Throw Harder By Using Back Leg Tension
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- čas přidán 1. 07. 2024
- In this video, we discuss the importance of creating tension in the back leg when throwing a baseball. We emphasize the need to connect upper and lower body movements and to focus on rotational movements rather than linear ones. We also discuss the importance of individualizing training based on an athlete's specific needs and the value of incorporating radar feedback into training. We stress the importance of paying attention to an athlete's subjective experience and feel, as this can be more important than what is seen on video.
0:00 Intro
3:10 Importance of loading the spring.
6:09 What does it feel like to create tension?
11:50 How do you know when you’re over coil?
14:43 Hooking the rubber.
25:17 Finding the best position for rotational power.
28:41 Where to start with hip tension?
32:06 The difference between a Hershiser drill and the stick hinge drill.
40:39 The importance of loading into your lower half drills.
44:01 Shifting your feet to get a full delivery.
53:02 The importance of understanding the concept of mobility.
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The amount of great information available for free on this channel is amazing. Incredibly generous of Ben and Tread.
100 percent. Goldmine. Wish this was around years ago.
My kid is four years old and during his last private the coach recommended using a harness strap to tow heavy objects. Apparently this helps with stability, balance and hip rotation. We started light with a couple sacks of hardened concrete. He is now towing my truck around the neighborhood while in neutral. His velocity is off the charts for his age and the drill has actually helped his curve ball as well. His deep hip rotation and external rotation, hip flexation and linear vector pulse chain is something to behold. I highly recommend. It will be painful at first but if you have them wear two pairs of socks it minimizes the whimpering and blisters.
Just kidding, great info. Very overwhelming but it’s pretty cool to see these concepts. Who knew there was so much to pitching! My son is actually 9 and I’m not his coach but like to learn a bit with the goal of trying to teach good mechanics at a young age to minimize arm damage if this is something he does long term. It’s all about keeping it fun for him at this point. Thanks for these videos!
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I learned more in the first 10min of this video than all the hours I've watched of yours and others. Saying "IR" and then demonstrate it x3 guys. Hearing AND seeing how you each coiled and how it felt and what it meant to you. I'm only part way through and already saved this video. Really nice collaboration. Thank you
Definitely love the collaboration from all the coaches. Really nails down the point that everyone has to play to their strengths and anatomy. Very cool to see how each bias got into a powerful position in different ways. Should definitely do more of these collabs in the future
Such a fire vid. Just hearing from guys who have done it and actually get some perspective on an internal aspect just absolutely huge🔥🔥🔥
Maybe your most holistically valuable video to date. Thanks for sharing your expertise guys.
This is a goldmine for knowledge, thank you guys to take the time and effort to make this videos , it seriously help a lot of people that still want to learn , that sometimes doesnt have the opportunity to train with you guys taking me as an example. God bless you guys.
By far the best ever session. Start right.feel your positions maximize. And communicate! You never forget the right feelin. It's a light bulb.
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Gold. Thank you as always!
It's so great that you had everyone on here to share different perspectives. I'm a total ER dominant guy and it has been hard to feel the tension in the back hip without running into the bony block from lack of IR. It was nice to hear Matt say that he doesn't try to turn the foot out towards second base any longer and that he just tries to let it happen naturally. I've been turning the foot out a lot more lately and it feels nice to have room in the hip socket while moving down, but I can feel that there isn't as much tension. Thank you for posting this video. Hopefully I can start to get the right feeling in there. Keep up the good work
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Wow, info dump much! This is amazing, thank you so much!
I try to share this information but the coaches look at me like I’m clueless. All backyard, son never had a trainer and he’s a freshman on varsity in a very VERY competitive league. He has. LONG way to go but we can’t be doing too bad.
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Please tell us you'll do the rest of the delivery in this same format, i.e. 3 upper 90's guys with totally different bodies/styles showing their "look" to get the same "feel". Amazing content
Interesting stuff. I was thinking about this a few months ago after watching Judge and trying to figure out why he internally rotates his back foot. The hlp that he uses is big on the coil. Started messing around with it in pitching for my kiddo and noticed it improved a lot of the downstream stuff and increased his velo. Since a cycloid is the fastest way from A to B it made it were he could use the stretch in the lateral quad muscles to let him sink into the cycloid. Meaning he doesn't have the strength to get into a deep drop, but if he uses the stretch from a good coil move, he can control that to get deeper. What is interesting is he can control the same stretch to drift by winding it tighter, then when that loosens for the drift, he can tighten it again during the drop.
Y’all single handly bringing up the avg velo in the mlb
Took the coil concept and applied it to my hitting at practice today, was absolutely smoking the ball.
While watching I was thinking the same thing, these concepts can be applied to pitching and hitting.
What part of the video did they talk about this?
@@KT-ed8hj Somewhere within the first 15 minutes.
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okay, just experimented (side note I still pitch at 57) and tried toe angled slightly backward - allowing this "old" guy's knee to face back. I felt much more back leg tension, held my hinge longer without even trying, and gained 4 MPH. Nearly 40yrs of throwing and never heard of that as an option. For me forward knee leads to reduced velo. Hell I could probably change my toe and knee position just for a "changeup" lol. I'm neither IR or ER dominant. At my age I don't have much of either. Just very interesting how this one fix led to better mechanics and a big (for me) velo jump
This is a great conversation where you all speak to how you each create stretch & torque in the back hip and you clearly all do it differently.
Ben turns his foot to allow more wrapping around, while Scott then almost contradicts what Ben is saying but then you can see it's because Scott creates the stretch almost inside or against the back hip instead of around so they do have conflicting results due to each creating torque in a different way anatomically. If Scott were to start to wrap he would be actually releasing the torque that he creates against his hip.
If you picture the hip as a circle and you are stretching a rubber band around it it will have more stretch around the center (Scott) vs if you stretch it higher up (Ben).
Then Matt seems to have tighter hips which some would think would be a detriment to creating velo due to less potential movement->stretch->torque.
However he uses it to his benefit and is able to create that torque pulling up and back. Here we can think of the rubber band being thicker, not needing as much stretch if used correctly as he is able to do with a dynamic move back and up.
Amazingly interesting to see the same goal reached three different ways. Different types of coil.
Yes, it's just playing with different ways of creating tension. You can create more tension with more pelvic coil, turning the foot in, hooking the rubber. You can create less tension with less coil, turning the foot out, etc. Once you know what the dials are, you can tune them accordingly to the player.
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Does coiling the way you describe result in rotation of front shoulder (righty pitcher) towards 3rd base? If so, does that interfere with a straight line drive force towards home plate? Seems that it could thus produce centrifugal rotational force of the upper body rather than straight line force, resulting in reduced velocity and undue stress on the UCL rotator cuff.
Ben- my son is working in finding tension by counter rotating his hips and shoulders until he feels tension. But how does he keep separation if he counter rotates both?
@treadathletics How do you keep your arm healthy? It seems like every time I pitch my elbow hurts. My mechanics cant be perfect, but I doubt that would be the main cause. I would assume with more power you put into a throw the more stress you would put on your tendons/ligaments. How do pitchers like maddux have such great longevity while others cant stay off the IL?
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what about the slide step???
Is the goal of the hinge ultimately to create tension or produce ground reaction force? Does more tension automatically equal more GRF?
Create tension. Creating a huge spike in GRF is what happens when you leap off the rubber. It's more about having a stable, fixed point to the ground so that you can create tension. This tension is what allows you to rotate (unload) and capture energy from the lower half into the arm. Tools that encourage creating maximum GRF off the back side are missing the boat based on our understanding of efficient mechanics. Randy Sullivan has some good writing regarding impulse being much more important than peak GRF.
@@treadathletics thank you so much! I’ll have to check out Randy
for guys that hook the rubber, what do you do about all the spikes that have too many spike in the ball of foot area. used to have pitchers spikes with just three and you could “hook” easily
That's a valid point, the cleat type would influence this, as well as how well manicured the mound is. Pro mounds are fine, but most high school mounds are not kept up well enough to reliably do this every time.
excellent video, more like that please, more collaboration and discussion. maybe one for each step up the chain in order, feel what does it feel like
Is there a link for that stick they use to find the optimal loading position? I want to use this to practice at home
Nevermind, I’ll go with pvc pipe
Pretty sure it's a Stick Mobility Training Stick, but PVCs are a great affordable alternative!
What do you guys think about red light therapy
it’s a 1% kinda thing. perfect your sleep and diet and you’ll see much greater results in recovery/ gains. if you’re already perfect go for it, research says it works
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i notice when i drop into my back leg my knee moves toward third is this affecting velocity and if it is what can i do to fix it
Depends on if you're a ER or IR guy and how much its bending. Either way caving the knee too much will make you lose tension.
@@treadathletics i watched one of your videos on er and ir and i’m pretty sure i’m more er dominant
one of the guys talk about having to have your butt behind you in the delivery, but once i try and do that I loose balance or my heel is unstable when trying to load and hold. Once i have more bend towards my toes i feel more tension in my quad/calves. am i doing it wrong?
you need a lot of strength for it
We talked about a few ways you can find tension - just pushing your hips back as far as possible where you lose balance isn't the right feel. Did you try the diagonal chop / golf swing feel I mentioned in the video? Basically coil back into the back foot like you're about to hit a long drive - you may or may not get that far before the back hip winds up. It's that general feeling of stability/tension/winding.
Once you feel it there you can start to do some of the PVC progressions on one leg Marsili showed and start working on it in medball throws, swings, etc. A surprising number of guys can do it naturally when they pick up a bat, just not when throwing a ball. I'll often ask someone who is struggling on the mound if they can hit bombs in batting practice - if they can I know that pattern already exists in them on some level.
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should the peak tension be found at peak leg lift and its held until just before ffs
If you train a guy that has good experience in chen style tai chi or shaolin kung fu, he'll understand exactly what you guys are talking about. They efficiently transfer energy and explosive power into their strikes. Train one of these guys and you'll have your 110 mph pitcher.
whats funny is just by the way they stand/walk, their hips are already setting the feet to er/ir… like the middle guy stand with his feet pointing out which probably indicates thats he’s natural an er guy. and opposite with ben, whos feet is point straight or slightly in. almost like a basketball player.
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