DIY How To Install a Wood Burning Fireplace Insert, Chimney Liner, and Blockoff Plate (Osburn 1800)
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- čas přidán 25. 10. 2020
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I'll show you how to install a Wood Burning Fireplace Insert, Chimney Liner, and Blockoff Plate to save money on your heating bills (and buy more car parts?)!
Being stuck at home more this season had me worried about how expensive it was going to be to heat my house 24-7, so I decided to pickup a second hand wood burning insert, an Osburn 1800. This is a higher end insert, as the bay window door offers a large viewing area of the fire. It's also an EPA certified stove, which means it is 30-40% more efficient than a traditional wood burning insert/stove. This woodburning insert should offer a significant savings so I can spend more money on car parts! :P
I will walk you through how I restored this stove, what products I used, how I prepped the fireplace and removed the damper, how to install a chimney liner, and how to fabricate and install an insulated blockoff plate to improve efficiency. Please feel free to ask questions and I will try to help you. Also, if you have an exterior fireplace, I would strongly consider adding an insulation kit to your chimney liner. My chimney was central to the house so it was not necessary.
Also, check out www.hearth.com, a fantastic wealth of information for wood burners!
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Good job! Everyone gets so hungup on 'flawless' installs. You're trying to heat your house and it was a success. You also saved you thousands. The 'pro installers' generally are sloppier anyway. Yes you could have insulated, but well done!
The reason I get hung up on the details is safety. I have seen to many times the results of people ignoring safety standards when doing a self install. Doing it yourself is one thing. Putting it out there as an example of how to do it is very different
I loved watching your dog at 3:26 rolling in the leaves. He was having a blast. And the video was great, thank you for sharing.
Easy to install, nice quality! Super cozy feeling with fireplace on. Thinner than most models making it easy to install. Heater works well!
Great job! You are a smart man. Enjoy the warmth of your new insert!
Thanks, will do! It wasn't the easiest thing but I think most people should be able to install this.
I particularly like your insulation and steel (aluminum) top. Nice idea on that. Where is your surround for the front of the stove?
You aren't supposed to change the shape of the metal flue. The chimney damper is often cut to fit the liner. This is why you had the problem of reshaping the liner and then trying to fit it on the stove. Also, those tubes in the box are there because the stove doesn't have a catalytic device to burn the unburned particulates. I have an Osburn 2400 insert.
You made a great choice on a stove. Have run mine of about 24 years and it just keeps going. Remember not to over fire your stove or you could damage it.
Wow that was an awesome video! I love it. It looks beautiful. I was thinking of doing the same thing. My chimney is a lot of work for little reward. I could just get a card board cut out of a fire and place it right in there and it would give just same amount of heat lol.
So far this season, we have been heating the majority of the house with this thing. In fact, the furnace doesn't run at all from 8am til midnight when we have this thing going. Furnace only kicks on at night to keep it above 60 while we're sleeping. :)
Block off plate and roxwool,perfect.
Dude that urs6 avant was lovely! Emerald is such a great color when it’s not faded!!! Nice video !
Thanks! It's Dupont Chromabase paint, looks amazing in the light
@ADDvanced so I'm trying to do this but I'm going from gas to wood. Should be about same yeah?
I think that you made more work for your self than was necessary.I too installed an insert into my fireplace using the existing chimney (same as yours approx 12" square) The damper was rusted open no need to worry about it closing and the insert came with a face plate.I had to make a small frame to cover the gap as the hearth was over size I've been burning for 3 years now,love it,thanks, I enjoyed the video.
Which part?
@@ADDvanced Sorry after I thought about it later,I have the face,plate so there would be nothing keeping the smoke from coming into your the house unless you hooked right into some pipe.
@@dumbcough You also need the pipe to maintain air velocity so you don't get back draft/smoke in house
@@ADDvanced I do not.
good job. i think we need to do this
That insert looks sweet with that bay window! Maybe do a follow-up video?! Thanks I started looking at that model for my home since I have a drafty wood burning fireplace.
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Osburn stoves are really solid. I've had my insert for over 24 years. Still works great. The thing with stoves is to keep the flu cleaned out every 1.5 cords and don't over fire the thing. Over firing will damage any stove so be careful with that.
Great video
Thanks! I have some other fireplace videos you should check out too.
You guys are cool... p.s. I been watching some videos on chimney liners, most recommend insulating the steel liner to retain the heat and get better draft and prevent Creosote Buildup
Definitely insulate it if chimney isn’t in middle of house and is instead exposed on the side of the house. Mine is UN insulated but chimney is in the center of the house so it’s not really important
@@ADDvancedI have the same set up, masonry with terracotta lined. No insulation and it drafts like a beast, never any back puffing, even when cold.
Great job on that block-off plate. But I wonder if you can obtain an iron collar that can be painted black to put around the corrugated stovepipe where it attaches to the top of the stove. It would give it a more finished look.
It's not really visible in most cases, but yeah that would look even better.
I read this wrong. Thought about it but I think it radiates more heat when uncovered
@@ADDvanced You're getting radiant heat like that? You are't supposed to get much with inserts. I've seen inserts run outside to see if they produce a lot of heat without the fan and they just don't do it.
Can you do a temp. reading on the top of the stove (not the side) and show what the temps are. My is sealed up with a front cover plate.
I might have to do this myself. I have the insert but calling around some companies want $150FT for the insulated liner. Looks like you can just buy it at a regular store for like 1/4 of the cost.
There are a lot of websites that will sell kits sized perfect for your application, check out www.hearth.com forums for more help!
@@ADDvanced I've tried to register on Hearth.com but haven't had luck. It won't send me the email validation to register.
Just measured my fireplace. Gunna patiently wait until I find a wood burning stove that'll fit. I just used fireplace for first time in a couple years, would use it much more if it was more efficient!
Insert is the way! Actually heats your house, instead of funneling all the hot air out of your house.
I want to do this! I made the mistake of asking for a gas fireplace while building my home.
You did an awesome job ! Come to Texas and do mine 😁🥶
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Great video and installation job. Quick question for you. Do you have any idea if this would work if I have an existing gas fireplace insert in my main living area that I would love to change out to a wood burning insert? I'm unsure of whether the gas fireplace chimney is up to code to do what you did, if that makes any sense?
I would join hearth.com and ask your questions there to see what the experts think
At 2:40, I saw you pushed a pretty heavy object up an incline. I'd recommend attempting to go up the incline first and then pull it. I worked overnights in a big box retail store that had a slight ramp in the back and frequently had to pull pallets of product up that damn thing. I feel like it's easier on the arms and back and should the heavy object slip back down, you are at less of a risk of getting toppled over by said object.
You obviously did that for a reason but just for awareness of anyone else watching, default to pulling up a load like that and only push it if the terrain or positioning simply can't allow it.
Thats a good looking insert. Roughly how big is your house and how much of the house will it heat?
I don't really know, to be honest. The biggest issue is the location, the insert/fireplace is on one end of the house, so I use a ceiling fan in that room, and a box fan at the other end of the house to help with heat transfer. The upper floor is probably 2000 sq ft?
The blower motor sounds really loud. Is that normal or is it as loud as it sounds in the video?
Awesome job! How much draft do you have in your setup? I am debating sealing my blockoff plate or just leaving it in and stuffing a ton of rock wool above it and considering that mostly done. Any creative Ideas for the extra mineral wool? I wish I could have bought a half size.
Draft is good, mine isn't sealed it's held up with screws so I can take it down if I need to. I wound up selling the rest of the rockwool on FB marketplace.... it sucks you have to buy such a giant roll but that's how I dealt with it.
@@ADDvanced I think that is what I am going to do myself. If it doesn't sell in a month, there are some places that could use it around the house, though we got good blow in.
I ended up tapping the damper and machine screwing my inserts in 3 segments. I think it's the same as your case where the rockwoool makes a good enough seal to block the majority of the draft.
The insert is gas, or I would use the rest of the rockwool to insulate liner to avoided Creosote buildup
Great video, how do you determine if you need a fresh air supply duct? Thanks, Mark
You go on www.hearth.com and post pics of your house and listen to the experts.
LOL - I was looking at installing a wood burning insert..... fast forward to about the 1:58 mark and I spot your beautiful Audi C4 Avant (AAN). :) How did I spot it so easily? Because I own one of the same color. Nice! It's a small world.
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@@ADDvanced Oh I've watched that several times in the past :) Always fun to watch.
My partner and I bought a 1949 cottage slab house in MN. We have two wood-burning stoves, one in the garage and one in the existing fireplace inside the house. I can see when they put the wood-burning stove in the house and they actually did a thorough job with wrapping the inside with 1/8th plate metal and welding a tapered up application to the vent although leaving a good 3 feet extra space tapered above the stove. We noticed when we run the stove all day our furnace still goes on and off frequently with out temp only set at 68F here in MN winters. Thoughts?
The two things I like about your set up! 1. You have a built-in fan system that creates more efficiency but also blows the heat through the room from underneath your stove. (We think we’re loosing heat up the chimney some how). 2. You put a flat surface on the inside of your fireplace with metal and mineral wool and I have considered that idea as well. Any thoughts on making my system more efficient? Ps: My garage stove handle is rusted shut, I torched it and smacked it with a hammer, it’s not moving, I’m actually bending it. Only option may be is to break the glass to get at it from the inside and wedge the handle lever with a crowbar at and more WD40 and mapp gas. Any pointers? lol 😆
Ugh, use a pipe as a really long lever. Soak it in kroil. Also, post pics on www.hearth.com, so I can see what you're dealing with.
Great video. And lousy response. Always get's me when someone takes the time to do their best to create free content and then some know-it-all comes along and starts running their piehole.
Would that pass an inspection??
What’s the flue size requirement?
Thanks for making this video. Why did you use a chimney liner instead of just piping the exhaust into your chimney?
Hey Peter, what i have come to find out is that you need a 6 inch liner for the exhaust. One reason is that the liner helps keep the heat in. If you don't use a liner and just use the chimney to pipe out the exhaust your insert will not work as efficiently (it won't get as hot) and you'll also get a ton of creosote in your chimney which could lead to a fire. I am planning on installing my own next month and have been researching tons of text information as well as different videos to see if anyone adds something that I haven't seen in other videos yet.
@@judyandersonz Thank you Juan yeah thats pretty much what I gathered. However my roof has concrete tile and I have no idea where to find replacements. I can already see putting a liner in will turn into having to replace many tiles, turning a small project into a much bigger one, as it usually is. Also, the throat damper will also have to come out which is a pain. Im thinking to find rectangular ducting as a get around.
It is also required by code. You can no longer install an Insert in a fireplace using the original larger flue. Time has proven allowing hot exhaust gasses to expand cools them below the condensing point (250*f) which allows smoke particles to stick to flue walls. This forms creosote and is the reason for the code. If the chimney is not built to code, the liner also must be insulated. VERY few chimneys are built to code with 1 inch clearance to combustible framing material for an outdoor chimney, and 2 inch clearance for an indoor chimney.
Did you get your chimney inspected or anything before you installed the insert? Or does it not matter since it has its own stack inside the old existing chimney?
Would be good to clean you flue if it's really dirty. You are putting a flue inside a flue and it doesn't get that hot because they are double wall and insulated or at least that is what you should purchase if you are concerned.
With the reburn tech, what is creosote build up and chimney cleaning maintenance like?
I'll let you know when I clean it. Probably be in the spring, not climbing up on the roof when it's full of snow.
Save a lot of money on heating bills to save money for car parts! HAHAHA I was just thinking you're saving money on heat, but wearing a hat...then you pulled that.
For anyone using this as a reference the liner really needs to be insulated to meet code, greatly increase safety, and improve performance
Have done a great deal of research on this, cannot find that it is a requirement anywhere. The only thing that says it is required is if it is touching a combustible material.
docs.legis.wisconsin.gov/code/admin_code/sps/safety_and_buildings_and_environment/320_325/321/ix/30/7
If I had an exterior chimney, I definitely would have used one to improve draft.
@@ADDvanced section 9 in the code you linked to explains it. Can you confirm you have the required 2" of clearance from the exterior of the masonry structure to combustible materials? Also have you looked at srlkirk's ul listing criteria? I would be willing to bet it is only listed to ul 1777 with insulation.
@@benholler1389 Yup, confirmed by chimney cleaners.
@@ADDvanced how did they do that? Did they open up walls or did they drill test holes? If this was done why didn't you mention that extremely important safety issue in your video? And why did you previously say it was fine as long as it wasn't touching?
If you want to advise people on how to do installs you really should know and mention all of the applicable safety issues
@@benholler1389 I directed them to hearth forums for more info, tons of info on that site. Lots of variables depending on location, codes, and individual houses.
I came for the installation video but I can't help but notice the Avant!! Whats going on with that?!
Hello awesome job I have conventional brick fireplace 36w24h21d I noticed that stove look like it was used did you purchase it used or can you give me any from any information on where I could purchase that
Fb marketplace. Contacted lots of people asking for dimensions on what would fit
Hi thanks, but what do I do?
My house is brand-new without chimney.
And I badly want to install fireplace in living room Canadian winter storm are bad..
Wood stove w stainless chimney liner exiting roof or side of house. Check out hearth.com forums!
How do you clean the liner? Or does it not require yearly cleaning?
I'm wondering same - hope someone answers
Maybe a tip. If you have to "oval" the tube, as most of us have the same type dampner, I would think a large "band clamp" would have been easier to get it back to it's original shape. Just a thought. I'm going to do the same this spring.
Question though. Is it really necessary to run an insert tube completely up the chimney? Wouldn't running it just a few feet work?
Good idea! I think without the tube, you will get really poor draft and smoke up your house. The volume of air is really limited on these, so if you went from the outlet to a big 12x12" flue tile, the air would basically hit the brakes, which would cause it to smoke or backflow if it's windy out. As always, check with the experts over at www.hearth.com
I have a warped metal firebox making my fireplace unusable. Can i put this type of insert into that space or does it have to be a masonry firebox?
I would go post photos and details on hearth.com forums
You said your pipe went oval. Just wondering how big was your ceramic inserts is? Mine is 6 inches just wondering if your opening was bigger than 6 inches?
Only when I had to jam it through the damper area. My tiles are 12x12, and the pipe is 6-8" or something.
what type of insulation was used for the block off plate?
Rock wool/mineral wool, rated for extremely high temperatures.
Nice stove. Jury is out on rock wool dust from cutting it.
So the liner doesnt heat at all on the outside? Because i see that you put your insulation right against it? Some people wanna charge me a lot of money for my chimney because they say there is insulation and they have to plywood it because liner could heat. They made me freak out, wanted to do it myself but not sure i could. Then i saw your video, seems pretty straight forward..
That is rock wool insulation with an extremely high heat rating. The house would have to be burning down before it was a problem for that insulation.
@@ADDvanced ok thank you for your answer
Why do most incerts have a rectagular opening on top . So you cant attach a round flex pipe to them ?
Not sure, maybe because people use different diameter pipes so they all need adaptors?
Approximately how much would it cost to have a wood burning insert like this installed into a kozy heat fireplace?
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Is their a damper in the pipe going thru chimney?
Nope. Control the air intake instead of the exhaust
wothe wood stove insert is to small i like big wood inserts so i can burn big pcs of wood for long hot fire
This was the largest one that would fit in my fireplace.... so.... gotta use what fits.
When you did this did you have the gas company shut the main gas off or did you just close gas to the line
Gas? What gas?
I found this under converting a gas fire place to wood burning I just wasnt sure .
@@bLuNtTrAuMa.5 Yeah this was never a gas fireplace. You'd need to turn it off in your basement, should be a valve that goes to the fireplace. Then cap it so it's not connected anymore.
Do these newer stoves give off less radiant heat due to this air cushion?
No, radiant heat comes out of the glass. Maybe if you had an EPA stove in the center of the room it would radiate less back/side as the air is being pushed along the back/side?
@@ADDvanced hmm ya just wondering if it’s worth installing an insert if there is no real radiating heat from all sides like a normal stove. Sounds like just the fan with this design
@@JOHNNYGIX It's a metal box with fire inside it dude. It'll radiate plenty. And with a fan it'll put even more heat into the room.
So you bought a used stove...$250 worth of chimney insert, a piece of sheet metal, some insulation, a little elbow grease...done. Out the door cost...$500? $750? Thanks for this.. awesome video.
I paid $300 for the fireplace insert, and $250 for the chimney insert, aluminum was $30, and rockwool was another $40. Prior to doing this i was getting quotes of $5-6,000 to install one of these, which seems insane.
@@ADDvanced after watching you do it, it does seem insane. The units I've been looking at are about $1500 new. Finding a used one was fortunate. Thanks!!
@@robsaxepga Scope FB Marketplace, they're usually cheap if they don't look brand new.
Can u add a insert to a prefabricated fireplace to a mobile home?
Everything depends on a lot of different things. I would join the forums at www.hearth.com and post photos and your questions, lots of expertise over there!
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Tks
@@Freebirdridin06 I asked so many questions there before and during my installation.
@6:08 "I'm just gonna cut this out..." I look hard and say without thinking "No you're not." Cut scene to a bandsaw. ;)
yeah that didn't work lol
So you took the legs off of this wood stove in order for it to fit into your fireplace?
Fireplace inserts don’t have legs.
I thought in needs a surrounding around the direct pipe?
It's double walled pipe.
Is is your fireplace a prefab fireplace or a masonary
It's blocks glued together with mortar so masonry, I guess?
So, in the end how much spent?
$300 on used fireplace, $10 on paint, $300 on chimney insert, and $20 on aluminum panel. Needed a few fasteners too.
Your a Thinking man .. Ladder .. Curing the paint outdoors ..
dont u loose most the heat going uo the brick chimney then have it condensate on the brick chimney in the attic?
No that’s why I have a block off plate
@@ADDvanced why didnt you show the block off plate ?
I did at 5 minutes 41 seconds. I made mine out of aluminum and mineral wool 05:41 shows all of it. Did you not watch the video before commenting?
@@ADDvanced well you didnt show anything too good, also shouldnt you seal around the pipe and the block off plate?
@@redsresearch That's what the mineral wool is for; you stuff it up there to block airflow. The metal is to keep it up, and provide a radiant material to reflect the stove heat back downwards
do toy need this inspected?
I had my chimney inspected before doing this.
What brand of insert is this
Osburn
AWe! I wanted to see the smoke coming out of the chimeny.
Isn't any. Burns so hot there is no smoke. I'll put it in my next video tho!
This video made me less scared to attempt this I have the old wood stove from my parents house that I want to restore and place in my fireplace
Go check out www.hearth.com and post a lot of questions.
The noise of the fan would drive me insane.
It's not loud in person. Maybe camera is attenuating it.
I'm in the midst of an install. Frustrating af. "Flexible" is a very loose term especially when insulated😂. Currently trying to force the issue but may have to resort to adjustable elbow attachment to insert.
Yeah, insulated pipes would be even worse.
can youi burn coal in that stove
No
I only have one question, how do you get your wife (I’m assuming ) to help you? It’s taken me 12 years to convince my significant other that I deserve food once in a while. No joke. Thanks 😊
Tell her I literally cannot do it without her and that she's super pretty :P
Installation without a license or inspection... Is your home insurance void now?
Depends on your insurance. I had my chimney inspected before installing this.
Mrs Addvanced needs better moving shoes.
haaaa, she said the same thing when she saw the video. Ooops. /r/oshaapproved
2:45 seconds in and what the hell was he thinking how do you make it to almost or around 40 years old and not know how to use a had truck properly. You are supposed to walk backward pulling up inclines.😂
Tried dragging it up but incline was steep and thing was heavy, so I tried pushing it and running at the ramps, amost made it lmao
Not stove related.....but dude, haircut
wood burners stink up the air
Maybe old ones do. EPA certified stoves like this one don't even smoke when running. The only time I can smell it outside is when it's first starting and not up to temp.