SEES VS Investigation Team VS Phantom Thieves

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  • čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
  • Ya boys Fither and Flair Guy spent half an hour discussing the abilities, equipment, feats and tactical know-how of the various Persona teams in order to decide which group is the strongest. It is guaranteed to be a real doozy of a slobberknocker.
    Come @ me; @fitherfith

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  • @Fitherfith
    @Fitherfith  Před 7 lety +1542

    Some stuff I wanted to add after reading some of the comments, particularly regarding the thieves' guns and lmao P3 guy has Armageddon. I think the idea that the thieves' guns won't work in this fight because they're 'not real' is totally missing the point. Of course they're not real, but in the metaverse (which is where they're fighting) they totally work as guns because the enemies believe they're guns. The more intelligent response to this is 'they don't work because SEES/IT could tell they are fake', which is very possible however you have to remember these are extremely lifelike guns, so much so that Iwai is getting himself into some shit for selling fake guns that look so real. If I shot you with a gun that looks real and for all intents and purposes shot a real bullet, your first instinct wouldnt be to stop and think 'this is a fake gun.' And even if they do somehow figure out they're fake, Goro was clearly extremely well aware of the fact that their weaponry is all fake (he uses a fake gun himself when he's in his Crow outfit), yet in the boss fight against him the guns work completely fine. It's fair to argue that Goro was losing his mind (he totally was) or its just a gameplay thing, but either way if a guy who factually knows the weapons aren't real still gets hurt by them then SEES/IT most certainly would. As for the other thing, I totally just forgot I wasn't trying to undermine my boy 3-kun. It's extremely weird to try and figure out a mechanical damage wipe like that, since in a not turn/damage based fight like this it's difficult to figure out how deadly this would necessarily be. Obviously its an absurdly potent attack but how big is its range? Maragidyne is an attack that hits 'everything' but theres no conceivable way it has an effective range of 'the whole fucking arena', same thing applies for Armageddon. And if he does do it, are his teammates safe from the utter destruction he would unleash, or is this going by pussy rules where teammates cant hurt each other? Plus Armageddon uses every single bit of his SP, so if he does use it he's gonna be fucking tired. It's a pretty weird situation to try and figure out so I guess it's up to your interpretation, if you think Armageddon is a wipe then P3 wins, if not then the results are about the same. Ok thank u.

    • @Biscuittwo
      @Biscuittwo Před 7 lety +147

      Fither I love you you fucking nerd

    • @AyameAkito
      @AyameAkito Před 7 lety +238

      Actually if P3 main character use armageddon then Futaba will just flip her middle finger in his general direction and use her definitive barrier move that negates all incoming damage (And can stop the attacks from Yaldabaoth) soo Armageddon isn't much of a thing against them, also Futaba can re-arrange reality inside the metaverse creating advantages when the Phanton thieves are surprised which gives them the oportunity to use an All-out-Attack and she continuosly buff and heals everyone during fights.

    • @xerdax9102
      @xerdax9102 Před 7 lety +101

      Was just about to write the same about Futaba.
      Even P4 team could avoid armageddon thanks to Naoto's "Shield of Justice".

    • @charielity6071
      @charielity6071 Před 7 lety +40

      If you include final boss feats, P5 still wins because if Minato ever stops concentrating, they are all gonna die.

    • @Kairnbull
      @Kairnbull Před 7 lety +13

      Fither wait. i just thought of something. what if IT and SEES learned to do the baton passes and harisen recoveries

  • @masoncooper8830
    @masoncooper8830 Před 7 lety +3802

    "the investigation teams downfall is that they dont think"-Fither
    "Don't think. Feel" -Chie

    • @Dadan-dan
      @Dadan-dan Před 7 lety +370

      Mason Cooper "Yeah, let's se how you fell after a bullet hail" - Joker

    • @VainerCactus0
      @VainerCactus0 Před 7 lety +301

      Yusuke- Yes, i think i will call my piece... brutal murder. Ryuji! please adopt a more aesthetically suitable pose.

    • @Fitherfith
      @Fitherfith  Před 7 lety +416

      canon

    • @VainerCactus0
      @VainerCactus0 Před 7 lety +14

      XD

    • @masoncooper8830
      @masoncooper8830 Před 7 lety +29

      Fither I've been waiting for this!

  • @sasakikojiro2075
    @sasakikojiro2075 Před 7 lety +5007

    The winner is the Phantom thieves because Morgana would tell the other groups that they are to tired to fight and have to go to sleep.

  • @gungisgrand225
    @gungisgrand225 Před 4 lety +1659

    SEES: "we must investigate the 13th hour phenomenon"
    Investigation team: "we must find out who is the culprit behind all these local murders"
    Phantom Theives: "bruh we live in a society"

  • @grotus5549
    @grotus5549 Před 4 lety +1578

    Naoto whips out a gun.
    Ryuji: What the eff?! He's got a gun!
    Morgana: Skull, you idiot. We all have guns!

    • @Hiroyashy
      @Hiroyashy Před 4 lety +235

      Ryuji would call Naoto a he, I agree.

    • @azamkhizir3628
      @azamkhizir3628 Před 4 lety +175

      @@Hiroyashy Kanji: First time?

    • @regularboat21
      @regularboat21 Před 4 lety +76

      Speaking of guns, i cant help but think that one factor that could make the SEES be exploited is the fact that they need to shoot the evoker before calling the persona, its been showed multiple times in P5 that the PT is very accurate and precise with their "cognition" guns and they could easily take 1 fighter off from the SEES by stripping/shooting away the evoker as they are predictable in the placement because they need to shoot the head so it becomes incredibly vulnerable to be shot down from his/her hand and without the evoker a SEES member is now less agile/atheletic and cannot use the persona, now it can be argued that aigis doesnt need one or mitsuru and akihiko wont be dumb enough to let that happen but i can see that happening to yukari, junpei or ken

    • @shadowstriker6506
      @shadowstriker6506 Před 4 lety +115

      Trashboat21 speaking of cognition…
      S.E.E.S.: uses evoker
      PT’s: did they shoot themselves?
      Cognition: yep their dead now

    • @theomnigamer9177
      @theomnigamer9177 Před 4 lety +62

      Trashboat21 Actually if I recall correctly, it is incredibly difficult to summon Personas during the Dark Hour, which is why they use the Evokers. Also Fuuka made a side comment that she can use her Persona in the real world, this implies that Persona’s are able to be summoned in the real world, but we are not shown how they do so. And in Persona 4 Arena when Mitsuru was going to use her Evoker, before she pulled the trigger she was able to summon Artemisia. This in turn means that Personas can be summoned without an Evoker in the TV World. Assuming we are going by the same rules that means either every Phantom Thief, Investigation Team, and SEES member need an Evoker, or nobody needs one.

  • @ButIamAStick
    @ButIamAStick Před 7 lety +2241

    Proteins vs Pancakes vs FSteak
    Who will win?

    • @jouheikisaragi6075
      @jouheikisaragi6075 Před 7 lety +250

      caRCH pancakes, they're plot relevant

    • @nastyroastytoastypyro4195
      @nastyroastytoastypyro4195 Před 7 lety +73

      The best kind of pancakes

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 7 lety +202

      I love how someones love of pankaces is a crucial plot point P5 thats just glorious

    • @jouheikisaragi6075
      @jouheikisaragi6075 Před 7 lety +35

      joedatius In Persona 2 a lighter and a watch (along with Power Rangers masks) are pretty much what the plot is about in the first part.

    • @sprifegamer4926
      @sprifegamer4926 Před 7 lety +15

      caRCH PROtein

  • @lancesmites346
    @lancesmites346 Před 4 lety +1711

    "Do we include Goro in this?" *sweats in Royal*

    • @Loki-wd2ib
      @Loki-wd2ib Před 4 lety +109

      Don't worry. Video game logic dictates that the playable character is not at all like the boss.

    • @Loki-wd2ib
      @Loki-wd2ib Před 4 lety +35

      I was pissed when I was able to play black mask akechi.

    • @sethseth8772
      @sethseth8772 Před 4 lety +67

      I thought of persona 5 animation where joker solos Akechi

    • @diousthomas8878
      @diousthomas8878 Před 4 lety +54

      @@Loki-wd2ib Why though. Loki as a persona is busted as hell.

    • @aboveaveragefrog4208
      @aboveaveragefrog4208 Před 4 lety +118

      Royal gives Akechi, Kasumi and tier three personas. PT gets way stronger now

  • @konokolokopokonodokobokogo6669

    Morgana never dies, he just backs out and focuses on support.

    • @andreapiccolo8199
      @andreapiccolo8199 Před 4 lety +15

      Lol

    • @miguellives7811
      @miguellives7811 Před 4 lety +193

      *gets fucking stabbed repeatedly* I'LL BACK OUT AND FOCUS ON SUPPORT

    • @aggressivepianonoises813
      @aggressivepianonoises813 Před 4 lety +74

      Miguel LIVES
      Morgana: *B U R N E D T O A F I E R Y C R I S P*
      Morgana: Ow lemme hide behind this rock now

    • @KVoinre
      @KVoinre Před 3 lety +20

      Ack- I got too reckless...

    • @devilbuster20xx37
      @devilbuster20xx37 Před 2 lety

      By "focusing on support" you mean hiding like a little bitch.

  • @mishaalpatel194
    @mishaalpatel194 Před 6 lety +2445

    I don't get the point of this argument, the Investigation Team wins
    You have to realize that they have the ability to summon the strongest enemy in any of the games
    Chie and Yukiko's cooking

    • @epicgamingtime2379
      @epicgamingtime2379 Před 6 lety +146

      fucking burn

    • @allyrose9494
      @allyrose9494 Před 6 lety +142

      Mishaal Patel Oh man, that is a VERY good point

    • @MultiDante333
      @MultiDante333 Před 6 lety +166

      you forget another point - Fuuka has that ability aswell(her SL is based around that)

    • @olivernunezbone5299
      @olivernunezbone5299 Před 6 lety +8

      ammmm satanael....

    • @para-dx7771
      @para-dx7771 Před 6 lety +125

      Oliver Nuñez Bone lol, Satanael doesn't hold a candle to mystery food x

  • @JohneAwesome
    @JohneAwesome Před 7 lety +2701

    Oh boy here we go!

  • @lyricestrada7103
    @lyricestrada7103 Před 7 lety +1627

    With these teams said here...
    SEES: Neutral
    Investigation Team: Law
    Phantom Thieves: Chaos
    I've gone and done it now.
    (laughs then slightly cries)

    • @godzilla4189
      @godzilla4189 Před 7 lety +282

      IN DnD terms, SEES is Neutral good, IT is Lawful Good and PTOH are Chaotic good.

    • @biogundam6541
      @biogundam6541 Před 7 lety +115

      godzilla4189 I would say the PTOH are more like a mix of chaotic good / neutral.
      Because the organization itself is chaotic good, but the people in it are mostly chaotic good or chaotic neutral.
      Except for makoto who is neutral good and goro who is neutral evil.

    • @eugene9211
      @eugene9211 Před 7 lety +110

      Not really. Law is more about following a specific code of ethics, rather than actually just being a law abiding citizen- For example, Makoto would be lawful good, rather then neutral, as she joined the PTOH in order to defend her ideals. Chaos is more just about personal freedom, like with Ryuji or the P5 Protagonist, without restricting what you can do. It's kinda like how Lucifer in SMT would still be of the law alignment, based on his strictly followed beliefs and his way of acting.
      The investigation team is probably closer to neutrality or chaos.

    • @mattiswan1
      @mattiswan1 Před 7 lety +3

      im neutral evil

    • @Xarmar13
      @Xarmar13 Před 7 lety +47

      I can see all of them being a bit chaotic. They are always fighting the majority opinion of humanity. In P3, it was the wish to see the world end. In P4 it was the wish to avoid the truth of the world and leave it hidden away. In P5 it was the wish to escape responsibility for their own actions which translated to having their lives controlled by someone else. If majority opinion is the law of the world, then chaos is the means to resist jumping on the bandwagon. In that sense, then all teams are chaotic good.

  • @Garfield.
    @Garfield. Před 7 lety +1489

    Ultimate personas of the main characters in a nutshell
    P3:teleports behind you, nothing personal kid
    P4:ImA FiReInG mE lAZErzzzz
    P5:Classy Satan

    • @NotTomorrow1
      @NotTomorrow1 Před 7 lety +94

      Aren't you confusing Messiah with Thanatos?

    • @darkhorse744
      @darkhorse744 Před 7 lety +20

      Waleegee e *personnel

    • @Garfield.
      @Garfield. Před 7 lety +58

      Emmanuel Ladejobi I have disappointed the meme gods with using correct spelling instead of meme spelling

    • @darkhorse744
      @darkhorse744 Před 7 lety +3

      Waleegee e The meme gods are good. If you but ask I'm sure they will forgive you.☺

    • @LuckiSir
      @LuckiSir Před 7 lety +41

      P3: Omae wa mo.... Shinderu.

  • @regalbryant902
    @regalbryant902 Před 4 lety +625

    I like to imagine that as soon as this fight starts Shinji, Kanji, and Ryuji all just square up and have their own mini battle to see who is the one true ji.

  • @Ramash440
    @Ramash440 Před 7 lety +1412

    I like how Goro's face is just crossed out.

    • @kyleauthinus7517
      @kyleauthinus7517 Před 6 lety +91

      R.I.P pancake, will make sure to bring you pancake later

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +34

      he'll most likely kill the phantom thieves if anything in this all out fight...

    • @thunderbolt_blitz
      @thunderbolt_blitz Před 5 lety +33

      P5 has MC and Pancakes Wildcards
      : Saying not fair
      P3: also has two Wildcards one being the person Who controls the world and a toaster who gets the wildcard aswell from loving electricity from Minato outlet

    • @Aussie_Kirby
      @Aussie_Kirby Před 4 lety +29

      At least Aigis is relatively the same strength as the other SEES members.
      Meanwhile Akechi SEVERELY overpowers all the members of the PTs individually.

    • @raihines8750
      @raihines8750 Před 4 lety +4

      @@Aussie_Kirby He also had his persona for the longest I think

  • @acjackson127
    @acjackson127 Před 7 lety +675

    I just thought about something. What If on the last day of Sae's dungeon Goro was just like "btw guys check out my new phone"

    • @VainerCactus0
      @VainerCactus0 Před 7 lety +114

      riiiiip

    • @speedm222
      @speedm222 Před 7 lety +191

      Futaba would've likely act excited again and install the app (again)

    • @thefunny1359
      @thefunny1359 Před 7 lety +168

      acjackson127 just imagine if he downgrades to a Nokia brick

    • @SuperCrazf
      @SuperCrazf Před 7 lety +43

      They would get smoked or Futaba would need to hack it again

    • @jtroxler8
      @jtroxler8 Před 6 lety +67

      Futaba: WOW! You got the other phone I wanted! Le me see!

  • @cloudskeyblade733
    @cloudskeyblade733 Před 7 lety +446

    P3 used a mysterious power to seal away the incarnation of death
    P4 used the truth to kill a god station attendant
    P5 summoned a fucking 60 story high turbo Satan to shoot god in the face with a bullet made of pure sin

    • @midnight4956
      @midnight4956 Před 6 lety +14

      Cloudskeyblade7 I don’t know I just like the concept of Izanami, had to wait for the story to start so she had to find someway to kill time for the meanwhile. So, she went to work at the last place that would make her suspicious.

    • @astronights
      @astronights Před 6 lety +5

      P5 wins.

    • @prodigous21
      @prodigous21 Před 6 lety +34

      guys these are gods, size means shit to them. theyre all just as powerful just different forms

    • @HEX33C1FF
      @HEX33C1FF Před 6 lety +10

      Yaldabaoth is just a fake god, though.

    • @RyoshuLimbus
      @RyoshuLimbus Před 6 lety +7

      Yaldabaoth being the Demiurge makes him an aspect of YHVH in SMT so he is very much real

  • @Sum_Dude2
    @Sum_Dude2 Před 4 lety +489

    Broke: SEES VS investigation Team VS Phantom Thieves
    Woke: An Investigation Team roast session

  • @auramaster3707
    @auramaster3707 Před 7 lety +2372

    p3: I know the meaning to life
    p4: TRUTH
    p5: I killed jesus in people's mind

    • @marche800
      @marche800 Před 7 lety +293

      He killed fake YHWH not Jesus.

    • @RRM25100
      @RRM25100 Před 7 lety +149

      its not jesus, you fucking edge lord

    • @kenansabic2901
      @kenansabic2901 Před 7 lety +30

      Aura Master In P5 it's the Persona universe Demiurge.

    • @mishaalpatel194
      @mishaalpatel194 Před 6 lety +120

      In persona 3, they defeated hippie Jesus and he wasn't even the final boss...

    • @RixaveYustin
      @RixaveYustin Před 6 lety +61

      Don't forget that p5 protagonist also saved Christmas

  • @bravefencermusashi1289
    @bravefencermusashi1289 Před 7 lety +767

    And the winner is Dante From the Devil May Cry.

    • @sLasHeRxXx07
      @sLasHeRxXx07 Před 7 lety +31

      Brave Fencer Musashi lmao no contest, Dante would take them all to school with style. he don't need personas to get it done

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +3

      Super Smash bros. joker got dem dante moves tho...

    • @slowmotionwriting8714
      @slowmotionwriting8714 Před 5 lety +14

      Who would win though, a persona team, or the demi-fiend?

    • @cbladewielder7377
      @cbladewielder7377 Před 5 lety +20

      @@slowmotionwriting8714 Demi-fiend, it's not even a contest

    • @4711DAWN
      @4711DAWN Před 5 lety +6

      Featuring Dante from Devil May Cry's series* you mean

  • @richariot8325
    @richariot8325 Před 7 lety +837

    -SEES VS Investigation Team VS Phantom Thieves- Roast session vs Investigation team

    • @kdog3k
      @kdog3k Před 4 lety +50

      The IT feel like real people stumbling into this situation, and that's part of the reason I think P4 is my favorite of the 3. The characters really carry that game.
      But yeah they don't win this fight if we're just going off of P4. At least in P4A they seemed like competent fighters, if inexperienced.

    • @littlea420
      @littlea420 Před 4 lety +1

      Kevin Swinson I thought persona 3 was number 1 but I thought they were pretty good

    • @takitako7593
      @takitako7593 Před 3 lety +6

      The cast of Persona 4 had the best chemistry.

  • @Jeon1958able
    @Jeon1958able Před 7 lety +1822

    Strongest protagonist: Persona 3 MC
    Strongest team: Phantom Thieves

    • @shumishu6019
      @shumishu6019 Před 6 lety +97

      Jeon1958able Ok now this agree with

    • @derricklim4751
      @derricklim4751 Před 6 lety +203

      Jeon1958able 3 mc is literally god if u think about it

    • @Teh8Swords
      @Teh8Swords Před 6 lety +56

      Not really ? Atleast Minato takes out Sataneal with the Great Seal, but then he is gone.

    • @makotoyuki8947
      @makotoyuki8947 Před 6 lety +182

      I'm basically god the universe, Messiah, the leader, Wild Card, Emo hair,and Death inside me I got all of that.

    • @charlesbrioche6745
      @charlesbrioche6745 Před 6 lety +293

      strongest dancer: p4 protag

  • @Red-vj3ww
    @Red-vj3ww Před 7 lety +2054

    This is easy
    P3: Needed igor to win
    P4: needed igor to win
    P5: Did not need igor

    • @SuperCrazf
      @SuperCrazf Před 7 lety +274

      Red "slow clap"

    • @SaberRexZealot
      @SaberRexZealot Před 7 lety +518

      Red *Killed the fucker who defeated Igor

    • @Fitherfith
      @Fitherfith  Před 7 lety +383

      at some point we're gonna make a video pertaining to Igor, the phantom thieves and a certain final boss

    • @Red-vj3ww
      @Red-vj3ww Před 7 lety +296

      Did Morgana unleash the protagonist's ultimate persona though? No. Akira ripped the chains off on his own.

    • @Monty2289
      @Monty2289 Před 7 lety +290

      You do realize that Igor used the last of his power to send Morgana to guide the player. Even if it didn't work out exactly as planned...without Igor they still would have been fucked.

  • @xerdax9102
    @xerdax9102 Před 7 lety +218

    "Persona5Guy's thing is just fucking enormous"
    -Fither 2017

    • @protagonist-kunspersona5860
      @protagonist-kunspersona5860 Před 6 lety +1

      Xerdax lol I haven't finished Persona 4 yet can somebody tell me what he means by blasts you with the truth I don't care about spoilers thanks in advance

    • @goroakechi6126
      @goroakechi6126 Před 3 lety +6

      @@protagonist-kunspersona5860
      At the end of Golden, Yu gets the world arcana and summons Izanagi-no-Okami, using Myriad Truths to kill Izanami, the real god for the end of the game.

    • @protagonist-kunspersona5860
      @protagonist-kunspersona5860 Před 3 lety +1

      @@goroakechi6126 LOL I eventually figured it out I kind of forgot about this comment but thanks anyway

    • @marrowyoutube
      @marrowyoutube Před 3 lety +2

      @@protagonist-kunspersona5860 I find it funny how that person came here 3 years later to tell you

    • @protagonist-kunspersona5860
      @protagonist-kunspersona5860 Před 3 lety +1

      @@marrowyoutube lol Yea but, it was appreciated anyway😂

  • @nastyroastytoastypyro4195
    @nastyroastytoastypyro4195 Před 7 lety +1260

    In the end, P4's downfall was a lack of thinking, and too much feeling.

    • @totallyasmr8444
      @totallyasmr8444 Před 7 lety +105

      Don't worry I get it.

    • @masoncooper8830
      @masoncooper8830 Před 7 lety +14

      Nastyroastytoastypyro i love this. much more clever than my comment. i salute you sir

    • @nastyroastytoastypyro4195
      @nastyroastytoastypyro4195 Před 7 lety +8

      Great minds think alike buddy.

    • @noticeme6412
      @noticeme6412 Před 7 lety +19

      Nastyroastytoastypyro don't think.Feel

    • @insertnamehere3271
      @insertnamehere3271 Před 5 lety +14

      And because they have no combat training what so ever the only ones who are decent are naoto, kanji and yu is arguably decent to for a beginner

  • @jackboyd8952
    @jackboyd8952 Před 4 lety +420

    Everyone here is wrong. Heres what would happen.
    Morgana: Joker, we can't enter the battlefield.
    Joker: Why not?
    Morgana: There's a huge door in the way.

    • @tropicalisland4755
      @tropicalisland4755 Před 4 lety +46

      no no no. It's past the evening.

    • @poiigf7344
      @poiigf7344 Před 4 lety +13

      I WONDER WHO THAT IS - wait that's feM3

    • @jackboyd8952
      @jackboyd8952 Před 4 lety +47

      Meanwhile, on the other side
      P4 cast: I can't fit in my tv. Shit.

    • @emmemttc
      @emmemttc Před 4 lety +21

      @@jackboyd8952 investigation team:Our glasses conveniently broke. We need new glasses.
      Teddy:Takes out gag glasses
      Investigation team:Yeah, I don't think we wanna go and fight anymore

    • @flippy7035
      @flippy7035 Před 2 lety +3

      @@emmemttc except Yukiko.

  • @AngelinaRox722WW
    @AngelinaRox722WW Před 7 lety +318

    "yo if narukami starts talking about like fake news or something HE'S GONNA LOSE, LIKE JOKER WILL KICK HIS ASS" this made me cackle LMAOO

    • @59hawks
      @59hawks Před 4 lety +42

      Yu" *starts talking how nice Shido is*
      Joker: "Are you sure about that?"

    • @goroakechi6126
      @goroakechi6126 Před 3 lety +7

      *ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT*

  • @almondmilk8676
    @almondmilk8676 Před 6 lety +476

    Fuuka: ok I’ve figured out their weaknesses.....
    Fuuka: (packs luggage be and gets on plane to Hawaii)

  • @beanbandit495
    @beanbandit495 Před 5 lety +512

    P3MC's victory is dependant on if he takes his hands out of his pockets

    • @poiigf7344
      @poiigf7344 Před 4 lety +65

      He wouldn't care enough to stop dancing

    • @tldr585
      @tldr585 Před 3 lety +12

      Underrated

    • @marrowyoutube
      @marrowyoutube Před 3 lety +17

      4it and 5pt have to be strong enough to make Makoto care. impossible.

    • @SelphoZed
      @SelphoZed Před 2 lety +19

      P3MC also instantly wins if he moves his hair away from his eye

  • @yellowmelon5238
    @yellowmelon5238 Před 3 lety +376

    Phantom thieves lose because yusuke starves to death, morgana puts him and joker to sleep, ryuji gets fucked up by everyone in the phantom thieves for trying his best, futaba is too much of an introvert to go out in front of the other teams, makoto stops and sides with aigis as they’re both robots, ann gets mad at ryuji and leaves and haru doesn’t have screentime so she can’t fight

    • @missssparklzz2318
      @missssparklzz2318 Před 3 lety +90

      Haru just doesn't show up 😂😂🤣

    • @sapomercador7257
      @sapomercador7257 Před 3 lety +65

      I love to imagine everyone just ganging up and beating Ryuji because he missed an attack

    • @Zyzzkxx
      @Zyzzkxx Před 3 lety +19

      @@sapomercador7257 me when I charge him and he misses: “Ryuji!!!!…. You had ONE… FUCKING Job!!!”

    • @pottedplant37_
      @pottedplant37_ Před 2 lety

      @@missssparklzz2318 she's a cardboard cut-out

    • @SpicyNetherrack
      @SpicyNetherrack Před rokem +2

      @@Zyzzkxx Ryuji: FOR REAL!?

  • @boohoo723
    @boohoo723 Před 7 lety +360

    They can fight each other as much as they want. Them the P1 and P2 casts can roll up with actual guns, an entire group of people that can switch Personas, and Tatsuya 'I can stop time, survive the universe exploding and borrow the powers of Personas without summoning them' Suou and wipe the floor with the survivors.

    • @hopechr
      @hopechr Před 5 lety +36

      which is why they arent here
      -those games don't exist and they can't hurt me- (/s) (i mean they aren't in pq2 so I don't think Atlus actually cares)

    • @Notkotoyin
      @Notkotoyin Před 4 lety +26

      Tatsuya is Dio confirmed
      (They have the same voice actor too)

    • @thekingofstrategies13
      @thekingofstrategies13 Před 4 lety +4

      Now I must see p1 and 2 vs p3, 4, and 5
      No Goro. He's.... GORO.

    • @tenkuken7168
      @tenkuken7168 Před 4 lety +14

      p1 and p2 characters is more experience to me

    • @wahaha.
      @wahaha. Před 3 lety +1

      .

  • @pramiltonblarpus1873
    @pramiltonblarpus1873 Před 7 lety +219

    the x over goro's face got me dying

  • @rifqihermawan1301
    @rifqihermawan1301 Před 7 lety +453

    yo joker got tortured & druged but still manage to convince sae to side with him ,he is fit and had nerve of steel as for the equipment is not about is real or not but wether ,are they capable of using it ,with iwai connection i think it wouldnt be hard for them to obtain real weapon if necessary

    • @urke5895
      @urke5895 Před 6 lety +3

      His shadow (the best way I can describe it) was there instead of him so he didnt get druget and so on.

    • @HelloAnon
      @HelloAnon Před 6 lety +89

      He does get druged and physically abused in the police station. The only instante that what we see is happening to his shadow is when Akechi shots him and ONLY if we chose to not sell out our team mates in the interrogation with Sae. If we do she leaves inmediatly and Akechi kills us so its game over becouse we dont get to trick Akechi showing him the phone and getting him into Sae's palace, where Akira's shadow is.
      Hell, when Akira gets back to Le Blanc for the reunion best girl Makoto even tell us she cant belive what the police did to us and the critical part of the plan was not spilling out the beans during the interrogation cause of the truth serum-drug kind of thing that we were injected.
      So yea, Akira has hella mental strenght regarding critical life or death scenarios.

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel Před 6 lety

      Except for Haru's battleaxe and grenade launcher.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +8

      rifqi hermawan Haru had the money to provide for the group's needs, so it all comes down to if the phantom thieves are willing to have REAL weapons or not.

    • @5awdust
      @5awdust Před 5 lety +1

      This fact doesn’t really count, does it, but well that doesn’t mean half the investigation team weren’t kidnapped, thrown into a TV, and lived (though thanks to the rest of the investigation team) but still,

  • @DizzyTipsy
    @DizzyTipsy Před 4 lety +355

    You guys also forgot that Futaba can heal, regain sp, charge up, and just block any lethal attack for the phantom thieves.

    • @MerryHaven
      @MerryHaven Před 4 lety +86

      Rise does that in p4 too tho, i think p3 is the only one without someone like that

    • @theomnigamer9177
      @theomnigamer9177 Před 4 lety +17

      Kevin Delgado Well Fuuka’s Ultimate Persona Juno has the skill Oracle which can grant a lot of beneficial buffs to the party, but much like Teddies Ultimate Persona skill Kamui, it can be detrimental since it can potentially reduce HP and SP down to 1.

    • @queueshit5137
      @queueshit5137 Před 4 lety +15

      because it's the latest game. it is obvious that the game mechanics has change, can't compare to 2006 game with 2017 game.

    • @Jfray252
      @Jfray252 Před 4 lety +40

      I forgot that most people only played p5, rise can does that in p4 too and she was op in p4, she could buff the party basically every turn in a battle and her skill were strongest than Futaba and she could discover all the weakness with a single skill, and her persona can tranform in three different form if we count the 3 canon spin-off. Futaba is basically nerfed version of rise in p5.

    • @Mojo1356
      @Mojo1356 Před 3 lety +1

      @@Jfray252 vanilla 5- fair enough, but in Royal, Futaba can essentially hit the reset button on the Phantom Thieves, which is way more broken than anything Rise has.

  • @thrasher698
    @thrasher698 Před 7 lety +240

    Ok, just so we can be clear here: Joker's ultimate persona, in contrast to its name, is not actually Gnosticism Satan. He's closer to a representation of Lucifer. Ironically, Yaldaboth in Gnosticism is a FALSE God, and is more akin to an incarnation of Satan than Satanael.

    • @SomeAsian
      @SomeAsian Před 6 lety +5

      That's... interesting.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety

      Shattercoin I always thought he was both, name and design wise...

    • @baltharaaz9847
      @baltharaaz9847 Před 4 lety +3

      @Miscellaneous Mind Gnosticism is an old offshoot of Christianity that differs... *_radically._* It's quite fascinating.

  • @DaYoLoMaster801
    @DaYoLoMaster801 Před 7 lety +841

    The Ultimate Irony Of Persona: The INVESTIGATION Team Is the dumbest

    • @r9ficial956
      @r9ficial956 Před 7 lety +9

      DaYoLoMaster801 how?they're talking about the strongest,not smartest.

    • @DaYoLoMaster801
      @DaYoLoMaster801 Před 7 lety +143

      i was just saying how ironic it is that the team named after investigating is actually the dumbest

    • @2Quick4You100
      @2Quick4You100 Před 6 lety +51

      That says a lot. P5's cast is pretty simple minded.

    • @OverexitedPlayer
      @OverexitedPlayer Před 6 lety +233

      ImaCompleteCyclePath Keep in mind that the Phantom Thieves can stage a heist and cheat death at the same time while a traitor is within their ranks. I doubt that's simple minded. If you count their whole "our justice is right and nobody says otherwise" shit, they're simple minded in that regard only.

    • @thepickeypenguin7098
      @thepickeypenguin7098 Před 6 lety +112

      ImaCompleteCyclePath they hacked all of Japan. What's simple minded as that

  • @tastytango4841
    @tastytango4841 Před 7 lety +526

    P3 is the only protagonist to use 2 personas at a time so he's pretty damn strong and I think goro should be in it cause keep in mind aigis is somewhat a wild card user in p3 until fes and they have shinji whose a tank, better fighter than kanji, and has no weakness except a kid and a bullet from a hippy Jesus

  • @douglasambrosino7206
    @douglasambrosino7206 Před 7 lety +262

    Didn't Ann bust out of metal restraints during her awakening? She's probably got some level of superhuman strength. (Honestly, it seems like all of the Phantom Thieves except maybe Futaba are superhuman physically. They can do Joker's crazy parkour, Makoto's temper tantrum during her awakening breaks the floor of the bank, Ryuji's already been brought up, etc.)

    • @jorjorbanks8876
      @jorjorbanks8876 Před 4 lety +7

      @@littenfire3563 dark hour and TV world too.

    • @Averi0
      @Averi0 Před 4 lety +81

      @@jorjorbanks8876 It's quoted in the P3 Movie that entering the Dark Hour with a Persona increases your physical abilities greatly. It's not hard to imagine the same goes for the TV World and the Metaverse.

    • @Jotunn96
      @Jotunn96 Před 4 lety +11

      sleepy unoriginal name well we know for a fact it's true for p5 because makoto punches through presumably concrete

    • @keik0223
      @keik0223 Před 4 lety +11

      Douglas Ambrosino And Yuske made his fingers bleed when scratching the floor in his awaking

    • @Hiroyashy
      @Hiroyashy Před 4 lety +7

      The way the flames danced around the bindings makes me think that they weakened them rather than just enhancing her strength

  • @crossbones116
    @crossbones116 Před 7 lety +810

    I mean, Minato literally is Jesus.
    That aside, Thieves for days baby.

    • @noticeme6412
      @noticeme6412 Před 7 lety +238

      Joker is literally Satan who saved christmas

    • @starsturck2701
      @starsturck2701 Před 6 lety +32

      th e I want a satan saves Christmas movie now

    • @prodigous21
      @prodigous21 Před 6 lety +37

      but all protags have a main god of different lores so that doesnt mean anything. jesus, satan, Izanagi.

    • @alihamees1959
      @alihamees1959 Před 6 lety +6

      don't get me started on everything Makoto from p3 is bruh

    • @notspiderman4158
      @notspiderman4158 Před 6 lety +37

      Lol Minato has Jesus, yu has Japanese God, Joker has Satan... wtf Atlus?

  • @JustAdam123
    @JustAdam123 Před 7 lety +880

    The Investigation Team clearly wins. They have the most powerful weapon of all. Dancing.

    • @Solverse_
      @Solverse_ Před 7 lety +94

      JustAdam now introducing dancing star xD

    • @venomcuregaming6734
      @venomcuregaming6734 Před 7 lety +71

      Rhythm King and moon light XD

    • @astronights
      @astronights Před 6 lety +32

      I see you haven't felt that jazz yet.

    • @jeremyfont7135
      @jeremyfont7135 Před 6 lety +3

      True

    • @xeyku4967
      @xeyku4967 Před 6 lety +46

      Truly the actual reason why the P3&5 groups are getting their dancing game.

  • @ramalam210
    @ramalam210 Před 7 lety +392

    Inb4 this is Persona 5 Arena

    • @SuperCrazf
      @SuperCrazf Před 7 lety +9

      Copykat the dream

    • @jaykell2677
      @jaykell2677 Před 4 lety

      morgana turns into a helicopter at the end of P5R

  • @teabisquitter1593
    @teabisquitter1593 Před 3 lety +179

    “Having two wildcards on the same team is kinda a problem” aigis be sweating

    • @Omelander
      @Omelander Před 3 lety +9

      Well she did short circuit in the answer at the end

    • @TakeTheWorld21
      @TakeTheWorld21 Před rokem +17

      @@OmelanderShe’s still confirmed a Wild Card in the Arena games, which are canon

    • @phantomnite
      @phantomnite Před 6 měsíci

      ​@@TakeTheWorld21
      But her being a wild card indicates that Makoto is dead, so if you want Makoto to be apart of sees you cant have wildcard Aigis

  • @youtuberlz7622
    @youtuberlz7622 Před 7 lety +155

    I like how you put an X on Pankechi

    • @bbgunjohnson_899
      @bbgunjohnson_899 Před 6 lety +4

      I get it,
      He's calle pankechi because he lost because of pancakes

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +4

      he's dead, that's why he has an X

    • @poxy5122
      @poxy5122 Před 5 lety +1

      @@bbgunjohnson_899 you fucking madlad

  • @MeltraNS
    @MeltraNS Před 7 lety +327

    death battle leaked footage

  • @TheCrazyGreenGamer
    @TheCrazyGreenGamer Před 7 lety +640

    FUTABA CAN ATIFICIALY MANIPULATE COGNITION ITSELF TO THE PHANTOM THEIVES' FAVOR.

    • @koheikyouji
      @koheikyouji Před 7 lety +337

      TheCrazyGreenGamer Random thug - "Youre getting mugged!!"
      Futaba - "No....youre getting mugged"
      Random thug - "Aaaah how the hell does that even work?!" D:

    • @samthebananacat3649
      @samthebananacat3649 Před 7 lety +25

      koheikyouji asdfmovie yes

    • @seeidk8252
      @seeidk8252 Před 7 lety +100

      koheikyouji the best thing about this comment is that if she had the confidence to, futaba would actually say that

    • @fallenhell6181
      @fallenhell6181 Před 7 lety +4

      It depends if it takes place in the cognitive world, or if it's even playing field

    • @RRM25100
      @RRM25100 Před 7 lety +28

      but she also boosts your attack while you're raged against an enemy that repels phys

  • @Ryzeer2
    @Ryzeer2 Před 4 lety +483

    "One thing I will give the Investigation Team, they have Tier 3 Personas."
    Royal: "I'm about to end this man's entire career."

    • @casuallyYT
      @casuallyYT Před 4 lety +44

      P3: protag has 4

    • @linear5695
      @linear5695 Před 4 lety +27

      @@dokkanbattleplayer2921 then so is golden and FES :P

    • @dennisleonardo2992
      @dennisleonardo2992 Před 4 lety +34

      @@dokkanbattleplayer2921 my G royal is 100% canon LMAO

    • @renamamiya5997
      @renamamiya5997 Před 4 lety +37

      @@dokkanbattleplayer2921 Yes it is. All the updated ones are canon, Including Fes, Golden, and Royal.

    • @Mojo1356
      @Mojo1356 Před 3 lety +1

      @@dokkanbattleplayer2921 this is false.

  • @notCalebJ
    @notCalebJ Před 7 lety +560

    For final boss feats, let's not discount the fact that the Phantom Thieves KILL the God of control. Not as ridiculous as the Universe, but still keeps the investigation team at the bottom

    • @Fitherfith
      @Fitherfith  Před 7 lety +195

      Very true, they totally kill that guy with a single bullet, imagine the hell he would unleash if he shot like 6 bullets

    • @notimportant493
      @notimportant493 Před 7 lety +29

      nyx is no push over either

    • @YBPaladin
      @YBPaladin Před 7 lety +74

      lazygreenjerk But is Yaldabaoth more of a god than Izanami? He is more "active" I guess but Izanami was way more subtle. Honesty, Yalda downfall was that he fucked with Igor; I cant say that I can see Izan messing with him

    • @speedm222
      @speedm222 Před 7 lety +13

      They actually managed to unite the masses together instead of opposing their will to do so.

    • @blackfrost8536
      @blackfrost8536 Před 7 lety +73

      but keep in mind they dont necessarily kill nyx, nyx just says "fuck you" and instantly heals back up, and then the p3 protag seals them away with the power of god, but a ground rule in this fight is no ultimate protag persona's

  • @fallengodtv6838
    @fallengodtv6838 Před 7 lety +143

    I love how Atlus put the dumbest fucking people in the one that's supposed to be a murder mystery.

  • @Chagogo
    @Chagogo Před 7 lety +247

    Just in time for the Blazblue, P4 Arena, Undernight, and RWBY crossover to be announced.

    • @toastofcatbread3207
      @toastofcatbread3207 Před 7 lety +12

      Excuse me, the what?!
      That kinda sounds like bullshit but at the same time it seems like something that would actually happen...

    • @nomadcomicproductions8162
      @nomadcomicproductions8162 Před 7 lety +18

      It exists

    • @MakoTenseii
      @MakoTenseii Před 7 lety +4

      Toast of Burntbread ye dude just got announced. its mad but hey, persona 4 never dies

    • @toastofcatbread3207
      @toastofcatbread3207 Před 7 lety +14

      Dominik Makówka Yeah I just saw the trailer... I'm not even mad that this is technically yet another P4 spinoff, it looks pure hype.
      Also, Arcsys has killed Mahvel TWICE now. How the fuck is Capcom going to pick up themselves this time?

    • @milkboi2765
      @milkboi2765 Před 7 lety

      where's the trailer? or is t real?

  • @yeahepicswag7890
    @yeahepicswag7890 Před 7 lety +445

    SPOILERS, YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
    Edit: Why is everybody coming back to this video again? I forgotten about this comment and now I see it every week.
    Persona 3: Minato (Cannon name), didn't offically kill Nyx, only the avatar. However, S.E.E.S is real strong and Minato has 2 main persona. S.E.E.S is smart enough to plan out stuff. they do experience fighting persona users, and Fighting investigation team
    Persona 4: The Invetigation Team did fight powerfull foes like Ameno-sagiri and Izanami. However, the only ones who who do think and plan are Naoto and Yu. However the do have experience fighting S.E.E.S, plus could dance all night
    Persona 5: Now the Phantom Theves are smart enough to do successful heist, hack all of Japan. They Successfully Killed the God of creation, Saved the world and have experience fighting persona users, and Satanell
    Persona 3: Hard fight
    Persona 4: Good game
    Persona 5: Would dominate
    I Have played all three persona games listed and has gotten true ending for all. I also know all have other stuff but Phantom Theves are most likely the winner
    Persona 3: BURN MY BREAD
    Persona 4: Did someone order a STUPID LOOKING BOSS
    Persona 5: YOU NEVER SEE IT COMMINGh

    • @brunoseixas3658
      @brunoseixas3658 Před 6 lety +60

      "S.E.E.S is smart enough to plan out stuff"
      (Please...mhmhmh...try not to la-- MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!)
      Seriously, dude? S.E.E.S never even wondered how Ikutsuki is normal during the Dark Hour, yet don't have the power of the Persona, and the 12 Shadow bussiness was just too easy (also, it would make Tartarus almost completely useless) and not even Akihiko ever even wondered about it.
      Honestly, if the S.E.E.S was in the same situation as the Phantom Thieves in late november, S.E.E.S would have lost, because they wouldn't be smart enough to see Akechi's "betrayal" coming

    • @kamataro1482
      @kamataro1482 Před 6 lety +33

      true MG.2/Deep Cat
      Agreed on most things except for one nitpick. Yosuke is smart. Smart enough to be the canonical brains of the team prior to Naoto showing up (his profile in P4A).

    • @theamazingb2448
      @theamazingb2448 Před 6 lety +14

      That wasn’t the God of creation it was a fake

    • @closet__optimist
      @closet__optimist Před 6 lety +9

      PappiChi I How was he a fake? He was pretending to be Igor for 90% of the game but in the fight that’s definitely the real deal

    • @llammapajama4824
      @llammapajama4824 Před 6 lety +33

      He was a fake Igor, however he is a real God born from the collective desires of humanity. If Philemon couldn't do shit then he is definitely god class at the very least even if not the God himself.

  • @hellqrow3419
    @hellqrow3419 Před 4 lety +89

    Perfect strategy- The team stays in Bus Morgana as he runs them all over, the P5 Team healing and buffing him while inside.

    • @jojak0512
      @jojak0512 Před 3 lety +14

      Don’t forget they can have Futaba dropping bombs from her ufo at the same time

  • @grayjsnake5465
    @grayjsnake5465 Před 7 lety +117

    I would pay money to see an ova of this fight

    • @octodude3358
      @octodude3358 Před 5 lety +26

      **Phantom thieves are going through a palace when SEES shows up.**
      **The two groups are questioning each other.**
      **The tension is building between the two groups**
      The Investigation team rides in on scooters.

    • @Gamerboi-im3rk
      @Gamerboi-im3rk Před 4 lety +6

      Octodude the investigation team crashes into something on their scooters and they die before the fight even begins

    • @poiigf7344
      @poiigf7344 Před 4 lety

      They all show up however a door falls on them*

  • @biogundam6541
    @biogundam6541 Před 7 lety +378

    Persona 6 plot confirmed!!!

    • @GearGearRingLeader
      @GearGearRingLeader Před 7 lety +79

      BioGundam Persona 6 will star the kid of A previous Persona Protagonist going to Jail in the U.S.A and end up fighting a very fast gay priest.

    • @biogundam6541
      @biogundam6541 Před 7 lety +7

      really thats sounds really cool

    • @GearGearRingLeader
      @GearGearRingLeader Před 7 lety +3

      BioGundam Some of this might actually be apart of Persona 6

    • @KhanhNguyen-mh5ec
      @KhanhNguyen-mh5ec Před 7 lety +17

      And then we have a persona 2 like story where everything is reset again and the next universe stars a stoic protaganist who behave almost like persona 3 and we do this over and over again

    • @darklord21z
      @darklord21z Před 7 lety +12

      ...........i get it

  • @MistikaManiac
    @MistikaManiac Před 5 lety +102

    The Investigation Team would win, clearly. All they'd have to do to win is get the girls to cook for the other two sides before the fight.

  • @petermayer1416
    @petermayer1416 Před 7 lety +392

    I vote Goro joins the investigation Team for game balance reasons.

    • @sLasHeRxXx07
      @sLasHeRxXx07 Před 7 lety +21

      Peter Mayer the IT already had Naoto

    • @epicgamingtime2379
      @epicgamingtime2379 Před 6 lety +20

      Doesnt he get killed by a cognitive version of himself

    • @w0ng659
      @w0ng659 Před 6 lety +12

      Pokem and Garry Well yes how ever they counted shinji in the p3 team and he died a little bit later so it’s unfair.

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel Před 6 lety +16

      Well, it is the investigation team, and he IS supposed to be a detective (even if under false pretenses)

    • @reeznevhater
      @reeznevhater Před 5 lety

      @@epicgamingtime2379
      Sssshhhhh, Stfu

  • @ryemabini8988
    @ryemabini8988 Před 7 lety +428

    Battle starts
    Futaba: TIME FOR MY POWER!1 *Haxes position*
    *every single non Phantom Thief is Held Up*
    *ALL-OUT ATTACK*
    (3-kun uses Armageddon)
    Futaba:NOOOO! *Final Guards*
    *Armageddon hits no Phantom Thief and is severely drains sp*
    Futaba, you da man.

    • @MultiScorpio57
      @MultiScorpio57 Před 6 lety +46

      Rye Mabini *Junpei turns around slowly* WHO DA MAN?!?!

    • @Deathwindgames
      @Deathwindgames Před 5 lety +50

      Rye Mabini minato:459 sp
      Casts Armageddon again
      Aigis: uses Odin to cast thunder reign
      Yukari: mediahrahan
      Mitsuru : godamn Marin Karin

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +10

      THEY'LL NEVER SEE IT COMINGGGG!!!

    • @hopechr
      @hopechr Před 5 lety +22

      Futaba can also hack aigis, which is also a high priority, not quite top but still.
      between assists, she can disable aigis. once SEES and the investigation team start fighting, the phantom thieves avoid confrontation as much as possible until Futaba either permanently shuts down aigis, or, preferably, hacks aigis onto their side to fill SEES full of bullets like what almost happened on 11/4.
      the investigation team is already dead by then. If not, Futaba uses aigis's body to fill the investigation team with bullets, which aigis was probably going to do anyway, and it's slightly less depressing that shooting your own team.

    • @hopechr
      @hopechr Před 5 lety +5

      3kun is actually called door-kun
      canon name is either minato or makoto
      p3p doesnt exist and it cant hurt me

  • @PixelleHearts
    @PixelleHearts Před 6 lety +148

    Notes to add:
    Yusuke has the ability to see the finest openings and details because he is a master artist... so good that he can replicate ANY spell or passive in the game manifested into a spell card
    Makoto by herself is just a monster of a tacitician as well as super mobile as fuck with Johanna
    Futaba is a knowledgeable genius who has studied thousands upon thousands of think tank levels of texts
    Haru has Psy moves... which none of the other teams have been exposed to ever WHICH FUCKING MURDER ENEMIES UNDER MENTAL IMPAIRMENTS (which are supplemented by the metaverse)

    • @damiansaturday6788
      @damiansaturday6788 Před 3 lety +16

      And Makoto has nukes

    • @ksjay7474
      @ksjay7474 Před 3 lety +5

      @@damiansaturday6788 and aikido

    • @sev1120
      @sev1120 Před 8 měsíci +2

      ​@@ksjay7474 Makoto is one of two members of these teams combined that is trained in fighting unarmed, and her fighting style is designed around exploiting an enemy's own strengths.

    • @HarbingerYT
      @HarbingerYT Před 5 měsíci +3

      Exactly. Phantom Thieves have an advantage over the others.
      They have access to Nuclear and Psychic damage, which none of the others have.

  • @MeltraNS
    @MeltraNS Před 7 lety +377

    Everyone vs goro

    • @Blarglesnarfe
      @Blarglesnarfe Před 7 lety +51

      Everyone would win tho.

    • @maelstrom6949
      @maelstrom6949 Před 7 lety +40

      Goro wins, gets bs ohko on everybody

    • @Mr3vilboss
      @Mr3vilboss Před 7 lety

      Maelstrom okami cant be ohko

    • @maelstrom6949
      @maelstrom6949 Před 7 lety

      shhh let it happen

    • @Pandamon1um03
      @Pandamon1um03 Před 7 lety +10

      I hate to say it but theoretically there are two outcomes assuming Goro's power could do this obvious possibility he gets rekt like last time in which case everyone wins second case and what I would attempt myself in his situation not make my self go psychotic but everyone would go psychotic meaning everyone loses because even if he is the only non psychotic then he will get destroyers but if everyone is then all main characters will kill everyone then kill each other prob joker wins or maybe sees actually if it was just main characters who would win? And even better who would win in a no persona fist fight out of the main and protagonists then I think p3 is last prob joker again he is literally bullshit especially with confidant. =]

  • @thatoneyuuki4336
    @thatoneyuuki4336 Před 7 lety +80

    they forgot about the P3 protag having the Fusion attacks (like Cadenza and stuff)

    • @jorjorbanks8876
      @jorjorbanks8876 Před 4 lety +2

      That doesn't change anything tho :)

    • @venomcuregaming6734
      @venomcuregaming6734 Před 4 lety +11

      @@demifiendreal9101 I mean *Armageddon* is just mega fucking severe almighty attack and since the p4 and p5 team don't have a way to counter it by default minato wins but I don't know how that works in lore

    • @shadex0437
      @shadex0437 Před 4 lety +6

      @@venomcuregaming6734 I'm guessing the only way they could counter it is with futaba final guard or have the survival trick and does it do 9999 damage like %wise so it always goes through any type of defense. If not guarding MIGHT work

    • @venomcuregaming6734
      @venomcuregaming6734 Před 4 lety

      @@shadex0437 and not to mention minato can do it twice if not more cause of the power of the universe

    • @shadex0437
      @shadex0437 Před 4 lety +1

      @@venomcuregaming6734 The power of the universe arcana is never really explained so I dont know

  • @dragonkid9332
    @dragonkid9332 Před 7 lety +601

    P4 team dead in minutes

    • @dragonkid9332
      @dragonkid9332 Před 7 lety +43

      minutes cuz Rise

    • @GearGearRingLeader
      @GearGearRingLeader Před 7 lety +3

      Dragon Kid They has the strongest fighter though, Satan, what is sealing death to fighting Gwad.

    • @lazilycloud
      @lazilycloud Před 7 lety +2

      Bob Thesexyfish what?

    • @GearGearRingLeader
      @GearGearRingLeader Před 7 lety +32

      reborn 12 Teddie is Satan.

    • @toastofcatbread3207
      @toastofcatbread3207 Před 7 lety +42

      Bob Thesexyfish Teddie is Lucifer*. Since we're talking MegaTen here, there *is* a difference.

  • @johnskauge
    @johnskauge Před 6 lety +200

    A lot of you are saying p3 is weak because they couldn't kill but only seal Nyx away. I can't say we have an accurate description of SEES' power because Nyx is above all the most powerful. It isn't even a god it's... something else that erases gods. Gods reach out to Nyx to use its power. Nyx isn't something you can kill.
    So at the very least you shouldn't dismiss the p3 team because they couldn't kill Nyx. I'm very certain the other teams wouldn't be able to either... Nothing can. The best you can do is hold it off.

    • @diousthomas8878
      @diousthomas8878 Před 4 lety +10

      But the thing is Yaldabolth might have been the same strength as Philemeon. I mean considering he is the one that created Akechi's persona which was a part of the game with Joker.

    • @KVI_ohm
      @KVI_ohm Před 4 lety +49

      Dious Thomas but nyx is definitely levels above philemon. Philemon was stuck in a web, nyx transcends time.

    • @Zero-fx8pc
      @Zero-fx8pc Před 4 lety +59

      Nyx can’t be killed you can’t defeat death and that is what Nyx is death itself, they sealed her to reduce the damage she was causing because most people where having suicide thoughts and it made Nyx more stronger.
      Sealing something as powerful as Nyx isn’t as easy or insignificant as other people make it seem. Saying "he couldn’t kill Nyx just seal it" make it seems like they where weak and that was the reason they couldn’t kill it when in reality Nyx is unkillable.
      Do you think Joker or Yu could seal Nyx? I highly doubt it, Makoto/Minato is the only one that has managed to get the universe arcana so far which is the strongest one.
      Igor words regarding the universe arcana:
      With this newfound power... You may be able to defeat the one who cannot be defeated. What you have in your hands is the power of the Universe... ...Nothing is outside the realm of possibility for you now.
      Izanami and Yaldabaoth are nothing compared to Nyx, she is basically an alien known as the "planet eater".

    • @raito6689
      @raito6689 Před 4 lety +3

      @@Zero-fx8pc Not really make Nyx "stronger" but make Erebus closer to her. You know? The one that wants to be in contact with Nyx? Hence why the seal is there in the first place.

    • @kyleauthinus7517
      @kyleauthinus7517 Před 4 lety +3

      @@KVI_ohm wait what? Last I check Philemon recreated the universe after Nyarhaloteph destroyed it so, doesn't that mean that Nyx was also destroyed and recreated, so if Nyx was meant to be stronger than the two of them, how were they able to destroy and resurrect Nyx?

  • @MultiFreaknik
    @MultiFreaknik Před 7 lety +188

    Mechanics wise Persona 5 wins due to having more type coverage and being able to dodge nuclear energy, and survive that one big bang equivalent burger attack, and if we count dlc's the P5 protag has all of the protagonists non ultimate personas and some other unique ones.

    • @MultiFreaknik
      @MultiFreaknik Před 7 lety +62

      Can't forget that baton pass power up

    • @VainerCactus0
      @VainerCactus0 Před 7 lety +34

      Plus maximum style.

    • @thomasthecoolkid7228
      @thomasthecoolkid7228 Před 7 lety +27

      I personally like to think that only the Picaro versions are canon for him.

    • @noticeme6412
      @noticeme6412 Před 7 lety

      But the burger attack can be drained into health if you're lucky

    • @nerocrow4040
      @nerocrow4040 Před 7 lety +1

      Also he has Minato ultimate persona Messiah

  • @asantethewise8492
    @asantethewise8492 Před 7 lety +257

    They scratched out akechi😂😂😂😂

    • @sleepyprince2815
      @sleepyprince2815 Před 6 lety +18

      Well he's not a phantom thief. He only worked with them once really, just as simple alies. So it makes sense to scratch him out.
      -i still love akechi tho, fight me-

    • @aman937
      @aman937 Před 6 lety

      Plutodagreaser θ he's dead

    • @JaelinBezel
      @JaelinBezel Před 6 lety

      As they should. The only reason he's even in that image is just because excluding him would be a spoiler in and of itself.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +3

      that's too bad... The phantom thieves could use a bless user...

    • @sergiosalazar8702
      @sergiosalazar8702 Před 3 lety

      truthseeker at least they worked twice so maybe they coincide Pancakes in the fight as well

  • @toastofcatbread3207
    @toastofcatbread3207 Před 7 lety +151

    Goddamn, I never realized how weak the Investigation Team was compared to the Phantom Thieves and SEES before...
    Also, am I the only one who wants a Persona game where your team is an a coliseum of sorts and you have to fight your way through other teams of Persona users (maybe in a tournament setup or something)? I know the Arena games sort of had something like this, but I'm talking about with the main RPG format. I can't really see something like this being a mainline Persona game, but I could definitely see it being a spinoff or as a special dungeon in one of the main games.

    • @Yoshemo1
      @Yoshemo1 Před 7 lety +7

      Play the Answer arc in Persona 3 FES, its got that kinda

    • @toastofcatbread3207
      @toastofcatbread3207 Před 7 lety

      Well yeah, but that was only 2v2 battles that were kinda restricted. I'm talking full-on 4v4 match-ups with each of the teams having their own unique abilities or gimmicks or whatever.

    • @tylercafe1260
      @tylercafe1260 Před 7 lety +7

      Toast of Burntbread I can only see that working if it was like a Multiplayer thing

    • @toastofcatbread3207
      @toastofcatbread3207 Před 7 lety

      Multiplayer battles could be cool too, although I initially dismissed the idea because I'm imagining they'd usually end in one player just wiping the other, simply due to the fact that player characters in Persona are generally balanced around fighting enemies with much more health than yourself that also don't have as much of a variety of skills as you do.

    • @5awdust
      @5awdust Před 5 lety

      Super Smash bros ULTIMATE!! Tourney, also, you can make your own miis (someone already made miis that look like all of them, anyways)

  • @alex-zj6ef
    @alex-zj6ef Před 3 lety +43

    P3: beat god +1 girl +another robot
    P5: beat god +bus
    P4: beat god +knows truth
    All: CAN DANCE

  • @matthewcoyle4131
    @matthewcoyle4131 Před 7 lety +69

    Awww yeah! It's the showdown we've all been waiting for! Who is best wai....... I mean which game has the best team!

    • @AntediluvianGirl
      @AntediluvianGirl Před 5 lety +1

      Clearly Yukiko and Futaba would win

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety

      Yukiko would definitely win. Her awful cooking is even more powerful than a megdiloan.

    • @hopechr
      @hopechr Před 5 lety +1

      the toaster wins, but futaba makes the toaster defeat everyone else before kiling itself via hacks

  • @rockstarstitch
    @rockstarstitch Před 7 lety +215

    There is only one way to prove who is the definitive winner:
    *The second Fither Games*

  • @Space_Cat969
    @Space_Cat969 Před 7 lety +251

    Whichever team has the best waifus automatically wins.

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 7 lety +101

      P5 has kawakami so P5 wins.

    • @Blarglesnarfe
      @Blarglesnarfe Před 7 lety +12

      joedatius Not as a team member they don't tho.

    • @sLasHeRxXx07
      @sLasHeRxXx07 Před 7 lety +3

      Eggs cooked On a rock each game has their waifus

    • @Houndz1100
      @Houndz1100 Před 7 lety +57

      P5 has Makoto, auto-W

    • @ade8296
      @ade8296 Před 7 lety +43

      P5 has Futaba, instant win

  • @Skywardflare758
    @Skywardflare758 Před 5 lety +134

    I think SEES is being underestimated here. For one, they fought in the most intense environment. The Dark Hour had the same physical drain that the TV World has, but it gives the smallest boost. It just allows more persona power/abilities than non Dark Hour time, but not even on the level of the TV World. Evokers are needed only due the Dark Hour being more harsh, as in the TV World they had no need for them. Meanwhile the Metaverse flat out gives the Phantom Thieves more abilities and options. We haven’t seen SEES or the Investigation Team operate in a similar environment.
    SEES also has the strongest individuals. The biggest advantages the Phantom Thieves have are Futaba, Morgana, and Joker. Everyone else is normal, and Door-kun’s solo fusion spell ability should put him on the same level as Joker. Aigis alone is a massive powerhouse, and most of the SEES members should beat most Phantom Thieves in an equivalent one on one. Plus, Fuka counters any kind of stealth the Phantom Thieves may use.
    The Phantom Thieves strategy relies on Joker and Morgana. Those two are the brains of the operations, without them, the rest of the team loses a lot of their tactics advantage. While SEES has weaker overall teamwork, each of them function well in isolation. The Phantom Thieves also had the advantage of scoping out their targets and taking time to plan. SEES didn’t get that opportunity, they had to wait until the full moon and improvise every time. They didn’t even have a Morgana or Teddy with built in knowledge, they were working almost entirely blind until near the end. They also have several characters that can fill the leader position in case Door-kun can’t, with Mitsuru, Akihiko, and Aigis all capable to lead. SEES is extremely adaptable.
    Overall, a lot of the things that make SEES look weaker are muddy. The Dark Hour vs Metaverse, the operating blind, the more individualistic members, and console limitations (flat PS2 environments vs the extremely stylish PS4 stuff) severely muddy the comparison. Phantom Thieves may still win out in the end, but I think SEES definitely has a chance.

    • @kazeace853
      @kazeace853 Před 4 lety +20

      Preach... Did you read the P3 Guidebook? because that gives more info about the lore and origins of the game.

    • @Omelander
      @Omelander Před 3 lety +7

      Yes but the phantom thieves were literally WIPED FROM COGNITION at the end of 5 and basically came back from the dead in a sense

    • @jalikjohnson3698
      @jalikjohnson3698 Před 2 lety +9

      Phantom theives also has Futaba and Makoto who is also really intelligent, and they did a very massive feat in p5 royal.

    • @aprinnyonbreak1290
      @aprinnyonbreak1290 Před 2 lety +36

      Legit.
      People are sleeping on Aigis.
      Aigis is MILLITARY GRADE HARDWARE.
      She doesn't have an imaginary grenade launcher. She has a grenade luncher.
      She's a goddamn Terminator, that needs ur HALP. Dundundun dundun.

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 Před 2 lety +9

      @@Omelander You know what that proves ??? Nothing, cause it's not like they came back by themselves, it wasn't a power they had or they had strong wills. Since it isn't a feat they did by themselves it means jack shit.

  • @FlubbedPig
    @FlubbedPig Před 7 lety +103

    It's like Batman vs Superman. It all depends on how much planning time Phantom Thieves got. EDIT: Nah, I take it back. Didn't think of Futaba hacking Aigis. That shit's on lockdown.

    • @hheecckk526
      @hheecckk526 Před 7 lety +33

      aigis cant be hacked thats been implied to be impossible with hee circuit board being destroyed in p3 the answer and continues to operate. also futaba can only hack certain things like phones and websites if she could hack anything she could have gotten the info from saes laptop instead of needing Makoto to get it for her. safe to say if she cant hack a laptop she cant hack a top secret government killing machine

    • @littlekuribohimposte
      @littlekuribohimposte Před 7 lety +6

      Futaba hacked into the airwaves, blocking all other channels. And Aigis is a robot. Her brain is a CPU. She can and has been hacked.

    • @hheecckk526
      @hheecckk526 Před 7 lety +32

      aigis is the equivalent to a robot with its batteries taken out. there should be no possible way for her to even operate yet she does anyway. also aigis has never been hacked outright at any point aside from when itsuki took over here which was when her circuit board was still intact. its heavily implied that while aigis body is a machine her ability to have the wild card shows she has her own soul and is not just an A.I(her "brain" is an A.I not a cpu) and she can still use her robotic functions in addition to that. futuba hacking into airwaves via her computer is not the same as hacking into a super advanced machine made by the most secret portions of the japanese government. also you need to remember futaba cant hack things instantly and if aigis could be hacked it would take a very long time to hack into an A.I that has more advanced technology that she never has even seen or heard of.

    • @charielity6071
      @charielity6071 Před 7 lety +9

      if you put the answer in the mix then yes, aigis can't be hacked. don't count that, then aigis will be a fucking lone slave in the street for futaba

    • @hheecckk526
      @hheecckk526 Před 7 lety +7

      Charielity they stated in this video that they are only not counting the arena versions of the games. that means she cant be hacked. and again even if futaba could hack her good fucking luck as aigis has broken out of hacking through force of will making hacking her useless.

  • @mntyki6941
    @mntyki6941 Před 7 lety +31

    P5- has a megazord
    P4- has the power of Truth i guess
    P3- has a guy who could literally do everything

  • @este45ful
    @este45ful Před 7 lety +59

    i just realized they crossed Akechis face, LMAO

  • @djhawk8454
    @djhawk8454 Před 5 lety +46

    So, we've got undercover monster hunter group vs Mystery Inc. with a bear vs the Kids Next Door Cooper Gang armed with grenade launchers and sub machine guns.
    Should be interesting.

  • @acjackson127
    @acjackson127 Před 7 lety +72

    Actually the phantom thieves have the most mobility, not only do that have Morgana but also Ryuji. He can run at the speed of sound.

    • @dbulletztv
      @dbulletztv Před 7 lety +4

      acjackson127 he's not the flash 😂

    • @acjackson127
      @acjackson127 Před 7 lety +1

      Ivan TV Clearly you weren't paying attention to the God of speed.

    • @dbulletztv
      @dbulletztv Před 7 lety +20

      acjackson127 he runs like someone who does track. which of course he does.

    • @acjackson127
      @acjackson127 Před 7 lety

      Ivan TV How blasphemous

    • @JojoDigitalArtist
      @JojoDigitalArtist Před 7 lety +9

      Don't forget Makoto with her bike persona

  • @ibuprofen_psychosis
    @ibuprofen_psychosis Před 7 lety +49

    Tatsuya's crew would manhandle all three at once, since they all got the wildcard.
    And Eikichi's got a fucking guitar case machine gun, come on.

    • @simonguanlao8115
      @simonguanlao8115 Před 7 lety +7

      Moonman well fuck i need to play innocent sin/eternal punishment now

    • @venomcuregaming6734
      @venomcuregaming6734 Před 7 lety +9

      Moonman a wildcard doesn't mean anything when you are up against a semi immortal junpei and revolver jesus

    • @itsboku
      @itsboku Před 7 lety +1

      THANK YOU SOMEONE FINALLY SAID IT

    • @kamataro1482
      @kamataro1482 Před 6 lety +7

      venomcuregaming
      Tatsuya remade the universe on his own, and has enough mental strength to maintain his sense of self in the Sea of Souls (a place where you are everyone and everyone is you). Mental strength is directly proportionate with Persona power, so that makes Tatsuya stupidly powerful.

    • @bentvk2248
      @bentvk2248 Před 3 lety

      They also have Maya and the power of positivity

  • @obabajenkens6699
    @obabajenkens6699 Před 7 lety +152

    Good video, but you guys didn't really talk about how each team handles battle. In the investigation team and the phantom thieves case, Joker and Yu call the shots and can execute whatever battle plan they need to. However, P3 guy can't really do this. He may be SEES leader, but in combat, everyone just kinda does whatever they want without any cordination between party members.

    • @sageky
      @sageky Před 7 lety +26

      Obaba Jenkens I hear you can control the other members in the psp version of persona 3.

    • @jameer7565
      @jameer7565 Před 7 lety +2

      +sageky Yeah in portable (which is the latest version of p3) you control the party as the leader. So I guess it's the most accurate and makes more sense since Minato/Makoto is the leader.

    • @haruokumura4271
      @haruokumura4271 Před 6 lety +21

      It's alittle something called changing the
      tactics

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +6

      Cye Rye 21 considering nobody knows each other's weaknesses aside from joker having the third eye ability then team phantom thieves takes the cake for having the element (no pun intended) of last surprise. S.E.E.S will never see it COMING!

    • @hopechr
      @hopechr Před 5 lety +5

      @@Evil_Beauty pun was intended, and they all have supports to scan the enemy. futaba could try interference and screw over SEES (the investigation team can be ignored entirely because theyre weak)
      hacker + robot = hacked robot

  • @spyorca2836
    @spyorca2836 Před 4 lety +97

    "The Investigation Team is the most mobile with their scooters."
    Morgana car/helicopter: "Am I a joke to you?"
    Edit:Also when Ikutsuki took control of Aigis, she was able to retake control by herself due to her human side, so I don't think Futaba will be able to control Aigis for long.

    • @tropicalisland4755
      @tropicalisland4755 Před 4 lety +3

      she won't be able to use the mech parts of her tho. Futaba is a quick thinker and learner she will realize that her grasp is fading and just over heat to the max on the robot parts.

    • @reaperofthings
      @reaperofthings Před 4 lety +10

      Futaba can literally hack people’s cognitions, that allows her to just give the finger to anyone if she decides to. Getting ambushed? Nah, YOU got ambushed by US! Reaper about to kill a Phantom Thief? Hah, he wishes! Her hacking skill would be such that Aigis would be SEES biggest weakness, even if only for a few seconds. And that’s not even going into the idea that when Futaba hacks Mementos, she’s hacking either Yaldabaoth’s or the entirety of Tokyo’s cognition.

    • @spyorca2836
      @spyorca2836 Před 4 lety +6

      @@reaperofthings Well shit, Futaba beats everything I guess lol

    • @diousthomas8878
      @diousthomas8878 Před 4 lety +10

      @@spyorca2836 She so God damn broken. In one stream a dude had to face the wrath of Yaldabolth with of his damn sins and did his ultimate move and the streamer was just like "Fuck this I've had enough of his bullshit" and was playing on very hard and then Futaba Final Guard kicked and it blocked it. The streamer and the chat went ballistic.

    • @Zero-fx8pc
      @Zero-fx8pc Před 4 lety +11

      Aigis has real guns all she needs to do is shot Futaba before she does that.

  • @SchwayGoose
    @SchwayGoose Před 7 lety +231

    The Persona 2: Innocent Sin crew wins

  • @AverageRomanceEnjoyer
    @AverageRomanceEnjoyer Před 7 lety +243

    Spoilers!
    Phantom Thieves win, because while SEES has beat Nyx's avatar, they haven't fully beat Nyx as the Nyx Avatar isn't truly Nyx the Goddess of Death itself, at full strength. Minato (Manga name, my preferred) only "beat" Nyx by sealing it, which isn't a "true" victory. On the other hand, The Phantom Thieves have actually killed a god(Yaldabaoth). Who is all 7 billion+ people on earth's cognitions and desires, who beat and banished Igor, and made his own version of Philemon and Nyarlathotep's game by himself. Therefore, feat wise, the PToH are the strongest team is P3-5

    • @jasonwu1847
      @jasonwu1847 Před 7 lety +62

      Nyx in p3 is a kinda bs alien thats older than life so shes above any sort of God in the universe

    • @AverageRomanceEnjoyer
      @AverageRomanceEnjoyer Před 7 lety +24

      jason wu I agree, Nyx descending from the moon pulls a lot of alien vibes, but Yaldabaoth could be stronger than Philemon and Nyarlathotep being able to recreate their game by himself makes him probably a small amount weaker than Nyx, but a kill's a kill.

    • @jasonwu1847
      @jasonwu1847 Před 7 lety +16

      Green Tea 123 I agree the ptoh are the strongest team but I feel the longer we go down in time the more sees would have the advantage due to training and the backing of an organization. as for yalds I dont think he's stronger than phil and nyarly at their full power considering that their the absolute embodiment of humanity but they seem to be weakened after p2

    • @AverageRomanceEnjoyer
      @AverageRomanceEnjoyer Před 7 lety +2

      Yeah but, in the vid they say the training isn't a viable advantage and the Kirijo Group would be useful in a no outside powers battle royale, Shinji is their only advantage(for numbers). I don't think Nyar and Phile can ever get back to full cause u can't get something damaged back to mint, so Yald is stronger on the power scale currently, and possibly forever.

    • @thejeffrey8508
      @thejeffrey8508 Před 7 lety +31

      Green Tea 123 If Nyx was destroyed then death ceases to exist in the world. Sealing it away from Erebus was the only option

  • @minatoarisato2012
    @minatoarisato2012 Před 7 lety +137

    P5 is my favorite cast, but the P4 team caught a serial killer without all the government's support and a team of about 6 or 7 people in high school; they're not stupid at all.

    • @simonguanlao8115
      @simonguanlao8115 Před 7 lety +59

      Minato Arisato eh, they had a detective but i see your point

    • @haruokumura4271
      @haruokumura4271 Před 6 lety +130

      A majority of that investigation is spent with them running around with their heads cut off until Naoto, an experienced detective, joins the team

    • @JJ-mm4pw
      @JJ-mm4pw Před 5 lety +69

      Phantom Thieves stopped a Prime Minister from dominating over Japan and possibly corrupting the Nations, I think that's more impressive than a serial killer.

    • @themaskedswordmaster2714
      @themaskedswordmaster2714 Před 5 lety +61

      The phantom thieves figured out how to cheat death and then caught a man who had all of Japan under his thumb not to mention the literal yakuza crime lord that they caught before the police

    • @thevgshow2723
      @thevgshow2723 Před 5 lety +2

      Sure but there not nearly as smart as the other two

  • @_r._7513
    @_r._7513 Před 4 lety +50

    For Goro Akechi, I believe he solo’d the palaces by being sneaky and assassinating his targets.
    And if this is the case, it’s possible for him to be sensed especially by Fuuka, who specializes in sensing life, especially shadows and personas.

    • @davidc.
      @davidc. Před rokem +10

      He specifically said "tear through" when talking about shidos palace, i think he'd do both but would more often then not kill any shadow that had the misfortune of being near him

    • @sev1120
      @sev1120 Před 8 měsíci +2

      He uses the stealth method of "nobody to report me if there's nobody alive"

  • @Arexion5293
    @Arexion5293 Před 7 lety +72

    The winner is obviously Demi-Fiend.

    • @charielity6071
      @charielity6071 Před 7 lety +5

      obviously.

    • @speedm222
      @speedm222 Před 7 lety +1

      Or the DDS cast if they try real hard

    • @j-rockdeking9876
      @j-rockdeking9876 Před 6 lety +6

      Best plot twist ever. Demi fiend just drops outta nowhere and proceeds to DESTROY EVERYONE

    • @HarbingerYT
      @HarbingerYT Před 3 lety

      @@j-rockdeking9876 ONE MORE GOD REJECTED

  • @PetraDunamancer
    @PetraDunamancer Před 7 lety +50

    at the end of persona 3 fes the answer aigis is said to have her circuit board (basically what keeps a machine alive) completely burnt out, meaning that she can't be hacked. But if you're just using the journey version of aigis then she probably will be hacked

    • @notimportant493
      @notimportant493 Před 7 lety +2

      she cant hack anything thats not acctualy connected to the internet or another soyrce she is connected to it

    • @marche800
      @marche800 Před 7 lety +22

      Aigis has been able to override her programming at multiple occasions plus she runs off an ai powered by a plume of dusk which is essentially a human brain inside a piece of the death god nyx. Also Futaba just installed a program to copy sae's hard drive, thats simple stuff.

    • @Finchyay
      @Finchyay Před 6 lety +2

      Marche800 So does Labrys, and she got hacked in Arena. And she was considerably more human than Aigis was when she got hacked in The Journey.

    • @revolvingworld2676
      @revolvingworld2676 Před 5 lety +3

      @@marche800
      If we are including the plume of dusk as canon then we need to include labrys and arena as canon, the girl who was more human then aigis and the girl who was hacked by an inexperienced edgy highschooler.

    • @marche800
      @marche800 Před 5 lety +4

      @@revolvingworld2676 Arena is canon. Plus you gotta remember Sho didn't hack her, he had a button that he presumably got from an old research facility, that forcefully overrides her to use as an output device. It's likely something that was explicitly programmed into her from the start. Also let's not forget that Labrys also overrode that function thanks to her shadow.

  • @ZayZenBlaze
    @ZayZenBlaze Před 6 lety +75

    Considering the way the characters in Persona 5 look, if you had them and the Persona 3/4 characters in the same room together, I’m pretty sure they would look at the 5 cast and ask: you guys are in high school?

  • @andygunlocke
    @andygunlocke Před 6 lety +64

    You are all wrong. Junpei wins.
    Because he's da man.
    But in all seriousness, the Phantom Thieves are the greatest team out of the three. But if it's a battle between the three MCs, P3 MC wins hands down. Minato's basically Jesus.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +7

      Andy Gunlocke And joker's satanael is basically satan and lucifer in the form of a devil angel.

    • @jorjorbanks8876
      @jorjorbanks8876 Před 4 lety +2

      Satanael is part of the humanity now. His bullets can pierce gods. That alone trumps minato

    • @KVI_ohm
      @KVI_ohm Před 4 lety +6

      Jor Jor Banks no, minato can just literally be like “sorry, you don’t exist anymore.” And easy dub.
      We know this because even igor states “with this power, no miracle is impossible.”

    • @jorjorbanks8876
      @jorjorbanks8876 Před 4 lety +4

      @@KVI_ohm If that's the case then he should have done that to Nyx, But that didn't happen. Obvious he can't do anything. So what Igor said is invalid.

    • @KVI_ohm
      @KVI_ohm Před 4 lety +9

      Jor Jor Banks thats because nyx is also omnipotent, she literally transcends time, and isnt the collective unconscious like philemon or yaldy. Its like when an unstoppable force (nyx), meets an immovable object (makoto), as they are both omnipotent. And if you’re just saying what igor says is wrong or invalid, than we cant take anything of what he says as fact.

  • @Velvito
    @Velvito Před 7 lety +47

    I Believe They Should've Done Separate Fights With The Corresponding Characters
    (MakotoVsRyujiVsAhki)

    • @tylercafe1260
      @tylercafe1260 Před 7 lety

      Wouldn't make too much sense but I see where your coming from

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 7 lety +1

      AnnVsRise RyujiVsBrosuke YusukeVsKanji

    • @Blarglesnarfe
      @Blarglesnarfe Před 7 lety +1

      But... Ann would just whip the shit outta Rise, and then Yukari would snipe her.

    • @speedm222
      @speedm222 Před 7 lety +16

      But Ann has that sweet SMG, and we all know Yukari when it comes to aiming....

    • @ekkomerchant
      @ekkomerchant Před 6 lety +1

      joedatius Ryuji's arcana is Chariot though he would fight Chie

  • @damascusunverse8183
    @damascusunverse8183 Před 7 lety +301

    Goro Akechi solos everyone. You see that mans moveset? Lmao

    • @VolticWind
      @VolticWind Před 6 lety +8

      Damascus Unverse Robin Hood isn’t his true Persona, Loki is.

    • @mystic_spider
      @mystic_spider Před 6 lety +17

      *Za Warudo

    • @yannispirou101
      @yannispirou101 Před 5 lety +26

      He even solos the palaces alone when he is entering the metaverse to mentally shutdown people.

    • @connorpittman5341
      @connorpittman5341 Před 4 lety

      @@VolticWind Pretty sure that is what he is referring to.

    • @TechBlade9000
      @TechBlade9000 Před 4 lety +6

      @@VolticWind He's a wild card, he can have both

  • @hodelngasu3103
    @hodelngasu3103 Před 7 lety +98

    Shame not a lot was discussed regarding Yusuke and Makoto... o_o Makoto's Persona is a Nuclear Powered Transformer.

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +4

      Hodel Ngasu yeah, but she's useless.

    • @pee8607
      @pee8607 Před 5 lety +5

      truthseeker yeah ok

    • @Evil_Beauty
      @Evil_Beauty Před 5 lety +3

      Pee having a persona balanced in all stats excelling in nothing but support? yeah. useless. I don't need another support when I already have morgana. whom is better might I add.

    • @jorjorbanks8876
      @jorjorbanks8876 Před 5 lety +1

      @@Evil_Beauty How?

    • @Cross-hx1wp
      @Cross-hx1wp Před 5 lety +2

      @@Evil_Beauty chill on the makoto hate dude and this video says otherwise czcams.com/video/nXbnIAiTYuI/video.html

  • @4bitsnickers359
    @4bitsnickers359 Před 4 lety +29

    Morgan’s: “ guys I ran over the investigation team there’s blood on my tires!”

    • @poiigf7344
      @poiigf7344 Před 4 lety +2

      Also morgana: I hit my beautiful face on a door!!

    • @Omelander
      @Omelander Před 3 lety

      Just give teddie some honey and the dog a tennis ball to distract them

  • @meta8586
    @meta8586 Před rokem +15

    I can actualy imagine Yosuke and Teddie being affected by Mitsuru's marin karin in the first 10 seconds of fight

  • @Verlurion
    @Verlurion Před 5 lety +45

    So, my personal breakdown would be...
    Protagonists -
    Door-kun (Universe Arcana and has the ability to form fusion spells, Armageddon and Infinity are on their own OP, could make it even more OP if we went by Portables rules and have them be usable items with no drawbacks) > Joker > Chad Narukami
    Support - (from the perspective of combat assistance)
    Rise > Futaba > Fuuka
    Mascot Character -
    Morgana > Teddie > Koromaru (Unless you consider Aigis the mascot character in which case I say she beats Morgana)
    General team composition -
    Phantom Thieves > SEES > Investigation Team
    Now... One thing we could do is include the velvet room assistants for each protagonist to see how that would effect things, in which case
    Velvet room assistants -
    Margaret > Elizabeth > Lavenza
    Another thing to consider is ultimate personas in which case I say...
    Ultimate Personas -
    Investigation Team (Naoto has shield of justice which blocks ALL damage for the entire party, Chie has Dragon Hussle which buffs the entire parties attack, defence and hit/evasion, Yukiko has Burning Petals which deals severe fire damage to all opponents, also its worth noting that their 3rd personas allow them to absorb the element they are strong against, and the Investigation team also has special team moves such as Yukiko & Chies and Naoto & Kanji's) > Phantom Thieves > SEES

    • @5awdust
      @5awdust Před 5 lety +4

      If the Investigation Team had only 1 Ultimate Persona, they would have a much better chance, since their Ultimate personas are SUPER good! They would straight up win if they all had their ultimate personas, and if their wild cards were the only ones without their final personas, then the investigation team has a very decent chance of winning.

    • @trashywaifu5287
      @trashywaifu5287 Před 5 lety +4

      this is why they said no universe arcana and no spin off boosts because without them there's equal ground between everyone.

    • @idunnoaskmydog3412
      @idunnoaskmydog3412 Před 4 lety

      I think Chad narukami>joker, why? Let's compare their first persona first izanagi have good buff and debuff i mean early game u have tarukaja, rakukaja and rakunda while arsene just have sukunda and also izanagi just have one weakness, and arsene is two weakness

    • @unodos2647
      @unodos2647 Před 4 lety

      No sorry Good Boye powers destroys them both instantly

    • @jorjorbanks8876
      @jorjorbanks8876 Před 4 lety +7

      Ultimate persona: phantom thieves
      Ryuji and Ann can provide full party charge and concentrate. Yusuke and makoto can give full party Heat riser and Debilitate. Futaba can also use full party healing + Revive. Satanael can also Kill gods with his bullets.

  • @raichu753siordia2
    @raichu753siordia2 Před 4 lety +22

    Persona 5 Royal: I'm about to mess this video up

    • @Hiroyashy
      @Hiroyashy Před 4 lety +1

      Yeah, Third Awakening skills screw all of them.

    • @piotrwiatr6227
      @piotrwiatr6227 Před 4 lety +1

      @@Hiroyashy and then we have the P3/4 protag fights

    • @tfergy96
      @tfergy96 Před 4 lety +3

      I think Royal just makes it an even more brutal slaughter.

    • @WardenKaz
      @WardenKaz Před 4 lety

      I feel like you kinda of need Akechi participating now after what he does in royal

    • @damiansaturday6788
      @damiansaturday6788 Před 3 lety +4

      Let's see, in royal
      Grappling hook mobility
      Showtime feats
      Fighting a persona user empowered by the masses just like joker with Satanael possibly equal to or beyond it as well as tanking it's strongest attack three different times without futaba's final guard, showing that endure can work multiple times in a row
      Third tier personas that rival and even surpass the investigation teams (-teddie's bs)
      Persona trait's that give them all insane advantages (will of the sword triples the effect of charge/concentrate =6x damage, and mighty gaze breaking the single hit damage cap, complete status immunity, up to 4 free revives etc)
      Perfect personas via the Fusion alarm (99 in everything essentially on par with the persona's of the velvet room attendants)
      Joker's guns that bypass nulls, drains and resists
      Maria's bs wolverine level healing factor immortality and sp regeneration (I can literally spam hassou Tobis, myriad truths, megidolans and morning stars thanks to her)
      Fafnir and Alillat, enough said.
      And ryugi's rush from his confidant turns you literally into marvel's juggernaut for anyone even a little bit weaker than you

  • @bippythechippy882
    @bippythechippy882 Před 5 lety +25

    Imagine if everyone had their ultimate Personas and everyone had "Evade Weakness". Nobody could land a single attack.

  • @arguss3837
    @arguss3837 Před 5 lety +31

    Literally if you include the final boss P3 wins,if you include spin-off ‘s P4 wins , and without anything P5 wins , so this was an accurate tier list.

    • @tenkuken7168
      @tenkuken7168 Před 4 lety +8

      yeah p4 is so broken in the spin offs and sequels

    • @AArchetype..
      @AArchetype.. Před rokem +2

      P5 with either royal or strikers scaling beat then faster

    • @TakeTheWorld21
      @TakeTheWorld21 Před rokem +1

      The Q and especially Arena games go out of their way to make the Investigation Team the strongest Persona team

    • @sev1120
      @sev1120 Před 8 měsíci

      ​@@AArchetype..They have not one but two wildcards

  • @rnjebus5074
    @rnjebus5074 Před 7 lety +29

    you guys almost forgot to mention how the Phantom thieves have makoto who is arguably smarter than morgana plus has an actual motorcycle for a persona

    • @joedatius
      @joedatius Před 7 lety +4

      but morgana is a cat bus so you have that. I chalk it to the cat bus since they use that way more then she rides that motorcycle

    • @jahaudbedell6055
      @jahaudbedell6055 Před 6 lety

      Her final persona is a FLIPPING TRANSFORMER

  • @scuffed7648
    @scuffed7648 Před 3 lety +45

    After Royal this becomes even more imbalanced since the phantom thieves get Akechi back as an official member and thus should be on there team in this and they also get Sumire and while she’s the same level as the other regular thieves that isn’t Joker/Akechi/Futaba she’s still an extra member to help. They also all get tier three personas with OP abilities and there the only team with access to traits.

    • @thegamerfe8751
      @thegamerfe8751 Před 2 lety +1

      Aigis and Junpei mow down everyone except for Akechi and Joker, Aigis is quite literally the terminator who can also use multiple personas and Junpei is pretty much a budget Wolverine from X-Men who can regenerate and has a persona that's fused from two different personas.

    • @AArchetype..
      @AArchetype.. Před rokem +5

      @@thegamerfe8751 wait... Call of chaos. Call of chaos made high lvl shadows go beserk. Imagine if akechi uses call of chaos on the thieves giving them a permanent dmg boost or he uses it on aiges

    • @sev1120
      @sev1120 Před 8 měsíci +1

      And if you add strikers into the mix they also get Wolf, who is BY FAR the most experienced person on any of these teams, and Sophia, an artificial intelligence with a persona (like AIGIS is)

  • @ryemabini8988
    @ryemabini8988 Před 7 lety +42

    Also you know who thinks, is smart, practices some sort of defense, has no weakness and wields revolvers other than Naoto?
    Makoto. She's weak to Psy, which who the hell specializes in or has at all. Maybe 3 and narukami kun? Im not sure.
    But going by that logic Haru has no weakness too. *plus points to phantom thieves*

    • @Mojo1356
      @Mojo1356 Před 3 lety +4

      I think some characters from 3 and 4 got psy and nuke skills in Q2.

    • @therubydmensionsl881
      @therubydmensionsl881 Před 3 lety

      In a remake of P4 I think teddie might have psy and naoto nuke and for p3 I guess Ken with psy and koromaru with nuke

  • @RadiationLemon
    @RadiationLemon Před 7 lety +49

    W H O O P Y O A S S M O D E

    • @RadiationLemon
      @RadiationLemon Před 7 lety

      watching the video and haven't finished but Fuuka can hide inside her persona

    • @RadiationLemon
      @RadiationLemon Před 7 lety +2

      technically Joker and Narukami can hold Isis, Yukari's persona's final evolution and Joker can control all the main characters' personae if you count dlc

  • @Prodigial
    @Prodigial Před 7 lety +47

    Great video, but I wanted to add some points:
    1) Minato can summon 2 personas, meaning he can use Armageddon and is the only persona user who can do so. He beat Elizabeth in a 1v1. If he's allowed to fight, P3 cast wins hands down and it isn't even debatable.
    2) Aigis can't be hacked by Futaba, or anyone for that matter. By the end of the Answer, she is practically a human soul in a mechanical body. We see her shed tears, something that should be impossible. She also becomes a wild card user, demonstrating that she has human emotions. The mechanical side of her body isn't what is controlling her anymore, it's the human side. She would not be able to be hacked.
    3) You are selling the P4 cast a little short. Their growth during the games outside of their main game wasn't touched on and was mostly excluded, which means they lose a lot of their strength. Yu scales the hardest when he is surrounded by friends, and his power level increases exponentially when they are around vs when he's on their own. Rise is incredibly powerful by the end of all the games they are a part of, along with Naoto.
    You've also excluded the biggest point in their favor; teamwork. The P4 cast is the closest by far, and fight best as a team (as evident by them being able to do Fusion/Tag Team attacks; something the other casts can't do). You can't even have social links with all the P3 cast. The P3 and P5 cast are more a group of awesome and powerful individuals in my opinion. Meanwhile, it's almost impossible to think of P4 cast as individuals, since they are such a tight knit group. Together, they beat Margaret, who is canonically the strongest Velvet Room attendee.
    4) P5's intelligence and planning as the Phantom Thieves is overrated. From P3, you have Aigis, a super computer, and Mitsuru, an intellectual prodigy. From P4, you have Naoto, the Detective Prince, whose entire job is catching people like the Phantom Thieves. Excluding that, couldn't Rise and (especially) Fuuka just sense the Phantom Thieves before they could spring any trap? I just don't see it being as big a factor as you made it out to be.
    I think the fight would go P3>P5>P4. I love P4, and do think they were undersold, but they are still the weakest IMO. P3 has Minato which literally breaks the fight. Without him, P5 cast would maybe win. With him, P3 wins in a landslide.

    • @tellemking4507
      @tellemking4507 Před 6 lety +15

      BonJoviFanboy Nah, you're dumb. Even if Aigis wasn't a robot futaba can still hack people's cognition.

    • @i.147
      @i.147 Před 6 lety +2

      +D3r3k_th3_n0scop3r Nah, you're dumb. She can only do that in the Metaverse and this probably wouldn't work on Persona users.

    • @tellemking4507
      @tellemking4507 Před 6 lety +8

      Ilona Her not doing that in the metaverse argument is invalid since well, in P4 they use the TV World and P3 uses the Dark Hour. Also, even if she couldn't hack people's cognition during the fight then her hacking skills would certainly prove useful

    • @i.147
      @i.147 Před 6 lety +6

      +D3r3k_th3_n0scop3r So ? It's a Metaverse only skill so it only works there. And even if they all were fighting in the Metaverse, Fuuka would probably detect her in seconds.
      Hacking skill ? On who would that work ? The only one who could be affected would be Aigis as she's a robot, but in the end of P3, Aigis has her circuits fried so she can't be hacked, she basically becomes human. Her hacking skills wouldn't be useful here.
      And how would she access Internet in the Dark Hour or the TV world ?
      Are you hurt because I talked shit about your waifu ? She's a child, get over it, that's creepy.

    • @tellemking4507
      @tellemking4507 Před 6 lety +7

      Ilona You're mistaken if you think Futaba is my waifu, also I'm not an adult, I'm 16 so even if I did like Futaba it wouldn't be creepy. But I'm pretty sure Futaba is better than Fuuka in support.

  • @therebelliousaxel8535
    @therebelliousaxel8535 Před 4 lety +60

    Flair: The Investigation team has one thing; they are the only team with tier 3 Personas.”
    Royal Phantom Thieves: “NOT ANYMORE!” 😈

  • @Fender178
    @Fender178 Před 5 lety +42

    I just realized something from watching a play-through of the Persona 5 dancing game and that I have a renown light of the P5 group and Futaba as a Navigator that she is a million times better than Rise because during the Social Events of Mona and hers that she can sense they are not alone and can sense the members of SEES and she even has a conversation with Fuuka. Rise couldn't even do that heck during P4AU she needed Fuuka's help to see through the red fog to sense her own team members.

    • @user-garnet
      @user-garnet Před 4 lety

      Fender178 Oh yeah! That’s a good point!

    • @KevinSatron
      @KevinSatron Před 4 lety +1

      Pretty sure because futaba can hacking computer

    • @nyomannayaka1082
      @nyomannayaka1082 Před 3 lety +2

      hey just leave out the fact that rise is still struggling to face herself and ever her own persona transformed from a navi to a fighter, honestly this argument is pretty stupid if you ask me.

    • @phantomnite
      @phantomnite Před rokem

      Because Futaba can hack and because Rise is more of a combat navi while fukka is better at sensing where things are?
      Kind of a bad argument

    • @ovensmuggler5207
      @ovensmuggler5207 Před rokem

      Have you considered the possibility that the red fog doesn't fuck around?