Chopin "Torrent" Etude (Op.10 No.4) - Speed limits
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Your passages are so clean, even at the faster tempos, well done
Chopin, my favorite, back in the 60-ties I discovered his divine music. I was only 10 years old. Now I'm still in love with his music, even more. You have the same passion and you're doing a great work, I know how hard it is to be upper-class pianist, I didn't made it, but I comfort myself with composing, not high-level, but it doesn't matter. Keep on your great work
I grew up listening to Andrei Gavrilov's version recorded in 1987, and it is so fast and so well defined in the small little details, it always felt almost super human to me, I think he's at 92, it spoiled me so much 😀
An important fact... the pianos in Chopin's day had a MUCH lighter action enabling the pianist to play a good deal faster without strain... the modern piano makes faster tempos much more difficult if not impossible (just look at the Czerny tempo markings!)
I think we will never know at which speed the old composers played. IMO everything is played way too fast nowadays, a sign of the times we live in maybe where people don't have time nor patience anymore.
Yes Pianoforte instruments were built more simple, allowing faster speed but, IMO, during the beginning of the 20th century the average playing speed was raised and raised like it was a competition or some kind of show off how technically advanced they were. Vladimir Ashkenazy is a good example of this, listen to his CD recordings of Beethoven. I think he played everything 2x too fast just to show off how incredibly advanced he was which indeed, he was.
But although perfectly played, i think nothing much of it did any justice to the compositions.
Actually, older pianos of Czerny time are less adept to playing fast. They lack a repetition mechanic, which reduces the possible speed drastically. Even Chopin played a piano without repetition
Actually it depended on the manufacturer. Chopin preferred pianos with lighter action, that’s why he always played on Pleyels. Liszt preferred a heavier action, that’s why he had a Bechstein, that has keys as heavy as our pianos.
@@DBMMMMMExcept we have recordings of students of people like Liszt or grand pupils of Chopin. We even have recordings of Rachmaninoff playing their own works.
In general, Chopin and Rach is played a decent bit faster than it is nowadays, whilst it varies more with the Liszt stuff. More lyrical Liszt works are usually played faster whilst the rest of his output is played slower. (With some exceptions for all of these)
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Beautiful
I can't imagine the time and dedication you have for your talent. Amazing.
That was amazing Annique! As a pianist I find your tips very interesting and useful. You are an inspiration😊Thanks
So amazing.
Nice one Annique!
Cheers!
Love the personality!
A.m.a.z.i.n.g. I’m having a listen to your album soon!
Found your channel for the first time today! Marvellous, and thank you.
Welcome 🤗
quality of the videos have improved significantly, keep it up 🙂
Its beautiful
Congrats 🎉🎉🎉 on this Chopin fast rendition bless you loads kind regards from London Mr Worrell Robinson...
Yours is my favorite interpretation by far. Perfect articulation and clear emphasis of important notes instead of running all the notes together with the same loudness and emphasis, as often happens with a super fast tempo. I can actually hear the structure of the piece in your version. Popular versions of this on youtube from Traum, Rousseau, Kassia, etc... play it so blindingly fast that they run all the notes together without distinction and I can't make out the underlying structure and phrasing. Theirs is just a mess of notes jumbled together! Even though they have amazing technique, no doubt. But I prefer to hear all the musical details clearly.
You're incredible at piano
Good Lord, you're amazing!
Very nice. Magic fingers.
Bravo!!!
That was superb and so good I've just bought your your Chopin Etude Album as MP3 from Amazon
What a beast!
saw this on Google and came onto CZcams just to give you the “like.” This was AMAZING!!! And even though Chopin is one of my very favorite composers (“top five”), somehow i have never heard this etude before!!
Many thanks!
It was really fun to watch😄
bravo !
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Interesting video. Bravo on the tempo challenges. You are superb no matter what tempo👏🏿‼️✊🏿💯
Danke Schoen, Wunderbar! Schnell!✨🖖🚭🎼🍿🧈🎹♀️🌌🏆
Whenever I hear this piece, I remember “Der Sturm” from Beethoven, played by Wilhelm Kempff. His tempo was brisk, but not the fastest, and his sense of rhythm always stuck with me. Happy to discover your channel, thanks CZcams recommendations XD
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I dont know how I survived this piece! I was practically breathless from one crisp note to the next. Bravissimo, Annique!
Bravo❤💥💥👏
I find the 88 speed just perfect and your rendition seems really beautiful.
Just out of curiosity: did you ever look at the Godowsky version of 10.4? :-)
The audio is magnificent. It sounds like a professional registration at many points. Was your piano retuned, and do I detect a hint of reverb on the mastering of the audio on music sections?
Hahaha I know the reference and sincerely I was waiting for your response to that video!!!
You did it incredible!!👏👏👏
.....ok, I just realized I'm such a nerd!!!
Anyway, merry christmas Anni!!😊
I use the same overspeed idea of faster & slower speeds on guitar (just be careful not to push the speed too fast for too long as you can start getting sloppy) it's also similar to what a lot of athletes do for example martial artists will sometimes in training use weapons that are heavier then the real ones or wear weight vests or use ankle or wrist weights the idea being you take off the extra weight & the actions will feel easy & you will be faster with better endurance.
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Have you seen Richter's black and white version? The tempo is so fast that we think the video is sped up, but it's not! And he keeps all the musicality perfect even with all that speed! Really impressive!
It is sped up. Its obvious when u look at the way his hands fall on the keys.
Definitely sped up
No it’s not sped up, and now it’s been long time that everyone knows about Richter version which is slightly faster than Cziffra, are u just learning about this rn ?
@@pianoman1857 that video is sped up, it doesn't even look natural at all
@@pianoman1857 I said it was not sped up because I read an article a few years ago which mentioned that. Unfortunately I can't recall the source now.
Yay!
Thank you for another video on this one! I agree, it’s soooo hard to bring the dynamics out at this tempo 😑 it gets hard not to get caught up in just the manic rush of it all, which I guess is why it’s called The Torrent Etude. Your mic sounds amazing btw!!! Whatever you’ve changed took that bright edge off your sound - or was it a hammer reset? Either way, what a gorgeous tone your piano creates (only made possible by your talent, of course).
wow
I'm practicing Gloria 12th mass by Mozart.
Great video too
I used to play this, that middle bit is an absolute nightmare.
Great work! :) [oh... and the 88 tempo sounds great. Not workin' on any Chopin at the moment. Still trying to get Wonderwall down. haha]
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I am in the middle of learning this piece and... I want to cry. Its technically playable and even easier than most pieces but for me but I find it very hard to phrase it properly like in 2:45-2:49. Rip my pinky
That intro was like the teacher trying to hang out with the cool kids
I love you
Eres una excelente pianista y además muy guapa 🥰
9:51 You are right! That's why I play this at 10bpm.
I’m confused
@@faccc I guess she edit and cut off the end part of video. She say that you practice slow can become faster.
you play so well 🤭 and off topic but ur hair is luscious like it looks GOOD
wow you play extremely well 🤩
I too would love to play as well as you. I know it has nothing to do with your video but
Currently I'm working on Beethoven's "Monlight Sonata" (3rd movement) and I can't get into rhythm, go at the original speed and when I play the sound is not clean.
I wonder if I don't have enough level (5 years of piano) or I'm not working correctly.
Do you have any advice on how to resolve this problem?
thanks in advance
I think this is a typical case of the Metronome Markings, while being what the composer wanted, have to always take into account the pianist and the instrument.
You can bet that the Erard's of Chopin's time would be more reactive, than modern grands.
Dont let Wim Winters see this lol. Also nice playing!
He reacted to one of her videos before! 😆
@@SuperTicklemonstersif you don't play like Wim, you don't play the composer's intended tempo and therefore are a terrible musician and an even worse pianist and human being.
I like her tempo and her style😁
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However, wouldn't it be an interesting experiment to play it @44 ? Just to compare the experience @88? I would love to hear it at that slower speed! 😊
@@willemvanderroest6215 nothing prevents you from listening to any tempo that you desire
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Sure you are right, and i did; I stated my point not clearly enough. I meant for her to play it at that slow speed to hear her evaluation about that experience. 😉
Your interpretation is very crispy " I like it a lot ..👏🏻☺️ I play 75 ( exactly as fast as Jan Lisiecky) and want to get up to 80 because I like is little faster.... Wish me luck 🤞🏻
And now in slow motion !
I do pretty much same strategy when practicing guitar solos (we are talking around 115BPM+ 😀) Playing overspeed makes me super comfortable in final tempo :D Also sometimes bored and I want overspeed back :D
It’s important to note that 88 tempo is in alla breve. The final tempo is actually 176
@@kunalex4236 ye sure I know, no worries ;)
You should do a 1 hour 10 min challenge to winter vivaldi
I used this logic for learning Schubert's impromptu's😅❤
Pls do a reality check for op 10 no 12!!! I’ve recently played it, but the tempo marking is completely insane, so I play it a little bit slower. I know that it’s easier than op 10 no 1 and 4, but a fast piece nevertheless. Thanks and love the vids!
My teacher said I haven’t a chance at perfecting the Revolutionary(I already learned it but can’t play it well), yet Torrent is a perfect fit for me🧚♀️
I love your microphone here. It really catches piano sound really nicelt. What is the name of it?
Terrible awesome
How did you mic your piano? It sounds great. (your playing is spectacular by the way.)
A torrent of fingers, yes! You're so funny😊
Und ich dachte, ich hätte das Overspeeden selbst erfunden!
Mit meinen Klavierstundenten habe ich auch einmal 'ne Overspeedingsübung gemacht. Eine Schülerin die sich zuerst nur sicher fühlte rund 60, fühlte sich nach der Übung am besten bei. . . .172! 🙉 👌
How do you record your home piano, really impressive.
Damn woman you are good.
I loved you both playing Kalkbrenner's concerto in d minor on the double Pleyel piano. Did he influence Chopin?
I think this is roughly the tempo Traum plays it at or faster but then again he’s Sung Chang
Pretty sure the 9:28 "woooo!!! [Maniacal laughter]" is how this is meant to be played. 🤣
yeah
Beware the incoming wim winters reaction video
I like you !
Ending it by saying it wasn't that fast. What a way to flex.
try this with 25 6, the tempo is insane 😂
Can I see the recital by youtube?
When you’re in Leipzig, stop in at the Blüthner factory and play that on a Blüthner!! 🎉
Please, how long did you practice on this piece, from your very first practice session to performance-ready?
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Tempo is important for an etude though... otherwise you might be losing the point of the etude's practice... For a musical piece it's ok to have variations...
Compare with the recording of S. Richter who plays it very fast , but it's not necessarily more beautiful to listen to.I think the way you play
it is very good.
Sehr gut, jetzt Richters Tempo!
Is it a Wim Winters diss?
it is more chaotic than Rush E. So Etude 10, 3 is to leave home. Then Etude 10, 4 is chaos
The more fast is Sviatoslav Richter, he is very fast in this etude
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Would i be the bad guy if i said that much slower is much better? This isn’t a race, is it? The challenge is to make it the most musical. There is even a theory that the tempo marks are actually supposed to be interpreted differently, leading to half tempo. Sometimes slow is difficult, because it forces you to rethink the musicality. I would like to see you challenge yourself to get everything musical out of it at half tempo…..
Part of this is also: are these pieces supposed to ‘unplayable’ or enjoyed by a lot of players at an accessible tempo?
willemkossen. No, you’re not the bad guy, but you lack knowledge. Sure, this is meant to be a race, the composer tells us so. No, there is no time here for the deep nusical expressions. As you may know, the composers used a variety of Italian words to express emotions and moods. But in this etude we do not find a single such word. The Itaian words in this etude only tell of dynamic variations as well as different tempi.
Chopin suggests «Presto con fuoco», it means «very quickly and with fire». Further out in the piece (3:40) it gets even worse. Chopin composes a series of great leaps in the left hand, and in addition, Chopin says: «con piu fuoco possible». Therefore, we understand that Chopin provides no information about a slow pace. As for the big leaps in the left hand, it’s important to recall that the keys back then were narrower. That means the long leaps were a little shorter then than now.
The challenge is to play at the tempo indicated by Chopin and bring out the character of the music, con fuoco, which Annique does brilliantly. As for 'unplayable', this video proves it isn't - these etudes aren't meant for the average hobby pianist. Chopin only allowed his best pupils to attempt them. They are studies for would-be virtuosi.
There is a weird belief around at the moment that 'musicality' is impossible at high speeds. I wonder what holders of this belief mean by 'musicality'?
I know the thoroughly debunked theory you refer to; it wants to make everything fast quite slow, and everything slow twice as slow. Why? What's the point? If you only enjoy slow music, there is plenty of it around without turning genuine allegros into larghettos and prestos into andantes.
I suppose you've seen Richter's ridiculously fast version: czcams.com/video/GQ-NAgDpRVs/video.htmlsi=9EbAU_NV9es0mWt1 ?? I love Richter, and I suppose calling it an etude allows liberties, but I have no idea what possessed him to play it at this tempo. I've also heard him play it in a concert, not nearly as fast but still almost too fast to believe. But the recording above will make you shake your head. Just my opinion. For some things, Richter is one of my favorite pianists of all times.
He also played the revolutionary unusually fast, but that was less convincing for my taste.
It takes me forever to speed up a piece😅
Try using a métronome and make like a game for example u start at 80 bpm and everytime u get the section u add 10 and so on!!👍💯😀
You should do a collab with cult leader Wim Winters 😂
Now play as fast as Richter and Argerich
Omggg i heard Kungfuo instead of Con Fuoco🤣🤣🤣
Vladimir Horowitz played it slower, and it was more exciting due to the exceptional clarity and incisiveness, in my opinion.
Keep in mind that Chopin wrote these etudes for Liszt.