it boggles my mind that there are still academies out there that don't allow leg locks...you're learning how to choke people, break arms, break shoulders, break wrists but God forbid you touch a leg....
many instructors never learned them or are limited with their knowledge in those positions and do not feel comfortable teaching them, they have all these fancy guards that, if leg attacks are allowed they would get submitted easily, go try to do lasso guard with a leg lock guy, if you do not have a really high level lasso guard and amazing grips, they may take your foot home with them. :P You are just handing them everything they need.
Evirthewarrior true! I use leg locks when I know my partners guard is really tricky and I most likely won't be able to pass. leg locks are the most efficient joint locks so why not learn them?
Eric D I think leg locks are frowned upon because it can be devastating to a person personal life if a injury is done to the leg. I personally wouldn't join a gym without them but just be careful using them on your teammates. .
yeah but instead of breakin neck i can walk and do other life stuff with most injuries. except legs and neck. so i think there is a good doubt to do not hard leg locks.
Not defending anyone, but we do only get one perspective. Maybe the student has hurt training partners with them, maybe they don't do it with control and safety. Maybe he can't pass the guard and resorts to things he knows instead of increasing his techniques. I'm all for leglocks, I'd just like to hear both sides. And I also agree with Chewy. Communication is the key in any relationship.
Hey chewie, I have to tell you, the philosophy that you add into your videos is one of my favorite parts of them. It seems almost effortless, and it really shows your great ability as a teacher. Thank you for making quality content for us all!
Hey mate, got a competition in a few hours...just passing to say that i simply love how u're sensitive to others aspects of BJJ that most of people don't. Really like your points and thoughts! B iiiiiiiiiiiig hug from Brazil and i hope one day i can train with u chew!
Joe Rogan had John Danaher on a podcast, and Danaher told a story of talking to Dean Lister and asked why he used leg locks... Lister asked him why would you ignore half the body
Great post Chewey! It sounds like there may be some dogmatic, or maybe even some egoistic issues at his school. Your example of one blocking another's potential is spot on. I think your best guidance was in trying to assuage the relationship with his gym and team; and if in not being able to do that, there are gym's that are open to the interpretation of this martial ART, that would welcome him. Our gym is okay with leg and foot attacks. It's viewed simply as more knowledge. Better to know about it and how to adjust to it; and not know about it and get caught by it. Leg, foot, and wrist attacks are out of Pandora's Box; then cannot be put back in.
i swear i feel like these videos come in my sub box on a personal level. this is exactly me except my coach doesn't mind but my training partners are always giving me shit even tho most of the time i just catch and release for illegal shit. Granted i am a blue belt but the only equalizer i have on the bigger, more experienced guys is my leg lock game. Anyways, love the vids keep it up Chewy
Adam J Equalizer? Lol I feel like ur saying that the only way you can keep up with Bigger & more experienced opponents is by using leg locks is that correct?
Obviously, I can't speak for Adam, but I think I see what he's saying. He may be inferring that leglocks are simply a tool that he has that he has success with. I see it in my gym too. Leg and wrist locks are cool in our gym. Some of the lower belts have picked up on them, and when we get senior belts visiting, the lower belts tend to catch them. And most of the time, the higher belt that got caught is cool with it; but sometimes, the higher belts get upset.
***** Mmm, Idk, if a lower belt were to catch me in a leg lock, I would go ahead and go ballz to wall with em'. It doesn't stoop me down cus of the attitude deal, but it is a lesson to the lower belt, if he expects to start playing with advanced submissions, then expect to play advanced grappling. No holds barred from neck cranking to ugly crossfacing. I would invite them to stand up to go ahead and lift them up for a slam, not because I'm mad, but because leg locking me is a way of letting me know, ur not playing around. But no complaints, cus I won't complain and will have the absolute respect to shake ur hand and say good job for submitting me.
Walking Corpse Brian said what I meant well. I use leg locks as a tool just as any of the upper belts have their range of tools and techniques that work for them. With my body type I find that I'm quite successful with leglocks and upper belts get upset when I catch it on them because they're not used to training them and don't have as good of defenses for leglocks (at least at my academy). Through training leg locks I feel that i can help my team grow and get more exposed to different tools and techniques they may face in competition. I feel like leg locks are no different then an arm bar but the only thing holding the community back is ignorance and lack of understanding. Eddie Cummings says it well in an interview about leglocks somewhere on CZcams forgot the name of the vid but he basically says if one is thoroughly taught a heel hook just as they are thoroughly taught armbars people will be less afraid to train them and ultimately there will be less injuries from them
Adam J Mmm no, leg locks are very different than a arm bar. I can't walk on my arms to school lol, I'm sure some people can, but I can't lol. Leg locks are a very scary thing to defend against, n it's not that higher belts are not used to training them, but it's because we're not expecting them from a white belt or a blue belt, purple belts are usually respectful when it comes to that and even then they don't really go for them unless both are aware that both are going for them.
I have been using leg locks since day one. At first all I knew was the offense side of the leg lock game, which allowed me to recognize when Im caught in one and tap before I get injured. More recently I have learned some good leg lock defense and it has changed my perspective on the game. I find myself letting go of leg locks more readily in favor of more dominant position if it doesn't seem like I have it for sure. They are still valuable tools in my arsenal and I can also use them as a threat to incite a predictable reaction from my opponent.
Fairly new blue belt ... Got told today after a beautiful heel hook ... No heel hooks in the gi... Which was annoying because as a blue im trying to explore new parts of my game and we only do no GI once a week which makes it hard to get decent at leg locks ... Naaah mean? Makes me wanna train at an MMA gym near by with no GI 3x a week
How to TRUST in JIU JITSU ??? I love your videos, Thanks. I'm a recent blue belt. Still find myself using a lot of strength and not technique and because of that gassing out in few minutes. short of breath. exhausted. The other day was sparring with a guy new white belt looked like a body builder, least 40lbs over me, the entire 6 mins were spent on our knees, trying to tip one another over,. back and forth we went struggling he even got to his feet several times trying to push me over,. the timer rang and I felt like I was dieing. but also felt like a failure for not pulling guard because of the fear this new white belt was going to over power me and get better position. so how to I overcome this fear and Trust in jiu Jitsu.?? just flow and not be so tense. when this happens cant even remember technique.
The same thing has happened to me in pretty much Due to a physical limitation I have to modify everything pretty much That's the great thing about your jitsu is you can change it to whatever you need it to be I so good on you 100% I I tend to use a lot of rough logs as I transition into My head coach says it's alright to do that but the people I roll with Don't like it so you even though I use them periodically they're not my primary form of attack And that's what I would say to this guy used them put them in your Arsenal but don't pull them out all the time
The injury part is to be considered, specially a case like mind where living in a developing country, a leg injury would be dramatic and barely impossible to fix right. But it is not the main reason i'm asking white belts or beginners not to use leg locks: they have more important things to focus on... If they start too early leg locks, not only they may risk injuries, but they might ending 'short cutting" their learning and might be obsessed by it and skipping all other fundamentals parts of BJJ !
A straight leg lock is allowed in a white belt competition. I am competing next weekend and use the leg lock set up to get to my x guard, I rarely go for the submission. I also like to play de la Riva and leg locks and knee bars are the only way your berimbolo game will evolve.
I joined a BJJ joint with this same problem. Not only that, but they forbade neck cranks; even when not used directly to submit someone. There's a quirky feature of the locked full guard position, where if you're on top and cup the back of the opponent's head with your hands, pulling towards the center of your chest, while leveraging your elbows against the other person's shoulders; you can stretch the spine to the point of getting a tap. It's a cheeky submission, available about 30% of the time - depending on how confident they are about their own bottom game; that in reality should never work. Many white belts don't understand that if you just open up your full guard, the pressure is no longer there. Also, if you do your back stretches thoroughly and properly, the pressure is mitigated; and you can keep your legs locked in full guard, as it won't be enough pressure to make you actually submit, but it will still be painful. I learned this technique in backyard fightclub in highschool, so that I can force someone to unlock their legs and let me pass into side control; as I had a few months of wrestling at the time, and it was my bread & butter. The 5th degree black belt running the gym told me afterwards that neck crank submissions are forbidden, as well as leglocks. I don't think I'll be going back to any gym that isn't going to teach the entire artform. They were also predominantly lighter weights too, and I was at heavy chonk when I joined.
it's like leaving out ground game as a mixed martial artist: it's a legitimate part of the game, makes no sense to avoid them. the problems occur around the circular logic in avoiding the nasty accidents that occurs with the poorly trained & leglocks: "we don't train them because they're dangerous & because they're dangerous we don't train them".
I think there's another point to consider: even if they allowed him to use leglocks, since no one knows them at the gym (the coach doesn't teach them, and possibly doesn't even really know them) there wouldn't be much point. He'd just get easy taps from people who don't know how to defend them, but this would not improve his leglock game. On the other hand he'd risk neglecting the rest cause he can get taps with those. So either forget leglocks when you train there, or better yet change gym imo.
We practice all types of leg locks from all types of sinful positions at my dojo. I "reap" the knee all the time and no one ever has been hurt by my hand. As long as you don't crank the knee during heel hooks everyone goes home happy! I train differently for IBJFF rules tournaments but i always leg lock when i can. 🙄
Our gym teaches people leg locks at white belt, no reason to shield people from information arbitrarily especially since many tournaments allow some type of leg attack, such as the straight ankle lock now. I see no reason, what-so-ever to stop people from learning them, as long as they are aware of the dangers. Also, do not forgo all other positions, to solely focus on leg attacks, I have met a few people that do that because they have success with it and keep going, ignoring other aspects of their Jiu Jitsu, once they have their guard passed, they get mauled by someone with a good top game.
It's also sort of like learning gun safety. Very dangerous when you're untrained, but if you learn it's mechanics and how to use them safely when you're new, you can have fun with them.
there actually are a variety of good reasons to not do leg locks from white belt. when people are new usually they find one thing that they start to get some skill at first and their game develops from there (this is obviously not 100% of the time but it's often enough that it constitutes a patern) so if the students want to compete and you are planningto compete ibjjf why chance having your number one go to thing be a sub you aren't permitted to use? this single reason alone counters the idea it would be arbitrary to decide against leg locks for white belts. but there are various other reasons.
most whitebelts in my gym dont have issues with the footlocking me included..its all about how you explain it...all of bjj is dangerous if you do it badly..!
My suggestion for whoever asked this question "Sorry sensei Chewy, just my opinion." I think he should train at both gyms, because both gyms have something to offer. I train at a Jiu Jitsu and Judo gym, just cus I like throwing people, it's fun, my Jiu Jitsu gym does Judo also, but not as much, n that's to be expected. I personally love leg locks, I've been doing Jiu Jitsu for a long time, I know how to do simple ones to fancy ones, and some people at my gym jokingly call me the leg lock master. I am banned from doing leg locks unless up against a Brown or Black Belt now. Alot of it has to do with my weight, now, leg locks are very easy to learn, they're easy to do, I wouldn't want anyone under 3rd degree Blue Belt to be doing any leg locks, because I have learned that leg locks are easy but are obstacles keeping you from doing upper body submissions. They're sort of the easy way out. Obviously I don't expect you to be Mr. Money Bags, so if u can't afford to train at both gyms, then simply pick one you like most, cus like Chewy said, ur doing this for yourself, not for anyone else. N don't think of it as saying goodbye to ur friends, keep in touch with them, and just think about the new friends you're gana make. Ur choice, Sambo is one style, Jiu Jitsu is another, both are grappling, n it's not about which one is better, but which one is better for you!
My coach tends to keep the leg locks away from white belts because of the overzealousness they pursue them with. Myself included. He teaches them, but we aren't supposed to use them during rolling till we've been there a while
at my gym we teach them. straight ankle locks anyways since they allow that in ibjjf comps. I don't mind when my training partners do them. just don't be an idiot and be careful etc. I agree you have to learn them eventually. just be smart about it.
Obviously the asker's rank isn't mentioned here. In general, if the individual in question knows the technique and can apply it correctly and the his partner is A. Ok with being leg locked and B. Knows when to tap, I don't see any good reason why a school wouldn't allow leg locks. However, if the person doesn't know the correct technique or is a white belt, I don't want them leg locking me aside from maybe a straight ankle. Similarly, I wouldn't want my students ankle locking them.
I'm a white belt and in gi class I were told not to use leg locks a few times cause I'm still a white belt(about 10-11months) or whatever...but atleast our no gi class has no limit
I go to a college club/ gym and we also don't allow leg locks. It's not that we don't teach them it's that our environment is very open mat and we don't introduce leg locks to students until they've learned partner safety and mat etiquette. That way there isn't someone getting their knees blown out due to inexperience. In order to use them to have to have both people given permission from the coach and sometimes someone supervising.
It's completely about ego. As a brown belt, I don't exactly love getting tapped by a white or blue, but with foot and leg locks in particular, it happens more often than other subs. They're the great equalizer. If an academy is filled with senior people who can't accept getting tapped by lower belts, via foot-locks or anything else, then it's a bad academy, even if the people are nice enough off the mat.
May not hurt to ask your coach why? My coach has showed us lower level white belts some leg locks but explained that they don't like us using them until we are a little more experienced because they are more prone to cause inadvertent injury on opponents.
Imo, leg locks are just too dangerous for lower belts rolling. There is NO play in the knee joint until something breaks, and there is NO pain felt until the break. So the chance of serious injury is far greater than with arm bars and chokes. That is why some academies don't allow leg locks.
Heel hook is the only leg lock as far as I know that fits that criteria. There is plenty of other leg locks, toe holds, calf slicers, achilles locks...
I understand why certain techniques are not allowed for low ranks or certain people to force them to grow but to act like certain techniques don't exist is living in fantasy land. For instance, I understand not allowing low ranks to not to leg locks or neck cranks at first because there's a certain amount of care that needs to be done both when applying them and not being bull-headed when they're applied on you. Or maybe telling a student not to always go for top since his bottom game is lacking.
Barring leg locks in general sounds insane to me. Heel Hooks for beginners is a controversial topic, i dont know what to think on that, because i dont have a sense of the injury rates, etc (I love em though). But no leg locks? At all? Thats dogmatism "Why would you ignore 50% of the human body?" -Dean Lister (to John Danaher)
A lot of people compete in BJJ, (can't estimate percentage), a very small percentage are elite competitors (worlds, nationals, etc), but I guess the majority have to hold down jobs, the problem that was pointed out in our academy with leg locks was, with a broken arm, you can still work, a broken leg, and at the knee, of all places is a really shitty problem, sometimes surgery can be required, long months of rehab, that not everyone can afford, not to mention the need of knee replacement surgery that could come when you grow old (I know, many people don't even think about this), so leg locks are dangerous. A "black belt" in a karate dojo (I used to train karate) hurt my knee trying to sweep me and I sustained an ACL tear, I work cleaning houses and it was a stupid senseless injury done by an idiot who didn't have any business sweeping anyone (he tried to hip throw me, wrongly), so I have my experience. In our BJJ academy, when people in lower ranks ask for legs, they are told to first learn the other stuff (God knows there is a lot to learn) and explained why leg locks are dangerous, blacks and browns leg lock each other, I think, though I don't see much of it. Sometimes when rolling I see the leg in front of me so I go for it, in a single leg guard, as I'm trying to improve my mobility, true, there is a lot to learn!! Thanks for the vid, Mr. Chewy.
A lot of gyms do not practice leg locks because they are afraid of the liability associated with them which is actually miniscule. Go to a gym that teaches all facets of BJJ. Go to new and learn from the Danaher Death Squad guys and in Montreal with Zihabi.
The reason you start on your knees is because you need more space to do takedowns and if your gym is crowded, people can get hurt falling on top of other people. Personally, I love to start standing so this "rule" bugs me, especially when the gym is not crowded.
the most common answers will be that it's too dangerous as a white belt and that ibjjf doesn't allow it for whitebelts. but i think it's way more dangerous to not know how to do (and defend) them and why the fuck would i just learn things that ibjjf allowes? i've never competed in ibjjf! but in submission only and naga tournaments and there you look pretty old without knowing the right defence. and what happens if you become a higher belt and suddenly the people who have drilled it the whole time are allowed to take your feet? man i don't understand this shit... my foot still hurts from the toehold by the way haha (i managed to scramble out and armbar him, has to be said;))
Bauchnabel mit Bart this exactly! At least people should learn defence. so many times have I had people want to roll and get stuffed and tap to a belly down leg lock.
Did he threaten to beat him up or just throw him out of the gym? Those are two very different kinds of "threats"....calling for very different responses.
If you don’t learn leg locks post blue belt you’re missing out. Imagine if you went to a school who didn’t teach maths..whether you like maths or not you’re missing a big chunk of what’s important.
Jack Balmer I was and still am a super huge fan of Elliot's information on training and from what I remember he played football and rugby when he was younger.
Elliott just got too woke for you to handle. He went onto some more "spiritual" stuff which si really psychological/anthropological stuff but he wasn't smart enough to articulate it. Read about joseph campbell's work. Jordan peterson is the modern pop-psy version of it with a focus on religion. If all of that is too complicated then you don't get to rag on Elliot.
I wish my coach wouldn't let me do leg locks, fucking hate them but my coach is a leg lock machine so I have to learn some every once in a while 😂😂 least I have good defense? 🙍 Jk, I still suck 😂😂 you leg lock guys are mega talented, you guys are beasts.
Can you imagine allowing strong but spazzy white belts to use leg locks full force to try to get the win and upper belts being to proud to to tap out..sounds like a recipe for disaster
Relson gracie said he never practiced leg locks and his father never taught tham. they can destroy knee caps and you'll never be the same. relsons son went to a school that allowed them and blew his knee
In my gym all leg locks are fair game except heel hooks. The rule with heel hooks is " catch and release". If you have it you tap for your partner and start over.
let's be logical, the reason why low belts are not allowed is because the legs has few nerve endings compared to the neck or arm, so it usually starts to hurt when it's too late. if the practitioner does not have enough experience to know when to tapout he may get hurt. On the other hand, not using them during the first years helps to improve passing the guard
The complete quote: A living dog is better than a dead lion. Shall a man go and hang himself because he belongs to the race of pygmies, and not be the biggest pygmy that he can? Let every one mind his own business, and endeavor to be what he was made. Why should we be in such desperate haste to succeed, and in such desperate enterprises? If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away. by Henry David Thoreau en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_David_Thoreau
Jiu-jitsu coaches has always frowned upon leg locks. Seen as cheap or dirty.. Lazy not learning to fully pass the guard. Much like face cranks are frowned upon. They are like any other tool in your tool box. As far as being to dangerous. What about neck cranks?? That are taught in bjj.
There's a reason why coaches don't let white belts do leg locks at their gym. The reason is this. People get injured. At my first gym years ago, everyone could do knee bars and heel hooks. But because of pride, thinking they could get out, and not feeling the hold like you would an armbar, lots of guys got hurt, especially from heel hooks. Hurt=no training, sometimes for months. If you're advanced blue+, this of course doesn't apply.
I have to respectively dissagree with your advice here. People forget that most of your grappling arts are sports now days and have rules all different but rules. I am horrible at basketball but if I didn't have to dribble and could tack the other players I would be great at it. But it's basketball not rugby and I can't intergect aspects from other sports to improve my deficiencies in a nother. So IJJBF rules are clear on who and when you can use leglocks. This guy is bringing in leglocks that are perfectly ok in somdo to gain atvantage in his bjj class that doesn't alow leglock. of corse this guy is finding success with leglocks in his bjj class on one there is working on leglocks exept him.
ibjjf isnt the only tournament out there. leg locks have been apart of jiu jitsu since the beginning, also not everybody who trains bjj is going to compete, so why learn a martial art if it eliminates half the body....this is jiu jitsu our whole body is a weapon and their whole body is a target.
My point still stands if the guy asking for advice is going to a place that has one set of rules he shouldn't get bent out of shape that when he goes to a nother place they are going to expect you to fallow their rules. I just wonder if this same guy goes into his somdo class and tries to choke everyone there. Look I am new to bjj but did judo and somdo for a long time along time ago, I could really inprove my situation if I just tent pegged my partners before I started rolling with them but bjj is agenst it and anyway I go to bjj to do and learn bjj not to see what old skills I can import into bjj.
If he's joined a gym that simply doesn't do leg locks, then he has a choice - stay and obey them, or move on. It sounds like this guy is deliberately disobeying rules that have been put in place for a good reason (perhaps only beginners can't do them). I have to say, I don't like the sounds of this guy one bit. I've met too many people who think they know better than their coach, and worse still keep hurting the other students. They're usually not that good but they're determined to do everything full force. The issue is with their ego, not the gym. Frankly I'd be irritated if he kept breaking rules that I had set, and it's a sure-fire way to be the guy that everyone talks about behind his back.
I’ve just started learning leg locks and I couldn’t imagine not doing them. Why would you ignore 50% of the human body? Luckily my coach is a leg lock beast and highly encourages them.
Just go to a gym that meets your needs. Bjj can be so cult like, some of these guys legit treat their bb instructor like a god. When in reality, you are paying for a service.
Thanks bro. I wanna thank my mom for giving birth to me, this wouldn't have been possible without her. I also wanna thank my BJJ coach for getting me into BJJ so that I could be here and watch this video in time.
no leave your gym and learn some fundamental striking. and once you are skilled and can defend against that learn how to grapple. for self defense grappling should be your last resort not primary skill. understanding this may actually save your life one day. dont just try pulling people into guard it may work in competition but not when someone is seriously trying to fuck you up
You're not allowed to do leg locks at my BJJ place just because if you don't control it well enough you can mess up a person's leg. Also, I'm just going to say it now, legs and feet are much more important in life than an arm.
Phillip Gratton Says the purple belt under you, lol Leg Locks are very easy to learn, effective, but they don't take as much skill as submitting parts of the upper body. Don't get me wrong, I love leg locks, but it's much easier for me to get a leg lock than it is to get a Kimura, n that means any leg lock, some fancy ones are a little more challenging, but then they're even easier than the fancy upper body submissions. Conclusion, leg locks do take skill, but not nearly as much as upper body submissions. I wouldn't let anyone under 3rd Degree Blue Belt use Leg Locks, cus I feel like they should first get comfortable with upper body submissions. No lie, constantly doing leg lock submissions makes a grappler a bit lazier.
Hmm... I see what you're saying, although I disagree a bit. You make a valid point, if for no other reason than the legs are a bigger target. BTW, I'm an old fart at age 46, who picked up BJJ in 96. I see leg and ankle stuff no differently from attacking the arms. I "feel" (notice the nuance in not saying I "think) that there is no more inherent danger in attacking legs and feet than there are the arms. Maybe it is because I am old, and been at it a while; but I think that I can apply a foot or leg attack in a more safe, controlled manner than a kimura to use your example. I say that simply because when I've gone after a lower appendage, I have more control of gross motor movement of the limb; and my opponent if I'm attacking an arm, is likely making some explosive move, or a highly torqued move to escape, leaving a higher chance of more harm. Again, just my perception. Now, for the sake of disclosure, I'm a bigger guy (not a fatty mind you! damn good shape for 46! :-) ), so that could have something to do with it. Then again, ultimately, this is an art after all. And art is all about interpretation. Thank for your great post. How dare you be rational. :-)
***** I understand why Leg Locks are scary. Leg locks are more dangerous, arms heal better than legs. That's just how it is. Even Anatomy and Physiology will teach you that, leg locks can become career enders. Also a broken leg is wayyyy tougher to live with than a broken arm. Plus you can still roll with a hyper extended arm, it's hard to roll with a hyper extended knee. You see the problem here??? But hey if a student is ok with leg locks, then they can't complain if they're leg gets caught. The object is tap fast, you can only complain if you tapped and ur opponent didn't let go.
I have to say, that is a damn good point dude. Well played. Physiologically speaking, you are spot on. And I do agree with you in saying that if a lower belt does try to pull that on me, prison rules have been assumed.
Don't touch your teammate's legs, if you do they will automatically melt like frosty in the desert. The Gracies never did them so that means leg locks suck and are ineffective. If you do leg locks then Trump will become president for another term. Don't do leg locks because you will take gold at NAGA and that is reserved for our gym whose core curriculum includes cutting edge leg lock technique development. Don't do leg locks because it means you can't pass the guard and is considered cheating by our Jiu Jitsu founding fathers. Just don't them, stay away from learning them.
Leg lock is legit as fuck and effective...esp for me small dude it's good to use against bigger guys..it's fucking hard to pass a big tough guys guard but leg lock is a legit alternation..
It's also Good for selfdefense(main reason why I train bjj) if in worst senario you got take down on your back then you can use leglock to both sweep and break the fuckers leg..effectively
You must be stupid. Jean Machado said leg locks are dangerous that's why they don't use it in the old days because in the old days if your legs are fucked then you are fucked. You must be a white belt.
it boggles my mind that there are still academies out there that don't allow leg locks...you're learning how to choke people, break arms, break shoulders, break wrists but God forbid you touch a leg....
many instructors never learned them or are limited with their knowledge in those positions and do not feel comfortable teaching them, they have all these fancy guards that, if leg attacks are allowed they would get submitted easily, go try to do lasso guard with a leg lock guy, if you do not have a really high level lasso guard and amazing grips, they may take your foot home with them. :P You are just handing them everything they need.
Evirthewarrior true! I use leg locks when I know my partners guard is really tricky and I most likely won't be able to pass. leg locks are the most efficient joint locks so why not learn them?
Eric D I think leg locks are frowned upon because it can be devastating to a person personal life if a injury is done to the leg. I personally wouldn't join a gym without them but just be careful using them on your teammates. .
cogen651 same argument for rotator cuff injuries. but that doesn't stop instructors from teaching kimuras... but I understand what you're saying!
yeah but instead of breakin neck i can walk and do other life stuff with most injuries. except legs and neck. so i think there is a good doubt to do not hard leg locks.
I rolled with a catch wrestler and I was extremely surprised at how leg locks can come from almost anywhere.
Not defending anyone, but we do only get one perspective. Maybe the student has hurt training partners with them, maybe they don't do it with control and safety. Maybe he can't pass the guard and resorts to things he knows instead of increasing his techniques. I'm all for leglocks, I'd just like to hear both sides. And I also agree with Chewy. Communication is the key in any relationship.
And your not going to hear both sides, so Chewy like anyone can only go by what the kid tells him
But that would also be a reason to learn and teach leg locks, so that they can be done safely.
I would think the fact that they're such hardasses on leg locks are symptoms of a greater problem.
Hey chewie, I have to tell you, the philosophy that you add into your videos is one of my favorite parts of them. It seems almost effortless, and it really shows your great ability as a teacher. Thank you for making quality content for us all!
Ozzy Paniagua my new favorite for sure
so needed to hear this. you came like yoda today! thanks chewy!
Hey mate, got a competition in a few hours...just passing to say that i simply love how u're sensitive to others aspects of BJJ that most of people don't. Really like your points and thoughts! B iiiiiiiiiiiig hug from Brazil and i hope one day i can train with u chew!
yay i got gold medal in both weight and absolute :DDDD
Joe Rogan had John Danaher on a podcast, and Danaher told a story of talking to Dean Lister and asked why he used leg locks... Lister asked him why would you ignore half the body
And its a falsehiid that its dangerous to do but a broken arm fine shoulder dislocated cool but legs noooo
Before you had my view, now, you have my subscription (jk I’ve been subscribed but the philosophy is on point in your vids man)
Great post Chewey!
It sounds like there may be some dogmatic, or maybe even some egoistic issues at his school. Your example of one blocking another's potential is spot on. I think your best guidance was in trying to assuage the relationship with his gym and team; and if in not being able to do that, there are gym's that are open to the interpretation of this martial ART, that would welcome him.
Our gym is okay with leg and foot attacks. It's viewed simply as more knowledge. Better to know about it and how to adjust to it; and not know about it and get caught by it. Leg, foot, and wrist attacks are out of Pandora's Box; then cannot be put back in.
i swear i feel like these videos come in my sub box on a personal level. this is exactly me except my coach doesn't mind but my training partners are always giving me shit even tho most of the time i just catch and release for illegal shit. Granted i am a blue belt but the only equalizer i have on the bigger, more experienced guys is my leg lock game. Anyways, love the vids keep it up Chewy
Adam J Equalizer? Lol I feel like ur saying that the only way you can keep up with Bigger & more experienced opponents is by using leg locks is that correct?
Obviously, I can't speak for Adam, but I think I see what he's saying. He may be inferring that leglocks are simply a tool that he has that he has success with. I see it in my gym too. Leg and wrist locks are cool in our gym. Some of the lower belts have picked up on them, and when we get senior belts visiting, the lower belts tend to catch them. And most of the time, the higher belt that got caught is cool with it; but sometimes, the higher belts get upset.
***** Mmm, Idk, if a lower belt were to catch me in a leg lock, I would go ahead and go ballz to wall with em'. It doesn't stoop me down cus of the attitude deal, but it is a lesson to the lower belt, if he expects to start playing with advanced submissions, then expect to play advanced grappling. No holds barred from neck cranking to ugly crossfacing. I would invite them to stand up to go ahead and lift them up for a slam, not because I'm mad, but because leg locking me is a way of letting me know, ur not playing around. But no complaints, cus I won't complain and will have the absolute respect to shake ur hand and say good job for submitting me.
Walking Corpse Brian said what I meant well. I use leg locks as a tool just as any of the upper belts have their range of tools and techniques that work for them. With my body type I find that I'm quite successful with leglocks and upper belts get upset when I catch it on them because they're not used to training them and don't have as good of defenses for leglocks (at least at my academy). Through training leg locks I feel that i can help my team grow and get more exposed to different tools and techniques they may face in competition. I feel like leg locks are no different then an arm bar but the only thing holding the community back is ignorance and lack of understanding. Eddie Cummings says it well in an interview about leglocks somewhere on CZcams forgot the name of the vid but he basically says if one is thoroughly taught a heel hook just as they are thoroughly taught armbars people will be less afraid to train them and ultimately there will be less injuries from them
Adam J Mmm no, leg locks are very different than a arm bar. I can't walk on my arms to school lol, I'm sure some people can, but I can't lol. Leg locks are a very scary thing to defend against, n it's not that higher belts are not used to training them, but it's because we're not expecting them from a white belt or a blue belt, purple belts are usually respectful when it comes to that and even then they don't really go for them unless both are aware that both are going for them.
I have been using leg locks since day one. At first all I knew was the offense side of the leg lock game, which allowed me to recognize when Im caught in one and tap before I get injured. More recently I have learned some good leg lock defense and it has changed my perspective on the game. I find myself letting go of leg locks more readily in favor of more dominant position if it doesn't seem like I have it for sure. They are still valuable tools in my arsenal and I can also use them as a threat to incite a predictable reaction from my opponent.
Fairly new blue belt ... Got told today after a beautiful heel hook ... No heel hooks in the gi... Which was annoying because as a blue im trying to explore new parts of my game and we only do no GI once a week which makes it hard to get decent at leg locks ... Naaah mean? Makes me wanna train at an MMA gym near by with no GI 3x a week
It all comes down to u and what u want. Bjj is evolving. Learning leg locks will help u out alot
Wise words man. Thank you
This dude’s so wise. Really enjoy this channel 👍🏼
love leg and foot locks. We train Walt Bayless combat jiujitsu at my martial arts gym and it has a big catch wrestling component to it.
Sound advice...as usual.
How to TRUST in JIU JITSU ??? I love your videos, Thanks. I'm a recent blue belt. Still find myself using a lot of strength and not technique and because of that gassing out in few minutes. short of breath. exhausted. The other day was sparring with a guy new white belt looked like a body builder, least 40lbs over me, the entire 6 mins were spent on our knees, trying to tip one another over,. back and forth we went struggling he even got to his feet several times trying to push me over,. the timer rang and I felt like I was dieing. but also felt like a failure for not pulling guard because of the fear this new white belt was going to over power me and get better position. so how to I overcome this fear and Trust in jiu Jitsu.?? just flow and not be so tense. when this happens cant even remember technique.
The same thing has happened to me in pretty much Due to a physical limitation I have to modify everything pretty much That's the great thing about your jitsu is you can change it to whatever you need it to be I so good on you 100% I I tend to use a lot of rough logs as I transition into My head coach says it's alright to do that but the people I roll with Don't like it so you even though I use them periodically they're not my primary form of attack And that's what I would say to this guy used them put them in your Arsenal but don't pull them out all the time
the music I'm hearing seems to be Surreal and the Sound Providers. :)
The injury part is to be considered, specially a case like mind where living in a developing country, a leg injury would be dramatic and barely impossible to fix right. But it is not the main reason i'm asking white belts or beginners not to use leg locks: they have more important things to focus on... If they start too early leg locks, not only they may risk injuries, but they might ending 'short cutting" their learning and might be obsessed by it and skipping all other fundamentals parts of BJJ !
A straight leg lock is allowed in a white belt competition. I am competing next weekend and use the leg lock set up to get to my x guard, I rarely go for the submission. I also like to play de la Riva and leg locks and knee bars are the only way your berimbolo game will evolve.
I joined a BJJ joint with this same problem. Not only that, but they forbade neck cranks; even when not used directly to submit someone.
There's a quirky feature of the locked full guard position, where if you're on top and cup the back of the opponent's head with your hands, pulling towards the center of your chest, while leveraging your elbows against the other person's shoulders; you can stretch the spine to the point of getting a tap. It's a cheeky submission, available about 30% of the time - depending on how confident they are about their own bottom game; that in reality should never work. Many white belts don't understand that if you just open up your full guard, the pressure is no longer there. Also, if you do your back stretches thoroughly and properly, the pressure is mitigated; and you can keep your legs locked in full guard, as it won't be enough pressure to make you actually submit, but it will still be painful. I learned this technique in backyard fightclub in highschool, so that I can force someone to unlock their legs and let me pass into side control; as I had a few months of wrestling at the time, and it was my bread & butter.
The 5th degree black belt running the gym told me afterwards that neck crank submissions are forbidden, as well as leglocks. I don't think I'll be going back to any gym that isn't going to teach the entire artform. They were also predominantly lighter weights too, and I was at heavy chonk when I joined.
it's like leaving out ground game as a mixed martial artist: it's a legitimate part of the game, makes no sense to avoid them.
the problems occur around the circular logic in avoiding the nasty accidents that occurs with the poorly trained & leglocks: "we don't train them because they're dangerous & because they're dangerous we don't train them".
I think there's another point to consider: even if they allowed him to use leglocks, since no one knows them at the gym (the coach doesn't teach them, and possibly doesn't even really know them) there wouldn't be much point. He'd just get easy taps from people who don't know how to defend them, but this would not improve his leglock game. On the other hand he'd risk neglecting the rest cause he can get taps with those. So either forget leglocks when you train there, or better yet change gym imo.
Good music for these videos.
We practice all types of leg locks from all types of sinful positions at my dojo. I "reap" the knee all the time and no one ever has been hurt by my hand. As long as you don't crank the knee during heel hooks everyone goes home happy! I train differently for IBJFF rules tournaments but i always leg lock when i can. 🙄
We cover leg locks from time to time but white belts are told not to do them unless we get the ok
The damage that can be done with a leg lock is pretty extreme. I would say it’s fair to wait until they get more experienced.
Our gym teaches people leg locks at white belt, no reason to shield people from information arbitrarily especially since many tournaments allow some type of leg attack, such as the straight ankle lock now. I see no reason, what-so-ever to stop people from learning them, as long as they are aware of the dangers. Also, do not forgo all other positions, to solely focus on leg attacks, I have met a few people that do that because they have success with it and keep going, ignoring other aspects of their Jiu Jitsu, once they have their guard passed, they get mauled by someone with a good top game.
It's also sort of like learning gun safety. Very dangerous when you're untrained, but if you learn it's mechanics and how to use them safely when you're new, you can have fun with them.
there actually are a variety of good reasons to not do leg locks from white belt. when people are new usually they find one thing that they start to get some skill at first and their game develops from there (this is obviously not 100% of the time but it's often enough that it constitutes a patern) so if the students want to compete and you are planningto compete ibjjf why chance having your number one go to thing be a sub you aren't permitted to use? this single reason alone counters the idea it would be arbitrary to decide against leg locks for white belts. but there are various other reasons.
most whitebelts in my gym dont have issues with the footlocking me included..its all about how you explain it...all of bjj is dangerous if you do it badly..!
@@bigmember5908 Actually, in most competitions these days you can at least do straight ankle locks at white belt (sometimes others as well) so...?
My suggestion for whoever asked this question "Sorry sensei Chewy, just my opinion." I think he should train at both gyms, because both gyms have something to offer. I train at a Jiu Jitsu and Judo gym, just cus I like throwing people, it's fun, my Jiu Jitsu gym does Judo also, but not as much, n that's to be expected. I personally love leg locks, I've been doing Jiu Jitsu for a long time, I know how to do simple ones to fancy ones, and some people at my gym jokingly call me the leg lock master. I am banned from doing leg locks unless up against a Brown or Black Belt now. Alot of it has to do with my weight, now, leg locks are very easy to learn, they're easy to do, I wouldn't want anyone under 3rd degree Blue Belt to be doing any leg locks, because I have learned that leg locks are easy but are obstacles keeping you from doing upper body submissions. They're sort of the easy way out. Obviously I don't expect you to be Mr. Money Bags, so if u can't afford to train at both gyms, then simply pick one you like most, cus like Chewy said, ur doing this for yourself, not for anyone else. N don't think of it as saying goodbye to ur friends, keep in touch with them, and just think about the new friends you're gana make. Ur choice, Sambo is one style, Jiu Jitsu is another, both are grappling, n it's not about which one is better, but which one is better for you!
My coach tends to keep the leg locks away from white belts because of the overzealousness they pursue them with. Myself included. He teaches them, but we aren't supposed to use them during rolling till we've been there a while
at my gym we teach them. straight ankle locks anyways since they allow that in ibjjf comps. I don't mind when my training partners do them. just don't be an idiot and be careful etc. I agree you have to learn them eventually. just be smart about it.
Obviously the asker's rank isn't mentioned here. In general, if the individual in question knows the technique and can apply it correctly and the his partner is A. Ok with being leg locked and B. Knows when to tap, I don't see any good reason why a school wouldn't allow leg locks. However, if the person doesn't know the correct technique or is a white belt, I don't want them leg locking me aside from maybe a straight ankle. Similarly, I wouldn't want my students ankle locking them.
I'm a white belt and in gi class I were told not to use leg locks a few times cause I'm still a white belt(about 10-11months) or whatever...but atleast our no gi class has no limit
Walden. An essential read for a young man.
I go to a college club/ gym and we also don't allow leg locks. It's not that we don't teach them it's that our environment is very open mat and we don't introduce leg locks to students until they've learned partner safety and mat etiquette. That way there isn't someone getting their knees blown out due to inexperience. In order to use them to have to have both people given permission from the coach and sometimes someone supervising.
It's completely about ego. As a brown belt, I don't exactly love getting tapped by a white or blue, but with foot and leg locks in particular, it happens more often than other subs. They're the great equalizer. If an academy is filled with senior people who can't accept getting tapped by lower belts, via foot-locks or anything else, then it's a bad academy, even if the people are nice enough off the mat.
weird almost sounds like old school Korean market school where they are against cross training. thought bjj was different.
Pfft! My coach doesn't allow passing the guard before blue belt.
Wut
May not hurt to ask your coach why? My coach has showed us lower level white belts some leg locks but explained that they don't like us using them until we are a little more experienced because they are more prone to cause inadvertent injury on opponents.
You read Thoreau. Cool! He was such a great liberty minded man.
what's your opinion on the gauntlet?
is there a jiu jitsu pound for pound ranking. I can't find anywhere that says who the top jiu jitsu fighters are I can only find mma jiu jitsu ranking
Any current red, coral, or high black belt
Imo, leg locks are just too dangerous for lower belts rolling. There is NO play in the knee joint until something breaks, and there is NO pain felt until the break. So the chance of serious injury is far greater than with arm bars and chokes. That is why some academies don't allow leg locks.
Heel hook is the only leg lock as far as I know that fits that criteria. There is plenty of other leg locks, toe holds, calf slicers, achilles locks...
I was trying to kneebar people as a whitebelt. Thank God one of our instructors does leglocks lol
Each of us has theyre own personal martial art journey and own goals
I understand why certain techniques are not allowed for low ranks or certain people to force them to grow but to act like certain techniques don't exist is living in fantasy land. For instance, I understand not allowing low ranks to not to leg locks or neck cranks at first because there's a certain amount of care that needs to be done both when applying them and not being bull-headed when they're applied on you. Or maybe telling a student not to always go for top since his bottom game is lacking.
Barring leg locks in general sounds insane to me. Heel Hooks for beginners is a controversial topic, i dont know what to think on that, because i dont have a sense of the injury rates, etc (I love em though). But no leg locks? At all? Thats dogmatism
"Why would you ignore 50% of the human body?"
-Dean Lister (to John Danaher)
A lot of people compete in BJJ, (can't estimate percentage), a very small percentage are elite competitors (worlds, nationals, etc), but I guess the majority have to hold down jobs, the problem that was pointed out in our academy with leg locks was, with a broken arm, you can still work, a broken leg, and at the knee, of all places is a really shitty problem, sometimes surgery can be required, long months of rehab, that not everyone can afford, not to mention the need of knee replacement surgery that could come when you grow old (I know, many people don't even think about this), so leg locks are dangerous. A "black belt" in a karate dojo (I used to train karate) hurt my knee trying to sweep me and I sustained an ACL tear, I work cleaning houses and it was a stupid senseless injury done by an idiot who didn't have any business sweeping anyone (he tried to hip throw me, wrongly), so I have my experience. In our BJJ academy, when people in lower ranks ask for legs, they are told to first learn the other stuff (God knows there is a lot to learn) and explained why leg locks are dangerous, blacks and browns leg lock each other, I think, though I don't see much of it. Sometimes when rolling I see the leg in front of me so I go for it, in a single leg guard, as I'm trying to improve my mobility, true, there is a lot to learn!! Thanks for the vid, Mr. Chewy.
A lot of gyms do not practice leg locks because they are afraid of the liability associated with them which is actually miniscule. Go to a gym that teaches all facets of BJJ. Go to new and learn from the Danaher Death Squad guys and in Montreal with Zihabi.
danaher destroyed his knee
White belt moving above his pay grade?
Maybe try to find a middle ground :
If other teammates are feeling the same , ya'll can have "Leglock Allowed Day"
The reason you start on your knees is because you need more space to do takedowns and if your gym is crowded, people can get hurt falling on top of other people. Personally, I love to start standing so this "rule" bugs me, especially when the gym is not crowded.
/shrug. That's what I was told when I asked if I could start from my feet. I'm not the gym owner and would much prefer it!
And they suck at wrestling in bjj
Do u let ur white or Blue Belts train leg locks?
the most common answers will be that it's too dangerous as a white belt and that ibjjf doesn't allow it for whitebelts. but i think it's way more dangerous to not know how to do (and defend) them and why the fuck would i just learn things that ibjjf allowes? i've never competed in ibjjf! but in submission only and naga tournaments and there you look pretty old without knowing the right defence. and what happens if you become a higher belt and suddenly the people who have drilled it the whole time are allowed to take your feet? man i don't understand this shit...
my foot still hurts from the toehold by the way haha (i managed to scramble out and armbar him, has to be said;))
Bauchnabel mit Bart this exactly! At least people should learn defence. so many times have I had people want to roll and get stuffed and tap to a belly down leg lock.
Did he threaten to beat him up or just throw him out of the gym? Those are two very different kinds of "threats"....calling for very different responses.
Hey a aikedo guy here and I love your videos
If your coach threatens you, leave. Never stay where you are disrespected.
If you don’t learn leg locks post blue belt you’re missing out. Imagine if you went to a school who didn’t teach maths..whether you like maths or not you’re missing a big chunk of what’s important.
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are you related at all to Elliott Hulse at all. ya guys have the same tone of voice in a way.
Yeah this guy is the Elliot hulse of combat sports but like before he went crazy.
chris burns before he went crazy lol. Don't quote me I think Hulse wrestled when he was younger, maybe that's why they have similar mannerisms? :')
Jack Balmer I was and still am a super huge fan of Elliot's information on training and from what I remember he played football and rugby when he was younger.
chris burns yes, if this dude start dropping curse words hello be like Chris Jones from pog
Elliott just got too woke for you to handle. He went onto some more "spiritual" stuff which si really psychological/anthropological stuff but he wasn't smart enough to articulate it. Read about joseph campbell's work. Jordan peterson is the modern pop-psy version of it with a focus on religion. If all of that is too complicated then you don't get to rag on Elliot.
@@xANTHQNY lol you said "woke' cringe.
I wish my coach wouldn't let me do leg locks, fucking hate them but my coach is a leg lock machine so I have to learn some every once in a while 😂😂 least I have good defense? 🙍
Jk, I still suck 😂😂 you leg lock guys are mega talented, you guys are beasts.
....So what if this guy writing in was a two week white belt?
gxtmfa then he's a good 2 week white belt
Can you imagine allowing strong but spazzy white belts to use leg locks full force to try to get the win and upper belts being to proud to to tap out..sounds like a recipe for disaster
Relson gracie said he never practiced leg locks and his father never taught tham. they can destroy knee caps and you'll never be the same. relsons son went to a school that allowed them and blew his knee
In my gym all leg locks are fair game except heel hooks. The rule with heel hooks is " catch and release". If you have it you tap for your partner and start over.
All subs are catch and release
let's be logical, the reason why low belts are not allowed is because the legs has few nerve endings compared to the neck or arm, so it usually starts to hurt when it's too late. if the practitioner does not have enough experience to know when to tapout he may get hurt. On the other hand, not using them during the first years helps to improve passing the guard
Yeah that's cool, don't bother learning techniques that can and will be used on you in competition even at white belt. Genius idea...
my gym allow leg locks, heel hook, toe holds, knee bars etc... but only certain belts can do it and if you're an adult
The complete quote:
A living dog is better than a dead lion. Shall a man go and hang himself because he belongs to the race of pygmies, and not be the biggest pygmy that he can? Let every one mind his own business, and endeavor to be what he was made. Why should we be in such desperate haste to succeed, and in such desperate enterprises? If a man does not keep pace with his companions, perhaps it is because he hears a different drummer. Let him step to the music which he hears, however measured or far away.
by Henry David Thoreau
en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_David_Thoreau
Jiu-jitsu coaches has always frowned upon leg locks.
Seen as cheap or dirty..
Lazy not learning to fully pass the guard.
Much like face cranks are frowned upon.
They are like any other tool in your tool box.
As far as being to dangerous.
What about neck cranks?? That are taught in bjj.
Sounds pathetic to me!! Imagine going to a boxing gym and being threatened to be expelled for using an overhand right. Ridiculous
Not being allowed to do body shots.
Lucas King not being allowed to do any shots!!
You’re like the American John Danaher...
Find a real Jiujitsu gym. Done ✅
There's a reason why coaches don't let white belts do leg locks at their gym. The reason is this. People get injured. At my first gym years ago, everyone could do knee bars and heel hooks. But because of pride, thinking they could get out, and not feeling the hold like you would an armbar, lots of guys got hurt, especially from heel hooks. Hurt=no training, sometimes for months. If you're advanced blue+, this of course doesn't apply.
I have to respectively dissagree with your advice here. People forget that most of your grappling arts are sports now days and have rules all different but rules. I am horrible at basketball but if I didn't have to dribble and could tack the other players I would be great at it. But it's basketball not rugby and I can't intergect aspects from other sports to improve my deficiencies in a nother. So IJJBF rules are clear on who and when you can use leglocks. This guy is bringing in leglocks that are perfectly ok in somdo to gain atvantage in his bjj class that doesn't alow leglock. of corse this guy is finding success with leglocks in his bjj class on one there is working on leglocks exept him.
ibjjf isnt the only tournament out there. leg locks have been apart of jiu jitsu since the beginning, also not everybody who trains bjj is going to compete, so why learn a martial art if it eliminates half the body....this is jiu jitsu our whole body is a weapon and their whole body is a target.
My point still stands if the guy asking for advice is going to a place that has one set of rules he shouldn't get bent out of shape that when he goes to a nother place they are going to expect you to fallow their rules. I just wonder if this same guy goes into his somdo class and tries to choke everyone there. Look I am new to bjj but did judo and somdo for a long time along time ago, I could really inprove my situation if I just tent pegged my partners before I started rolling with them but bjj is agenst it and anyway I go to bjj to do and learn bjj not to see what old skills I can import into bjj.
If you only knew the reason behind the leg lock bias...
Pedro Vilella BJJ yeah after 15 years of training, black belt and his own school, he doesn't know the history....
Tell him they don’t work
If he's joined a gym that simply doesn't do leg locks, then he has a choice - stay and obey them, or move on. It sounds like this guy is deliberately disobeying rules that have been put in place for a good reason (perhaps only beginners can't do them). I have to say, I don't like the sounds of this guy one bit. I've met too many people who think they know better than their coach, and worse still keep hurting the other students. They're usually not that good but they're determined to do everything full force. The issue is with their ego, not the gym. Frankly I'd be irritated if he kept breaking rules that I had set, and it's a sure-fire way to be the guy that everyone talks about behind his back.
I’ve just started learning leg locks and I couldn’t imagine not doing them. Why would you ignore 50% of the human body? Luckily my coach is a leg lock beast and highly encourages them.
shit I look *exactly* like you lol
Just go to a gym that meets your needs. Bjj can be so cult like, some of these guys legit treat their bb instructor like a god. When in reality, you are paying for a service.
I love leg locks.the devils bjj. Lol
leave bro
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Nik Tavakolian congrats
Thanks bro. I wanna thank my mom for giving birth to me, this wouldn't have been possible without her. I also wanna thank my BJJ coach for getting me into BJJ so that I could be here and watch this video in time.
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Nik Tavakolian 😂
if you don’t know leg locks you’re gonna suffer against even white belts who know them
no leave your gym and learn some fundamental striking. and once you are skilled and can defend against that learn how to grapple. for self defense grappling should be your last resort not primary skill. understanding this may actually save your life one day. dont just try pulling people into guard it may work in competition but not when someone is seriously trying to fuck you up
lol no one asked anything in regard to striking. He didn't even mention self defence, so why are you patronizing him.
You're not allowed to do leg locks at my BJJ place just because if you don't control it well enough you can mess up a person's leg. Also, I'm just going to say it now, legs and feet are much more important in life than an arm.
leg locks take no skill... anyone can dive at a leg.
Phillip Gratton So says the white belt.
Phillip Gratton Says the purple belt under you, lol Leg Locks are very easy to learn, effective, but they don't take as much skill as submitting parts of the upper body. Don't get me wrong, I love leg locks, but it's much easier for me to get a leg lock than it is to get a Kimura, n that means any leg lock, some fancy ones are a little more challenging, but then they're even easier than the fancy upper body submissions. Conclusion, leg locks do take skill, but not nearly as much as upper body submissions. I wouldn't let anyone under 3rd Degree Blue Belt use Leg Locks, cus I feel like they should first get comfortable with upper body submissions. No lie, constantly doing leg lock submissions makes a grappler a bit lazier.
Hmm... I see what you're saying, although I disagree a bit. You make a valid point, if for no other reason than the legs are a bigger target. BTW, I'm an old fart at age 46, who picked up BJJ in 96. I see leg and ankle stuff no differently from attacking the arms. I "feel" (notice the nuance in not saying I "think) that there is no more inherent danger in attacking legs and feet than there are the arms. Maybe it is because I am old, and been at it a while; but I think that I can apply a foot or leg attack in a more safe, controlled manner than a kimura to use your example. I say that simply because when I've gone after a lower appendage, I have more control of gross motor movement of the limb; and my opponent if I'm attacking an arm, is likely making some explosive move, or a highly torqued move to escape, leaving a higher chance of more harm. Again, just my perception. Now, for the sake of disclosure, I'm a bigger guy (not a fatty mind you! damn good shape for 46! :-) ), so that could have something to do with it.
Then again, ultimately, this is an art after all. And art is all about interpretation.
Thank for your great post. How dare you be rational. :-)
***** I understand why Leg Locks are scary. Leg locks are more dangerous, arms heal better than legs. That's just how it is. Even Anatomy and Physiology will teach you that, leg locks can become career enders. Also a broken leg is wayyyy tougher to live with than a broken arm. Plus you can still roll with a hyper extended arm, it's hard to roll with a hyper extended knee. You see the problem here??? But hey if a student is ok with leg locks, then they can't complain if they're leg gets caught. The object is tap fast, you can only complain if you tapped and ur opponent didn't let go.
I have to say, that is a damn good point dude. Well played. Physiologically speaking, you are spot on.
And I do agree with you in saying that if a lower belt does try to pull that on me, prison rules have been assumed.
Don't touch your teammate's legs, if you do they will automatically melt like frosty in the desert. The Gracies never did them so that means leg locks suck and are ineffective. If you do leg locks then Trump will become president for another term. Don't do leg locks because you will take gold at NAGA and that is reserved for our gym whose core curriculum includes cutting edge leg lock technique development. Don't do leg locks because it means you can't pass the guard and is considered cheating by our Jiu Jitsu founding fathers. Just don't them, stay away from learning them.
Gracies never taught that leg locks are "ineffective." They aren't taught to lower belts as a matter of safety for the students.
Leg lock is legit as fuck and effective...esp for me small dude it's good to use against bigger guys..it's fucking hard to pass a big tough guys guard but leg lock is a legit alternation..
It's also Good for selfdefense(main reason why I train bjj) if in worst senario you got take down on your back then you can use leglock to both sweep and break the fuckers leg..effectively
You must be stupid. Jean Machado said leg locks are dangerous that's why they don't use it in the old days because in the old days if your legs are fucked then you are fucked. You must be a white belt.