Not bad for a young fella hey. I grew up around hydraulics but never listened to my dad while he was alive, and now there’s all these questions I have, and this young fella is answering them for me... what a champ
Absolutely great video! You described the problem succinctly with detail and with a demonstration. Leaving little doubt in the observers' mind! Well Done!!
I’m sardinian, here in my country I’m not able to find this kind of video-tutorials in my language, people like you are very usefull also to teach more english to us “the foreigners” ;) bless you
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Nice video. It's very helpful. A month ago, I experienced problem from two of our hydraulic cylinders wiper seal. The seal move out from its groove. Initially, I suspected there is a problem with the alignment or seal design. But later, after thinking and looking for possible cause, I found out maybe the problem is because the flow controller (miter out) at the rod side was throttled or restricted that caused over pressure that pushes the seal out. So, I adjusted the flow controller wider. As of now, I have not encountered the same problem but not 100% if my root cause analysis is correct. Please feel free to give your opinion.
Please tell me how you constructed that test jig. All parts required to build it. Thanks. Great video. I have a Kubota BX24 where the FEL bucket will curl up but when you release the valve handle it quickly drops down.
Hi just came across your channel, I have a question I know probably won't be simple to answer but will see, I have a hitachi ex60-5, the pump is wining only when using the bucket ram, sometimes the when blading the bucket in the ground when you lift the boom up the bucket slaps open, due to this I got the ram resaled but it's still doing this, would it be a control valve?
I was thinking how would you do the load dropping test on a loose ram on the bench. Bloody hell, my eyes were opened. You get 6 out of 4 points for that demo.
Thanks for the video. i would like to know how would you test a cylinder to see if the barrel is faulty? if you have a video of that please share the link. Thanks
Well, this may prove very useful in determining whether my telehandler boom leaking down is a cylinder or a valve to blame. I'm suspecting a valve because there are 4 cylinders to lift the boom, but it is possible that all 4 are leaking slightly I suppose!
Nice, So even if the control valve was leaking would this still conclude that the cylinder is leaking simply by taking off the back port and plugging things off ? Please confirm, thanks
Well if it's the valve, the cylinder would not move now would it ;) Because even after a leak in the valve the oil has no path to the back of the piston .
Is there a situation where this test would fail to diagnose bypass? What if there’s 2 opposing seals on the piston? Could that not create a situation where it would only bypass in one direction?
Would this test work in reverse (capping the retraction port) to retract the piston? It seems unlikely considering your demonstration of surface area, but I’m curious. And would either of these tests work under a load? Please respond. Thanks!
Hi Brando, the test method demonstrated will not work in reverse, as you are relying on the pressure operating on the larger surface area to indicate the bypass A cylinder may be bypassing, but if you use this particular test method when the cylinder is under load, or still mechanically pinned at the cylinder ends, the force created by the fluid leaking around the piston will often not be high enough to move that load - the demonstrate method always gives best results when the cylinder is not mechanically linked to your machine. There are other test methods that can be used to indicate cylinder bypass when the cylinder is still connected. :)
This test will work with either port if both directional seals have failed precisely because the pressure in both ends of the cylinder are equalizing if bypass exists, resulting in an imbalanced force equal to the pressure x the cross sectional area of the rod. It doesn't matter which side the fluid originally came in. If the seals are not sealing, it is the same volume.
looking to make a press for forging and pressing hot steel. air powered hydraulic bottle jack is too slow. I know by going with an electric motor and hydraulic pump like on a piece of equipment, like crane, backoh, ect... is the way to go. any thoughts on how to get 15 to 30 tons of pressure with the speed I see in your vidoes. am I on the right track with electric motor and a hydraulic pump system. does piston size matter on cylinder, and what about motor and pump size. forever grateful M. Weber
Hi Mohamed, the hoses and fittings used on this equipment are quick connect fittings, when disconnected, they are automatically capped/closed to prevent fluid flow. This is explained at the 3 minute mark in the video
I have a log splitter that works perfectly. I wanted to be able to remove the cylinder so that I could move the splitter down a couple flights of stairs. (Basically, I take the splitter apart so that I can manage its weight, all by myself, by taking it down the stairs in pieces.) My solution was to put quick connects onto the in and out ports of the cylinder. The problem I'm having is that the splitter won't work with the quick connects in the line. (Totally locked up... the ram doesn't even move slowly.) Could somebody please explain to me what could be going on here? I'd really like to get this sorted out, as I have to move the splitter semi-regularly. Thank you very much!
The test method should be ok for larger pistons, the same theory applies, that the bypassing fluid goes around the piston, and then acts on the larger surface area, resulting in the cylinder extending
@@EightiesTV Hi,thanks for the infos but still doing it,if has a load on it, works perfect when it comes to a point of free from load i always got air in the cylinder ,i can move by hands about 4 inches ,was wondering if it can comes from my spool valves,its a block of two joysticks, thanks
Is it possible for a double acting cylinder to leak during extend but not during retract? This procedure only test for leaks during retract. How can I test both directions?
some cylinder have two seal .. on for each direction .. so the best way to test that is with a flow meter ... if you put the cylinder at the end of travel .. hold the DCV ... and if there is fluid coming out (or in) your seal is leaking
I have a log splitter that when I hooked it all up the motor starts fine when it's not hooked up to the pump but when I hook it up to the pump involves it down so much that it does not want to start what seems to be the problem here
Spool valve is not dumping the high pressure side into the tank when the valve is in the neutral position. Could be a broken spring or bent spool keeping the valve stuck in forward or reverse.
This guy has the gift of teaching. Thank you!
Not bad for a young fella hey. I grew up around hydraulics but never listened to my dad while he was alive, and now there’s all these questions I have, and this young fella is answering them for me... what a champ
This is seriously the easiest way to check cylinders! Amazing mate!
Thank You for such a well presented video. No fancy moves, just straightforward helpful stuff as always!
Absolutely great video! You described the problem succinctly with detail and with a demonstration. Leaving little doubt in the observers' mind!
Well Done!!
Another great video with simple easy to understand demonstrations thank you
Your clips are very easy to understand even for foreigners like me. Thank you so much.
I’m sardinian, here in my country I’m not able to find this kind of video-tutorials in my language, people like you are very usefull also to teach more english to us “the foreigners” ;) bless you
Brilliant. Man you are really blessed with knowledge and teaching skills.
Amazing to see. Simple but not obvious !!! Thank you
Very useful, thanks a lot for sharing, the presenter is an amazing man, god bless
Best training i have ever attended infact its difficult to demonstrate theory as well practical... which is very well explained and covered
What a great teacher. He's able to show things in such and such a simple manner that it's easy to understand.
Allan Holiday He is. Wish I would’ve had someone like him to learn from back when I started wrenching on heavy equipment.
Very good demonstration and clear simple test. Thanks hips!!!!
Well done presentation. Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Great and clear explanation. Thank you so much.
Great demonstration and very useful - Thank you for sharing.
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Excellent video, worth its weight in gold.
A very clear explanation, thank you :)
I love your teaching my friend ❣️.... Lot of thanks 💕
Great videos! Thank you.
Great,, Very informative and easy to understand. Thanks
Good Test - Thank you!
Brilliant. Waiting for coming Videos.... thanks a lot
Excellent video. Thanks!!
Great job, thank you for sharing!
Fantastic video!
What, why, and how... Excellent!!! Thank You!!!
Thank you very much. Keep up create so easy to understand videos like this
Absolute Genius! well done
Very well explained, Thanks Mate
thank you for your training, plz advise us the leakage criteria as well
Wooow I'll do this on my next troubleshooting job.. Helpfull.... Thanks
thanks
explained very well
This video is very helpful. Thanks for sharing:)
Simply genius at work..
WOW! I LEARNED SOMETHING MORE TO DAY, THANK YOU!
Great video!
Excellent thank you cured a problem for me .
Great teacher, thank you
what a neat trick thank you
Thank you very much for the explanation
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Nice video. It's very helpful. A month ago, I experienced problem from two of our hydraulic cylinders wiper seal. The seal move out from its groove. Initially, I suspected there is a problem with the alignment or seal design. But later, after thinking and looking for possible cause, I found out maybe the problem is because the flow controller (miter out) at the rod side was throttled or restricted that caused over pressure that pushes the seal out. So, I adjusted the flow controller wider. As of now, I have not encountered the same problem but not 100% if my root cause analysis is correct. Please feel free to give your opinion.
That was great
Please tell me how you constructed that test jig. All parts required to build it. Thanks. Great video. I have a Kubota BX24 where the FEL bucket will curl up but when you release the valve handle it quickly drops down.
great video
Hi just came across your channel, I have a question I know probably won't be simple to answer but will see, I have a hitachi ex60-5, the pump is wining only when using the bucket ram, sometimes the when blading the bucket in the ground when you lift the boom up the bucket slaps open, due to this I got the ram resaled but it's still doing this, would it be a control valve?
I was thinking how would you do the load dropping test on a loose ram on the bench.
Bloody hell, my eyes were opened. You get 6 out of 4 points for that demo.
thanks That was great!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well done thanks.
Great info thanks
Right on point, thanks.
Great videos
Brilliant
Great way to test a double acting cylinder, is there a similar way to test a single acting cilinder?
yap pritty good how do I test prortional directional valve
Good job👍
Thanks for the video. i would like to know how would you test a cylinder to see if the barrel is faulty? if you have a video of that please share the link. Thanks
Just what this doctor ordered ,thank you
I think i lost the packing yesterday. I was going to try a different valve in the system which meant disconnecting 4 hoses. Now it's only one. Yaay!
Well, this may prove very useful in determining whether my telehandler boom leaking down is a cylinder or a valve to blame. I'm suspecting a valve because there are 4 cylinders to lift the boom, but it is possible that all 4 are leaking slightly I suppose!
Continue the good job
Makes sense thanks
Very good thank you
Does all the quick connector's leaking valve can survive on working pressure?
Fantastic
Thank you
Thank for that sharing sir.
sir, this test applicable for more than one cylinder/piston more?
Excellent video, very informative and educational.
What's the name of that auto "leak free" fittings?
Just quick connects any hydraulic shop should carry them
can you demo test a pto driven pump which has no leaks full oil but does not operate
boom on backhoe ?
Lot of love
Exelent!
So if there is a cross port check valve included in the circuit before the cylinder, can the cylinder still retract under a weight?
Thanks friend
thanks sir
What happens if a cylinder wont move in either direction when working the valve?
Nice, So even if the control valve was leaking would this still conclude that the cylinder is leaking simply by taking off the back port and plugging things off ?
Please confirm, thanks
Well if it's the valve, the cylinder would not move now would it ;) Because even after a leak in the valve the oil has no path to the back of the piston .
Useful
Thanks 🙏
If you block the piston end. What would the pressure read at the rod and piston. If the cylinder is OK
Is there a situation where this test would fail to diagnose bypass? What if there’s 2 opposing seals on the piston? Could that not create a situation where it would only bypass in one direction?
So a brand new cylinder will not move with this test? You are saying the cylinder you show should be rebuilt?
Would this test work in reverse (capping the retraction port) to retract the piston? It seems unlikely considering your demonstration of surface area, but I’m curious. And would either of these tests work under a load? Please respond. Thanks!
Hi Brando, the test method demonstrated will not work in reverse, as you are relying on the pressure operating on the larger surface area to indicate the bypass
A cylinder may be bypassing, but if you use this particular test method when the cylinder is under load, or still mechanically pinned at the cylinder ends, the force created by the fluid leaking around the piston will often not be high enough to move that load - the demonstrate method always gives best results when the cylinder is not mechanically linked to your machine. There are other test methods that can be used to indicate cylinder bypass when the cylinder is still connected. :)
This test will work with either port if both directional seals have failed precisely because the pressure in both ends of the cylinder are equalizing if bypass exists, resulting in an imbalanced force equal to the pressure x the cross sectional area of the rod. It doesn't matter which side the fluid originally came in. If the seals are not sealing, it is the same volume.
This is a good example of what not to do. Never check a bypass test with the opposite side closed to air.
I bought a valve the hose for the valve is 1/2 but that of the cylinder is small how do I determine the the hose for ut
great ✔✔✔👍👍👍
Bro Where are you from,,
Disconnect both hoses and try to compress cylinder, how far will it move ?
Try same test with piston seal removed, heck, remove piston all together.
Nice 👍
looking to make a press for forging and pressing hot steel. air powered hydraulic bottle jack is too slow. I know by going with an electric motor and hydraulic pump like on a piece of equipment, like crane, backoh, ect... is the way to go. any thoughts on how to get 15 to 30 tons of pressure with the speed I see in your vidoes. am I on the right track with electric motor and a hydraulic pump system. does piston size matter on cylinder, and what about motor and pump size. forever grateful M. Weber
With a 2-stage pump like the ones used on log splitters.
Good education
Very smarts 👍
when you removed extraction port , do you caped it as presented on blackboard
Hi Mohamed, the hoses and fittings used on this equipment are quick connect fittings, when disconnected, they are automatically capped/closed to prevent fluid flow. This is explained at the 3 minute mark in the video
I have a log splitter that works perfectly. I wanted to be able to remove the cylinder so that I could move the splitter down a couple flights of stairs. (Basically, I take the splitter apart so that I can manage its weight, all by myself, by taking it down the stairs in pieces.) My solution was to put quick connects onto the in and out ports of the cylinder. The problem I'm having is that the splitter won't work with the quick connects in the line. (Totally locked up... the ram doesn't even move slowly.)
Could somebody please explain to me what could be going on here? I'd really like to get this sorted out, as I have to move the splitter semi-regularly.
Thank you very much!
Cheers
I am actually hesiitant if you can use this technique for very large pistons. Can it be? Thanks!
The test method should be ok for larger pistons, the same theory applies, that the bypassing fluid goes around the piston, and then acts on the larger surface area, resulting in the cylinder extending
thanks for the video ,would be possible to do a video on how to bleed the air of cylinder, (backhoe) for me
Fully extend, fully retract, repeat several times. Air is gone. No video necessary.
@@EightiesTV Hi,thanks for the infos but still doing it,if has a load on it, works perfect when it comes to a point of free from load i always got air in the cylinder ,i can move by hands about 4 inches ,was wondering if it can comes from my spool valves,its a block of two joysticks, thanks
Is it possible for a double acting cylinder to leak during extend but not during retract? This procedure only test for leaks during retract. How can I test both directions?
some cylinder have two seal .. on for each direction .. so the best way to test that is with a flow meter ... if you put the cylinder at the end of travel .. hold the DCV ... and if there is fluid coming out (or in) your seal is leaking
I have a log splitter that when I hooked it all up the motor starts fine when it's not hooked up to the pump but when I hook it up to the pump involves it down so much that it does not want to start what seems to be the problem here
Please help
Sounds like the oil from the pump is being dead headed causing too much parasitic load for the engine to start.
Spool valve is not dumping the high pressure side into the tank when the valve is in the neutral position. Could be a broken spring or bent spool keeping the valve stuck in forward or reverse.
what makes a cylinder act spongee
kane kane air in the cylinder for one
What about a cylinder that only has one hydraulic hose