Magic the Gathering used to be a very Cheap Game.
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I stopped playing MTG in 1997. Most younger people don't believe me when I tell them that when I stopped the Beta Black Lotus was the most expensive card in the game and sold for about $400 in mint condition. They also don't believe that I have 4 black lotuses and the rest of the power 9 several times over. No one realizes just how cheap these things were when I started playing in late 1993. I sold a good condition Mox Sapphire for $70 to take a girl out. Different times!
was the girl worth it? :D like you are together since then and have a gazillion kids and lived happily ever after?
@@Jamajalama i would bet my bottom dollar that this won't be the case. 😂
I’ve sold things I miss too but for the time it was worth it so I’m content.
Back in the late 90's, one of the guys at my local shop picked up a Black Lotus (can't remember if it was beta or alpha, but black border) for like $200. It looked like it had gone through a flood, the jungle, wiped someone's ass, and was rinsed off.
Back in the good ole days, before scumbag investors bought up all the floppy tacos 🌮🌮🌮....
KaibaCorp HQ I don’t get why people pay the ridiculous costs... there really is nothing like this. Would be like if you want to get good at Street Fighter you have to keep dumping hundreds of dollars just to play. But people are dumb.
scumbags don't buy floppy tacos. floppy tacos are a new thing.
@@blainethemono19 disagree there. MTG is becoming less of a game and more of a financial asset. There's a reason for the strong correlation between skyrocketing prices and declining tournament attendance.
I just play pauper causually. Too crazy to have thousand dollar deck.
@@blainethemono19 we still have people playing world of Warcraft for almost a decade. People pay $60 for a new game they don't play for more than 10 hours. People spend money on shit. At least magic sticks around and can be played for pennies on the dollar over time.
If you can't afford the game, then don't play man. It's not like a few hundred bucks for a deck...
8:15 that prediction was spooky
1994 black lotus $65.00 moxes $30.00 Mana drain $2.00
Good lord! Now the time has come when I have to invest my 30.000.000$ to invent this time machine and get all these Lotuses and Moxes, also the Juzam Djinns(Not that this card is so important anymore, I just want them :D )
Once upon a time, I had a playset of all the dual lands. At the time they were worth not much more than $5 each give or take. I lost my entire collection to a flood. Ever since then, I stopped caring about collecting MtG and only got cards I wanted for decks. I also remember seeing a Black Lotus in a case at a local comic book store that happened to sell MtG. They had it priced at $20. At the time, I thought, "Who would pay that much for a card?" and I didn't buy it, though I could have. Back around beta release, my playgroup all played for ante, cause that is how the game originally was played. I lost a Mox Jet in an ante, but I valued my Serra Angel more than that Mox at the time. For a while the Shivan Dragon was the most expensive/valuable card from the original set. When Arabian Nights came out, none of understood you were supposed to use the new cards with the old ones cause it was the first expansion. We couldn't figure out how to play with the cards because the only basic land in the set was a mountain. We quickly figured it out though. For me, the most exciting set to open ever was Antiquities, cause I loved artifacts. I ended up with all four of the different seasons of Mishra's Factories. There was a lot of hype when Fallen Empires came out. There was a huge event with it in our area. People were less than thrilled when we all saw the cards. So many memories of old Magic days. The first time multicolored was introduced (Legends). The first additional format to just the normal format (Type II, now known as Standard). The days of extended format. The real Elder Dragon Highlander games where 5 people would each represent one of the elder dragons. The near destruction of MtG when Urza's block came out. The tyranny that was the original Affinity deck. I witnessed a game where one guy won 22 games in a row with first turn channel/fireball...he had all the judges watching him for cheating, but never amounted to anything. He was playing "The Deck". You used to be able to buy a pack for a couple bucks, but also packs back then only had 8 cards in them instead of the 15 they now have. You used to have to check a magazine for card prices back before the internet was a normal home thing not to mention..no cell phones then to look up stuff. There were no sleeves for a long time or playmats, (unless you made your own, which some people did) I've been playing since Beta. Approximately 25 years now going on 26. So many things I wish I had kept or valued differently. You have to understand that, in the early days of Magic, not too many people (at least that I knew) valued the game as an investment. Hindsight anyone?
This comment rocks. Tell me about it, man, retrospect indeeed
@@ozmond well you think wrong. I was there. This was probably about the time when Unlimited came out I want to say. Like shortly there after that. I thought it was unusual for a store to even be selling single cards. I remember it very clearly, because my thought process was that I could buy multiple packs for $20 and get more cards that way rather than just get one card. Packs back then were around $2.50 or so. I didnt even understand what the card really even did back then. I valued my Serra Angel and Sengir Vampire over the Mox Jet I had in my deck. Black Lotus might have been worth more or less at the time, but maybe that particular store owner didnt know about that or something. It was mainly a comic book store that happened to sell MtG with a small glass case of some single cards. You also have to realize that the internet was not really a thing quite yet for the general public, it was still a fairly new concept for consumers and retail. I am not even sure if there was a pricing magazine for MtG yet at that point. I am not sure. This was all in 1993.
I didn't play magic, but I did play Yu-Gi-Oh and remember going to Sam goody to read the card magizines.
Thanks for the story, made listening to Rudy even better, what an amazing insight from what used to be!
Such a great story!
I remember by jaw hitting the floor in the late 90s when I saw Moxes going for $100 and Lotuses going for $1000. Revised dual lands were going for about $20 I think.
Look at all the cards nobody will ever play with.
Any suggestions?
@@danielwibbish9572 cube
@@danielwibbish9572 my favorite suggestion is not to complain and find something to enjoy.
@@danielwibbish9572 Just get the counterfeits. Not like people will blame you for playing with them, even if they did own the actual cards cause those things will never see play due to risk of wear and tear.
Fucking play them
Almost 4 years later, this became a massive investment.
Hell yea it was cheap. I thought $50 for the Lotus and $15 for the Moxes was stupid.
It is technically. $50 for a peice of card stock.
@@zanerich9460 and 50$ is technically a piece of paper, and a van gogh is technically some piece of cloth and a bit of color
@@terryfeynman $50 is a valued currency, a peice of cardstock with a cool picture playable in a game isn't worth $50 for 1. Maybe 25-50¢.
@@zanerich9460 and these are valued collectors items. If you think they are not worth 50$ don't buy them, but demanding that others should not pay 50$ for something that is worth 50$ to them is quite narcissistic. Just because you cannot appreciate the value you cannot demand that others should not appreciate it either.
I mean sure you could argue that the market can fall apart and they lose their value, but you know what ? The same can happen to your 50$ note, it is called hyperinflation and has ruined whole countries. Both do not have intrinsic value, they have value because we agree they have value, to put it very simple.
@@terryfeynman im okay with people wanting to collect something but it just stinks that I can't play the decks i want without spending a grand on cardstock. I understand the factors that go into valuing cards and keep up on the MTG market even considered buying and selling cards to make some money. I wouldn't want all mtg cards to cost only 25¢ because that would ruin tons of peoples lively hood, also the price of cards really makes having or seeing more expensive cards really cool. I was just pointing out the idea of a card costing $50 is weird, sorry if I was coming of rude or like a narcissist. That wasn't my intention.
Kids. Stay in school. Don't do magic
Back in the mid 90s, I used to use revised cards as a coaster for my cup of tea. That planet earth was so insane.
Lmao
A nice, pure, clean, totally legal brick of white (bordered) magical product, worth likely a significant amount more than it's not so legal counter part in brick form. Thanks as always, Rudester.
Love hearing these old stories about cards and prices
I still remember the first time I bought magic cards, me and my 4 friends washed cars in and around our street and made about 25-30$ each (in 2005-2006) and i bought a 9th edition white starter deck with a bunch of 9th edition boosters. I even remember seeing a lotus for like 1k in the shop I used to buy from and even then, we knew it was a special card. Those we're the good old days.
Really enjoyed the video. Been an off and on player for a long time, now I'm a grown up with a real job and I like thinking of the hobby as an investment. Always loved the art on Guardian Beast and hope to pick some up in the next few months. Enjoyed hearing your thoughts on Maze of Ith, Wasteland, and Force of Will too.
Learned a lot in this video, thanks Rudy! :)
a drop of honey in the singing tree deck works every time
This reminds me of when me and my friends found one taiga in my dads friends old collection. Wasn’t much but it gave us the last card we needed to build char belcher
I noticed the trend as the buyouts started (before it was common knowledge). But I only bought single copies of certain cards because I only play EDH.
Most recent purchase was a Sliver Queen (she'll be my commander), missed it before the price spike but got it on sale after. I know the price will increase drastically once everyone zeros in on that card.
two thumbs up! love these collection vids!
crushed my spirits on the force of will's. I always loved that card and own a few
Hello from Norway!
Another "Dear Rudy" epsiode. Nice. 👌
I member when duels were $10-$20 a piece, moxen were a $100 and trading into mana crypt playset for 60 bucks worth of iceage
Thanks for shouting out everyone living in the cellar below the basement!
We are often forgotten about
Thats a massive og collection congrats!
i wish they would just reprint the bejezus out of everything and make it a game again
Imagine throwing in the trash the entire secondary market which sustains your own game, literally ruining the life of all who heavily invested in the game.
@@neji2401 which is why i bought counterfeits from china.
Investing is another game. Sell while you are still up I guess.
@@neji2401 investing is a game, like gambling. You can hate on anything that devalues your investment, but it's still you at fault for investing (and not selling) in the first place.
@@neji2401 Not ruining the life of all the counterfeit investors :D :D
This video showed up on my feed today and...LOLZ. "The price is bottoming out..." Barely took two years to do the exact opposite...Never mind on that assessment on the Tabernacle :s Hell of a collection buy. Didn't even need buyouts to spike everything RL. Just had Hasbro fuck magic hard to turn everyone.
Mana Crypt was a promo card. I remember seeing them for a few bucks in LGS way back in the day. (around Urza Saga / Destiny).
Rudy you really need to clip 8:15. You were bang on it
Been following the last few months. AMAZING CHANNEL and its like I'm watching a cooler version of my cousin who looks identical to you. Like I think you would flip at the sight of this Timmy. Started watching EVERY ONE of your videos in chronological order. Your story is destiny... URZA's Destiny!! XD
Just getting back into MTG. Now that Iam older and never owned a video game console after the PS2, I have an old nostalgia itch from my past. However brief it was. Antiquities, Unlimited, revised (only when Unlimited cards in NM aren't available) Alliances, and all 3 URZA's blocks are what I've been fondest of. Old cards. I wasn't around at the beginning. I quit MTG in 2000 after only playing in 6th grade bc i was too young to appreciate or really just understand the game. Plus, it was cooler to be a "skater boy" (shout out Avril Lavign) I only had like 2 friends that played it. I turned 30 on the 21st - Mayan doomsday date ; )
I've bought strictly reserve list singles from Card Kingdom, only in NM condition (I want a complete Antiquities and Urza's block's Reserve List Set. Also been buying booster packs of Alliance's and URZA's block from only established sellers on ebay. Ive been on ebay for over a decade, so quite attune on how to choose the right sellers. So far, every pack passes the eye test after a good WIGGLE AND TIGGLE. YES , I SAID WIGGLE AND TIGGLE.... Thanks for the term Rudy ; ) If they were repacked all this time when I go to sell them in 20+ years, so be it. I got them lying flat in Ziploc bags and stored in a cool dark place. And my binders hanging so the pages dont get pinched. People want the sealed product.
LONG LIVE THE RESERVE LIST!! and S.W.A.G: Silver, Wine, Art, Gold... not a wine drinker but its about tangible wealth.... cardboard canvas's (MTG cards are ART)... and a little thing called: blockchain Large part of why 5G is being ushered in. Giggity!
"this is not an investible card"
Rudy from Alpha Investments, speaking about Blood Moon, The Dark set -2019
magic collectors always have long rambling letters
Rudy my man i used to play magic during the onslaught exp and i love it. Now it is gross how much expensive this game has become...
WotC has to do something about it. The prices since ~2013 are stupid
@Sean Price i am talking about aftermarket price of old cards, not new sets. They have to reprint
Mark Rosewater said Slivers are planned for some set within the next 7 years.
Phyrexian Eldrazi Slivers when.
Always wanted a Phyrexian v Eldrazzi match up. Can't really see that happening now...
Copper Tablet thanks its value due to the famous Atog old school build in 93/94 Swedish. Hard deck to beat :))
Haha they are talking about me winning scandinavian championship in oldschool with Cooper tablet :D at 06:20 lol
Tulipmania can do some crazy things
I bought a booster in 1995, which was my first magic cards, and it had a royal assassin. I traded them for a box of cards and did not buy another card afterwards. Had fun playing fun playing couple years, them all my cards were stolen.
You nailed it with the Sliver prediction, eh?
Greetings from 2022! Now you can sell that collection and buy a house!
Wow... incredible watch from a few years ago.
First singles purchase was 3 tundras (2 were crimped) for 5 dollars total at a candy store that sold MTG cards, good ol’ Catty Shack.
I had an extensive alpha collection, didn’t think hurricane katrina would destroy the house, I would have easily been a millionaire several times over if not for Katrina
I picked up Gaea's Cradle when it was $80 and I had $70 in store credit. I paid $10 for my Cradle #Winning
Do you only do MtG cards games or do you do other card games? I recently just got into the Transformers CCG and I see very little content about it. I could just be looking in the wrong place but what are your thoughts on it?
Bad, get into magic
Holy cow I'm soaked right now. Rudy trying to hose me down with this video.
The golden days of the 1990's were the best
Underworld Dreams is a 4-of in one of the cheapest 93/94 decks to play, so I don't think it's surprising that these are moving while other things are going down. People who got excited for 93/94 but didn't want to buy in during the bull market are now finding it easier to pay for the rest of their decks.
Rudy, will Ultimate Masters get a reprint? Speculations?
I started with FBB 3rd edition, Duals were around ~10€, (65 frcs).
Coming back to this video today..... 'markets in a real downturn'.... LOL. 60-120$ for a dual land and now one is worth more than that whole stack was back when this video was made.
'I don't foresee any movement on tabernacle, its going to stay around 14-1500'.... like 5000 now. OOF.
Cards I can see being in the next pseudo master set; thoughtsieze, birds of paradise, stone forge mystic, fetches, and Rudy’s girlfriend.
If you guys are buying old mtg it would behoove you to be able to identify real and counterfeit cards, also become familiar with a jewelers loupe.
"Prices have tanked big time, 60/80/100/150 bucks"
Rudy I'll gladly buy USeas at 150. Point me in the right direction
revised duals are still 350-400$ ungraded, Rudy just wants all of yours at 150$.. i take it he really ripped this gentlemen off on the price for all those duals
and i'm talking about nm cards not lp or hp cards..
He never says underground seas dropped to that price.
@@michaeledwards1644 He is talking about buy list prices not the prices if you were buying the card from a store or ebay. Some Revised dual lands buy list prices are indeed in the $60 range.
All the non blue non jund duals are 60-150
I LOVE LOVE LOVE Underworld Dreams
My favorite part of this type of video is quickly becoming the obligatory “please do not send me offers, these are not for sale” disclaimer at the end.
i remeber looking at the old magic magz and they saying black lotus was only 200-500 xD
and that being a LOT :P
the reserved list was a mistake
WOTC literally said they regret it too
@@mevpo They can still fix it.
@@AndreJHoward how?
@@walter-ly4dy By reprinting for example the dual lands in sets like eternal master.But no one knows why they dont.
@@kamo124 maybe they deep down they don't want to admit it out loud but they need that secondary market there to keep the drive for the sales of their products and still be relevant, at least in the paper side of the world.
Hey I’m watching this from the future... force of will is a box topper now
just checked, those cards that were purchased for 7$, were 80$-150$ at the time, are now as much as 800$
Rudy; Would you say yay or nay to invest in Tacos? I mean the shells, just buy a lot of shells in bulk, store them nice and cool and then, in a decade or two, sell them on the black market... would I make money, what's your estimate?
What was the total approx value on this guys collection?
0$ until he starts triying to selling it
I remember when I was a kid magic cards werent that expensive but now I'm paying 30 forty dollars for one card sometimes its interesting how things have changed its also funny to think that when the dual lands in alpha were affordable and alot of people had them nowa days your lucky if you have even one since they are hundreds of dollars now
Karakas is on the uncommon sheet TWICE. It's one of seven cards on there twice, the other six are unimportant.
Rudy in this video foretold the large spike in Sliver Queen with the Modern Horizon support.
We got a few unlimited cards, nothing crazy, just a mox, nothing to see here.
As for the Argivian Archaeologist, I get why you love it so much. That card is stupidly powerful. The only thing that saved it from being banned was that you had to tap it, and thus could only use it once per round (or you could use it to produce infinite mana with a lotus for example). But there is so much beautiful potential there. You could for example use a lotus like a mox perl, with a chaos orb you can use it every turn and flipping shred the opponent. That is 2 examples of oh so many more.
The set symbol for the Mana Crypt shown is NOT from Eternal Masters. In fact, I've never seen this symbol before! The closest it comes to is for Beatdown and it doesn't even look at all that close to that either.
I checked all my records, apps and sources as well as the internet and I can not find this sets icon anywhere!
Rudy, can you find out what set this is really from?
It is a promo from the gatherer go onto the MTG familiar app and it will show you the final one on the list
If Rudy’s UMA openings are a meal, this video is a feast. Love seeing these old collections🤩
11:15 Moat..... Then the big dogs started going after this and "WE"...... 🙄
MTG used to be a cheap game then you came along Rudy thanks for fucking with the market seeing how it was unrelated and you’re the first you probably won’t go to prison but it’s up-and-coming for some new comers good luck bud
Why does this make me want to cry?...
Obviously not a brick of coke. A brick of coke costs nothing compared to this brick.
Actually, every card that cost above 70$ is more expensive per gram than authentic gold per gram
do you play commander rudy?
I wonder how many packs he has resealed ...
The tacos in Norway are WAY to floppy
In my OpIoNiOn.. which isn't much but the reason the prices are having a decline is simply because ultimate masters is so good but once they come out with a few bad sets people will look back and so on, if your new to collecting,hang on to your cards through the next drop and then up tick even if your 70 years old by then,point being is history will continue to repeat itself, alpha became beta and beta became unlimited,it will always have a place in the market and there will always be an uptick,I predict even ice age will have it's day eventually, enter slowly and buy smart and don't go outside your mean but more importantly have fun and enjoy
I've not seen anything get cheaper at my local shop ebay or starcitygames. Where are you talking about and where can I buy lol
Only missed that tabernacle prediction by a couple thousand a few years out. I'm guessing now rudy doesn't think it'll be $2500 in a couple years.
Famous Rudy
RUUUUUUDYYY!
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You called it. You said slivers would come back.
Slivers did come back xD
"a foreign card I don't care about", I want to see you say that with a French FBB Underground Sea ;-)
nobody cares or ever cared about the french
wait, didnt USA ..Begged for french to help them against the british in that famous war wher we end up gettin a french statue that stil hold ground as the most iconic item of the united states
You've been reading some weird textbooks, was that before or after the nazis used the french to oppose the allies?
@@Beblue1337 statue of liberty was made by the french for USA though
Just watched this video, at 8:25 you talk about the Tabernacle from Legends. Back in Dec of 2018 you stated they were valued $1400-2000 (on ebay). TCG Player states that this card had a market price of $4500 in Sept 2021 (2.75 years later) and today it's $4149 (3.75 years later). What's your prediction for the full 5 years (12/28/2023)? Will this card hit $5000 in the next 15 months?
Look how right Rudy was about the Sliver
1994, I walked into Whyte Knight in Edmonton, AB and thought you'd be a damned fool to pay $10 for a Mox Pearl. :(
Card shop i visited here and there had a "lottery" box full of random rares, 1 of which was an unlimited mox pearl. Was staring at the $500 price tag on a beta lotus in their display case when a boy around 10-12 reached in the lottery box and pulled that mox and nobody cared.
I like your videos rudy....I just hate that you wont resell these until your up 1000% I just want some duels to play with. Oh well
MTGnoob that’s just business
but there's plenty of Revised duals available...
I know guys I have started buying them and am a investor as well however I still want more people to be able to play legacy and old school. It just raises the capital limits required and that's why I said I wish
@@mtgnoob9988 Look up Villa Zheng on CZcams. Class counterfeits at 2.50$ USD a shot. Fuck people like Rudy.
Stuck with proxies
Those force of wills like 400 now.
I remember my dad getting mad at me for paying $8.00 for a Force of Nature
Watching this video 2 years later, with a Force of Will just recently reprinted... yeah, Rudy called it...
Every time I thought about buying P9 or dual lands I always said: "it seems to much for a card". Then missed black lotus beta for 100 bucks, then for 1000, then for 3000. So should I buy it now? :)
imagine how many hookers you could pay to fuck and play magic at the same times for this cash
I have hundreds of magic cards I bought in 1997 from Fifth edition booster packs opened but never played with. What should I be doing with them?
Timothy Wright I don't think fifth edition are worth too much. Revised edition was pretty much the last MTG edition to have value. After that though the cards are old but they were printed in such large quantities that today not many are worth anything today
@@mre9346 okay then I'm just going to burn my cards in the fire because they're worthless.
Thats really funny that the guy said he got into magic because someone showed his brother's Shanodin Dryads. I remember when I was really young back then (1993-94') we used to giggle about Shanodin Dryads and the old Fire Elemental because of the boobs.
Fire Elemental was HOT!
@@bookstooge5294 Well you're not wrong.
Most valuable cards in mtg are so valuable because there's so few and there so powerful. Plus there never getting reprinted because there unfair, like ancestral recall.
Well this was a touch depressing. Maybe one day we will be able to get back to a state where colored cardboard isn't worth more than its weight in gold.
I love how attached people are about this game, makes it very lucrative for people like me. 😈
Underworld Dreams is just good in Old School, people will keep stashing them away in OS decks.
First
(Plz do another konosuba 2 opening)
"MAGIC USED TO BE A CHEAP GAME"
*LAYGHS IN BLACK LOTUS*