Bobrovsky was SENSATIONAL! - Shannon Sharpe thinks he should've won the Conn Smythe 🏆 | First Take
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- P.K. Subban joins First Take with Stephen A. Smith and Shannon Sharpe to react to the Florida Panthers defeating the Edmonton Oilers 2-1 to become the Stanley Cup Champions and debate if Connor McDavid should have won the Conn Smythe trophy.
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Regardless of whether you think stepehen A and Shannon might not know very much about hockey, it’s clear they’ve taken the time to educate themselves enough to talk about it. These two discussing the NHL is huge for the league and will grow the game. Be happy. This is what we’ve wanted to happen for a long time.
Facts
I prefer this over the all the Caitlin Clark talk.
AGREED!!!!! So happy to see NHL get some love. It takes a big story and that's ok.
This series was huge for hockey. My Panthers winning after 30 years as a franchise, after 25 years between playoff series wins, it is huge for hockey in SFL!
You do know they’re only talking about it because they’re obligated to talk about it because it was a game 7.
I’m a less than casual hockey fan, basically not a fan, but saying the goalie who was scored on plenty of times in the series should win the trophy is absurd.
Yeah they won the title but they were out scored in the series
Seeing SAS and Shannon trying to discuss hockey is hilarious 😂😂
I give Shannon some credit for trying to discuss some hockey. Obviously, he still has a lot to learn about the game.
So should PK go on Pat McAfee show then lol 😂
emphasis on 'trying' ... well done, sir :)
Respectfully stopping under 25 shots in a game is easy work. You should be looking at legit scoring chances. Connor just had too many points to not give it to him. Brobrovsky certainly played well last night but his defence in front of him was lights out. Played disciplined in their zone. Took away lanes. Stayed out of the box. Man it is tough to win 4 games in a row against the same team.
Having PK in there helps alot. It's clear Shannon and SAS are casuals, like most first take viewers. PK helps bridge the gap between casual and real hockey talk
“If I’m 50 feet out in the ocean drowning and you throw me a lifeline but it only goes 48 feet, what good have you done?” 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Another classic Shannon quote! Happy birthday Shannon!
Happy Birthday Shannon!!!!!!!
💎💎💎
First Take covering NHL 2 days in a row.... that's one more day than the last year.
Florida was a special team this year with a lot of special characters like Paul Maurice. It’s shown the growth of hockey.
Stephen A knows absolute nothing about hockey. I'm really impressed with Shannon he definitely does his homework.
Stephen a critiquing mcdavid is spot on
The fact is that McDavid went cold in the Post season, he only had 8 goals 1 being an empty netter in game 6 of the cup finals, And there's 3 players from teams who didn't go to the championship that have more goals than McDavid just for clarity, I don't care if you had 32 assists you can't give out the MVP for that in a loss@@insertlastname
He knew about Giguere and the ducks, Shannon actually knows more than you may think...lol
Bobrosky definitely should’ve won it! I get how amazing McDavid is and I agree. BUT 1. It should be against the rules in ANY sport for a player on the LOSING team to win the MVP of the postseason. Might as well give participation awards to everybody on the losing team. 2. People keep bringing up Bobrosky having those bad games, McDavid didn’t score a goal in games 6 or 7. Soooo what are we really talking about here? Bobrosky should’ve won it because he was the best player on the WINNING TEAM
How about Sasha Barkov?
I really want Shannon and Stephen to have more hockey debates in the future.
I know bro
Most definitely, maybe after Stephen A learns the sport lmao
Shannon did research. Father’s goalie is the best
"Idk anything about hockey other than the puck being black"
Sharpe explained it the best. Bobrovsky is the best goalie in the last two playoffs, main reason the Panthers are as good as they are, he should have won the award
What McDavid did in the post-season was unreal. Only Lemieux and Gretzky put up those kinds of numbers. The Conn Smythe trophy is for the WHOLE playoffs. Not just the final, unlike other sports.
The Conn went to the only option
He had 25% more points than the next closest and the other main scoring option Draistl was scoreless in last 8 games. Not even debatable about who should have won the award.
The only viable option was mcdavid he broke records. Sergi started off great but had a horrible run in the three losses in the finals plus his numbers I'm the playoffs at a whole were very very similar to Stuart skinner so no he shouldn't have won
@@nicholasappelhans4987thank you!!! It’s the whole playoffs not just the finals. Not even a debate
Canadian here , we love this show talkin hockey , and I’m a NBA / NHL fan so it’s awesome
Talking about one player than the team that won the Stanley cup is insane glaze😂😂
that means the nhl has made it
8 minutes of Stephen A Smith and Unc pretending that they know Hockey.😂
Completely agree with Shannon. Boby was under siege in the 3rd period and was the main reason they won game 7 and had a very good playoff performance
Dueled it out with Vasy, Swayman, Igor and Skinner
I think ESPN should go way harder on playoff hockey because it’s truly the best playoff sport.
First Take talking about Hockey 🤯. Shoutout to the Florida Panthers
He lookin like these 2 have NO IDEA what they are talking about 😂😂😂😂
They should have had one of the hockey analysts on this segment
Am I trippin’ or is PK literally in the middle of this?
I agree
It’s a “debate” show, PK is the only real hockey guy there. Most of the others are pretending.
Agreed
There ain't none lol
Bobrovsky shut down McDavid. Connor had ZERO points in game 1, 6, and 7. He knows he didn't deserve that pity award over the goalie who locked him down and won it all.
And I liked Subban's comment: we all know what happened to Florida when Bobrovsky got tired in game 5.
People saying they shouldn't be the ones talking about hockey, I think it's tremendous for the growth of the NHL and hockey as a whole that the biggest talking heads at ESPN are talking about hockey and we shouldn't gatekeep them from doing so if we hockey fans want to see our sport reach the level of relevance other Big Four leagues are at.
Barkov deserves Conn Smythe over Bobrovsky
Shannon talking hockey..i like it lol
Its about the Moments, for sure, we are talking MVP of the entire Playoffs, not just 1 Series, and Bobrovsky defeated the best the NHL had to offer in terms of Peers and then he snuffed Mcdavids Dreams....sorry fellas ,but all Pro Sports do have certain keystone pillars in common and owning the Moment is the same in every Sport. Bobrovsky is an Elder Statesman now and he showed what experience and being steadfast and humble can do for a Team. Connor Mcdavid is still maturing,hes a bit behind IMHO, not coming out to accept the Conn Smythe was a fine example of that.
Why are folks hating on PK coming on first take ... maybe people would be more happier if PK went on Pat McAfee show 😂😂😂
sharpe totally right
WRONG PK WRONG WRONG
GO CATS YOU KILLED IT
P..K absolutely 💯 on point 👍
I don't find Connor McDavid the best player at all. In the finals he showed the same 4 D's in his eyes as he showed them last year in that round where the Oiler got eliminated: Despair, Disbelieve, Deflated, Defeat. A great player annex superstar doesn't show these emotions.
I'm shocked Shay knew who Jean Sebastian Giguere was tbh. That threw me for a loop lol
Someone gave him notes lol
Shannon did his research
He does his homework
They really need to do more hockey segments for the regular season to reel in hockey viewers and create new hockey fans. I agree with most that these two guys should not be talking about hockey.
Honestly, It seems like hokey and the WNBA getting love is awesome! Baseball low key still in the basement tho along with Soccer.
No points in games 6 and 7 of the finals sure is a conn smythe winner lol
Can of Coke to Shannon Sharpe for mentioning Jean Sebastian Giguère. My heart aches to this day the Anaheim did not win that series .As great as McDavid was I agree with Sharpe. Congrats to the Panthers.
It’s always funny watching football and basketball guys talk about hockey. They have no idea how much of a team sport it is. One guy, even the best player of all time, has so little impact on the overall game compared to NBA and NFL. It’s partly why hockey doesn’t have as much viewership. The superstars often go pointless, and that’s normal. Whereas you’ll never go to a chiefs game or warriors game and see Mahomes and Curry get 0 points. Different sport.
"One guy, even the best player of all time, has so little impact on the overall game compared to the NBA and NFL."
This comment can easily be disproven and is grossly overstated.
Without McDavid, the Oilers would've been lucky to get past the Kings.
Also, historically, goalies are known to carry teams to championship.
Moreover, the best skaters (non-goaltenders) in hockey very often win championships.There are countless great players in the NBA and NFL who didn't win it all. Hockey is no more a team sport than any other. In fact, baseball, which on the surface looks like an individual sport, requires more contributions from more players than all others. That's why all-time greats like Ted Williams, Ken Griffey, and Mike Trout never even played in World Series.
I really wish ESPN would do more stuff like this with the sports they pay a ton of money to have tv rights too. Also , the content is better on FT because SAS and others will keep it to the sport. NHL,PLL, and the MLB should get WAAAAAY more coverage than they do on these debate and analyst shows. I should watch hockey more but life gets in the way; but anytime I catch PK I enjoy his segments
Connor McChoked
If Florida's goalie had been Canadian he would have gotten the Conn Smythe
Exactly.
Regardless of who won the conn smythe, this was a good series
When Shannon talk sports I sit back & listen dude knows what he talking about
I’m excited that they are least talking about hockey. Keep doing it, because I have no idea what’s going on lol.
It's not a one game trophy. Failing or playing out of your mind in one game doesn't disqualify or promote you to the top of the vote. McDavid ( and lets lose the McJesus stuff) was the most valuable player in the playoffs. Bob got exceptional team support that helped him do what he did this year in the playoffs. But the outstanding player from any team this year was McDavid.
I am impressed at the prononciation of Shannon for Giguere
You need 4 wins and BOB played big role in 3 of them
Ill dispute it, the reason flordia won was bobrofsky.
I understand that it's a bit odd that they're discussing the NHL here, but isn't this a good precedent to set? I'm here for it.
I don’t wanna hear Shannon or SAS talk about hockey. They’re not qualified nor do they have any respect for the sport in the first place to even watch it
Hilarious how no matter what PK Suban said about hockey being an ultimate team sport Stephen A is talking about moments of one player . that's the problem with sports media at large cause they always fail to look at it as a team and what the opponent did to prevent that from going left. Its the details. People think well if your great your suppose to be great no matter the situation ,never accounting for why they didn't, and if they don't well they didn't show up etc etc etc. As an athlete they may feel that and even want that on their shoulders but we all know its deeper than that. I'm glad Pk keep reiterating that its a team sport.
I disagree with Shannon’s point about Bobrosky not winning the Conn Smythe Trophy because Connor McDavid was sensational throughout the Stanley Cup Playoffs. Bobrosky could’ve won if he shut the door on Game 4 but Bobrosky almost gave the Stanley Cup to the Oilers for his underperformance during Games 4, 5 and 6.
Dude beat Gretzky’s assist record and was only 5 points from being number one, with a hand that’s likely getting surgery in the off season. Mcdavid wasn’t right all season yet this is how far they got, nobody especially a guy as great as Connor goes from 64 goals to 32 without a serious injury.
I’m not taking away from how awesome he was. There’s no chance Edmonton gets it to game 7 without him. I personally have a problem with losers getting a trophy for their individual performance. It’s a team sport. You failed to get the job done. Under NHL logic, LeBron would be a nine time finals MVP.
@@bencarter8423 Tbh I agree, but to me it was only between Bob and McDavid. Barkov being a -1 in the playoffs negate’s him for me, and Tckuck was a -5 in SCF’s so I definitely think it was Bob.
Where was Connor McDavid for games 1, 2, 3, and 7??? Bob has been as great as McDavid. Bob had a few lapses for a few games on the ROAD. He played the best game of his life and won. So, Bob should've won that trophy. It becomes meaningless when giving it to a player from the losing team.
@@Dawg476lets be fair. Barkov was only -1 facing probably the most killer lineup of forwards in the playoffs. Only one he didnt face was Matthews. But he was on the ice shutting down Kucherov, Pasta, Panarin and co. and lastly McDavid. Only -1. And its not like Barkov was lighting up the scoreboard. Everytime those guys where on the ice Maurice made sure that Barkov was on the ice. And everytime he was on ice those star offensive players werent as big of a threat.
I was just happy. First, take talk about hockey. It may never happen again. I don't remember it ever happened 😮
If you don’t wanna hear these guys talk hockey why y’all here? And mad about it smh y’all weird af
Shannon SENSATIONAL Snowbunny Sharpe
Seriously does he know any other adjectives besides Sensational and Unbelievable to describe someone? Help him out Stephen A.
Now you know they was struggling to get these notes tougher lmao I’m not expecting them to talk about the Euros or Copa outside of prob Argentina. lol it’s what happens when you only really cover basketballl and football and it’s only 3 maybe 4 teams they talk about with them and some boxing only if it’s a mega fight lol
ESPN needs to fix their images. “Sergei should have won Con Smythe?” It is Conn Smythe.
I'm wearing my Baby Blue Canada t-shirt today just to send a message, Loving them Panther's, Molly my picks are now going to coincide with Yours 🍹
It’s sad to see that a post Game 7 Stanley Cup video gets only 20k views, but then a video about JJ Redick coaching the Lakers gets 270k views…
They didn't mention MVP votes had to be up in at game 7 second intermission. then if Oilers win and they give it to Bob after losing 4 in a row? McDavid deserved it. if Panthers win it in 6 or sooner, different story
Glad to see them Giving the Sport the Recognition it Deserves Finally! End of the Day, if you know the Main Storylines and the Stakes, they did Enough to Dress uo their Analysis and Make it Conversational! I have No Issue with Connor McDavid Earning the Playoffs MVP, but Credit to the Panthers Defense for Shutting him Down! I Feel Highly Optimistic Connor and the Oilers will be Back, but of Course, "One thing's for Sure, Nothing's for Sure," Sting!
The Conn Job Trophy should go to a player on the Cup champion indeed!....McOverrated believed the media hype about himself and showed his true colors.... cry baby!
I wanted the Oilers to win, but congratulations Panthers. Well deserved
The Conn winner is usually from the winning team. However, because it is for the entire playoffs, McDavid's point # stands out.
Only because of how many games he played. His ppg for these playoffs is only good for 57th all time.
@dannycarlow8204 I hate defending McDavid because I'm not a fan... but with 42 points in 25 games he's 4 on the season total chart.
@@S_67F Saying it took 25 games to hit 42 points is not defending him. His playoffs two years ago was impressive, not this year. If a goalie let in 2 goals on 10 shots and the other had let in 2 goals on 40 shots, is one performance better or are they equal?
@@dannycarlow8204 how long have you been watching hockey?
@@S_67F I saw Wayne play live multiple times as an Oiler so I've been watching for over 40 years now, how about you? Why won't you answer the question I asked? Are you worried about something?
MacDavid was outstanding only in games 4, 5 and 6, but in other games he could not do anything.
Bobrovksy had lower save percentage THEN SKINNER in the finals. There huge misconception that bobrovsky has been great. No the defence starts with Barkov then Forstling, then ekblad, then bennett AND THEN BOBROVSKY.
Bobrovsky's numbers went up because a fantastic defensive team infront of him.
The best goaltender in the playoffs is Shesterkin. Mcdavid was the right choice its note even debateble. Sas and Shannon are using Baskbetall philosophy here. Hockey is a team sport where one player has nowhere near the same influence on the game relative to others. He got smothered where the rest of the team was nowhere to be found.
In Canada their talking about McDavid being more talented than mario lemieux. Obviously they have never seen le magnifique.
It makes more sense than comparing either to Wayne. I've actually wondered why people don't compare McDavid to Mario, they always compare him to Wayne for some reason. Mario and Connor can fight for 2nd and 3rd.
I saw plenty of Lemieux. He couldn't skate like McDavid. Also, it's a lot harder to score now than it was in Lemieux's era, especially the 80s and early 90s.
@@NatTurnerswitBurnerz It's not a lot harder to score today. More goals back then doesn't mean it was easier. Power play % over the last 5 years is almost identical to the pp% of the second half of the 80's. If you took away video review and added 3-4 power plays per game to today's game, I guarantee scoring would be equal to or exceed 80's scoring. It's pretty much just as easy to physically score today, the conditions are what's different which hinder scoring today.
First Take needs to cover Hockey alot more. Know better that its probably not gonna happen, but just saying
the guy lost a game 8-1 and they want him to be the conn smythe winner. These guys no nothing about hockey so its understandable. Mcdavid almost beat the records that were considered unbreakable.
In 1980s Gretzky's time NHL 8 goals per game! Today only 6 goals per game! McDavid his play-offs assists record is amazing! You can not compare todays numbers to high scoring 1980s! If Auston Matthews had played In 1982 he would had scored over 100 goals easily beating Gretzky's 92 goal record easily! Ovechkin ERA only 5,3-6 goals per game NHL! If Ovechkin had played high scoring 1980s he would had scored over 1200 goals easily! And Edmonton Oilers 1980s much better team than Edmonton Oilers 2024 or Toronto Maple Leafs or Washington Capitals!
He would’ve had he been solid in games 4-6
all these lame comments. yes SAS knows nothing about Hockey, but this should be how it is. they shouldn’t only talk about basketball and football they should talk about all major sports. they don’t talk about other sports people complain that all they talk about is the NFL and NBA. they do its they know nothing about the sport.. let them keep covering it and they’ll get better at covering it. period..
Florida Panther is the better team yet they've been out scored on over 10 points in three games. How can you say that? They just capitalized more than the Oilers and that is about it. I say they were about equal otherwise it would have been swept.
There is no doubt how great McDavid is, and his lack of cups is a testament to how difficult it really is to win the cup. But in a Game 7 SCF, when push came to shove Bob was on his game, McDavid was not. NHL is bias to goal scorers. But defence wins championships.
Didn't SAS admit yesterday that he didn't know anything about Hockey?
He doesn’t know football, boxing, golf, baseball, or even basketball really because he missed on most of his picks. But he knows his range on most topics knows when to defer.
I tought they are talking about nba
I don’t think it’s debatable that McDavid deserved the Conn Smythe honestly. He one of the best post seasons of any player in the history of the game and broke a gd Gretzky record. Winning the cup would have solidified him as the second best player ever. Not winning it, he was still by far and away the best player of these playoffs. Name another player who had two 4 point nights to claw their team back to a fighting chance in the finals?
It's very debatable. The reason they needed to claw back is because McDavid wasn't producing early in the series. Then he was held scoreless in games 6 and 7.(the two most important games of his life) He was also scoreless in game 7 vs Van. He played 25 games to get that record compared to Wayne's 19 games. McDavid's ppg this playoffs is only good for 57th all time. The other four 40+ point seasons are 1st, 8th, 23rd and 58th. His ppg in the last two games of each series combined was 1.125 compared to his 1.941 ppg in the other 17 games. He was disappearing late in each series when his team needed him most.The other four 40+ efforts are the exact opposite where Wayne and Mario were killers in the last two games of playoff series.
He was AWFUL for games 4-6 lmaoo. I love that FT is talking hockey, but it’s so obvious none of them even watched before last night ☠️
Bob was awful 3 last game , its not a series award its a playoff not 7 game !!
@@aguertin_17 the only reason it got to 7 was because he was terrible.
@@7001murphybut he was the biggest reason they won the 4 games. Him and Barkov were amazing in the wins. Mcdavid was awful the first 3 games and the last game. It goes both ways like that.
McDavid no showed in Game 6 and Game 7.
McDavid had zero points in Games 1, 2, 6 and 7, emphasis on 6 and 7. #Fraud
Sounds a lot like Lukas final eh?
Why is SAS and Shay Shay talking hockey? No, ESPN, get your 💩💩💩 together. Let them speak NBA and NFL all they want, but they're not experts on the NHL. Have PK, Weekes, Bucci, or any of you're hockey analysts. You're making the same WNBA mistake. You have these guys that parachuted into the sport just a second ago and make them talk about it like they know anything about it. STOP ESPN.
What's wrong with covering all sports.
@@kmo1765 everybody wants all sports to be included. First take only talks about hockey once a year. Only sports they care about is football and basketball and baseball. 2 years ago the NHL gave ESPN a massive contract and we still don’t get more coverage for this sport. No pregame or postgame shows like baseball and basketball.
@@user-wd4zc3py4w youre not wrong, but look at the view counts for the nhl segments yesterday . they are abysmal
@@user-wd4zc3py4wthey cover sports that make them money and ratings..shocker
3 guys who don't know what they're talking about, great analysis ESPN has
Dude PK played in the NHL for 13 seasons and he’s an analyst
2 guys and one ex hockey professional…
Panthers baby!!!!
For hockey fans coming here with some reservations about Stephen A and Shannon covering hockey, JUST BE GLAD THEYRE COVERING HOCKEY
I can't believe that listening to people talking about hockey 🏑🏑 hockey 😂😂😂😂
Get an actual hockey pundit on rather than these clowns pretending to have watched. They couldn't talk through the basics of the sport. Ask SAS what icing is
Oh yeah ignore the NHL multi time all-star on the panel
@@deeqtv9803 I loved PK as a player but it's embarrassing to watch the other two pretend to know anything about hockey. Too transparent
@@jackhamilton5250 they’re clearly self aware that they’re not the most versed in hockey, which is why they brought their hockey guy in to help with the segment and they both asked him questions about his opinion directly. I think you’re mad about nothing.
Being snobbish about a sport is incredibly moronic. If the segment brings non-hockey fans to the game because of SAS and Shannon, then so be it. Whether he knows what icing is isn't relevant to the topic.
I am a Panthers fan since the beginning and I have no issue with McDavid getting the Conn Smythe Trophy. He broke Wayne Gretzky’s record and he deserves it.
Bruh why are they on here talking like they actually watch hockey. Can we get a real analyst who watched the game at least??
lol facts that’s what espn wants tho
P.K Subban used to play for Montreal.
@@nicholasappelhans4987and Nashville and the Devils. 😊
I am surprised they even talked about it at all. ESPN cares more about darts than hockey. Surprised they didn’t mention Caitlin Clark at least once😅😅
Right just ignore the guy who played in the NHL for 13 years💀
This is as bad as when Stephen A talked mma 😂😂
He did not break Gretzkys or lemieuxs record for playoff points
He broke Gretzky's record for playoff assists.
Y’all watched 2 games and now you know who should’ve been MVP? Lmao Connor McDavid was the clear winner the whole series shoutout bob tho and Panthers W 😂🙏🏾🔥
Steven a. Smith is right.
Mcdummy showed up for 2 1/2 games out of 7. And was nowhere to be found game six and seven. He should’ve not won that trophy sorry.
We hockey fans deserve better than this. PK is the only one who knows hockey and the only time first take talks about hockey is when the playoffs are over. Gary Bettman and the owners should have been with fox sports we’re baseball gets there coverage. This is a joke
These dudes did not watch any game
Of course not they probably didn’t know it was going on
@@tigerhoods7927 Stephen A went to the game, but I seriously doubt he understood any of what was happening outside of Goals. He probably doesn’t even know What “icing the puck” is
Yall dno what your talkin bout lol.. 0-4? What lol when has he ever gone to the finals
I’d pick barkov over bob
Stephen a should mot talk about hockey
“He’s 0-4 now” McDavid has only been in one final
They might mean the amount of times hes made the offs since being in the league
ESPN hockey coverage is so bad lmfao one guy and he's a not the most knowledgeable lmao
I think Bobbovsky should’ve won it.
Two guys who have no f…… idea about hockey are discussing the SC Finals! Are we getting total nuts?
That’s why TK is there.
Do you know how many hockey fans complain about FIRST TAKE not mentioning NHL in their shows even though the parent network ABC is broadcasting the SC Finals?
Hockey! DAM! Cover ALL sports help everyone grow (hockey) what next dirty bike.
McDavid is the greatest loser of all-time
There are a number of players in The Hockey Hall of Fame who have lost more playoff Games than McDavid.
At the current moment, yup. Ghosted the last 2 games. Plus he’s had good rosters to get cups as well, no excuses
Ding-ding-ding-ding!
@@7001murphy Yet they still force feed him the MVP
Stephen A Smith and Shannon Sharpe on First Take debating whether Sergei Bobrovsky should’ve won the Conn Smythe.
Imagine explaining this timeline to someone in 2019.
Barkov should have won it. 1 less goal than McOverrated, but he completely shutdown every elite player he player. Voters ignoring defensive play only shows how ignorant they are