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My guy gave me a little exercise that will help. Just dry firing, put an empty case on your slide or wherever there's a flat spot. Aim, squeeze the trigger until the hammer falls (or pin strikes) and that case should NOT fall off. If it does, the act of squeezing the trigger is moving your aim BEFORE the bullet leaves the gun. I did that just sitting on the couch "firing" at the TV. Did it until the empty case stayed upright. Next morning did it again for an hour then went to the range and live fire. Folks, the muscle memory will remain. Just try it. It worked wonders for me. It eliminates that flinch and anticipation when you pull the trigger.
Bro, I just got the same advice a frw days ago from a buddy that learned it in the Army.
That's not a good exercise for pistols..That's something that people brought over from the rifle training and tried to make it work. It's a great training event to do, but doesn't work that way for pistols..Difference being that you do it for a rifle because it's a shot laying down in the prone and you have the rifle supported by bipod, tripods, sandbags, etc...Then you put the dowel rod down the barrel and put the dime on the rod..So the only movement you get is from the trigger squeeze. The dime or washer falls off the rod if you jerk the trigger..With pistols you have no support for the firearm so you could drop the bullet case just from arm movements instead of focusing on just the trigger action
Straight up. Our Drill Sgts would use coins but same concept.
Good stuff , thanks for the comment
We used a dime, on our rifle, in the military. Keeping a dime on a round barrel became easy.
If you consistently shoot a tight pattern, regardless of group placement, then the problem is with your sights, not your grip.
Wrong. That just means your mechanics are consistent. You can "squeeze" the gun consistently instead of pressing the trigger which results in. I shoot good groups consistently, BUT they are slight low and slightly left. My sights are on, I am just struggling with not torqueing my hand when engaging the trigger.
@@pickledcottoncandy A number of things can affect bullet placement, including ammunition, grips, and misaligned sights. I have experienced all three, but the last is the most difficult to overcome, which is why I recommend using adjustable sights. If this doesn't fix the problem, then get a replacement handgun.
@@pickledcottoncandy I forgot to mention that if you are torquing the pistol, you might be able to correct it with a good trigger job.
Hands Paul a pistol actually sighted in to shoot low and left, sits back with popcorn and watches the madness begin. đ€Ł (Spot on advice.)
thats just evil lol!
@@SprayNpreyT Yeah, I luv it.
Bet he wouldn't need the sights with his muscle memory
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Paul makes something so simple seem simpler.
Canât wait to take a class with him.
JW, we were blessed to host a class with Paul here in Maine in 2022 and were planning for another for summer 2023. He and his A.I. Sam Houston weâre absolutely awesome instructors. Sam should absolutely have his own slot as lead instructor. The amount of easy learning, drills and passed off knowledge was mind bending during an AAR.
You will Not be disappointed. Take a class with Paul. The BEST four days of ma life, in my journey to be a better protector! Awesome training session. Take lunch with ya!
@@MRPosserLivestreams thanks and yeah Iâve heard good things about the classes with Paul and WPS in general. And like other tactical classes there usually isnât anywhere to grab lunch close by Iâm sure.
*Low left*⊠is it me or my sights?⊠*goes prone*⊠yep itâs me.
I can't believe people do these things instead of tightening up on the fundamentals. Muscle memory without shooting has helped me exponentially, I practice the fundamentals without needing to go to the range. When I do go shooting, it shows in my placement and grouping. Handle your carry gun daily
It's always easier to pretend a problem doesn't exist. Technique takes time. It bears fruit and it costs time and effort. Some people aren't willing.
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Time to move him up to a size Medium shirt! Love the videos fam! â€
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That's a schmedium--If you look juicy in a schmedium, rock it...
And here I thought he had just put on one of John's shirts. Then again maybe he did and now John has an extra large shirt for himself, since Paul might have stretched it out a bit.
A retired Ranger buddy of mine does this. So frustrating! Thanks for the share!!
Great content! Thank you WPS!
I thought I was just incompetent when I was shooting super low with my p365xl, but after having multiple other people shoot my gun who are former LEO/military, we realized the gun's sights were off. Make sure it really is your fault and not the gun's, lol. Will save you a lot of frustration.
Fundamentals are so important, but also check your sights. Was shooting to the right (no elevation change) with my friend's new m&p shield plus at the range. Didn't give it much thought cause I was fine with every other handgun I shot that day. Well he texts me later, turns out the people he bought it from put night sights on it and didn't tighten the set screw so the sights were off. Rare case but it can happen
Great advice. Take the class! You won't be sorry. It was well worth my time and money.
Thanks for the advice/help!
EXCEPT when your sights are actually off from the factory! My last Glock 43 and the last Sig P320 both required the sights to be drifted out of the box. You could visibly see how far off the front sight of the Sig was. It had been over inserted into the dovetail. On the Glock the rear sight was under inserted. I have other pistols from both of those companies that were flawless but sometimes guns are assembled on Friday afternoon guys!
I drop a laser round in every new gun, then compare the beam against the sight
Very good policy with the laser. I just bench rest my carry ammo and do 2 or 3 five shot groups. Then drift the sight appropriately. Then never think of it again. Itâs just weird though recent Iâve had two brand new guns in the past year that were both visibly way off. Factory elevation was perfectly fine but dang when your front sight isnât even lined up with the barrel there is a problem.
Sometimes the firearm isn't shooting straight. I had a G22 gen4 issued to me in 2014, it was hitting very far left. The rep came out and test fired it. We found it was hitting 2-3 inch left at 10 yards. That was a manufacturing defect. Not two different shooters getting the same result. Often the shooter is the problem but sometimes the firearms are not zeroed
Exactly my friend
Well said thank you.
During covid, I was at a loss for a range to shoot at. I heard about Mantisx and bought in. It's an accelerometer that attaches to your gun and tracks each movement, even micro movements during your draw stroke, target acquisition , trigger pull & follow through. This system rocks, and will help with this problem, and others...It's like a personal shooting coach.
Thank you so much!!!!
I think, first, it makes sense to bench test the pistol to make sure the sights actually to put bullets where they should, THEN adjust your technique.
Great advise, keep up the good work, God blessđȘđȘđđ
Great video great advice thanks t
Smashing the trigger will do it everytime. I still do it from time to time. great video BG
Steady Position, Good sight picture/sight alignment, proper breathing and trigger squeeze!
That is very useful thanks.
"There's something wrong with this gun!" Ha ha. I've heard it so many times.
Man I wish I could post a picture here..I bought an M&P 2.0 a couple years back to play around with and Iâm ashamed to admit I didnât even notice that the front sight was literally hanging off the right side of the pistol..in a row of steel at 15 yds I was always shooting the target to the left of my aim I took one look at the gun and about died laughing
My police trade in glock which actually has messed up barrel.đą
When I get lazy at the range I have a tendency to shoot to the left. I shake it off and get back to it and wake myself up and realize what Iâm doing.
I bought a Ruger Redhawk in .44 Mag for a steal back in 2010. Got it home and it was shooting 7" low and left. I adjusted the rear sight and have enjoyed that gun ever since. Dude that sold it to me cheap must have had one helluva flinch!
Praise Father Yah for strong men and men of valor to train us for the offense to come.
Why not come to the offense, seize the momentum through surprise :v
He blatt!!
Praise yah
My Ruger SR40C has a flat/rounded back strap. When I first shot it, I was off to one side. I switched the back strap to flat, took it to the range again, and I was spot one. Your grip counts so much in fixing issues.
Big facts đŻđŻ
Until you get that pistol that made it to the shelf that mechanically shouldn't have and no matter how many people (right and left handed) that test it the shots still all go to the same side. I've seen it before (ironically in a glock). Went left no matter who shot, large sample size too including dominant hand, single hand and supported, as well as a large skill level spread. Shot a different pistol and everybody was dead on centerline again. Sometimes, on rare occasion, it actually is the gun. But thats why its important to test and vet tools.
Mounted in a pistol clamp, still left⊠seen it.
I used to own a glock 23(out of a total of 2 glocks and 5 other handguns) that my fundamentals were bad on. Point of impact was always low and left. My fundamentals were just fine on the rest. Other guys I shoot with forgot all of their fundamentals when shoot that specific handgun, as well, but were able to regain them when they fired different guns.
Yes and Amen
While staying in the Florida Keys in the 80s, a hurricane went over Cuba and when it got to Key West, within 30 minutes it made a 90 degree turn and went straight up the keys. I turned off the radio when it was at Key West thinking it was heading straight north...what a surprise.
Yea⊠Iâve been there
âI think my gun is offâ
Can I try?
Sure
Plink! Plink! Plink!
Guns fine, thanks for letting me try it.
Thank you for making a video about this. I shoot low and to the left a lot (often with good grouping) and have been working on more drills to stop. I know adjusting the sights off zero isnât the solution.
Whatâs the biggest thing youâre seeing thatâs causing shots low and to the left (something commonly off in the grip, compensating sight wrong in dominant eye, etc.)?
My ruger 57 rear sight was most definitely off from the factory. No other pistol Iâve owned ever got moved tho.
Looks taller in this awesome video!
I'm calling you out on this cock & bull about low & left and it's shooting technique. The only pistol I had issues with was a G43X that shot low & left. I had my rear sight moved off to one side. Got tired of that. Had a gunsmith check it out for frame deflection. He just used front sight and the pistol shot well. So, I moved my sight back to original and finally decided my trigger pull needed work. A Ghost connector solved my issue. The 5œ lb. trigger pull changed marginally to 4œ lb. But, the travel & break were greatly improved and solved my issue. And, i installed a Viridian green dot which helped even more. If all my pistols shot low & left I'd say it was me. But, it was only the glock.
"sub optimal" I love it!!!!
There are tools that can help you track the movement you are imparting to the pistol, my favorite is the red dot. The red dot showed me a lot of small deficiencies that I might not have noticed withput something like the Mantis.
This is insane, I'm learning by myself and yesterday I was faced with this issue heheh
Clutch, I literally just told this to a buddy yesterday that was asking to borrow my sight pusher
Keep it up sir
Paul how many hours a day do you work out? What is your diet? How long have you been on trt?
I was told, don't bring up a problem unless you have a possible solution. I was waiting for even a little bit on the solution.
I love this channel dont like prices on worrior poet store .
Its trigger pull that usually causes low to left for a rightie. Many times, it is because the trigger pull is too fast and that moves other fingers and the hand. When you practice shooting focus on a relaxed simple but strong isolated trigger finger pull. Pull straight back not down and back. It helps.
Grip is really the thing thatâs doing it.
I'm right handed and I found that when I torque my left hand and thumb to the right it compensates for the trigger pull. I usually hit center when I torque. If I just have a relaxed grip I shoot low left.
@@ShawnHinck yes try different things to see if it helps at the range
As a right handed shooter I hit low and left a lot until I moved my left support hand forward a bit so my thumb was against the left side of the frame.
I shoot to the left of center about 2 inches. It is a self problem...and I know what it is....My ironsights used to be right on...still likely are. Problem is my eyes aren't. If your sights are set correctly and you hit center every time, but then you injure your dominate eye...and you shoot with both eyes open.......your eyes will focus differently with one strong eye and one weak eye. Now I could get glasses or have some surgery on my once dominate eye, but have put it off for years. So now if I want to hit center I shoot 2 inch to the right...works every time. As far as your gun shooting where your sights are pointing...maybe...I'm not sure....but I do know that sights aren't always adjusted correctly. I even had a muzzle loader where the rear sight was not tapped at the 12 upright location on the barrel...weird...maybe a jig shifted in manufacturing. You could adjust that sight all you wanted to and never hit. The manufacturer took it back and sent me a new weapon.
Good stuff.
I find that shooting high and right fixes it every time.
just get an RDS and sight it in at 15 or 25 and then when you miss to the left (or low right like me sometimes because I over compensate with support hand) there's nothing to blame ... but your grip and trigger pull
For me, it was ultimately a grip issue. I fixed my trigger press issue, which helped a lot, but it still wasn't good enough. Now that I've fixed my grip, I can actually be reasonably and consistently accurate. Well, at least enough for self defense. Just need to keep training.
When I received my issued duty pistol, the rear sight was shifted to the right. I asked my coworker why this was. He said the guy who had it before said the gun was "a little off." đ€Šđ
I have a service connected injury. Blind in my right eye. I'm right handed and use my left eye to align sights. If I aim a little to the right I seem to hit center mass. Should I learn to shoot left handed?
Hereâs a video idea, what makes a professional shooting coach or trainer or whatever title you give. What makes them professional and or proficient seeing as how theirs so many options with so many courses and so many trainers, what to look for..
I've bought a g19 gen5 (my carry cun is a g32 gen 3) and the g19 kept shooting to the left, too my suprise the rear sight was off center from the factory. This is the first time I've encountered this issue and it seams to be rare but it does happen.
So true. I just had training for this over the weekend and was told exactly the same thing said by Paul. It's all in sight alignment, grip and trigger press AND PRACTICE....
Thanks for the video!
it will shoot to the right if you are left handed, however sometime the sights are not centered. In that case they need to be moved. The term used is "milking the gun". There are several techniques to help remedy this and it depends on the firearm and your handsize, what you ate for breakfast and a myriad of other things. Try a lot of them and see what works for you. Practice, practice, practice. Peace and Grace. One more thing to add, CCW's are not fashion choices. You may need a smaller gun in summer depending on body size and where you live and other factors. Do not just switch out your carry because you are in a .40S&W mood, or a 10mm mood. Or I have not carried this fancy expensive one in a while. Pick one that work and train with it. The old saying, "Beware the man that only owns one gun, he can probably shoot it very well!" Peace and Grace again.
Ur right mine was trigger press and dropping the pinky
When I was in academy....
30 years old, never shot a gun before.
I use to always shoot WIDE LEFT....
so I would aim, ONE FOOT over to the right intentionally. My instructors had no idea, what I was doin. đ
But eventually....
I got tired of aming off target đŻ and just learned how to aim fundamentally. lol
If you know your a jerkđ, you can correct for it.
Some good ol Kentucky Windage is the best when running iron sights đ
Only gun i shot low and left was the Springfield Hellcat and I got rid of it for a p365xl and never had a problem again đ€·đ»ââïž
I have this same issue with my hellcat too and it's frustrating. I can shoot my full size PDP dead on easy, but I struggle with the hellcat. I can tell it's definitely me, not the gun but it's been hard to overcome.
I am however convinced that my PPQ when shooting Magtech 9mm 124grain FMJ impacts left of center by about 4-5 inches at 25m and about significantly more at 50m.
I was taught that itâs not just my trigger finger that I have to control but also the three fingers that grip the pistol in addition to the trigger finger. That when we pull the trigger in addition to the trigger finger these fingers also contract sympathetically thus rolling the pistol slightly left and down. Once again it takes lots of dry fire to correct this. This is done by dry firing with one hand index and thumb only and keeping the pistol rock steady. You have to pull the trigger straight back and not contract the three other fingers.
You are not warrior poet but if you give me your physical location I will send the police to visit you and take on a tour of the prison.
Sometimes sights really are off...but rarely. Get on a bag on a bench if you think it really is your sights...and maybe have a good shooter verify if your sights really are off.
The real problem is very few people know that support hand grip is the answer.
But mine is shooting high right... which way do I adjust the barrel for that?!!
Got it, don't drift the sights, drift the grip!
Should go without saying, but, except when your sights are visibly off either to the left or right within their dovetails from the factory.
Aaand, it happens a lot more than you would think, especially as time goes on in a rushed production environment.
Just think about what will happen if you have to use a gun with its sights aligned correctly. Suddenly you'll think that one's broken.
I think this happens sometimes because a person can't tell whether the consistent disparity in where they arr aiming and where it hits is causes by themselves or the firearm.
Will be good to hear some tips on how to tell the difference, but I do see some of those in the comments.
Paul, you should do videos on your fitness. Saludos.
Look up Dan Bilzerian on the internet. He is candid and honest what it takes to get jacked quickly and stay that way. He doesnât hide behind some bullshit supplements that do very little.
The jump cuts man. Watching this feels like I was teleporting around him.
so pistols always shoot straight and are never actually "off" so to speak. always user error?
What sights do you recommend?
sound advice except I've had a handgun and a rifle with factory sight issues . It's not always poor fundamentals, mostly it is but not always.
Probably a 1/3rd of all of my pistols were shooting left /right or to high or to low when brought from the store . Longer distances and smaller targets will show it very well.
John this is classic CZcams is advertising wakanda forever before your video how did they know we were such fans đ
Due to a damaged hand (boxer fractures), I cannot (reliably) fast fire one handed. It will pull low-left. Even two handed. I can slow fire hit 100 yards though. Just bad joints. Left hand works fine.
Shoot a group with your off hand and eye. Do you still hit left? If so. Then maybe move the sights.
Sometimes there really are issues with iron sights . A proper gunsmith can help - the rest is up to you and training to finish
What if your sights are off though?
Mom made shake and bake and I helped make!
it's ALL about the SQUEEZE of that Trigger
Who do I email about my broken pen?
If I feel it's me & not the gun, I BENCH MY GUN, IT TAKES ME OUT OF THE EQUATION. Also some guns JUST DON'T SHOOT STRAIGHT, IT HAPPENS EVEN WITH HIGH END GUNS.
Live your life the way that you want to live it, donât let other people live it for youâŠ
What watch was he wearing?
I always cringe when people tell me that a pistol shoots left.
How many cameras are you using?
I have commented before...your posts are being supressed...if I was not a subscriber I would not know you had now vids...well...at least a new vid every 3 ish weeks, ... i am behind needless to say
Sight picture and trigger pull. Heard it over and over in 26 years in LE. Low and leftâŠsight picture and trigger pull. Some listened.
Proper pistol mechanics, prep your trigger with one finger independently, press to the wall( know your wall- dry fire only on the days you breath) and then exhale while breaking the wall. On your next shot, release the trigger only up until the reset(know your reset) then, your trigger is prepped again. Rinse and repeat.
Low left for right handed people who are right eye dominant then I agree, but one issue I see has to do with cross eye dominance
If someone is right handed and left eye dominant (or left handed and right eye dominant) and they have a sight set by someone who isnât cross eye dominant then the sights will be off about 1 inch to the direction of their primary hand at 10 yards. No elevation difference - just a windage difference and it can be reproduced with a pistol on a bipod with an expert shooter pulling the trigger for them - itâs how their mind maps the sight to the target
Generally people arenât cross eye dominant so they donât understand this problem so they take the same gun and shoot it and say âsee your sights are fineâ, because thatâs what works for your eye dominance
Itâs the same with video game controllers and inverting the controls to get the look up/down behavior that works for your brain
If the windage only adjustment is made to the direction of their primary hand and the cross eye dominant shooter holds dead center and gets exact POA/POI then itâs not a shooting problem - itâs a brain mapping issue
It was nice to see Will's cameo. Practicing shooting double action with a revolver should induce the same muscle memory. (that's my theory) Edit: I invite advice, refutations, and any other polite comments.
What if they didn't exist? Lots of pistols before DA. Is it the length of the pull getting 'surprised', heavier pull leading to different grip tension and maybe more time on target, the often longer sight radius giving more detailed information to the eye aiming? Or is it overall that the process starting before even loading being more deliberate like shooting a bolt action? Or was that just what was around at the time and one should train with that which is used in the end?
My friend insist that itâs a problem with the red dot and is sending his pistol back the Kimber. He refuses to stand and hold the pistol correctly. I just confirmed that his red dot is spot on with my Laserlyte. He insist on shooting at 15 yards and the target looks like Swiss cheese
OK 16" BARRELS ARE NOT TO BIG for (all around) IF YOUR 6'2 AND IT FEELS JUST RIGHT TO YOU.... RIGHT?
I had to do this for my wife because she is left eye dominate. How do you train that out?
I don't think you shout train that out. Why work against nature? Train the left eye dominate techniques.
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