been "How disruptive is this for Tesla and Germany’s car industry and how damaging could it be for Germany's brand?". These acts are done by Germans and affect brand Germany.
I think makes German seem environmentally conscious and skeptical of this area being used for more industrialization. It's hard to have rational social planning when these companies buy up everything including the politicians
Tesla will move to Poland or Hungary soon. BYD will open its first EV factory in Hungary and now we see why.
Will STAY in berlin. Polen und ungarn. Auch nicht sicher....so there...
Because of low salaries, lax overtime regulation, and weak environmental protection rules?
Hey, maybe they can get the factories from the nordics too after they made the entire northern Europe hate Tesla
Hungary is the GDR of the EU.
@@overpope3510 northern Europe sort of loves Tesla. Perhaps you are from S. America(?)
They have grown men wearing glitter eye shadow hanging out in trees to stop tesla.....smh
Well Tesla is currently stopped, so
@@twestgard2 Sorry if I offended you and all the other men wearing eye shadow.
"extrem dumm in English means Elon Musk ..."
One of those pieces where I just remember that I hate everybody
10 years prison !!!
15 years and longer. It was, by the way, a Russian attack.
If they were really ecowarriors, they would have attacked the so many ICE car manufacturing factories in Germany. This hints at hired actors, sponsored by hostile companies and/or hostile interests, such as Big Oil or rival auto companies. Doesn't make sense at all, especially given that its a monoculture commercial forestry rather than a virigin forest
I agree. VW, and BMW have been constantly caught making lies and cheating on their emissions reduction technology or breaking regulation and getting away with it. You don't see these terrorists stopping production there.
A bunch of eco warriors were protesting wind turbines here a few years ago. I think they complain recreationally.
Musk is supporting Russia, so it could be some anti-Russian person.
That assumes eco warriors are logical or consistent or have any understanding of the world. Most eco warriors just want to feel morally superior and feed their savior-victim complex.
Unions are showing their greed and elitism, take more do less, at everyone else expense.
People are loosing it everywhere.
I love how 10 hippies think they have a saying in where / who builds factories.
They can and already did in Germany. Google Hambacher Forst. And they are one of the reasons why there is no atomic energy production in Germany anymore.
@@sollte1239 true, so dumb has this country become...a joke
Kinda pathetic how you people can't do anything to stop them though. If you really cared you would do something about it. But you dont. Complacent
those 10 hippies are going to put 12000 people on welfare
"extrem dumm in English means Elon Musk ..."
Wonder how often they attacked the german carmakers in all these years on german soil. And how often they attacked them after the dieselgate?
not once
Did she just explained in English what means something in English?
Why anyone would have a business in Europe is beyond me.
DW uses the ‘far-left’ word hidden in the description. A miracle!!!
I was just reading that the Arctic Ocean is expected to be ice free in summer by the early 2030s. Yet somehow “environmental groups” imagine that saving a few pine trees in Germany is helping matters.
It's absolutely beautiful how you can criticise climate change in one breath while also condemning the preservation of renewable plantations in favour of a greenwashed Tesla factory
@@overpope3510 It’s a big picture question. The goal of Tesla is to have a circular economy with renewable energy. While we will need to mine minerals and cut down a few trees here and there we are working towards a day when the minerals will be recycled with renewable energy. Tesla isn’t greenwash. I bet the “activists” drove gasoline powered cars to accomplish their act of eco terrorism.
We don’t know- as a statement of fact- that it was a true ‘environmental group’ behind this. Targeting infrastructure? Against the company that jump-started the planet-wide EV industry? And nothing about the brown-coal burning industry et al? C’mon. My list of suspects put unions and Chinese higher up.
In the US there were signs posted in Glacier National Park by the government stating the glaciers would disappear by 2020. Here we are and the glaciers are fine.
@@dlewis8405the goal of Tesla is making profits without considering the people’s and the environment's needs. grow up stop licking the balls of billionaires
3:06 If water is a human right, then why am I paying for it?
Berlin people will only approve rental apartments, vegan food and public transportation
And raises in unemployment benefits
and high food prices....
What's wrong with affordable housing and public transportation if I may ask?
@overpope3510 if it comes at the expense of people's single family homes and cars , then that's a problem
@@overpope3510 Who pays for that? Companies like Tesla
This is one of the reasons that the Berlin Factory would never catch up with the Shanghai Factory.
Hmmm . . . .
Which reasons do you mean? Human rights? Environmental preservation? Non-corruption?
@@overpope3510 Red tape, idiotic "environmental" opposition, German culture of "nein"- this is not a good look for Germany. Of course other companies will take note
@@overpope3510 It is about deliver good products efficiently through honest and creative work, at which Germany was very good.
BYD choose Hungary as they already know this nonsense is part of German culture now
If I had to guess it sounds like competition funded.
Stopping electric cars will surely help the climate 🤦♂️
Actually it can help the climate, although its a rather indirect argument, that whoever han an EV wont use public transport, so his overall emissions will be actually higher. In my case I generally use a train to commute, and have an ICE car which I use maybe twice a week, if I would own an EV there wouldnt be a point to use the train, I would use the EV, because if I payed for it, then the electricity of what it use makes it cheaper than the public transport, and it will expire in 10 years, so theres no point not using it as much as you can.
Camping in tree's when one is young and healthy enough to be planting them will not either.
Far left? If it was right it would have been "extremist right".
Ecofascists!
“The German government strongly condemns attacks on German infrastructure” 😂 Best joke ever. Last year a drunken guy with a baseball bat managed to cut of the internet for ten thousands of people for weeks. Just imagine how this will go if someone sober is actually trying to disrupt our infrastructure.
It’s really hard to take a guy wearing giraffe print and glitter lashes seriously…
An interesting thought I came across for large backup generators is to get something like propane and natural gas dual fuel generators going. Propane burns cleanly and stores for forever. Propane is normally stored and transported as a compressed liquid, so while not as dense as the more commonly used for this task diesel fuel, it is still cost effective enough for a company to setup descent storage tanks. Natural gas can use existing infrastructure, but if there is a problem with the infrastructure or you just can't get the gas right then and there, the propane tanks can be a fuel source setup in advance when propane is readily available.
The idea here being instead of a small amount of emergency power that is probably putting off some noxious fumes, the whole facility keeps chugging along on backup generators, burning that fuel cleanly. Granted the company needs to see a need for full backup generators.
Lol, in case of an electric outage the first thing which shuts down is the natural gas network, thats perfectly automatic because its kindof dangerous to operate boilers without electricity, thatswhy theres not too much point to make backup generators run on natural gas.
@@gaborrajnai6213 Where I live, I have been through plenty of power outages where natural gas is still there throughout the entire outage. Just take a lighter to the gas stove and I cook my food. So natural gas service seems to depend on a number of factors including locality. There might also be a deal with residual gas pressure in the lines allowing service to still be available for some time after any pumps shut off. However, like you said, you can't absolutely depend on it being there, which is why I mention having on site propane tanks.
Well it works like you know theres the big pipelines like nordtream, where they have 100 Bar pressure, now from these pipelines theres a gas delivery station basically near every city, which put down the pressure depending on the size of the district it serves to 1.5 Bar-0.25 mBbar. The gas delivery station is kindof automatic theres a cromatograph which measures the heating value of the gas, and thatone shuts down the main valve in case of a power outage. From that on it is either directly connected to the consumers if its a low pressure system, or theres a small pressure regulator before the gas metering device. well there are some gas turbines on the mainlinesto maintain pressure, but in general sense these are not used too much, since frictional losses are minuscule compared to the different load requirements of the different gas delivery points, so by a clever system design and building junctions between mainlines the pressure can be maintained without additional pumping.@@ChaJ67
@@gaborrajnai6213 While I am not too sure about all of these numbers in Germany as your distribution pressure sounds kind of low, granted to residential is low and then is regulated down to a very low pressure before going into a home, I think the big thing here is you start off with a high pressure in a centralized system and then things get stepped down through regulators as you branch out. I would think there should not be many places that need power in order for this system to work.
@@gaborrajnai6213 A problem where I live is sometimes major earthquakes cause the gas lines to rupture around town, so then there is no gas pressure.
Man some people are so selfish and don’t look at the big picture.. what these activists are doing is very very selfish
We don’t really know they were ‘environmental activists’. And I don’t think Elon believes they are, either.
Without excusing the arson which was clearly not committed by eco activists; the bigger picture is made up of smaller parts. If you keep sacrificing the environment in order to protect the environment, eventually there will be nothing left to protect. Moreover, electric cars do not really solve any environmental problems and do create new ones. There isn't enough renewable electric power today and expanding renewables as well as the grid to replace fossil energy will take decades, not years. If we replace every car on the road today for an electric one, all this achieves is to slow down the energy transition. What the world needs is good spatial planning so people don't need to drive everywhere. Not cleaner cars, but fewer cars, driving less distance. If we can get cars out of our cities, they will become nicer, safer, quieter, healthier places to live, so more people will be willing to move in within walking distance of where they work, study and shop.
Whats the big picture? Electric vehicles are not environmentally friendly, its a last try by capitalist pigs to make money on a dying planet.
How are they selfish? I don't understand what you think they personally gain?
If you are referring to the environmental activists, i'd have a look at their motivations. I believe they're concerned about water pollution, deforestation and other aspects. Not sure though but worth researching.
Stopping EV production to save the environment, is there any logic to this?
I guess they all want us to walk from now on and nothing else
Electric vehicles used by private people are not good for the environment either. At most public transport could maybe be sustainable, but vehicles for every single human can never be sustainable. Electric vehicles are just an excuse by capitalistic psychos trying to make a quick buck on a dying planet.
If I worked there I would be really angry. Losing my job and all the suppliers too.
I don't understand what you mean. People who work there are still getting paid. You don't loose your job because the factory shuts down for a few days. @Unitedflyier
If such a shut down would actually cost the company hundreds of millions, they would have taken precautions to prevent it. You can't just say that there is a loss of production that cannot be recovered because that is incorrect. Yes, there will be a significant cost for all that were hit with the power loss, but as always ... it is complicated
Are the emergency backup systems for the power, Tesla Megapacks and Tesla solar? Or are they diesel generators?
At that scale a battery pack backup would cost tens or hundreds of millions sooo I doubt it. It's just too impractical to spend so much for a rare event contingency like this one. 99.99% of the time they'll have power from the grid
Even Tesla Megapacks et al are not for days-long backups.
@@tardisgradeuniverse383 well, they already said they lost hundreds of millions, so the battery packs now look cheap.
@@MCPicoli fair point but I'm sure they didn't have eco terrorists on their mind when designing the factory so I don't blame them for not planning for it lol
@@tardisgradeuniverse383 Now they have...
So this is Germany
Several HUNDRED million in damages? Seems a bit ambitious.
Why?
This is more damaging to Germany than it is for Tesla.
It was a Russian attack
To count how much Tesla would lose in sales and tell us it equals their lost profit is also "extremely dumm".
Ohhh Noooo
From what I can see in the video, that is a planted forest - the trees are aligned and there is little ground vegetation. Those trees are planted in order to be chopped down any way. Aren't there better eco-causes to champion in Germany?
They just affected the livelihood of 12,000 employees, and the local economy.
A protest group that objected to This Tesla plant using a large quantity of water ignored a nearby industrial plant that uses over 50 times the amount of water. Also it seems that some of these protest groups that oppose Tesla have had funding from another German car manufacturer. These protesters are being misled and focusing on Tesla for the wrong reasons. Since the first Teslas the current range have much better green credentials including batteries with less rare earth metals and much cheaper and more abundant chemistries. Years ago Tesla started efforts to source what rare metals it needed from ethical sources. Basically a group of people have it in for Tesla but they are using lies and misdirection to prompt these protesters into committing criminal acts. I have gathered these details from sources I trust and can point you towards a CZcamsr called the "Electric Viking" who has covered most of these points. He verifies his content before posting videos and regularly quotes his sources.
Lol I point you to a youtuber called Thunderf00t if you want to know why Musk is a pathological liar.
@@gaborrajnai6213 Lol, and your source is a youtuber with what connection to Musk again?
Do you have a source on the 'funding from another car manufacturer' bit? That's the first time I would have heard of that aspect of the story in particular.
I am sure one of the many videos put up by the Electric Viking included this and VW was named as a secret funder of some activists that targeted Tesla@@Alblaka
Or they don't care for your politics.
You cant fight consumerism with different consumerism. Politics is how they hedd ship
Environmentalists who oppose electric car factory expansion need to get their brains checked out.
WHAT?
Lol they work for vw or bmw and you know it
Its not safe here ON earth
have someone talk about the employee rights in Tesla?
Ummm well I've actually heard that the batteries cost a lot both economically and financially..... So they may actually know WTAF they're talking about
Keep it shut down
Have they not heard what it was like living in the dark ages?
We spent 100+ years with the masses having Cars without them being Electric so don't overstate your case!
There are sure a lot of employees that smoke cigarettes at that factory.
Carbon future
What?????
I always wondered why there are so many reporters with Indian accent in DW news. Is it due to cost effectiveness? Just curious.
just as Tesla was saying that they had to shut down due to supply chain issues.
But they won't attack the other manufacturers ?
ఎహిఫ్ట్ ఇట్ టు ఆసియా వేర్ పీపుల్ డాన్’టీ డు తీసే థింగ్స్
Hundreds of Millions……
I wasn't aware that lithium battery electric cars were good for the environment..
Anyone who has done their research, would agree with you. Also, the lifespan of an EV is typically much less than a petrol or diesel.
member the "arson" incident that Nikola pulled years ago? I SMELL WHAT U STEPPING IN SENSEI !
The criminal justice system has much to answer for and leaves much to be desired. Condemning is one thing, acting is another.
First strikes, noone willing to work and now this😅😅😅😅😅
Those powerlines have a double risk, forest fire and arson/sabotage, its time to go tunnelling for underground powerlines. Makes much more sense. The tunnelling should also include transportation links which can also get sabotaged
Forest fire? What's that? Greetings from Germany.
Seriously, we don't have regular forest fires here.
@@harmless6813Eeeeeeeh, Statista lists 2.200 forest fires in germany for 2022. That's 6 per day, so I'd call that pretty regular. But opposed to countries with the 'regular forest fires' that make the news, Germany is *a lot* more densely settled, and with a well spread network of fire watches. So we have less *massive forest fires that grow out of control* that the media bothers to report on.
Most forest fires are arson, can’t talk about Germany but in my country infrastructure is not so bad as the USA.
@@harmless6813 Funny but you do have forest fires. I lived in the area for a few years. Not only there are fires, there are fires where old war ammo is still stored, which also catches fire. Stop gaslighting.
@@marlan5470You are trolling. Of course there are forest fires; but not at large scales. Neither do we store old war ammo in the forest.
He's got a nice leopard sweater
This is either poorly explained or very dodgy regarding conclusions on who has done it because this explanation barely holds together. Not an engineer but it is a bit weird that gigafactory of such proportions would rely for operations on one power line and few emergency generators? Nobody predicted such scenarios in business continuity plan?
Even hard to believe that breaking 1 powerline leads to losses of 100s of mlns euro. The whole situation looks totally insane.
Triple redundancy doesn't apply to infrastructure, hold up guys now we need backup roads and every room needs an extra sink in case the first blocks
@@user-vx5vo3gs2w4:20 no power no production. Simple math based on the amount of cars that won't be produced in that week it takes them to fix the power.
The math is really dodgy... They added the value of the not produced cars... For sure tesla is not making 100% profit...
@@tomwobus1482 No but they still have to pay the workers even when they are not producing cars.
Tesla where is your solar power supply ???
Large portion Germany’s GDP is the auto industry. Chinese cars are really hurting the car market. Germany needs car production
Nobody will be getting a new milk float anytime soon……thankfully
Wow
Tesla could just use the huge parking lots
The real question here is why isn't the Tesla car plant run by Tesla solar panels?
How is a company selling solar and energy storage so reliant on the grid?
Batteries have a right to defend themselves.
I'm guessing the locals are now going to be somewhat more sympathetic to Tesla when they ultimately expand their factory.
What makes you think that? I don't get the logic here. (I'm a local btw)
Probably fate. Kellner could narrate.
Usually, developed countries like Germany requires restoration there or elsewhere to expand over forests. Am I wrong?
I don't know who is nuttier - the Tesla protesters, or Tesla
cutting down the forest was indeed a big mistake by Tesla, but who benefits from stagnation in the production of electric transport? answer: oil companies
Is this the way forward?😢
This is ironic
A report in Indian-English from Berlin for a German channel news. Why? Just, why?
This is the English language channel of DW. If you want news in German, you came to the wrong place.
American watching from the State of Rhode Island in the U.S.-well done as always DW-concise, and thorough-always impressed that you never miss a question that I'd wished were asked. Much Bravo-Again!
Yo, but not all environmentalists are terrorists.
If this group attacks infrastructure, shouldn't they be classified as terrorists? The loss of power to a large area could have killed people.
Instead of all of these factors all research bound minds creating new energies should join hands and really discover something brilliant with all of new ideas being discovered.
Why isn't the "Giga" factory running on solar and wind power with a battery backup??? Isn't Tesla supposed to be "saving the planet?????
I gotta say, I'm a little confused.
So they have no emergency energy supply system at all? How is that possible, if an electricity outage can cause such such severe issues? I mean, that can happen for all kinds of reasons. Shouldn't they be prepared? Especially in these times, where acts of sabotage are possible for a number of reasons and by a number of 'bad actors'?
im not sure you realise how much energy would factory that produces 1000 cars a day need
Dont he have batterries in those cars? Strange as far as I remember he bragged something that a single one of his cars could power an entire neighborhood.@@xangry2834
They will probably have backup lines incase this happens again, but that will cost alot of money
@@xangry2834
That's their problem. It's idiotic, to have no emergency preparedness at all, for that kind of thing. A single transmitter post (or whatever they are called) was set on fire. That's the kind of thing, that can happen anytime during a storm or such. That's what generators are for. Are you telling me, everyone's favorite genius, Elon f***ing Musk can send people into space, but can't solve that kind of problem?
places like hospital has backup.
places like server rooms also have backup.
but an energy intensive factory is not critical enough to justify a backup.
Tesla open factory in India
Its Monopoly...
Tesla will deduct damages from taxes !
The situation will benefit Tesla !
Electric Vehicles huge con of the 21st century
mmm so how many lithium batteries does this factory and others like it create? yeah, really environmentally sound. actually the whole gamut of accusations make a lot of sense.
Tesla is working intensely with the lithium battery recycling folks. In fact the guy who headed up Tesla’s battery efforts back when started the current leading lithium battery recycling company and is working with Tesla. The vision doesn’t work long-term unless they close the loop.
So weird. Far right or far left?
Far out.
0:30 This might the first time I agree with Musk.
I don't work for Tesla but it seems the Filipino gang has it with Tesla.
Looks like Tesla is NOT well come in Germany. 😭