I wanted the Journeymen backpack after I saw one in "Jack Ryan." They decided to have it made in China but still want to charge the made in the USA price of $395. For that kind of money, I'll support some real made in the USA brands.
Yea I just bought the journeyman backpack and it was made in Vietnam . Not happy about it . No drain holes on the outside pocket and no webbing were the zippers end when you open the pack.
Bought one not long ago, without knowing it is now made in Vietnam instead of US. I bough it ASAP after seeing the colour I want is back in stock and knowing the quanitity of made in US stuff is limited. Although the quaility is still good, I should have waited for some discount if I knew it is not made in US.
Agreed! Can’t blame the original founders for selling out for the security of their personal future, but I hate what corporate greed does to the original quality of the product.
Because you should support a company that shares your best interest. I wouldnt want to buy a product from a company that pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to the anti-gun lobby.
I have a few of Filson’s items and they’re great but the recent price increases have put their stuff out of my range. The Guide sweater is now $550. Insane.
@@jerrybartlett273 to be fair, Levi’s are nowhere near the quality of a nice pair of jeans. I spend $100+ on a pair of jeans and they’ll barely last a year. I want to spend more and get a 14+ oz denim pair and see how they hold up being like twice as heavy
I just stopped by the Flagship Filson in Seattle this past weekend. And everything you say about the brand is spot on. You feel every bit of that when walking around looking at their products that are priced at INSANE prices. Even the workers don’t embody the brand. I stopped in to see the fit of one of their upland bird vests, and as I’m trying it on, a worker tells me that he has one and that it works great for around town and carrying his laptop and snacks….
When I was in my 20’s, I loved the look and quality of Filson products, but was bouncing around jobs, and had no disposable income to get them. Now I’m almost 40, with job stability and regular income, and my disposable cash isn’t even enough for Filson products. I agree with you on LL Bean. I’ve gravitated more to their stuff lately, because it’s still well made and affordable. I have their Continental Rucksack from years ago. Still my favorite backpack ever!
I used to have a Filson budget that I carved out of my struggling early years' earnings. I purchased a number of their tin cloth and wool items in the 90's and they continue to serve me well today. The Highlander boots were and still are a dream. Every year I look forward to the return of cold weather so I can see my old friends again. My computer bag and I have logged over 1.5 million miles together with the commute and travel. But just as my favorite Carhartt B01's (moss & gravel) have gone, so have the things that attracted me to Filson. After the sale, could see the "Eddie Bauer" effect take hold and after awhile the tradition/quality/price calculus no longer works for me. It's sad but it is also evolutionary. When the old forget what got them there, the new will take the opportunity, just like the Filsons,Carhartts, and Levys in their day.
I love Carl's emphasis on buying fewer, better things. Also, the right type of patina just makes them look so more cool. Patina is so great on anything waxed canvas, denim and PNW boots, among many others. You have to earn that look. You can't just buy it.
Very good video! You're 100% right on the great LL Bean flannel shirts! The "quality fade" you mentioned has been going on for quite a while; in autos, groceries (seen an actual 1 pound pkg of kielbasa lately?), appliances, shoes/boots, etc. Buying used is not just a money-saver these days, it's the ONLY way to get a quality product that once-upon-a-time, was built to last! (not to mention the benefits of recycling!) If you could put up links to some of those other companies you mentioned it would be great! Thanks for ALL your work!
Thank you for making videos like this. I wish bigger companies would understand we want quality and we want items that are either American or Ethically sourced.
Father purchased his Filson Makinaw Cruiser in 1977 and passed it to me and I have since passed to my son. Couple years ago purchased the Stormy Kromer Cruiser and love it minus the pocket configuration.
This is a great video and I made sure to share it as well. I have a Tin Cloth Packer hat that I love which I got for half price back in 2020. Aside from some smaller items, I can't imagine paying those prices for gear. I think you hit the nail on the head concerning fashion and trends versus purpose.
I agree with almost everything you said here, I would add one concern: most of the tin cloth items are no longer made in the USA. With that being the case, the price tag is simply too high in my opinion. I think their longevity and durability is also in question given that they just started outsourcing the tin cloth items this year and their QC has been questionable at best for imported items.
I thought I agreed until I took a look at the comparable waxed cotton garments from red cloud collective that Carl recommended…..a pair of Filson single tins are $195, a similar pair from red cloud(USA made) are $255. Seems to me that’s the labor difference right there. Now I get wanting made in the USA and being willing to pay for it, but at least they are passing along some of the savings apparently.
I wear a pair of single tin unwaxed pants every single day as an electrician. I just bought a brand new pair and was disappointed when it arrived because that's when I realized it was no longer USA made. The new pants are still durable as hell, but ide rather support an American brand with American workers.
I bought a pair of red clouds waxed double front pants in Havana and I liked them but blew a knee out on the 2nd wear just raking and bagging leaves. I hear you’re supposed to re-wax them for durability and they give you a small tin of wax but for $255 I shouldnt have to wax them in between each wear. Sad to talk badly about a small USA company but I was a little disappointed. I bought a pair of work jeans from Greasepoint Workwear and absolutely love them, pricey for work jeans but you can see where the money goes.
I bought my filson Mac cruiser when I got out of the Navy in 1976 for $58.00 and I thought it was really expensive. After 45 years it's like new with a lot of wear.
Sad days for Filson. Got my Med. Duffle and Mackinaw Cruiser a while ago and after seeing their prices skyrocket, I feel what I got from them is enough for me. Bradley Mountain makes an awesome looking briefcase that’s worth looking into. North End Bag Company from Virginia is another great maker that’s on pair with Bradley Mountain.
Carl, first off: long time fan, first time caller. It's 2024 and in my opinion, I'd love to see you do another "Mackinaw Alternative" video. It's a shame, this is the first time in my life that I can afford a Filson but for the price and the move to international production has turned me away from dropping $550 on a new one. I'm one of the folks who likes to buy new but with the intention that every shift, mile, ding and tear are mine and mine alone. Beyond that, I'll keep tuning in for all of your unbiased and unwavering videos.
Hey Carl - Thanks for shooting this one, as it's been a question on my mind for some time. As another Filson lover, it seems like they're in a weird spot right now. Too expensive, yet not quite good enough with things moving overseas. I'd like to see someone younger and dedicated take the brand over and move things back to the States. edit: Looking back, I bought my original briefcase in 2015 for $130 on sale from Nordstrom. Crazy value there.
Similar story here in Canada when Tilley Endurables, hatmakers whose products came with a lifetime guarantee, were bought out by a US investment firm. Only a few lines are still made here and the rest is Chinese-made, with quality suffering. I cherish my Tilley hats as well as my Filson 100% wool vest with the classic red/black pattern which is known here as ‘lumberjack’ attire.
What I have noticed is that many Filson retailers in brick and mortar shops have older inventory on the shelfs that reflects older prices. A good place to find bargains.
It's what's happening in a lot of industries - private equity firms are sucking them up, cutting costs and quality, and driving them into the ground. It's happened with vet clinics, opticians and all kind of different businesses that were high quality, family owned or owner operated and it's ruining Canadian and American small firms.
Another Great Value Filson Product: Last winter I picked up a couple Filson wool beanies for $50 each. May sound expensive, but other stores in the mall were selling polyester or acrylic hats for $30-$40 and the Filson ones were 100% wool and beefy as hell.
It's always best to wait until their new fall / winter releases come out, but sure their tin cloth, wool, and few others will always be collection staples. Never overlook their summer sale too, some sweet deals if you get in early. My biggest concern lately has been their pricing, but thankfully I already have a few great jackets from them that will last forever.
I like what Nick's boots is doing. Showcasing their craftsmen (and women) making their products on CZcams videos, showing off the high quality construction. It makes a person want to spend that extra money knowing they're getting a quality product that also pays wages to their fellow Americans.
Several years ago, I stumbled across a couple relics from Filson's brief foray into the watch world in a TJ Maxx in a small town in Indiana. A Journeyman GMT with a stainless steel band and a Mackinaw Field Watch with a leather band. They were both on clearance for $120 each. A far cry from their original MSRP.
Yeah I have a double mackinaw wool packer coat with shearling collar, from when you could buy the packer coat for $400, I bought it new for $200 lol I’ve been so disappointed in their price gouging lately. I still wear my great grand father’s mackinaw cruiser, I’m told it’s about 70 years old.
Wow the weather wool stuff is insane. And pricey lol. I feel I have got the best of Filson products a lot based on your reviews tbh. I have got a few duds also .. would love to see it come back to usa more. Thanks again for trying to keep interest in the brand while offering fair options
I agree with all Carl's comments. In my humble opinion, the best upland coat ever was their shelter cloth game coat. They do not make it or the heavier tin cloth version anymore. Their merino lined goatskin gloves are excellent, but have more than doubled in price in the last few years.
I do have to say that the Alaskan guide flannel is second to none. Just a beefy flannel and doesn’t shrink in the arms like all other flannels. I do agree it is sad what filson has been doing lately
100% agree on looking for used filson gear when you can. I'm a big fan of the Alaska guide shirts, happy to get them used when I can - they last forever.
Totally agree, I own more then a few FILSON garments, it’s is a shame to see their tin cloth lines go over seas. With the price hike they need a reality check. Very sad to see and the thumbnail for this video says it all.
Looks like a Pendleton board shirt you’re wearing there. I would love it if you took a dive on Pendleton in a future video. Their History and catalogoue and suchlike. Thanks!
I have owned Filson jackets, pants and bags since the mid-90s. Their products were never that affordable. I bought a tin cloth "suit" consisting of dry tin pants and a dry tin wool lined packer coat. I wore it during the winter when my band toured. It was great stuff and I have very fond memories of how rugged and comfortable it was. I have had a bunch of jackets since then and have worn out the elbows and cuffs on all of them. Very satisfying. But times have changed and I don't use my stuff much anymore. I did buy a Ciano Farmer Denim work jacket last year that replaced my short Cruiser jacket. That recaptured the magic for me. Filson lost me when they started selling dog gear and corny t shirts and hats. And now the price is 2.5 times what they once were. Times change I guess. Filson changed and I did not change with them. It happens. Thanks for the video.
I would never even consider buying anything new from Filson with how much the current ownership has tarnished this longtime piece of Americana. The last item I purchased new was an Ultralite vest. While it may not be made in country, it’s still good quality. I own two rugged twill bags from the mid 1990s and a wool Forestry Cruiser from 1960. All three purchased like new in the past 5 years. There’s no debating, you can tell a difference in quality when Filson was made by craftsman vs the automated assembly line
Great video! Thanks. Yeah, what’s up with those prices?! I know inflation is bad, but its still only like 9%. The price hikes are way more than that. I paid $150 for my Mac vest just last year. $225 now? Damn! Glad I grabbed one last year. A good alternative for bags and luggage is Frost River. Solid wax canvas stuff with SB Foot leather (Red Wing’s tannery). All made in Duluth, MN from US-sourced materials at very reasonable prices.
I have 2 made in Seattle wools jackets, and I had to strong arm them to make my wife a custom jacket they had quoted for us a few months earlier. She probably owns the last custom Filson piece ever made. Fantastic garments. This was 2006-2007. They have been all downhill since then. The original salesman in Seattle who quoted the custom coat for us was retiring in a few weeks because he could see the writing on the wall. Sad.
Own some filson stuff but have to say LLBean has a superb flannel. The chamois cloth flannel at 7.5oz is great, i am outdoors a lot up in Canada and these shirts work as hard as I do. Good on you for recognizing a quality shirt Carl.
I bought Filson double tin packer coat and overalls in 2003 while working as a field manager on a farm in PA. One of my employees bought a Carhartt jacket for about $80 at the same time. Both coats experienced the same type and degree of wear at the same rate, to include freyed cuffs and missing buttons. When I called Filson for warranty repair, in the late summer, it was going to take them up to 6 months to return my jacket & bibs. Yes, you can pass these down to grandchildren if you only wear them for hunting or going to the country club. But if you do real labor, you're throwing money away. I now have a Walls canvas jacket with quilted lining which I have worn for 2 winters doing construction work in Montana. I do, however, LOVE my tin packer hat and wear it fly fishing all the time.
I've reviewed a few Filson products in the last few years on my channel and much of it has increased in price by hundreds of dollars since my reviews, and they were already overpriced. I have no idea what they are thinking raising their prices even more as they simultaneously off-shore more of their products. I used to work for Outdoor Research about 20 years ago in their main office/factory/ and factory store just a few blocks over from Filson in SoDo, Seattle, and I have a pro-deal with them now. Buut I don't know if I can recommend them as a company anymore. They were always too boutique, now they don't even seem to be targeting anyone but billionaires. I appreciate the history lesson you gave at the beginning. That says it all. Luckily I pretty much bought everything I wanted of theirs before they hiked prices insanely. If I didn't have a pro-deal even back then there's no way I could have afforded it. I think you're spot on with your assessment. And I agree with you about LL Bean. Everything of there's I own is great value, works well, is comfortable, and looks pretty good. They've been around a long while and managed to keep things good. Quality fade is a thing unfortunately and seems to be part of the lifecycle of an outdoor gear co. Luckily new, small-time manufacturers fill the voids left by the ones that got too big for their britches. I've watched it happen to North Face, Helly Hansen, OR, etc. Its unfortunate we can't have brand loyalty. I HIGHLY recommend Miklagaard in Sweden for the finest wool outerwear made. Check them out. I'll be doing a review of their pants soon.
I found an old Filson vintage field jacket on-line and re-waxed it. It’s great! Made in USA, old school Filson with a zip in wool liner for warmth. Looks great after being re-waxed. Has THE PERFECT patina and works like brand new. I’m also a fan of Orvis dry waxed cotton as well. My wife bought me a new Heritage field jacket several years ago and it’s fantastic. It’s the olive version, and I recently found a tan jacket on eBay. Still had factory new tags on it. I also bought an old model Orvis field jacket and re-waxed it like you did with the Otter wax. Bit of a chore! After the work it looks good, but don’t think I’ll tackle it again, either. Good content! Appreciate the ins/outs on Filson.
I was gifted the Dryden Briefcase made out of 1000D Cordura®nylon years ago and used it as an office bag everyday for years. It still looks like new. I am quite impressed I have to admit. The leather bits have a nice wear to them but the nylon still looks new. Great product.
I waiting to hear that one in his list. I'm intending to order the Ripstop Nylon Backpack for 228USD (sale on some European travel bags site). I guess that will be a good buy nevertheless.
You hit the nail on the head. Some products from Filson are great, like I have a Jac Shirt and wool blanket, both in mackinaw wool and are amazing in the winter. But yeah, expensive so I bought the Jac Shirt on Mercari because it was cheaper and the pattern I wanted was discontinued. It’s probably safe to say that anything Filson sales made from cotton or synthetic material is best purchased from another retailer, like you said L.L. Bean for example.
I own ZERO Filson products. My life hasn't suffered. Filson sounds like a miserable company today. L.L. Bean quality has dropped significantly in the last 15 years. I've had buttons fall off in the first washing on several shirts. That never used to happen. I no longer spend my $$$ at L.L. Bean. I would have rather seen a 12 minute video about your cute dog! Stay healthy Carl!
Thank you for making this video. I know you take no pleasure in calling out the shortcuts, offshoring, and corporatized structure of these once humble companies. But on the other hand, I'm glad you are giving us, your audience, current alternatives. It is hard to see Filson go their current route. I have a packer coat and wool zip in liner jacket from about 12 years ago. Amazing quality, comfort, real deal gear. I just looked at Filson's online catalog and they don't make the tin cloth packer coat anymore. An iconic item gone for lack of sales, no doubt. And the $285 (I thought that was a ton of money then) I paid would clearly be $600 now. I look forward to patronizing the other companies you suggested.
I also have a packer coat but no vest it doesn't get cold enough where I live to justify one . My coat is 23 yrs old and will literally still stand up on it's own . totally waterproof and windproof I have been offered 400 bucks for it which is twice what I paid for it but it still hangs in the barn I found the small tin of wax they gave me when I bought the coat never used not needed great coat
Along with "quality fade" and perhaps parallel to it is the question of whether there's really a Filson's there, that is a Filson's HQ with Filson's factories making Filson stuff. We need to give that a name too, something along the lines of "virtual company" or something like that. That would be the point where the Company as defined by trademarks etc. become owned by something akin to a law firm who buy up all those things, basically the company that fits into the computer. They, of course, can now contract out that manufacturing to third party manufacturers. Note that the company in China is NOT a Filson factory, it is contracted to make articles according to the intellectual property owened of that law firm. Note that the law firm is neither Filson either, they just own the right t stamp articles with the Filson name, tin cloth etc. Likewise, there is no atelier where guys who have been outdoors design outdoors clothing anymore. There may still be a Filson's in some respect as I have described, I am familier with Mountain Khaki which is pretty much a name only these days, they used to make what I call one of those perfect things these solid 100% cotton twill khacki shorts. One of the problems with overseas (read: China) is they don't really do 100% khacki cotton so they are now trapped by those manufacturers to make things with what they ahve available, MH can't really choose what materials to make things anymore, long story short they have to sell the same things that thos manufactures make for every other company in that market. Ergo, MK is now a name with some value and little else.
The tin pants are awesome in the woods, especially in heavy brush, definitely not for casual wear. Over time they will get much darker and you cant wash them but I just hose them out after wearing after a couple days in the bush.
I took a shot on the prospector hoodie last fall, wore it all winter to my construction job, it held up really well, other than a few grease stains it looks as good as the day bought it.
I have a closet full of Filson gear , all purchased in the 90s. Their wool goods are truly a great product. My LG duffle is better than new with the patina. Not mentioned here, the shelter cloth is really good, including my fly fishing vest. Customer service was top notch. In 1998 my recently purchased hunting coat was a bit too big, talked with Peter in CS explaining my plight and a hunting trip in less than a week. Pete said he was shipping to me the next size down coat and when I got back from my trip to ship back original coat. This was done without any charges or refund s, simply an honor system over the phone. I will never forget that@
My current everyday belt is the Filson bridle double prong with the D ring. Love it excellent quality and workmanship. My problem with this in the beginning was their sizing for the belt. I had to go up so many sizes then I would wear in any other belt ever, which honestly some of their other products I have felt this way aa well with sizing. The belt was the worst though. And a big thank you to Carl for turning me onto the Stormy Kromer brand. That video was from quite awhile ago. In writing this I realized I never gave a proper thank you.
I own the Filson 'tincloth game bags', I bought them 2 years ago and as mentioned in your video, the tincloth remains a quality product. Also, I should note, I bought these for the simple and utilitarian design; they have 3 bags, one bag for shells, one for spent shells (leave it better than you found it), and one for birds. God bless simple design.
Filson is overrated and overpriced. Simple as that. Quality has gone down and price has gone up. It’s corporate owned and made in other countries to save cost on their end. Why support them? I do agree with buying their vintage stuff and 2nd hand.
I own a few Filson items I bought in the 90s from there store in seattle . packer coat, wool mackinaw, and a bush hat . I use them in the winter when running cattle, fixing fence etc . they are great products I have been offered 400 bucks for my packer coat which is twice what I paid for it , still have it . great video even though it saddens me to see Filson sink so low
It’s hard that brands like that try to upsell that much, some people can afford that original price but have to save and patiently wait for when it’s available and now it’s harder for most to justify that price tag, especially since it’s hard for us during these trying times to not baby these items but love them but honestly there’s better ones out there that you can buy or honestly thrifting is something you’ll enjoy, you’ll find gems and gems of items you’ll love and that you can wear over and over again
Good episode. I have many Filson items, but have switched my allegiance to Patagonia. Their products are just outstanding, and their guarantees are unparalleled.
I remember LLBean when they were a reputable company forty years ago. As the company was sold and resold to marketing types the quality went down the latrine. I had a 350.00 Maine Warden's Parka zipper fail, leaving me with a completely opened parka, fastened tightly around my neck by the junk zipper. Nearly impossible to remove. How hard my friends laughed! I went on the net and purchased a heavy brass zipper for the parka and had it installed by a professional tailor. You should not have to work that hard to end up with a decent product. And yet that is where we are today.
As a big Filson fan I agree with a lot of what’s said here. In 2016 I bought a Mackinaw cruiser, and it’s gone up over $100 in price since then, crazy! They still make good items but agree that it’s mostly their legacy items that have been made for decades. Which is a shame because I love the form and function of much of their line.
Whe I saw this pop up my first thought was “What the heck is he going to talk about for 14 minutes?!?!” I can vouch for the brief case. I purchased mine in 2010 and have used it nearly daily since. It’s better today than the day I purchased it. Every item of clothing I have is good, but just that…good.
Got the 256 briefcase for $150 from a South Carolina animal shelter thrift store. Barely used, no marks or fading. Mackinaw vest in fat guy for $12 at a local thrift store.
I got a pair of fjallraven vidda pro pants for working in the BC mountains and they are honestly my favorite work pants that I've ever owned so far. I would recommend them
As someone who was in corporate America for decades, I recognized the filson trend immediately and it seems to have accelerated in recent years. The company has been taken over by the numbers guys whose goal is strictly to "maximize value for investors" which translates to exploiting the brand value for as much as possible, as long as possible, and when all the financial juice is squeezed out of it, discard the husk to go after another "undervalued" company. This approach is the very definition of "hedge fund."
I have a couple of the duffles. They have held up well through a lot travel. They used to go on sale but never do anymore at retail some better options out there. Dehen makes great wool shirts, jacket etc.
Have to agree with him, surprised how much of the functional gear is simply gone. For those who need it, the brush pants are great. They used to have 3 versions for various weathers (including tin cloth and dry tin cloth) now there is only the upland version. The other piece I had a lot of experience with was the tin cloth jacket but was in a parka length. Truly, working clothing you can have for decades. And that hat he mentioned first can be a godsend in bad weather.
Sad, but true. I have to agree with you Carl. I have a few of their rugged twill and tin cloth products, and I am certain these will pass on for generations, plus I take care of them. But the pricing vs value today, makes me look around to other brands, smaller but with a very interesting offer... Take for example Bradley Mountain, Vermilyea Pelle or Treesizeverse (if you don't mind buying non US Made products). Anyway, thanks Carl as always interesting video
Great vid Carl. Truly a shame to see an icon like Filson degraded to this point, and, most likely further. How about an update on Pendleton products pls?
One thing I'd love to see Carl review is soap, there's a lot of soap made for men and have rugged scents and I think it'd be a very interesting thing to see him review.
Well I certainly appreciate the idea, and I've had a couple of those soaps which have been of varying levels of satisfaction. The problem is that I wouldnt have anything other than my own subjective opinion on them and nothing scientific or objective. Its a cool idea though, and I'm certainly going to consider it!
good video. I believe the pressure of giving ROI to investors pushes all these companies to increased the price. It is unfortunate that the value for our buck kind a get lost. I buy the products based on where it is made. I don't mind paying for the price as long as I know that hands that built is was paid fairly. I just bought a used Mackinaw cruiser from a friend at half the price and I am glad to pay him for it. I owned other down jackets and never owned a wool jacket till now. This. is now my go to jacket for the winter and I will pass this on to my oldest.
Have to check out the Nicks x Heat Straps "The Patriot" collaboration. Looks interesting but I think they may have taken some tips from Filson on the pricing. 🤷🏼♂️
Those prices all shot up at least 15% about 3 months ago,. not to be a Richard or anything, but those crappy Chelan tables are pronounced "Shuh-lann" by locals just in case you're out here in Warshington state...keep this content comin we like it! P.S. Lake Chelan is beautiful by the way, good vacation spot, and not that far from your favorite Nicks shop.
Love the pup, new Filson stuff not so much... I'll stick with my Ebay finds. Vintage Woolrich, Pendleton, Bemidji Woolen Mills, Cooper, Schott, and a few others.
I still wear the Filson Tin Cloth Packer Hat I bought in 2005 every winter in the rainy season. It will outlive me and it's still reasonably priced. -ish :) $85 won't break the bank.
Yes sir you are right about quality wool. It lasts a lifetime. I got a Pendleton shirt when I was in high school. Probably got it in 1972. My wife still wears that jacket. I certainly won't fit in it anymore :-) and it sure went through hell and those early years and it's still here and it still looks brand new! You cannot beat quality wool! Great video sir thank you!
Manifattura Ceccarelli used to do white label manufacturing for Filson Italy and since then they've branched off and are making garments under their own brand. Barely available stateside though which is a shame. Can also vouch for Vermillyea Pelle. I have one of their briefcases in heavy olive waxed canvas (heavy tin) and Sedgwick leather and it blows my Filson bags out of the water especially for the prices Filson is charging now. I also have a couple of Bleu de Chauffe bags and while they don't feel as ultra rugged as a Filson bag, you're getting a very well made, made in France, all vegetable-tanned leather bag for the same price as a Filson canvas and leather bag.
I wanted the Journeymen backpack after I saw one in "Jack Ryan." They decided to have it made in China but still want to charge the made in the USA price of $395. For that kind of money, I'll support some real made in the USA brands.
For real! For under 400 bucks you can get real made in America bags from Bradley mountain and they are a bit more rugged looking
Yea I just bought the journeyman backpack and it was made in Vietnam . Not happy about it .
No drain holes on the outside pocket and no webbing were the zippers end when you open the pack.
@@homerhowzit2587 it doesn’t have the gusset anymore and it doesn’t have the little drain holes on the bottom of that big pocket on the back.
Red Oxx!!! Made in Montana and my godfather just gave me his duffel bag from them he’s had forever. Fantastic warranty too.
Bought one not long ago, without knowing it is now made in Vietnam instead of US. I bough it ASAP after seeing the colour I want is back in stock and knowing the quanitity of made in US stuff is limited. Although the quaility is still good, I should have waited for some discount if I knew it is not made in US.
Private equity is on a mission to kill every good company in the US. Its frustrating.
Bunch of leeches
*china
Agreed! Can’t blame the original founders for selling out for the security of their personal future, but I hate what corporate greed does to the original quality of the product.
I’ve never really understood brand loyalty (at least to large companies), so I try to judge every single product I’m interested in on it’s own terms.
I am like that with Bean boots; everything else is mainly
oveseas products.
I agree, every company has huge hits and misses. That's what makes the hunt so fun. lol
It’s nice when a brand can be trusted so it takes less research and leaving things to chance.
Because you should support a company that shares your best interest. I wouldnt want to buy a product from a company that pays hundreds of thousands of dollars to the anti-gun lobby.
The Filson duffle now being $575 is ridiculous. Even at $395 it was tough selll
I was looking at getting a medium duffle for the last 6 months, not a chance now with the new price hike.
I got the LL Bean waxed canvas duffle in the khaki and I love it. Only $150 I think.
Still better than Woolrich.
Thanks for calling Filson out! I hate that this is happening to once great American companies. Very Sad.
I have a few of Filson’s items and they’re great but the recent price increases have put their stuff out of my range.
The Guide sweater is now $550. Insane.
And over 2 hundred dollars for a pair of jeans. I could buy 3 pair of Levi's for that price
@@jerrybartlett273 to be fair, Levi’s are nowhere near the quality of a nice pair of jeans. I spend $100+ on a pair of jeans and they’ll barely last a year. I want to spend more and get a 14+ oz denim pair and see how they hold up being like twice as heavy
@@KimballPrecisionRifles Filson make great jeans ,but are so expensive. I have 2 pair and they are so much thicker and bettet made than Levi jeans.
I just stopped by the Flagship Filson in Seattle this past weekend. And everything you say about the brand is spot on. You feel every bit of that when walking around looking at their products that are priced at INSANE prices.
Even the workers don’t embody the brand. I stopped in to see the fit of one of their upland bird vests, and as I’m trying it on, a worker tells me that he has one and that it works great for around town and carrying his laptop and snacks….
When I was in my 20’s, I loved the look and quality of Filson products, but was bouncing around jobs, and had no disposable income to get them. Now I’m almost 40, with job stability and regular income, and my disposable cash isn’t even enough for Filson products. I agree with you on LL Bean. I’ve gravitated more to their stuff lately, because it’s still well made and affordable. I have their Continental Rucksack from years ago. Still my favorite backpack ever!
Same here man, I've never been disappointed with an LL Bean purchase. Their shirts are REALLY big though, even in their slim cut.
I used to have a Filson budget that I carved out of my struggling early years' earnings. I purchased a number of their tin cloth and wool items in the 90's and they continue to serve me well today. The Highlander boots were and still are a dream. Every year I look forward to the return of cold weather so I can see my old friends again. My computer bag and I have logged over 1.5 million miles together with the commute and travel. But just as my favorite Carhartt B01's (moss & gravel) have gone, so have the things that attracted me to Filson. After the sale, could see the "Eddie Bauer" effect take hold and after awhile the tradition/quality/price calculus no longer works for me. It's sad but it is also evolutionary. When the old forget what got them there, the new will take the opportunity, just like the Filsons,Carhartts, and Levys in their day.
What brand of jeans would you recommend that are not made of stretchy fabric?
I love Carl's emphasis on buying fewer, better things. Also, the right type of patina just makes them look so more cool. Patina is so great on anything waxed canvas, denim and PNW boots, among many others. You have to earn that look. You can't just buy it.
Totally agree!
It’s called buy once cry once.
Filson went from substance and utility to fashion and hipsters.
Rich hipsters ..lol
Very good video!
You're 100% right on the great LL Bean flannel shirts!
The "quality fade" you mentioned has been going on for quite a while; in autos, groceries (seen an actual 1 pound pkg of kielbasa lately?), appliances, shoes/boots, etc. Buying used is not just a money-saver these days, it's the ONLY way to get a quality product that once-upon-a-time, was built to last! (not to mention the benefits of recycling!)
If you could put up links to some of those other companies you mentioned it would be great!
Thanks for ALL your work!
Thank you for making videos like this. I wish bigger companies would understand we want quality and we want items that are either American or Ethically sourced.
BUY HERE: Alt links might be cheaper!
Mackinaw Wool
- Mackinaw Cruiser: bit.ly/3CAdtau
- Mackinaw Wool Vest: bit.ly/3CqU3Vq
- Mackinaw Wool Packer Hat: bit.ly/43FGkWR
- Mackinaw Jac-Shirt: bit.ly/3qR87VJ
- Mackinaw Wool Bibs: bit.ly/3NeiP05
Rugged Twill
- Original Briefcase: bit.ly/3qzNPzP
- Original Briefcase alt: bit.ly/2IvNyEV
- Small Duffle Bag: bit.ly/3NCzGLj
- Medium Duffle Bag: bit.ly/3NrwdPR
- Large Duffle Bag: bit.ly/3JifEn2
- Pullman Suitcase: bit.ly/3qPcWPo
Tin Cloth
- Tin Cloth Cruiser: bit.ly/43MNUPC
- Tin Cloth Vest: bit.ly/3JmwCRd
- Tin Cloth Pants: bit.ly/3NiyP0V
Bridle Leather
- Shoulder Strap: bit.ly/3A3ndtQ
- Belt: bit.ly/3NF4NpR
- Puppy Collar: bit.ly/46eTqw4
- Wallet: bit.ly/3PrBOHn
What about those links to other companies?
Father purchased his Filson Makinaw Cruiser in 1977 and passed it to me and I have since passed to my son. Couple years ago purchased the Stormy Kromer Cruiser and love it minus the pocket configuration.
You make me miss fall and these videos are great I wait for them. Another great job brother. Thank you for this.
This is a great video and I made sure to share it as well. I have a Tin Cloth Packer hat that I love which I got for half price back in 2020. Aside from some smaller items, I can't imagine paying those prices for gear. I think you hit the nail on the head concerning fashion and trends versus purpose.
I agree with almost everything you said here, I would add one concern: most of the tin cloth items are no longer made in the USA. With that being the case, the price tag is simply too high in my opinion. I think their longevity and durability is also in question given that they just started outsourcing the tin cloth items this year and their QC has been questionable at best for imported items.
I thought I agreed until I took a look at the comparable waxed cotton garments from red cloud collective that Carl recommended…..a pair of Filson single tins are $195, a similar pair from red cloud(USA made) are $255. Seems to me that’s the labor difference right there. Now I get wanting made in the USA and being willing to pay for it, but at least they are passing along some of the savings apparently.
I wear a pair of single tin unwaxed pants every single day as an electrician. I just bought a brand new pair and was disappointed when it arrived because that's when I realized it was no longer USA made. The new pants are still durable as hell, but ide rather support an American brand with American workers.
I bought a pair of red clouds waxed double front pants in Havana and I liked them but blew a knee out on the 2nd wear just raking and bagging leaves. I hear you’re supposed to re-wax them for durability and they give you a small tin of wax but for $255 I shouldnt have to wax them in between each wear. Sad to talk badly about a small USA company but I was a little disappointed. I bought a pair of work jeans from Greasepoint Workwear and absolutely love them, pricey for work jeans but you can see where the money goes.
@@nlibby.268 you aren’t supposed to wax them between each wear lmao.
More like 1-2 times a year
What about the 24 hour tin cloth briefcase?
I bought my filson Mac cruiser when I got out of the Navy in 1976 for $58.00 and I thought it was really expensive. After 45 years it's like new with a lot of wear.
So good for both the list of products and the historical timeline and overview, thanks!
Sad days for Filson. Got my Med. Duffle and Mackinaw Cruiser a while ago and after seeing their prices skyrocket, I feel what I got from them is enough for me. Bradley Mountain makes an awesome looking briefcase that’s worth looking into. North End Bag Company from Virginia is another great maker that’s on pair with Bradley Mountain.
Carl, first off: long time fan, first time caller.
It's 2024 and in my opinion, I'd love to see you do another "Mackinaw Alternative" video. It's a shame, this is the first time in my life that I can afford a Filson but for the price and the move to international production has turned me away from dropping $550 on a new one. I'm one of the folks who likes to buy new but with the intention that every shift, mile, ding and tear are mine and mine alone.
Beyond that, I'll keep tuning in for all of your unbiased and unwavering videos.
Something is coming soon on Filson, so please stay tuned! Dont be a stranger!
Thanks for the great video. Sad to hear about the slide downhill.
Much appreciated! I agree, its a sad state of affairs.
Hey Carl - Thanks for shooting this one, as it's been a question on my mind for some time. As another Filson lover, it seems like they're in a weird spot right now. Too expensive, yet not quite good enough with things moving overseas. I'd like to see someone younger and dedicated take the brand over and move things back to the States.
edit: Looking back, I bought my original briefcase in 2015 for $130 on sale from Nordstrom. Crazy value there.
Similar story here in Canada when Tilley Endurables, hatmakers whose products came with a lifetime guarantee, were bought out by a US investment firm. Only a few lines are still made here and the rest is Chinese-made, with quality suffering. I cherish my Tilley hats as well as my Filson 100% wool vest with the classic red/black pattern which is known here as ‘lumberjack’ attire.
Good video and I’m digging the pendleton flannel😎
What I have noticed is that many Filson retailers in brick and mortar shops have older inventory on the shelfs that reflects older prices. A good place to find bargains.
It's what's happening in a lot of industries - private equity firms are sucking them up, cutting costs and quality, and driving them into the ground. It's happened with vet clinics, opticians and all kind of different businesses that were high quality, family owned or owner operated and it's ruining Canadian and American small firms.
Another Great Value Filson Product: Last winter I picked up a couple Filson wool beanies for $50 each. May sound expensive, but other stores in the mall were selling polyester or acrylic hats for $30-$40 and the Filson ones were 100% wool and beefy as hell.
It's always best to wait until their new fall / winter releases come out, but sure their tin cloth, wool, and few others will always be collection staples. Never overlook their summer sale too, some sweet deals if you get in early. My biggest concern lately has been their pricing, but thankfully I already have a few great jackets from them that will last forever.
Red Clouds Collective was the other company making waxed canvas workwear- they've got great deer and elk skin gloves, too
Great video Carl. Thank you 🤙😎
I like what Nick's boots is doing. Showcasing their craftsmen (and women) making their products on CZcams videos, showing off the high quality construction. It makes a person want to spend that extra money knowing they're getting a quality product that also pays wages to their fellow Americans.
Filson can’t do that because their workers are indentured servants fresh out of a shipping container
Really good post, Carl. Your thoughts are right on. BTW, I was thinking, as you were talking, "just like Eddie Bauer" and then you said it...LOL.
Several years ago, I stumbled across a couple relics from Filson's brief foray into the watch world in a TJ Maxx in a small town in Indiana. A Journeyman GMT with a stainless steel band and a Mackinaw Field Watch with a leather band. They were both on clearance for $120 each. A far cry from their original MSRP.
Yeah I have a double mackinaw wool packer coat with shearling collar, from when you could buy the packer coat for $400, I bought it new for $200 lol
I’ve been so disappointed in their price gouging lately. I still wear my great grand father’s mackinaw cruiser, I’m told it’s about 70 years old.
Wow the weather wool stuff is insane. And pricey lol. I feel I have got the best of Filson products a lot based on your reviews tbh. I have got a few duds also .. would love to see it come back to usa more. Thanks again for trying to keep interest in the brand while offering fair options
I agree with all Carl's comments. In my humble opinion, the best upland coat ever was their shelter cloth game coat. They do not make it or the heavier tin cloth version anymore. Their merino lined goatskin gloves are excellent, but have more than doubled in price in the last few years.
Here in Texas, I found the Mackinaw Wool Field Pants for $133. Brand New with tags. Quite the steal!
I do have to say that the Alaskan guide flannel is second to none. Just a beefy flannel and doesn’t shrink in the arms like all other flannels. I do agree it is sad what filson has been doing lately
100% agree on looking for used filson gear when you can. I'm a big fan of the Alaska guide shirts, happy to get them used when I can - they last forever.
Totally agree, I own more then a few FILSON garments, it’s is a shame to see their tin cloth lines go over seas. With the price hike they need a reality check. Very sad to see and the thumbnail for this video says it all.
Looks like a Pendleton board shirt you’re wearing there. I would love it if you took a dive on Pendleton in a future video. Their History and catalogoue and suchlike. Thanks!
Great suggestion!
I have owned Filson jackets, pants and bags since the mid-90s. Their products were never that affordable. I bought a tin cloth "suit" consisting of dry tin pants and a dry tin wool lined packer coat. I wore it during the winter when my band toured. It was great stuff and I have very fond memories of how rugged and comfortable it was. I have had a bunch of jackets since then and have worn out the elbows and cuffs on all of them. Very satisfying. But times have changed and I don't use my stuff much anymore. I did buy a Ciano Farmer Denim work jacket last year that replaced my short Cruiser jacket. That recaptured the magic for me. Filson lost me when they started selling dog gear and corny t shirts and hats. And now the price is 2.5 times what they once were. Times change I guess. Filson changed and I did not change with them. It happens. Thanks for the video.
I would never even consider buying anything new from Filson with how much the current ownership has tarnished this longtime piece of Americana. The last item I purchased new was an Ultralite vest. While it may not be made in country, it’s still good quality. I own two rugged twill bags from the mid 1990s and a wool Forestry Cruiser from 1960. All three purchased like new in the past 5 years. There’s no debating, you can tell a difference in quality when Filson was made by craftsman vs the automated assembly line
Great video! Thanks. Yeah, what’s up with those prices?! I know inflation is bad, but its still only like 9%. The price hikes are way more than that. I paid $150 for my Mac vest just last year. $225 now? Damn! Glad I grabbed one last year.
A good alternative for bags and luggage is Frost River. Solid wax canvas stuff with SB Foot leather (Red Wing’s tannery). All made in Duluth, MN from US-sourced materials at very reasonable prices.
Did I miss any recommendations on best places to get stuff second hand? Thanks for all the great content.
I have 2 made in Seattle wools jackets, and I had to strong arm them to make my wife a custom jacket they had quoted for us a few months earlier. She probably owns the last custom Filson piece ever made. Fantastic garments. This was 2006-2007. They have been all downhill since then. The original salesman in Seattle who quoted the custom coat for us was retiring in a few weeks because he could see the writing on the wall. Sad.
Yup!i agree..I am old 3rd generation seattle....mackinaw and rugged twill..bridle leather..nothing beats wool
Own some filson stuff but have to say LLBean has a superb flannel. The chamois cloth flannel at 7.5oz is great, i am outdoors a lot up in Canada and these shirts work as hard as I do. Good on you for recognizing a quality shirt Carl.
I bought Filson double tin packer coat and overalls in 2003 while working as a field manager on a farm in PA. One of my employees bought a Carhartt jacket for about $80 at the same time. Both coats experienced the same type and degree of wear at the same rate, to include freyed cuffs and missing buttons. When I called Filson for warranty repair, in the late summer, it was going to take them up to 6 months to return my jacket & bibs. Yes, you can pass these down to grandchildren if you only wear them for hunting or going to the country club. But if you do real labor, you're throwing money away. I now have a Walls canvas jacket with quilted lining which I have worn for 2 winters doing construction work in Montana. I do, however, LOVE my tin packer hat and wear it fly fishing all the time.
I've reviewed a few Filson products in the last few years on my channel and much of it has increased in price by hundreds of dollars since my reviews, and they were already overpriced. I have no idea what they are thinking raising their prices even more as they simultaneously off-shore more of their products. I used to work for Outdoor Research about 20 years ago in their main office/factory/ and factory store just a few blocks over from Filson in SoDo, Seattle, and I have a pro-deal with them now. Buut I don't know if I can recommend them as a company anymore. They were always too boutique, now they don't even seem to be targeting anyone but billionaires.
I appreciate the history lesson you gave at the beginning. That says it all.
Luckily I pretty much bought everything I wanted of theirs before they hiked prices insanely. If I didn't have a pro-deal even back then there's no way I could have afforded it.
I think you're spot on with your assessment. And I agree with you about LL Bean. Everything of there's I own is great value, works well, is comfortable, and looks pretty good. They've been around a long while and managed to keep things good.
Quality fade is a thing unfortunately and seems to be part of the lifecycle of an outdoor gear co. Luckily new, small-time manufacturers fill the voids left by the ones that got too big for their britches. I've watched it happen to North Face, Helly Hansen, OR, etc. Its unfortunate we can't have brand loyalty.
I HIGHLY recommend Miklagaard in Sweden for the finest wool outerwear made. Check them out. I'll be doing a review of their pants soon.
I found an old Filson vintage field jacket on-line and re-waxed it. It’s great! Made in USA, old school Filson with a zip in wool liner for warmth. Looks great after being re-waxed. Has THE PERFECT patina and works like brand new. I’m also a fan of Orvis dry waxed cotton as well. My wife bought me a new Heritage field jacket several years ago and it’s fantastic. It’s the olive version, and I recently found a tan jacket on eBay. Still had factory new tags on it. I also bought an old model Orvis field jacket and re-waxed it like you did with the Otter wax. Bit of a chore! After the work it looks good, but don’t think I’ll tackle it again, either. Good content! Appreciate the ins/outs on Filson.
Great content in your video, enjoyed your perspective.
I appreciate that!
I was gifted the Dryden Briefcase made out of 1000D Cordura®nylon years ago and used it as an office bag everyday for years. It still looks like new. I am quite impressed I have to admit. The leather bits have a nice wear to them but the nylon still looks new. Great product.
I waiting to hear that one in his list. I'm intending to order the Ripstop Nylon Backpack for 228USD (sale on some European travel bags site). I guess that will be a good buy nevertheless.
You hit the nail on the head. Some products from Filson are great, like I have a Jac Shirt and wool blanket, both in mackinaw wool and are amazing in the winter. But yeah, expensive so I bought the Jac Shirt on Mercari because it was cheaper and the pattern I wanted was discontinued. It’s probably safe to say that anything Filson sales made from cotton or synthetic material is best purchased from another retailer, like you said L.L. Bean for example.
I own ZERO Filson products. My life hasn't suffered. Filson sounds like a miserable company today. L.L. Bean quality has dropped significantly in the last 15 years. I've had buttons fall off in the first washing on several shirts. That never used to happen. I no longer spend my $$$ at L.L. Bean. I would have rather seen a 12 minute video about your cute dog! Stay healthy Carl!
Hahahaha she will be a regular fixture for sure!
Company Man! Is the company history channel on YT. LOVE THAT GUY!
Thank you for making this video. I know you take no pleasure in calling out the shortcuts, offshoring, and corporatized structure of these once humble companies. But on the other hand, I'm glad you are giving us, your audience, current alternatives.
It is hard to see Filson go their current route. I have a packer coat and wool zip in liner jacket from about 12 years ago. Amazing quality, comfort, real deal gear. I just looked at Filson's online catalog and they don't make the tin cloth packer coat anymore. An iconic item gone for lack of sales, no doubt. And the $285 (I thought that was a ton of money then) I paid would clearly be $600 now.
I look forward to patronizing the other companies you suggested.
I also have a packer coat but no vest it doesn't get cold enough where I live to justify one . My coat is 23 yrs old and will literally still stand up on it's own . totally waterproof and windproof I have been offered 400 bucks for it which is twice what I paid for it but it still hangs in the barn I found the small tin of wax they gave me when I bought the coat never used not needed great coat
Along with "quality fade" and perhaps parallel to it is the question of whether there's really a Filson's there, that is a Filson's HQ with Filson's factories making Filson stuff. We need to give that a name too, something along the lines of "virtual company" or something like that. That would be the point where the Company as defined by trademarks etc. become owned by something akin to a law firm who buy up all those things, basically the company that fits into the computer. They, of course, can now contract out that manufacturing to third party manufacturers. Note that the company in China is NOT a Filson factory, it is contracted to make articles according to the intellectual property owened of that law firm. Note that the law firm is neither Filson either, they just own the right t stamp articles with the Filson name, tin cloth etc. Likewise, there is no atelier where guys who have been outdoors design outdoors clothing anymore.
There may still be a Filson's in some respect as I have described, I am familier with Mountain Khaki which is pretty much a name only these days, they used to make what I call one of those perfect things these solid 100% cotton twill khacki shorts. One of the problems with overseas (read: China) is they don't really do 100% khacki cotton so they are now trapped by those manufacturers to make things with what they ahve available, MH can't really choose what materials to make things anymore, long story short they have to sell the same things that thos manufactures make for every other company in that market. Ergo, MK is now a name with some value and little else.
The tin pants are awesome in the woods, especially in heavy brush, definitely not for casual wear. Over time they will get much darker and you cant wash them but I just hose them out after wearing after a couple days in the bush.
I took a shot on the prospector hoodie last fall, wore it all winter to my construction job, it held up really well, other than a few grease stains it looks as good as the day bought it.
I have a closet full of Filson gear , all purchased in the 90s. Their wool goods are truly a great product. My LG duffle is better than new with the patina. Not mentioned here, the shelter cloth is really good, including my fly fishing vest.
Customer service was top notch. In 1998 my recently purchased hunting coat was a bit too big, talked with Peter in CS explaining my plight and a hunting trip in less than a week. Pete said he was shipping to me the next size down coat and when I got back from my trip to ship back original coat. This was done without any charges or refund s, simply an honor system over the phone. I will never forget that@
My current everyday belt is the Filson bridle double prong with the D ring. Love it excellent quality and workmanship. My problem with this in the beginning was their sizing for the belt. I had to go up so many sizes then I would wear in any other belt ever, which honestly some of their other products I have felt this way aa well with sizing. The belt was the worst though.
And a big thank you to Carl for turning me onto the Stormy Kromer brand. That video was from quite awhile ago. In writing this I realized I never gave a proper thank you.
Great program. Keep at it.
Bought my Double Mackinaw Cruiser for $350 about 10 years ago. Thought it was a lot back then, but man...what a deal.
I own the Filson 'tincloth game bags', I bought them 2 years ago and as mentioned in your video, the tincloth remains a quality product. Also, I should note, I bought these for the simple and utilitarian design; they have 3 bags, one bag for shells, one for spent shells (leave it better than you found it), and one for birds. God bless simple design.
Thanks For your Review. Very Helpful. I like to Buy American Made Products.
Pretty sure the CZcams channel you mentioned is called Company Man. Great and interesting channel.
Great video Carl!
Thanks!
Filson is overrated and overpriced. Simple as that. Quality has gone down and price has gone up. It’s corporate owned and made in other countries to save cost on their end. Why support them? I do agree with buying their vintage stuff and 2nd hand.
I own a few Filson items I bought in the 90s from there store in seattle . packer coat, wool mackinaw, and a bush hat . I use them in the winter when running cattle, fixing fence etc . they are great products I have been offered 400 bucks for my packer coat which is twice what I paid for it , still have it . great video even though it saddens me to see Filson sink so low
It’s hard that brands like that try to upsell that much, some people can afford that original price but have to save and patiently wait for when it’s available and now it’s harder for most to justify that price tag, especially since it’s hard for us during these trying times to not baby these items but love them but honestly there’s better ones out there that you can buy or honestly thrifting is something you’ll enjoy, you’ll find gems and gems of items you’ll love and that you can wear over and over again
Where is the shirt from that you are wearing - love it 😀
Good episode. I have many Filson items, but have switched my allegiance to Patagonia. Their products are just outstanding, and their guarantees are unparalleled.
You really gotta love that Patagonia warranty no doubt. There are a lot of pieces I really like from them and their workwear is very, very good.
Filson still has a great warranty. That’s one thing you forgot to mention in your video…
I remember LLBean when they were a reputable company forty years ago. As the company was sold and resold to marketing types the quality went down the latrine. I had a 350.00 Maine Warden's Parka zipper fail, leaving me with a completely opened parka, fastened tightly around my neck by the junk zipper. Nearly impossible to remove. How hard my friends laughed!
I went on the net and purchased a heavy brass zipper for the parka and had it installed by a professional tailor. You should not have to work that hard to end up with a decent product. And yet that is where we are today.
As a big Filson fan I agree with a lot of what’s said here. In 2016 I bought a Mackinaw cruiser, and it’s gone up over $100 in price since then, crazy! They still make good items but agree that it’s mostly their legacy items that have been made for decades. Which is a shame because I love the form and function of much of their line.
Same here man, its like watching your home burn down or something... Such a shame to see what was once a great company destroy themselves.
Whe I saw this pop up my first thought was “What the heck is he going to talk about for 14 minutes?!?!” I can vouch for the brief case. I purchased mine in 2010 and have used it nearly daily since. It’s better today than the day I purchased it. Every item of clothing I have is good, but just that…good.
Got the 256 briefcase for $150 from a South Carolina animal shelter thrift store. Barely used, no marks or fading. Mackinaw vest in fat guy for $12 at a local thrift store.
I got a pair of fjallraven vidda pro pants for working in the BC mountains and they are honestly my favorite work pants that I've ever owned so far. I would recommend them
This is a brand I need to get more familiar with, I've heard nothing but great things.
As someone who was in corporate America for decades, I recognized the filson trend immediately and it seems to have accelerated in recent years. The company has been taken over by the numbers guys whose goal is strictly to "maximize value for investors" which translates to exploiting the brand value for as much as possible, as long as possible, and when all the financial juice is squeezed out of it, discard the husk to go after another "undervalued" company. This approach is the very definition of "hedge fund."
Its terrible, and youre absolutely right - standard operating procedure.
reminds me of Cabela's
I have a couple of the duffles. They have held up well through a lot travel. They used to go on sale but never do anymore at retail some better options out there. Dehen makes great wool shirts, jacket etc.
I just received my mackinaw work jacket. It’s so good. ☝🏽
Have to agree with him, surprised how much of the functional gear is simply gone. For those who need it, the brush pants are great. They used to have 3 versions for various weathers (including tin cloth and dry tin cloth) now there is only the upland version. The other piece I had a lot of experience with was the tin cloth jacket but was in a parka length. Truly, working clothing you can have for decades. And that hat he mentioned first can be a godsend in bad weather.
Are you planning on doing a video on that Pendleton Board Shirt anytime?
I personally like Filson and have several of their products. I also enjoy your CZcams videos. 😉
I’m so glad I got a few of their tote bags while in Seattle. I thought their stuff was pricey back then. 😮
Great video Carl.
Thank you!!!
Sad, but true. I have to agree with you Carl. I have a few of their rugged twill and tin cloth products, and I am certain these will pass on for generations, plus I take care of them. But the pricing vs value today, makes me look around to other brands, smaller but with a very interesting offer... Take for example Bradley Mountain, Vermilyea Pelle or Treesizeverse (if you don't mind buying non US Made products).
Anyway, thanks Carl as always interesting video
Great vid Carl. Truly a shame to see an icon like Filson degraded to this point, and, most likely further. How about an update on Pendleton products pls?
One thing I'd love to see Carl review is soap, there's a lot of soap made for men and have rugged scents and I think it'd be a very interesting thing to see him review.
Well I certainly appreciate the idea, and I've had a couple of those soaps which have been of varying levels of satisfaction. The problem is that I wouldnt have anything other than my own subjective opinion on them and nothing scientific or objective. Its a cool idea though, and I'm certainly going to consider it!
good video. I believe the pressure of giving ROI to investors pushes all these companies to increased the price. It is unfortunate that the value for our buck kind a get lost. I buy the products based on where it is made. I don't mind paying for the price as long as I know that hands that built is was paid fairly. I just bought a used Mackinaw cruiser from a friend at half the price and I am glad to pay him for it. I owned other down jackets and never owned a wool jacket till now. This. is now my go to jacket for the winter and I will pass this on to my oldest.
Have to check out the Nicks x Heat Straps "The Patriot" collaboration. Looks interesting but I think they may have taken some tips from Filson on the pricing. 🤷🏼♂️
Those prices all shot up at least 15% about 3 months ago,. not to be a Richard or anything, but those crappy Chelan tables are pronounced "Shuh-lann" by locals just in case you're out here in Warshington state...keep this content comin we like it! P.S. Lake Chelan is beautiful by the way, good vacation spot, and not that far from your favorite Nicks shop.
I bought a pair of tin cloth bibs for $75 at offerup, crazy steal!
Love the pup, new Filson stuff not so much...
I'll stick with my Ebay finds. Vintage Woolrich, Pendleton, Bemidji Woolen Mills, Cooper, Schott, and a few others.
35 years ago I had a Filson long bill woolen ball cap. The best hat I ever had. Sure wish I still had it!
I still wear the Filson Tin Cloth Packer Hat I bought in 2005 every winter in the rainy season. It will outlive me and it's still reasonably priced. -ish :) $85 won't break the bank.
Yes sir you are right about quality wool. It lasts a lifetime. I got a Pendleton shirt when I was in high school. Probably got it in 1972. My wife still wears that jacket. I certainly won't fit in it anymore :-) and it sure went through hell and those early years and it's still here and it still looks brand new! You cannot beat quality wool! Great video sir thank you!
Manifattura Ceccarelli used to do white label manufacturing for Filson Italy and since then they've branched off and are making garments under their own brand. Barely available stateside though which is a shame.
Can also vouch for Vermillyea Pelle. I have one of their briefcases in heavy olive waxed canvas (heavy tin) and Sedgwick leather and it blows my Filson bags out of the water especially for the prices Filson is charging now. I also have a couple of Bleu de Chauffe bags and while they don't feel as ultra rugged as a Filson bag, you're getting a very well made, made in France, all vegetable-tanned leather bag for the same price as a Filson canvas and leather bag.