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- čas přidán 27. 10. 2023
- There's a lot of talk around whether or not the Era 1 FV4005 in @WorldofTanksModernArmor is balanced. I personally do not think it is unbalanced or out of place. I think it is fine just where it is and in this video I explain to you why I think this.
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If you look at the MoE requirements, you realize that this tank is in fact OP and a statistical outlier. It is not only the hardest tank in all of Era 1 to mark, it also is head and shoulders above 2nd place.
The average damage requirement to 1-mark the tank in 2nd place, the M103A1, is 3560.
The average damage requirement to 1-mark the tank in 10th place, the FV107, is 3239.
This is a avg dmg difference of 321. The top nine most competitive tanks in Era 1, not including the FV4005 at #1, all land within 321 points of average damage per match from each other in terms of 1-mark requirements. They are quite arguably balanced.
The 1-mark requirement for the FV4005 is 3929, which is 369 points above the M103A1 at #2. The FV4005's 1-mark requirements are farther away from the M103A1 at #2 than the FV107 at #10 is. Hell, the 4-mark requirement is 566 points higher than #2!
The FV4005 does more average damage than any other tank in Era 1 for players of all skill levels. It's overpowered, and the only reason it gets to fly under the radar is because it doesn't have carry potential, resulting in it's basic 50% winrate.
TL;DR, this tank RUINS people's games no matter who drives it, the fact that they just released the "Rock Crawler" tank destroyer in Era 2 with the same gun really tells you all you need to know. Unlike it's much more balanced WW2 variant, this tank faces BRAND NEW PLAYERS in Era 1 and almost certainly contributes to the general decline of the state of the game that many long term players complain of. A challenge is only a positive addition to the game if it's FUN, and having to try and trade HE rounds with an FV4005 in Era 1 is nerve wracking at best and a reason to just uninstall the game at worst.
I disagree. It isn't OP, just strong. It barely has the top spot. I personally look at the 4 mark requirements, and the m103A1 is only about a single shot away from taking the top spot. And then many are just right behind it. Plus everyone can get it, it's free and cheap to run. The main issue is starting tanks HP pool and that's it. Raise them out of the 1 shot area and everything is fine.
@@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mv Just because it's free and cheap to run doesn't make it not OP. Plus the issue isn't that it can full health one shot bottom era tanks. It's the fact it can near one shot every tank at era 1 with it's absurd flexibility and get away with its speed
Really bad comparison, you also have to account for the fact this tank has a disproportionally larger games per week than any other tank in era 1. This of course means that the average mark requirement will be pushed up. The facts are the facts and it’s not overpowered at all. It just fills the huge one shot damage power fantasy that everyone aims for, and is a much easier grind comparably to WW2.
It ain't OP. Just a few days ago I did around 11.5 thousand damage combined in the nm-116 9500k ish direct. I can do very well in it most of the time. Is it OP too?. Everything is OP in the right hands.
@@Armchair.extraordinaire-bo5mv Sorry but, "I had a good game in another very strong tank" is not an argument and no, not every tank is OP in the right hands. That's called being a good player
The 4005 is strong no doubt. But the real issue is, the starter tanks health is too low, and that's it. If they all had 1800-2000 HP no one in that era would be one shoted. Hell some of those tanks are actually good, it's just the health that holds them back. What is OP is the ammo cost for the standard and h.e rounds 200 silver for 1100 dmg ROFL.
going to try to remember the he ammo next time. I wrecked one of these just moments ago in my 101. The 4005 is invincible against auto aim. It's target practice if you can hit the broad side of a barn.😎
Say what you want man I do think it's a little op and a little too agile for its size.
It’s routine to see 1-3 per team because players gravitate towards strong tanks. The MOE requirements are high if not the highest of any ERA 1 tank. The fully upgraded mobility is too good. Top speed too high, reverse speed too high, stealth value too high for super tall box TD.
I am so glad that im not the only one that hate and think that this tank does not belong in era 1 😂 no matter what u say riki the tank needs either get move to era 2 or get a big nerf not only me like 80% of the coments in this video agree with the same idea this tank kinda ruins the experience in era 1 for most players
I literally loose 75% of my hit points in 1 shot from this tank nearly every game. I just can’t get any good games because so many of these are on the enemy team. Will take a couple months progress out of era 1
I like it where it is because it's fun keep it 💯
I am sorry. Respectfully, nobody needs to be one shot constantly while learning a game or game mode. The argument might fly somewhat if the 4005 was era 2, and in fact, I think it should be slightly buffed and moved to era 2. But it isn't. It is in era one and is the seal clubber's delight. Whether it is technically OP or not, it is an aberration in game play, it is a feels bad experience, and you really don't learn squat when you have your new tank removed from you in one shot from across the board. There is no counter play to that other than to hide, and that doesn't teach you how to play against literally every other tank. The fact that you need line of site with it makes it slightly better than arty. However, IMO Arty should never have been in the game. It performs the exact opposite function they claim it I there for, and again, feel bad mechanics are not good for any game, video game or otherwise. Challenges are good, but good challenges are good, shit challenges are still shit. 7 shots of HE in an M26 are really sketchy if you are only shooting at 1 4005. One mistake against the 4005 you are dead. They can screw up 7 times and still not be dead depending on your RNG. The Barn will bounce shots, and HE will low roll. You MIGHT bounce a shot of the FV but you probably won't, and most certainly won't bounce the second, and there is no way you will get all of your shots off clean during the reload. WOT is a game where the best players exploit broken game mechanics and the game quickly becomes un-fun for everyone else. Which is a big contributor to why I end up taking more breaks from the game than I do playing it.
The 4005 I’d actually argue brings more balance and skill. It teaches new player not to overcommit but also be patient, use different ammo, how to counter high alpha damage guns and more significantly HOW TO USE YOUR ARMOUR. The 4005 really isn’t that good. Apart from the gun it has terrible dispersion especially while moving, the rounds are painfully slow and can easily get all-inned once reloading. It will easily get destroyed if the driver is inexperienced and will punish those who are inexperienced and make bad positional push plays and don’t use there armour layout properly. The required knowledge and skill ceiling of the game would massively decrease if the 4005 is removed. If anything the object 268 is more op, having better armour, a much higher dpm gun, still having mobile and camo. I would seriously debate this game being good anymore if the Shitbarn is removed, because the amount of players that would get to era 2 and 3 that will not know what to do will skyrocket, and it would be too easy to farm up the puppies in era 1. Normally I hate saying this but if you’re dying all the time to fv4005’s, just get good.
+1 my dude
Definitely OP it should be in ERA 2 along with the FV107.
4005 can outrun, or at least keep up with some of the lights. That doesn't seem right at all. It's way too fast
I agree, too fast and too flexible
Either take wider circles or get close enough to scrape paint and exploit its reload speed
Yes, and use some tactics, work together with your team to take them down. Track them, get behind them, re-teack them, etc
Play warthunder and fight that and see how well crying about it goes for ya I agree with him play every other game that has that tank in it and it one shots does matter how many hit points you have that is a navel cannon it was built to be broken so it should be op
It needs to do more damage tho
bro how to have that purple icon of world of tanks on yout tank, i recently wanted to add it on my tank but i can't find that icon
Hey there demons. It's me, ya boi.
The big problem with the 4005 as it stands is that it's kicking puppies. One HESH round is enough to wipe any bottom of era tank, and some mid-era tanks off the map. It's all good that experienced players can get more experience and figure a way around it, but from a newer players perspective, they load into the game, they die from 1-2 shots by a tank that can run rings around them, get frustrated that they can't make any progress in months because this keeps happening, and they go play a different game. I've been playing this game for 9 long years, and the only reason I haven't given it up yet is because I value what I have gathered over that time too much, and I want to see this game reemerge the brilliant tank game it once felt like, instead of whatever this mess is right now that you're defending. Perhaps I'm just delusional for ever thinking this game was fun and somewhat fair.
I think a good fix would be to move it to era 2, even buffing it if necessary to be competitive there. It'd be the Western Alliance counterpart to the Obj 120. High power gun, good mobility, but absolutely no armour. The difference being the 120 has a quick firing DPM gun, whereas the 4005 has the 183mm deathstar cannon. The tanks at that era actually have the health to take a hit, but it'd still be very punishing to be 2-shotted by a direct fire gun. It'd be fun to give the 4211's something to really fear too. If it has to stay at era 1 though, at least bring back it's 90 degree turret lock. It was increased to 180 degrees years ago to be different to the FV215b 183. Works in WW2 where it has a fair roster to fight. Less so in CW where nothing can punch back as hard.
It's "balanced" yet i have a %90 WR after 81 games and higher avg damage than some of my era 2s. The problem with the shitbarn is it's just way too flexible for a gun of its size
Another thing to note is most players who play the shitbarn are bad and yolo for a single shot. But in the hands of a good player, 10k isn't hard to achieve
So do i think the shitbarn is balanced? Nope
What I often consider this rank being OP; Though it has weak armour especially using HE against! My T95E3 of the same top of era 1 will take 5 to 6 shots of HE to kill a FV4005 but 2 shots of a FVO005 to destroy T95E3., and one of shell to take of 3/4 of T95E3 health., to a T44A it will destroy them in one shot... Nuts.. and the speed with equipment is very good. My opinion it's OP. Not every player likes balanced games, that all tanks in a game are closer balanced I prefer. Nuts.. as things are not so much fun, nor only getting lower xp earning and then combined with RNG.. 🙄
I just had a game in my not fully upgraded Char 40T. I carefully was playing scout position, I encountered another FV4005., I knew there was not much I could do even though I had two medium tank supporting me., I knew they could not survive the FV4005 and T34 supporting., i frew smoke and drowned my tank., as I know FV4OO5 in CW is way op... I do not listen to Riki any longer after 6.0. Best wishes
I just played my T34, I Supported my FV4005 well but it got too large amount of the damage, FK wargaming advi often say, bad balance games and tanks as ever.. no plus two minus two, Riki likes them., I don't., but can do well but not find them enjoyable I prefer closer matched games no cross... play
@@michaelwills543 Lmao, you drowned your tank? Fair enough. Probably more fun than getting one shot and set on fire by a Shitbarn
Pure and simple WG put it in the wrong Era. It should be in Era 2 and would be just an average TD! It’s OP for Era 1…. If you are saying it’s a challenge to beat, then you are saying there’s no OP tank in WOT because you have to rise to the challenge to beat them….i.e 477, weisel, Avre etc. Don’t agree…Era 1 and 3 are a complete fk fest to play in because of WG incompetence of evolving the game for the better!!!
Not balanced in cw in my opinion. They just rock crawler in era 2. Op for 1
I have run this tank a lot. I will admit it is OP as it currently is once fully upgraded. It should not get that last engine upgrade that makes it so quick. Tone down the mobility by just 10-20% and it would be balanced. With its currently mobility it just gives it too much flexibility to evade retaliation shots.
He Riki,
The FV40011 is fine the way it is.
Yea Hits hard but okay that it.
Played yesterday with a mate of my and we ending up 2 vs 3 .
We played a 268 and played my SU and the 3 FV where playing also buy a 3 man squad.
With good Teamwork we finished them off.
I prefer the 268 line.
Leave the FV the way it is
Best regards
How to get this tank
It’s too op needs to have a 40s reload and 500ms velocity shells
So if it's not OP, why are there so often 3-6 of them on each side?
There's a TD contract running right now so everyone is playing the 4005 to progress. The contract ends in about 3 weeks.
The biggest issue for me is it has to much camo because cw tds camo is silly. It is the size of a house and if it fires the whole map should see it. Yes there is no render distance but it should have very bad camo not great camo. Most of the time you are killed by one because it kills you from nowhere. It is balanced in ww2 mode because there camo is bad and there mobility is no where near as good.
Im sorry but this time I don't agree with you. In this era you have tanks with 200 damage and then there is the 4005 with over 1k damage. nearly 3/4 of most era 1 medium tanks in one shot. In every game most people engage first with light tanks then proceed to battle medium tanks while tank destroyers especially the 4005 lay dawn in the back chipping down other players health. So while playing with a m50 sherman ( 1500 health) first you face light tanks then medium and finally the 4005. All you need os one shoot from the 4005 and a shot from any other medium tank and you are toast?
Two shots and its fair? It is overpowered infact thats the reason why in every game you have 3 or more 4005 and rarely 1 object 268 ( which is one of my favourites)
Nice Video, thanks for explanation, greetings Stifler
Love ❤ this upgrade, everybody moaning about it being op when it has zero armour, massive reload, and a massive target making this thing slower and in era 2 it would be destroyed in 2 seconds which will make people mad and they will buff it up hugely and then you will come back again moaning this video is true out play be smarter.
after looking at the stats of era 2 tanks I think it would fit in well but if that comes true and they give it rockets 😂😅
A good player in any tank is a challenge. I love getting a 4005 on the run in any one of my lights. A 4005 kill is a prize in itself. Just like any of the big hitters. Learn to overcome and exploit their weaknesses.
make it miss with a good feint
Have to disagree completely. This tank is OP for what it is going up against. I’m constantly facing 2-3 of these per enemy team. They can hide very well and also fast for what it is. And it does so much damage per shot to low tier tanks you get such shit games you can’t progress. Having the game being a constant uphill battle for new players is not fun or enjoyable. 1v1 you might have a chance but let come to reality how many times are you gonna be 1v1. I’d have fun if the team wasn’t full of these 4005. Having 75% health gone in 1 hit and loose a track and then hit again before I can’t even fire my second shot isn’t not a fun challenge
Wait. Are you saying that WOT isn’t real life?!
I agree the 4005 is fine, I don't have one but they don't bother me cause I know they slap hard but they get slapped even harder because there armour is rubbish. They force you to make choices as well, do I drive out in the open after a tank and risk getting one shot by an Fv or do I stay put and let it go? .
This video isn’t that accurate and that from experience. In a 1v1 against one of those it’s maybe true, but the times I got one shitted on by those barns across the map w/o even seeing them with TW is way too high.
Also not mentioned even once: those fun and engaging games with 6+ of those tanks per team.
It’s interesting to see such opinions from folks that are stating, that things like Wiesel is destroying E3 - those are equally bad.
Un tiro mas y estabas muerto ese m636 era yo😂
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GG
Watch the load screen.
FV4005 on Red. Yes.
I am targeted.
Long aim.
Move. FV4005 has me targeted. What was exposed?
Look at mini map.
Go FV4005 hunting or avoid that area until the end of the game. 0:03
Most players camp in this machine.
Good players don't.
That knowledge along with HE is how you take them out.
Just like RIKI said.
Learn the game.
That starts with the Load Screen.
Totally agree! Only era that's crazy/op at the moment is 3!!
I absolutely agree with you Riki. That is exactly what I have been saying every time WG comes up with a supposedly OP tank. It is a matter of time until players learn how to kill it and that is the challenging part of the game. Players should stop crying all the time.😁😁
It is OP, ruins the game and needs nerfed. Let’s not talk about that there are 7 of these per team.
Just started playing again after like 7 years. Thought we left the herp a derp in that monstrosity of the old game?
I don't need to deal with four 4405s playing none shall pass but like they're medium tanks...
100% agree, I enjoying the challenge. He or Hesh the turret, wait for it to shoot and take it out or get around it. If you make the turret turn it the reticle blooms making it harder to hit you. Try not to get shot by it. I'm having a blast going against it in the 773.
I thought they were op but I've learnt how to get around them more. And I'm an average player. Sometimes you just have to think about how you can deal with it. It's a learning curve.
Cant be bothered anymore, realy its the entire game that has become a shitshow kinda circus with OP prototypes and other crazy vehicles with rockets or flameshooting sticks and machinegun weapons that they use in Star Wars. WG in control
A great video, again, explaining what it is all about in the game. The FV4005 is annoying like the FV107 you just have to learn how to beat them. So GG and happy hunting 😂
The FV is the ultimate seal clubbers tank,i don't care what the apologists say there is no way that this tank should be in era 1 against new players. Move it up to era two with some tweaks and i would have no problem with it. There is no way that this tank in it's current state is good for the health of the game. And this absolutely IS one of the main crutch tanks!
Not op , if you can bait a shot out of it, its an easy kill after that
OK let me start with the fact in almost every game they're are at least two or more FV4005's. It pins everything so your joking about going hull down. You literally could only mention a tank that can "wreck" it. Way to fast. Takes a shot, pops smoke and it's gone before you can get a hit. Normally lurking way out back in pairs or platoons. Top three on a winning team almost always has a Shit barn in it. You praise it for making someone a better player is basically saying it's OP, please don't nerf it, it boost my stats better than any tank. It's not balanced at all, there's normally 3-4 in a match, minimum two, just like the new light tanks everyone just wants to try to circle death bigger slower tanks. Thats another thing needs to be nerfed on the shit barn. Turret turns faster with a massive 183mm gun than some mediums and most heavies. Shot, run, reload shoot again, get the one shot kill on anything that's taken two hits. Hey, at least it makes me a better player from fighting OP tanks all the time 😂😂😂😂
No its op and its the sole reason i am not playing Era 1. The amount of times i have been one shot. You cant even see them most of the timea and it outturns even lights. I am an experienced player and am used to big alpha guns from ww2. Its no all mistakes and learning, there is nothing to learn from being blapped
Game is full of crutches. Arty itself is a crutch for people who can't play. Both 'targeted' (from arty and real tanks) notifications are crutches. Get rid of arty and !targeted, and the game might actually be fun.
I would say not Op'd but i have a huge slice of sympathy to the new era 1 player who gets blatted by one of these - that doesn't help with widening the player base to the game. I get Riki's point on giving player's the harsh lesson of life / experience / challenge, just feel it's a tough lesson for a new player.
Another excellent video mate, I love the 4005 and agree totally that it's not OP. Apart from all the things you mentioned the reload is painful at times and when surrounded by a couple of lights it's toast
FV4005 is not OP, but the AVRE, TARAN, WIESEL TOW, MOLOT are
If the 4005 was op, it would be much easier to play.
That ridiculous alpha is more than balanced out by it's failings, creating the necessity to stay on the ball at all times.
It maybe easy to kill in a 4005, but it's also easier to die in too!
Dear god they still have that horrible UI and HUD, that new crosshair I couldn’t get hey… and I played this game since it’s release on the 360 back in what 2014 I think, 2014 to 2018 or 19 which ever it was was the best time of this game, I wish I could go back 😢