Stop Using The OCTANE... FENNEC Vs. OCTANE In 2023
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Fennec Vs Octane...a popular debate in the Rocket League community. This video settles whether you should make the switch OR stick to the Octane and why.
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Intro - 0:00
Octane Hitbox - 2:36
Fennec's Consistency - 5:52
Subtle Variation Effect - 9:15
Placebo Effect - 11:27
Personal Experience - 12:12
What Car Should I Use? - 13:41
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Give the editor a raise!
@buckfx is the best
Seriously! Impressive stuff here; a full production video with wonderful graphics, clips, and general âsmoothnessâ making it entertaining and informative
Plot twist, this comment was setup by the editor
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â@@hamed2053 lmao
The biggest thing is switching Cars makes you think more, instead of zoning out and bumping your teammate like a npc.
yea breaks that "autopilot"
The swap from Hybrid to the Octane feels really hard to do, but swapping to Fennec, I can almost perfectly carry over all mechanics instead of Octane.
It's insane.
you had 0 mechs before and itâs all placebo
@@garb2405 but I still have zero mechs lmao
â@@Sotumney because you can't have negative mechs
Yeah.. thatâs all in your head bud⊠you should be able to carry over mechanics with any car if youâre actually any good
I switched to the Fennec and I play soooooo much better
i'm a main fennec, but in the last few weeks, I changed the Fennec to the Octane and I'm feeling "lighter and more precise" in the aerial plays.. pure Subtle Variation
Have you tried the GTI?
Im exact opposite rn
I donât have fennec đ„șđ„ș
â@@leamsi-tc7rwYou don't need to have itđ„șđ„ș
How come
I started off with the octane, but found more success early on using the Dominus and Breakout. But once I got the Fennec, it quickly became my main choice and most confidence boosting vehicle for sure
Glad I got the fennec a couple of days ago ! I feel so much more consistent and play way better, i'm not flashy and fast anymore but very regular and I feel like the car just does its job better cuz the hitbox fits the fennec better than the octane
pretty accurate
Did you get it from the season reward?
How'd you get it?
I personally use the Scarab
yes do itâs the best car lol
chad
I've been maining fennec since about 3k hours, but I always love going back to the octane for a bit here and there. I always thought of it as kind of a honeymoon phase because it would wear off over time, but now that you talked about the "subtle variation effect", it makes a lot more sense. I will often slightly tweak my camera and other settings if I feel in a rut for a bit (I heard GarrettG mention one time that it can make things feel fresh lol)
I don't get how it took this long for the fennec to be the most used car in rlcs
Mostly placebo of playing with the octane their whole life
i wonder how long it will take them to realize that the Roadhog XL (Octane Hitbox) is superior to the Fennec.
The problem i see with roadhog XL is its not a good looking car like the fennec so it wont see any use.
â@@aaron179 he is joking đ
Seriously the video editing was on a another level. Congrats!
I tried maining the Fennec for a few hours, and surprising I was scoring EVERY SINGLE SHOT! I was not even missing đ. Thanks for the tips!
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@@frenzy9271 ?? I don't think you understood, you said you are his father, and to say that he doesn't have a father, I said you don't exist, so I wasn't even meaning to say that you don't have a dad
I prefer the Octane myself.
I find the Fennec feels too "bouncy" and "loose", where the Octane feels much tighter.
didn't know ur mom was an Octane.
Sorry I had to I could'nt let a chance like this slip away from me
I agree!
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The subtle variation effect also applies to different hitboxes. If you switch from Octane to Merc, then Dominus, Fennec, etc., in theory, you will learn faster. Confidence is everything in this game so it's good to have the mentality 'I can play well with any car'.
Your materials are amazing in terms of content itself but also visual representation. Respect for you and team preparing it.
For me it's the feeling. Fennec feels more "clunky" and octane feels more "slim" and "agile" because of the skin. My experience
complete opposite for me, it really shows how it just comes down to personal preferance
Yeah im the opposite. I love the fennec over the octane. I have a lot more misses with the octane. Can't explain it.
Same but then I always play better in the fennec
Same hit box
@@shefsufla thereâs a lot more to it than hit boxesâŠ
Hey Luke! Just a quick addition to SVE (subtle variation effect). The effect doesnt work the same way as placebo which is purely mentality. SVE works by forcing ur brain to adapt to new environments (in the experiment its the slightly changed sens. You might not notice but your brain automatically tries to adapt which results in higher brain activity for the desired task. SVE is commonly used by high level aimers. It wouldn't work by just changing ur car design or color on the other hand. Just wanted to clarify that :)
I was an esper main for a long time, (got me from d1-c1) and I really enjoyed it. I switched to octane and it felt good. I also tried fennec for a bit and it also felt good. The main problem I have is that I do not like the octane or fennec design, I don't like to use them. I now use zippy and takumi a lot and I love em. They are not op or "good" cars to ppl but I do rly good in them.
I also mained zippy and takumi for a bit lol
Love your videos man, such and inspiration and very helpful
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I love your videos I am currently a plat trying to get to diamond and champ I also see how much work you put into these videos so round of applause
Hey Luke, love the content man keep it up
Insane quality on this video , loved it! , Huge respect to you and your editor , amazing job đđŒ
Youre always super helpful, hopefully someday i can get into some coaching too
I definitely agree with this, I actually have my most hours in dominus because I started training with it to learn better aireal controll and like the car for its strong flicks in ones and if I just switched from it to another hit box I wouldnât play as good.
This videos editing and just overall feeling and explaining is wild for a Rocket League video on CZcamsđŻđ„đŁïž
good vid. i use both octane & fennec and feel like im quicker with the octane but more accurate with the fennec. both great cars.
Strangely enough I feel exactly the opposite
@@piercetucker1644 shows how its all in your mind doesnt it?
I'm actually surprised by this video (how true it is) because I always used the octane, always, but when I was starting to get high c3 and now I gc, I switched to fennec for a game and always had the feeling fennec was making me play better, now I saw this video and don't don't it's all in my head and not true
RyanGoldfish's video on different hitboxes is the best, and I consistently find myself going back to it. After weighing pros and cons and figuring out what works for me and what I wanted to prioritize, I went with Hybrid.
It's about the same as the octane, but it has a little more length like the Dominus, so it hits haaard. Jager has treated me best, and the Venom is sick for demo play some reason. I'm trying out the Skyline now, finally.
I rly like Jager too! But for me at least I prefer esper. I like how mechanical I feel when I play with it and like you said hybrid hitbox hits hard!
@thezaderman4915 - Nice dude! We now have the Silvia, which is also Hybrid, for what it's worth.
I had the Esper but I felt like too much of a meme. I'm back on Venom right now, really out of nowhere. No idea why.
Theyâve done studies that have proved that if you know about a placebo, as long as you believe that it will make you better, it WILL even though you know that itâs a placebo
Very high quality visuals and content, best in the game right now! Keep it up brothađ
I think you have misinterpreted the subtle variation effect. The study was on a mechanical change and you are only suggesting a visual change. While I understand why you might think this would be related, the important factor was that the feel was changed by the settings being changed, i.e. a physical difference in how you execute the action.
So, maybe you do a video about all hitboxes with characteristics of each one?
It can be useful.
Search up ârocket scienceâ it would probably help
absolute banger videoâ€
They do a call and make you commit to their whole training program up front which is like $1500.
my placebo effect was playing REALLY bad music sped up. my friend hates it but it does make me play better randomly. it helps me not panic and lets me stay calm. but hopefully it still works after you told me that
Fkn genius bro straight up. Thanks homie
A benefit to the octane is that it has that engine in the back which is pretty closely lined up to the center of mass of the car, whereas the fennec doesnt have as distinct of a visual cue. I'd argue that its easier to dribble with the octane for this reason, though matching the hitbox seems more important to me.
About the subtle variation effect. I changed my fennec from black to tw and overall the whole design. I felt almost like I was better with the new design and learnt to hit some better shots etc. The subtle variation effect might be the answer as to why I progressed faster but I can't be sure
if you arent mechanical or fast the fennec will feel very heavy
yeah especially when air rolling
It depends on people. I never had that kind of "heavy" feeling when switching cars. Especially when switching cars from the same hitbox. The feeling of accuracy for precise touches because of differences when it comes to visual garbage outside of the hitbox is a different story though.
Wouldn't say fennec feels slow for me, would just say octane feels lighter sometimes if yk what I mean, but I'm mailing fennec now and I realised why I started feeling fennec was better now that I'm getting into thr higher ranks
I think it may just be an illusion becuase of the visual compared to the hit box, i think both cars are equally fast/slow, just that the fennec feels slow, but i think that is just good because if you feel slow you will try to play faster, if you feel fast you will just stay at your current speed or stay slow.
The fennec might feel slower becuase its visuals is more accurate to the actual hitbox. the fennec visuals compared to the octane, is a bit bigger, and fills the box more.
Just a personal observation and speculation.
YEAH I got the same feelings when I switched
the edits are literally always on a different level man
The crazy part about the placebo effect is that it was tested and found to work even when you know of its existence and how it is affecting you. You don't have to be oblivious to reap its benefits :)
Bro well done for all the edits I mean come on dude bro this is the best edit I have ever seen dude bro
I can confirm it with the switching...
Sometimes i'll try to learn a mechanic and it just wont work on the fennec, so I switch to the octane, learn it there, and when I switch back I can now do it witj both cars...
Octane also feels more nimble and fast at times, so I like to use it to just change playstyle ever so slightly
Something you missed is that with most camera settings you can see the front of the fennec, wheras with the octane you can't, you just "know" where the front of your car is.
The subtle effect is real, o learned to dribble better with octane, by playing some time with breakout, and i think i learned some more playing with other hitboxes,that was early when i saterted playing
What a great video!
this makes so much sense! I cannot tell you how many times ive tried to hit the ball with the tail of my car using octane and I thought I was just really bad but maybe I not and I should start using fennec, but I dont have fennec so I guess ill stick with octane for now
I go with the GTI atm cause i'm own one for myself. Would be nice how it is compared to FENNEC and OCTANE. I think somewhere in the middle of both.
awesome job!
I like the Fennec a lot more because i can see the nose of the car more easily, which makes it easier to predict and time shots. I've also used the Golf a bit, and it also plays similarly imho.
I knew it fits better for a long time. But now Iâm higher ranked I notice the difference more. I just donât know if itâs placebo or not. But I switched to the fennec anyway
I actually have been swapping between Dominus and October since I first started playing, I'm good with both cars and I'm starting to shy away a bit from the Dominus because I'm doing more air play which I find more difficult with the Dominus
one thing you got wrong about the placebo effect is that even when a subject is told that what they are experiencing is purely placebo, or that that the pills they've been taking were northing more than sugar pills, the placebo will *still* keep working
But really the hitboxes are the exact same, therefore there is no advantage to using one or the other. They are literally the same car.
I recently switched to the Fennec and it feels so much better. It took a little bit to get used to the hit box and how the car handles but once I got used to it, it's way better than the Octane.
Awesome video Luke
the variation effect thing is why I played so good in gen.g decal when I first got it
Everyone sleeping on the Proteus
This editing is immaculate
What if I don't have the fennec?
Same hitbox. It just how you feel with the car cuz I switch back and forth depending how I feel if I feel bad with the fennec I go to octane and play better and the same but octane to fennec itâs just mentality but they are the same
i used fennec for forever but just recently switched to octane and gotta admit. i def feel faster and feel i have more control of my car in the air. could be placebo effect but im not sure
Nomad is the closest for to actual hotbox if any car in my opinion. Uses merc hitbox but matches almost perfectly.
i used to use the fennec then recently switched to octane and have felt better with the octane ever since it doesnât make sense since most of my learning was on the fennec
I switched to fennec bc trying to learn wave dashes with the octanes suspension was annoying me. The fen just has such a clear bottom to the car. IG that's the point is that it fits the hitbox better but that was the specific reason I swapped.
Iâve been switching my settings almost every day for like a week, and I have been noticing that Iâve gotten better despite what I thought
I played with octane from when I started I swapped to fennec and massive difference in my performance kinda funny but I just feel so more confident with it.
also the distance of the wheels have a factor in the steering circle.. or is that just the placebo effect kicking in? :)
What is your decal? It is sick
he said switching between the fennec and octane *every couple weeks* is a good idea, i switch between them a couple times a day sometimes, could that be having a negative effect on my gameplay? i just switch whenever i lose or feel "heavy"
I would love to watch a pro match in which the Fennec hitbox was secretly changed from Octane to Dominus, and see how big of a difference would they notice
The only two cars I have ever played with are Octane and Fennec. Makes sense now that I see how close they are in many ways. Love the content, ggs.
The hitboxes certainly don't act like boxes while dribbling. I'm curious about how Psy made that work.
Also, I swap between the Octane, Fennec, Jager and Diestro all the time. I'd have some insight if I didn't whiff so damn much.
Damn I guess I need to wait until the 2024 video
U must do a tutorial for THIS INSANE EDIT BROOOđ
Bro!
This happens to me last night
I changed the skin on my octane and I did things that I couldn't do everđ
There have been studies that have shown that the placebo effect still works even when they know its placebo.
I'm constantly switching back and forth between the two lol
bro, u are s smart. great work on the videos.
What's the best car in the game? As hybrid is a middle factor of all cars but I can't seem to find the turning speed of all cars so on
Always been a fennic driver have enjoyed the look and feel. Really need to finally work mechanics...kinda bad to be est 2015 in high D that can only rarely double off the backboard.
I just got the fennec and for me is better in a way that it feels more easy to hit balls, sin is more squred shaped, is looks better nad makes me feel that i hit the ball better, the same happens with the dominus, the flips look more consistent
I believe this is true but nobody but JZR realized that the harbinger is way better fitting for octane hitbox then octane or fennec for octane hitbox its like the looks merc and octane put together
I think people figured it out but using an ugly ass car WILL make you play worse than using one you like
@EnyrAries Thatâs not true
@OG J your state of mind has 0 effect on gameplay?? Literally the best players in the world don't use certain COLORS because it makes them "feel slow".
â@@enyrariesit won't lol
I have been using the Mudcat for years, I am not interested in being as good as a squishy or as a zen, I just like to enjoy the game in Champion, since the rankeds are very interesting and I love how the car looks, I know it is the most efficient It's the octane or the fennec, but for me, part of playing (let's not forget that this is a game) is enjoying and using the car that you like both in performance and visuals, for me, the beautiful Mudcat. Nice video.
by the way, i reach champion only using mudcat hahaha.
My placebo effect is thinking I do better with my ransoms then my actual tm8s lol
is it me or i just feel faster and lighter in the air with the octane and mechanical than the fennec but i feel heavy with the fennec and more controlled ?
I feel the same, fennec always feels a bit heavier, but I think that just makes me play slower and to my strengths. When I play with the octane I start doing all kinds of crazy stuff
Music is a must have for me in rl thatâs my placebo lol
I like the hybrid hitbox for some reason.
Thanks for the shoutout luke đ
Subtle change your sensitivity?What like make it higher or lower or doesnt matter
I've just switched and i love it.
Do you find the playstation controller layout better?
I don't even have the Fennec because I will never make any purchase but I don't even use Octane really often
I switched to octane recently and It has been good for me because octane shows immediately which direction I am going to. Probably Fennec is better for the hitbox part, but for a 720p player Octane is a little better.
I swear I been changing my car even before this video came out itâs just octane or fennec whatever Iâm feeling
Any else been rocking with the VW? I have been using it this whole season and it feels like the Fennec but feels a little faster
I used the fennec since it came out I love it but when I switch to octane I notice Iâm a lot slower
I feel more consistent with the octane but I think itâs because Iâve put most of my time in the game using octane
Yoooo! I just saw my post in the vid! Can't believe I'm actually in a vid!
The Dominus in the corner starting its Villanova arc...
*Vroom Zoom Vroom Vroom Zmoom Nyom* Evil car noises
bro Luke is right, i tried to switch to fennec from octane and i played some ranked, i dropped down from d3 to d1 lol
I LUV my Fennec!!!!
Swapped for the gimmick, and just never went back to the Octane.