S&W FPC PCC: S&W Getting It Mostly Right
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TD and I in the cold warehouse giving you our testing results on the S&W Fresh Prince of Chicago PCC. This is an xlnt PCC that tested very well. We give you our thoughts, compare it to the still xlnt KelTec Sub2K (latest gen too) and take some fun detours. Bonus: Macie the mountain dog is at the end in the pit with testing the FPC and you see how we interact!
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The fact that nutn is still below 1M subs is ridiculous. It's one of the most classic channels on YT.
Nutnfancy has been suppressed and shadow banned longer than other GunTubers have been around.
And every other GunTuber references him.
@@Internaught-The-Wise, like…Honest Outlaw for instance. Lt. Col Nut-n-Fancy is an institution.
i mean if you can't keep up with tmp you get left to fend for yourself
@noblelegrand331 He did jump around alot to different platforms and kinda game YT and the YT algorithm the middle finger. This didn't help his growth. (He avoided posting consistently to YT to try and send a message, however he is a Boomer (no disrespect) and dosent realize boycotting dosent work.)
TD is rocking that new age fudd look.
Did you know, TD is Nutn's dad? Jk couple of excellent humans right there.
@@timschneider5850 hell yeah some off the best, I've been watching nutn since I was a teenager man.
ONG HAHAHAHA bro put on the dad bod weight but has no kids
Watching these two since the beginning. This reminds me how precious life is.
Love it when both father and son are on these
Reminds me of longer versions of Mix-up 98.
I own a lot more of the M&P mags, than I do of any Glock mags. I had to buy what I could, pre-ban here in Colorado. So, for me, the fact that it uses M&P mags is a great feature!
Hats are already sold out, but I’m digging the “life is short” tees; just picked one up. Dad just got a cancer diagnosis so it kinda hits close to home; I may or may not have even got a little emotional during the outro.
I appreciate you guys; TNP has been a part of my life since probably 2008ish. From exposure to new guns, knives, and recently watches; to at least some part of my decision to enlist in the Marine Corps over a decade ago. I’m a proud patron, though it’s probably time I upgrade my membership.
I don’t mean to gush; this video just hit me at a certain point in my life. Thank you guys, Nutn and Doodle and all the cast members who’ve come and gone. Here’s to another decade and more!
9mm is cheaper than .223 for plinking. I already have a TON of M&P 9mm mags. I'm also a fan of the magazine/ammo compatibility between handgun and carbine. Back in the 1800's, cowboys on horseback had carbines that used the same ammo as their revolvers. This is why my FPC has become my truck gun for camping and road trips. My travel combo is a 1st Gen M&P 9C for concealed carry and the FPC for a little more reach. I don't see any self-defense engagements at much more than 75 yards and with 124gr +P Speer Gold Dot, you still get adequate bullet expansion at 100 yards.
I agree. It's a good set up.
😮Many don't realize even though just a pistol caliber, some loads have 357 ballistics from a 16" barrel which isn't quite as slouch in stopping power.
Great points. I think the reason Nutn feels the way he does about PCC's is that if things get really bad and you have to stop bad guys who are shooting at you from behind vehicles or wearing soft body armor, a 5.56 will penetrate steel and soft armor far better than any pistol caliber. 223/5.56 is also lighter to carry if you're on foot. A .223/5.56 also has much better stopping power than any pistol cartridge because of the damage high speed rifle rounds impart that even magnum handgun cartridges can't compete with. With all that said, a PCC still makes sense to me as you pointed out. With the right ammo, it has .357 Magnum stopping power and rounds like the Underwood Xtreme Defender really zip out of a PCC and should be able to penetrate vehicles and soft armor nearly as good a 223/5.56.
So I have a FPC with the intention of have a 50yard and closer firearm. The problem I have with mine is there’s a significant point aim point of impact shift with it. It had the same shift with a primary arms red dot on it and a holosun red dot. From 10 yard to 25 yards there is a 7 inch shift! Have you had that problem with yours? I love the way it shoots but this is a huge issue.
Negative. I have not experienced that. I have an older Eotech 512 optic and Magpul MBUS backups.@@colstoncopeland9357
Is TD channeling Chevy Chase?
I'm seeing Charles Ng
😂😂😂
I remember him being skinny
Dick Cheney?
Must have gotten married
“Big from eating.” 🤣
You will need to stock a lot of cheap, but reliable guns in the deep preps. I call them Katrina guns. They have to be disposable; because gov will set up roadblocks in SHTF, like they did in Katrina, and take your guns. You will get no receipt, you won't ever get your confiscated guns back. When your guns are confiscated on the road, you go back home and grab another Katrina gun. The gov also went door to door with their Katrina confiscation efforts. So, cache some of your Katrina guns in hiding if this happens again. I've settled on SW FPC for my disposable Katrina car carbine. Use Underwood solid copper Platinum '+P' or '+P+' 68 grains or 90 grains. Nothing else compares to it for penetration.
Yeah, well, if you're buying your "Katrina" guns" from an FFL, it can and will be tracked. FFLs have to maintain the names, descriptions and serials numbers for all the guns they sell. If they close their doors and shut down their operation, they have to send all of that information to the FBI facility at Quantico. Most people don't realize that the 1968 Gun Control Act established a nationwide gun registry. Police and the Feds use this method all the time to track down gun owners who've had their guns stolen or used in a crime.
That's why states that allow gun sales between private individuals or being able to build guns from un-serialed lowers has been so targeted by the Globalist Uniparty. It's the only way to still buy guns that can't be tracked. But most new gun buyers and even many long time gun owners have no idea just how easy their guns can be tracked through an FFL transfer.
Clark Griswold glasses rock !
Dam im getting old. TD went from looking like a college kid to a grown man.
SW quality is way better than the Keltec Lego
Nutn and TD will still be doing this in ten years.
The FPC is probably the reason that I'm going to buy an M&P handgun
PCCs are gonna be way quieter than a 5.56; that’s a decent sales proposition for home defense right there if you don’t have a can.
My FPC stands upright on it's stock between my nightstand and bed. It's earned that place after 2Krds of flawless function. Angled foregrip, TLR7A light at 12 o'clock and loaded with 124gr Federal HST's (1256fps) 13.3" penetration, .73" expansion
TD NOT MISSING MEALS
Guys, it's not always the correct fit for the application. We get it for years that you aren't a fan but it does have its place.
Don't forget that back in the day when you introduced the kel tec 9mm, you made a comment about how you thought a test bed was in Falluja.
It has a place and my KT .40 is pulling duty as we speak.
I would argue that PCCs fit in the home defense role very well. Ammo designed for short barrels, recoil nearly the same (maybe a little less when comparing to a shorter barrel AR and definitely a tad bit more when comparing to 16” plus AR), expanding hollow points to prevent over penetration if that’s a concern of yours, compact, light weight and ammunition is just as cheap and available. Most of the time optic mounting options are the same and the tests of 9mm in longer barrels shows less expansion but not a lot of people take into consideration that it reached max expansion and continued to peel or “mushroom“ tighter and it’s suppresses a lot better than 5.56/.223. As for SHTF, get an AR 5.56. Keep in mind your location, if you’re fighting out in the desert then run a Nutn setup but if you’re somewhere like I am, most engagements will be close quarters as will be most engagements in SHTF so I would go no more than 16” and 3x9s or 4.5x14s are out
You are the best thx for the great content all these years!
Ironically I bought my first PCC recently after a buddy bought the S&W FPC just to scratch an itch to buy another gun. He sold me his gen 2 9mm sub 2000 in OD green. $300 bucks and it had a few M-Carbo upgrades.
Why say "GTW" when "go to war" is just as many syllables?
Actually GTW is 2 more lol
@@TheDoug625 My God... you're right
He's ex military. He can't help it. They just love acronyms.
Cause people have become so lazy and more like their cell phones that they can't even say full words anymore 🙄
Saying “go to war” has less syllables than GTW, unless you’re saying “going to war”, disregard
Though my Ruger Pc9 is aesthetically more pleasing, the S&W FPC replaced it as my home defense gun. Less deafening than my 5.56s.
I must admit I like that offering. I would prefer a few metal upgrades on some of those major stress points. Example, full MCarbo metal upgrades to Sub2000. Also, a .40 Cal. option would be nice.
I believe that the concept Smith and Wesson is going for is the cowboy loadout. A pistol and rifle chambered in the same caliber so you don't have to carry two different caliber ammo. Pistol for close the rifle for medium range.
and ideally interchangeable magazines... loads of glock magazine compatible pcc's.
The only reason for a PCC for me is to pair it with pistols I have in hand. For better or worse, no pccs take mags from my pistol system so I guess I'm safe for now. That said, those pistol brace chassis look neat for certain applications.
Kel Tec Sub CQB both fix the issue with the sight and has a integral suppressor. The S&W FPC is $699; The Sub CQB is $1000, but the Sub2000 Gen3 is $499.
My Sig MPX K might not be the best choice for a GTW weapon but it is my go to PDW weapon for home defense. Also perfect for traveling when staying in cheap dive hotels, which I frequently need to do. Fits in a book bag backpack. I can take places I could never take my AR.
I just got a new FPC and tried out the underwood 68gr xtreme defense. They are running 2271fps that is smokin from a 9mm pcc. I got a new carry bag for the FPC it is a Trumpet gig bag off amazon. Tiny bag carries a 16in pcc and 130rds with two extra spare mags. Very capable and stealty package.
I guess I didn’t finish the whole video on patreon but just rewatching the ending is hilarious when you are pretending to talk for the dog 😂😂😂😂
I think the spacer thingy on the clip-a-zeeeeens is to protect against over insertion under stress.
I am a fan of the M&P pistols, so I might get one of these just because I have a ton of mags. Also second cool. Folding 9mm that uses M&P mags.
Same here. Also, 9mm is cheaper than .223 for plinking. I'm also a fan of the magazine/ammo compatibility between handgun and carbine. Back in the 1800's, cowboys on horseback had carbines that used the same ammo as their revolvers. This is why my FPC has become my truck gun for camping and road trips. My travel combo is a 1st Gen M&P 9C and the FPC.
I am waiting on the Gen 3 Keltec because I am a Glock guy. Nothing against M&P's just like to keep it standard. One mag one ammo.
Excellent review as always Mr.TNP and Tactical Doodle. Sorry to bring this up I miss Ally the 4 legged companion, but I love to see from time to time your new companion your black lab.
Definitely not gonna get rid of what I currently have for one. A PCC is more of a range toy for me. For any serious work a 5.56 or AR10 variation if weight permits would be my first choice. But theres always room for more lol. Thanks for the review Nutn!
Exactly 9mm is good for rol and to conceal but a 10.5 556 is still better than any 9mm carbine.
@@colostomybag9367 Agreed!!
Yeah, I'll rock my 10.5 AR even if it takes up a little more space if SHTF.
On M&Ps, using a longer mag than fit to the grip, can over insert and will bash the ejector until bent upwards and the gun binds up.
Must use the mag spacers or be careful on mag insert/reloads.
PCC, fine for GTW, if you're not leaving your house.
It's great for CQB ecosystems.
It's nice to be able to roll something that shares your sidearm mags, so you can carry 1 set of mags.
Unless they have body armor..
First min of this video, Nutn and TD read my mind and soul on those answers. I have 3 and would not trade them. They serve no purpose, other than enjoyment, and I inadvertently collect them for that reason. None of my subs are my go to guns.
Sammy, I couldn’t agree with you more and started thinking about what you said. I recently bought the S&W FPC, along with a couple of other guns. Out of three there’s only one that I’ll carry or use on a regular basis, the Canik Mete 9 in black, due to the compact size. The other two, S&W FPC and Canik Rival SFX I like to occasionally take out to fondle and rack and eventually when it warms up, take to the range.
This is a follow-up to my comments of 4 months ago. So, I just bought an FPC yesterday. I don't have any S&W 9MM pistols to share mags with this carbine. Why did I buy it? Largely because I saw it at a local big box store in their "used" collection for a price far below what they're currently bringing retail, making it an attractive purchase to see if I like it or not. To put it in perspective, I spent about the same amount as I did on my Gen 2 Sub2K after adding a Red Lion handguard so that I could add better sights and optic and still fold the Sub2K. Currently, it's waiting a front iron sight so that I can sight it in. I may put a dot sight on it but may not if the fixed iron sights prove useful enough; that way I can fold it up and forget it wherever I wind up putting it.I am in wholehearted agreement about the magazine spacers - but the application of some Loctite (R) brand plastic adhesive may prove effective in dealing with the issue of drifting spacers. I applied that fix tonight and we'll see how it holds up.
Given the wide open spaces here in northern Nevada, my prior opinion on philosophy of use for PCCs still applies and I don't expect to have a serious use for this carbine. However I think it will at least turn out to be a fun range toy and might even not dump ejected cases on me like the Sub2K did before I added a Kydex deflector (yes, I'm left handed). If nothing else, if the party starts and you haven't brought your own party favor you might find yourself issued the FPC.
The little plastic spacer is there for over insertion I’m pretty sure. If that wasn’t there it would be easy to slam the mag into the ejector and bend it.
WORKSITE Tool Bag 17 Inch, Wide Mouth & Portable Canvas Tool Bag W/Strap, works great for the sub2k. Only 16 dollars.
Great tip. I ordered one. Thanks.
@@morte2195 No problem. Enjoy!
Among the GET HOMES GUNS, don't forget the SU16s. Light, compact, but AR 15 power type. The Red Dot makes the a bit faster. Too many people look down on them but you know better.
I love pistol caliber carbines
you guys are so freaking off the hook! I used your vids years ago to pick up some great firearms. I wIsh I could have KEPT ON buying fire arms! Great to see ya'll still at it! Edited: PS Allie I miss you so much!
The case is a win.
TD rockin them Clark Griswald glasses
I have one of these as my truck gun I absolutely love it it’s fun and cheap to shoot I carry it in a regular back pack nobody has a clue 😉 I like the way it folds over the kel I don’t mind the lil extra weight. The buttons on the side are bolt catch only you charge it to release the bolt. Explanation in the paper work. 🤓👍🏽
I was about to buy the keltec 2000 until the sales lady showed me the s&w and changed my mind really quick don’t regret buying the s&w
S&w has the BEST ergos. Whether its a revolver, PCC, OR shotgun. They get the human engagement elements right
The only thing I don't like about this is that it doesn't come in 40sw or 357sig.
I would like to see TNP project review the Lee Enfield.
"Hey sonny, you dont need a weapons mounted light on your pistol, who do u think u are, a cop?" -Tactical Doodle😅
I'd like to see this come out in an even more compact frame and lighter weights compatible with shield plus mags for vehicle kits
Don’t fully agree on the WROL assessment. 5.56, absolutely, 9mm pistol, no brainer, but if you’re foraging, scrounging, trading for ammo, you’ll take what’s available and I’d like a rifle length 9mm if 5.56 becomes scarce. It simply easier to shoot more accurately than a pistol. Of course 9mm might become scarce too but between the two I think you’ll be able to find some of one.
Beautiful black lab
I had one back in the day he was a good boy 😢
Or price point vs firepower? PCC seems a good choice.
The FPC barrel is so easy to clean. I really like the FPC. I’ve fired 850 rounds through mine so far and not one issue. Very reliable and highly accurate. Had S&W added a flash hider that would have been cool. Not for any other reason but just athletics. Anyway, the FPC is so worth the money and I feel it’s way better than a Sub 2000. Honest Outlaw said the triggers always brake on the Sub 2000 so idk. He said the FPC is way better built so go check that video out. (Honest Outlaw and FPC). He beats the crap out of the FPC and it just keeps on shooting.
Remember, its not the weapon or the power of your weapon, its the shooter behind it.
I think there are exceptions to which PCC's are good for SHTF or GTW.. the 10mm PCC is much more viable for GTW for CQB especially the 10mm banshee because it's FAST and feels almost like shooting a 22
Also here's a little tip for y'all.. you can get 52 cent per round defensive rounds in 10mm from AAC with 180 grain XTP projectiles which is almost as cheap as 10mm FMJ so you can practice with it too 👍🏻
Tools and targets did a great gel test on the 10mm AAC and it's 100% the best budget 10mm load
Seems like a pretty practical choice for S&W Folks
I got a m&p but I agree with tactical doodle Glock magazine is a must
Great video, just a small correction. Gen 3 sub 2000 do not come with fixed sighs any more, but you can fold with red dot installed as pointed by TD
At the very least for training reasons, I'd prefer 9mm over .22 lr. I've never fired 22lr but I've heard they are "dirty" and often have malfunction issues. I'd also rather train with something I might actually use for self defense.
Long time follower and Patreon. I'm sorry, I'll use a sidearm to fight to my rifle. Anyone who thinks they need a PCC is Larping....Change my mind. Now anyone who is observant knows why PCCs are so popular. AR's are not selling. The industry as a whole is recovering. They have done well in their restocking efforts and guess what. They have created a bunch of inventory lowering the price on a lot of things. A buyers market, Good for us! Now Ammo is being treated like Oil. Those companies are public and are being traded. Ammo is a commodity item it seems. If someone said I'll buy you a PCC... i would ask for Ruger or CMMG. Looking forward to your review on the TNW.
I have quite a few Glock and m&p mags and a gen2 keltec sub2000 g19 mag fed. I would never swap to an m&p platform. $40 for 15/17 rd mags with the only aftermarket mags being promag which are about half that but they are also about half the reliability in my experience. I’ll stick with my keltec and Glock mags. Although I carry an m&p 2.0 9mm daily.
I prefer S&W over Glock.
How great is the dog in this video! Steals the show.
i picked up a ruger pc charger a couple years ago. added a bunch of stuff to make it look cool. shot it a handful of times. i shoot my S&W 15-22 more than anything
Promag has 32 rd mags that fit. You can squeeze 35 in them. Great rig
PSA 10mm ammo is affordable for training. Or just reload it. BB for the serious stuff
45 ACP is the ultimate sub gun cartridge. All of the standard off the shelf ammo is both full power AND subsonic. You can get boutique or handload 45 acp to top power 10mm levels (185 gr @ 1300 fps) and as NUTN said the vast majority of 10mm ammo is at 40slow and weak power, I’ve tested over 2 dozen and it’s true.
You can also train with the same power loads and bullet weight you use for defense so there aren’t any training scars from using neutered practice ammo.
Standard 45 acp rounds out of a sub gun are lethal at least 50 yards further than 9mm tho there is more drop which can be accounted for. I hit 8” plates standing at 100 yards all day no problem with a dead on hold zeroed at 25 yards with my B&T using an RMR sight and can easily hit 12” plates at 200 with 350 lb ft energy.
What gun do you have for that? A cmmg?
I’ll just keep my Stribog, I changed the lower to run CZ mags/magpul/ets/psa/manticore 30+ mags and ar-15 trigger and grip. Extremely accurate for vehicle gun in a major city, with a small chest rig.
I like to think of PCCs as something to use indoors where the difference in effectiveness between 9MM and 5.56 is less apparent - I like the HK SP5 or Grand Power Stribog with a BFSIII trigger in that role, or something that can be stored in a small space for use in urgent conditions - I like the SUB2000 or again the Stribog in that role. I do not see PCCs as a "go to war" firearm any more than my FN PS90 given how many more effective arms exist. If I'm outdoors, that's what compact ARs are for. What I do like about many PCCs is the ability to pair PCC and pistol using the same magazine... pairing is not just for wine and cheese!
S&W's late practice of copycatting Kel-Tec's products (their shotgun, this PCC and now their 5.7 pistol) is amusing. I frankly would not buy the S&W offering for two reasons; first, I don't currently have any S&W 9MM pistols and therefore nothing to share magazines with and second, I have enough other PCCs on hand that I just don't need another one. It's identical in application to the SUB2000 with an aftermarket rotating handguard that's already in my safe. I don't think it's bad gear for anyone who wants a PCC though with the exception of the spare mag retention system which I consider hokey and difficult to operate.
BTW, I've always always used O-rings for thread protectors and have never lost one. They're cheap, too.
Thanks guys for the review.
"Making it all up as I go"😂 great story
He's still under a million sub because some people cant get over his VALLEY GIRL kind of vibe.
For hats, consider velcro hats spots with velcro badges. A lot more options.
Quite the spotlight on that AR.
60’s Cadillac size light.
Great vid. The ending was nice.
Just sold my sub 2k a few days ago to get ready and have the extra dollars to get the new sub 2k when it becomes available, in my book the sub 2k is hands down the best pcc, i have had like 5 of them over the years now from the first gen 1 I got some time ago now.
Thanks, thanks guys. Love your videos.
Great video. I don't own a PCC. I never found a need for one and I can't really think of a good use for one. I would, as you suggested, opt for a AK platform pistol with an arm brace if I wanted something really portable/concealable.
Td those glasses are very retro my great grandfather and uncle had those glasses
TD is rockin those Birth Control glasses! 😂
Have your boy join the Army or Airforce to get some pt bro... love your channel since you started...
hey guys just some updates w the new kt-sub2k gen 3. it does not come w sights bc they had to save money as it is the same price as before. its glock only mags now but they upgraded the trigger to metal and maybe some internals. plus a new charging handle but no last round bolt hold or non recip charging handle like the fpc. overall a vast improvement still at 499, but only 1 mag and no case. the fpc comes w 3 mags plus a case, cost a lil more but overall, a better pcc and value imo. if you put a red dot on the new sub2k you can keep it on and still fold it, but you will lose the flatness as the rds will stick out on the side and in exchange, you lose the ability to put accessories on one side of the handguard as well. still ok for strapping to a pack though but your flat case will have a nice bulge in the middle. i have a voodoo tactical case for my sub2k gen2, which is more of a two pistol case, but it fits perfect w some pockets on the outside. the gen 3 will prob need a thicker case w some more foam if you plan on leaving the red dot mounted which you should.
Hey Nutn, I’m surprised you didn’t give the FPC way more negatives, esp based on SAWC. The FPC needs to be 1+ lbs lighter and overall smaller footprint in order to compete with the (IMO) better Sub2k Gen3.
And I’m sticking with my Glock mags
Nice specs TD...Looking very astute
If you can afford to buy 6 PCC’s as discussed at beginning of vid, you can afford to buy some 10mm ammo to properly train with. My go to is an AR with an 8 inch barrel in 300 blk out for home defense and the ammo is expensive as well but it’s simply the best option and when your life could depend on it I think you’ll be glad you spent the money on ammo needed to be proficient with the cartridge. Same goes for 10mm if that’s your choice for home defense. At the end of the day, if you’re using a dot and a flash light is there really some massive difference in how you protect your home using a 9mm PCC or a 10mm PCC? IMO, not really. As long as you have put a few thousand rounds through your weapon of choice and are comfortable with the weapon, it’s recoil pattern, etc I see zero reason to not use an expensive caliber when it’s significantly more effective, whether that be 10mm, 300blk, etc
Doodle's got some drip with them frames.
i looked at several pcc's over a couple years...chose the scorpion evo3...its just reliable and accurate...i've done a few mods...trigger...safety...grip and so on...there are more expensive gucci types...but i liked the scorpion best...it just has the "looks cool factor" and performs...it will take something pretty spectacular to pull me away from it...i only have one pcc...the one i want....no need for others because i just would'nt shoot them...
I recently purchased a 9mm PCC, after a lot of research, I decided on the Springfield Armory Saint Victor, the 500 dollars of free gear that came with the PCC helped cement the deal...
Still prefer the Kelltec
I bought one recently because I was looking for a plinking gun. Nothing about the fpc screams end of the world wrol shtf with this gun. But it is very fun. Be a fun rabbit gun if they ever exist in any number again.
Had to let my 16” scorpion carbine go sucks so bad. With that said I based it on the actual power of the weapon. I was forced to choose between a few different of my favorites. It boiled down to the Scorpion I didn’t want to but in today’s world I would never choose a actual rifle. The scorpion was always just a fun plinker to me
Friggen Doodle looks exactly like my 50 yr old uncle with them glasses on lol. Funny part, he’s only 5 years older than me and I also have an uncle that’s 25 yrs old, same age as my son lol.
I have the Sub 2K, Ruger PCC and an Extar PCC; none of them will shoot near the accuracy of a cheap .22 rifle. They are fun, but if you like accurate firearms, go with the AR platform or a decent rimfire .
I just bought a PSA Dagger Full size just so I could incorporate Glock mags in my collection but I REFUSE to buy an actual GLOCK. But this opens up benefits to have a matching pair sidearm/PCC when I purchase a Stribog gen 3 with the Glock lower.
As far as the magazine holder in the Buttstock. It's not hard to figure out how to pull one out using your non-firing hand. GET OVER IT PEOPLE! I have the FPC and I've practiced pulling both of those magazines out of the butt stock for reloading. IT IS NOT HARD TO DO!
👍🏽 You honesty is truly appreciated.