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- Allen v. Farrow filmmakers Amy Ziering, Kirby Dick and Amy Herdy go deeper inside Part Three of the HBO Original documentary series, examining the media coverage following the custody battle, with original commentary from Vanity Fair’s Maureen Orth and Good Day New York’s Rosanna Scotto. In addition, they share recorded calls between Mia Farrow and Woody Allen discussing the fallout from the alleged attic incident as well as an excerpt from Dylan’s harrowing videotaped testimony when she was seven. In an exclusive interview, renowned psychologist Dr. Anna Salter discusses child molestation and its lingering effects.
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I cannot express fully enough, my deep and profound gratitude to you all and for Dylan's courage. As a survivor, this is one of the best, most nuanced looks into this I have ever heard. Thank you. To anyone who doubts the truth if this, you were never abused and I also believe Mr. Allen's celebrity has not only revealed our society's obsession with fame, but this does reveal some very deep roots of misogyny. I believe Dylan. As a filmmaker myself, thank you so much for the work and craft you gave to this project. My compassion to the family and Mia.
@Kevin Shaughnessy Good for her.
@@LSChestersMom ....using her now highly commercial Victim Name, rather than the one she lives by or a nom de plume.
...& all the while giving a wide swerve to civil court action, which would be a dignified & effective way to proceed, particularly as she has expressed that she's sorry to have missed her "day in court"
@Kevin Shaughnessy And? Are victims not allowed to live their lives, and express themselves now? Or is it that she’d be collecting revenue on something she created and wrote herself? If so, those are arbitrary rules I’ve never heard of before.
@@pauldunn108 Please direct us to the source of the “swerve to civil court action”.
@@jennifermariejoyce what "source" do you need?!
Civil court action has been available to Dylan for the last 28 years, & remains so until she turns 48!
Look at the Connecticut Statute of Limitations!
If there were any credible case, that's where she could & should have proceeded, * & still can*
Instead the Farrows never discuss it - & lazy or biased journalists never question it - & why should they when the mob are so easily gulled?
You might care to acquaint yourself, however belatedly, with Polanski's victim Samantha Geimer on this & her considered opinion of the Farrows & their triangulations.
Don't expect enlightenment from these documentarians: in a recent interview, one of them claimed to be totally unaware of the legal situation....after 3 YEARS of preparation!!!
I really appreciate the way you bring both the specifics (of this individual survivor, her family & this individual perpetrator) together with the more general perspective that comes from experts discussing the research on broader patterns of abuse, trauma & survival.
And I appreciate the sensitivity with which you discuss it all.
To the filmmakers: You are heroes. You have done a superb job on a very important topic. Thank you.
....or a very one-sided job which detracts from their credibility & ultimately harms Dylan's case.
For more of their heroism, read the Controversy section of the Wikipedia article on their film The Hunting Ground
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@@angieharper7173 Hey Angie, welcome to the Mia Farrow psycho club!
Dr. Salter’s work should be included in every parent training. We need to know what to look and listen for.
@Kevin Shaughnessy Oh look‼️Right on cue, as expected: a fake profile trolling their story trying to twist the narrative. Thanks for proving everything this family have been saying all along.
@@tamarapaquette5204 I'm not a fake profile, I doubt @Kevin Shaughnessy is either.
Why not try to answer the points rather than resorting to an ad hominem attack on the commenter?
Dr Salter has her opinion, of course, but perhaps you should acquaint yourself with the testimonies & concerns of Dr Coates & Dr Schultz in the 1993 court case
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That phone call is infuriating. His creepy whisper. Unable to answer such a simple question. Hearing Dylan just broke my heart in half. A child saying that hurts me so much.
Yes, he cannot give a direct answer to where he was----she is asking for a real answer if indeed it did not happen, he should be able to say where he was. His whole "that will come out"---nope that guy is busted. Then Dylan asking Mia if her daddy did that to her and wishing Andre Previn was her dad? Wow.
Use your brain. Don’t you think he would have been advised by his lawyers not to discuss anything with her over the phone?
I know-to me this was more of a smoking gun than anything on the doc. Why did they decide to bury it in the pod than show that on TV-most damning call of all IMHO
@@MrDan1969 they had SO MUCH DATA. They had to make choices.
@@deathrecordsdead9015 Use your brain. Don't you think he'd have simply said where he was the first time he was asked? He refused to answer the NY case worker about where he was, too.
We believe you Dylan!
No we don’t!
@@ecalose6785 you werent there so how u dont a honest opinion would be rather he did or not if it is not shown to the world that one answer that real answer will be EXPOSED IN HEAVEN ...............Real Talk he a lil bit too comfy yet they will not let this go yet he didnt do anything something happened we just dunno the full TRUTH
@@sassyd8738 you know that Mia had the services of Yale Professor of Law Alan Dershowitz (defender of OJ & Weinstein & Epstein)?
& they wanted to settle out of court for $7 million?
@@sassyd8738 you really should read what you write before you post.
“It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen." - the State of Connecticut's investigative outcome. “No credible evidence was found that the child named in this report has been abused or maltreated. This report has, therefore, been considered unfounded.” - the State of New York's investigative outcome. "...we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused..." - Yale-New Haven report
Abuse inflicts deep wounds on the developing child. This doesn't seem like there would be much argument on that point. The comments disputing the story and/or blaming the victim sound like "protesteth too much" to me. These acounts are hard to hear, but why are perpetrators defended so vigorously? They don't even offer credible excuses, yet these defenders come out of the woodwork. It's a puzzle.
I'm not defending any perpetrator.
I want all alleged cases to be thoroughly investigated & if convicted, suitably punished.
What I deplore is trial by social media & one-sided documentary, when the Farrows have never exhausted the legal possibilities, particularly a civil action for damages.
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Dylan's testimony guts me. I've broke into tears when I heard the last tape played in episode three and the one revealed in this podcast. I'm a mother of a now 10-year-old daughter. When my daughter would hurt herself while playing or become sick she would ask me the very same thing: did this happen to you? For anyone to say Dylan is lying and she was coached does not want to accept her truth and the truth of what happened.
Uh huh, Yale, social services, fbi lie detector says no lying, depos by Mia show she’s lied a few times, Ronan lies also. So basically you don’t know what you’re talkin about! Certainly willing to condemn with no proof tho!
The tape was one of the main reasons why the official investigations concluded that the child was never abused and coached by her mother. No mother would ever do that to her child if there really was any abuse. Feel sorry for your kids really.
@@ecalose6785 actually it came out that one of the two that interviewed Dylan 9 times (which also never happens to probable abuse victims) came out and said she actually believed Dylan and social services in NYC believed her too yes firing him after he put that in a report and wouldn’t change it at the behest of higher ups is shady and even the judge in the custody case didn’t believe that nothing happened and called into the validity of Yale because they destroyed their notes which is never done in an active investigation anyway so maybe the lie detector he PAID FOR helps your cause of he didn’t do it
@@ecalose6785
Sounds like you.
@@ursamagickmt672 care to explain what you are referring to?
I feel for Dylan she seems deeply wounded, hopefully she can move through this and leave it behind her
Poor Dylan ... whichever way you look at it , she’s been betrayed by everyone . She’s been either molested by her adopted father or used as a collateral by her adopted mother . 💔 she was only a child , they were grown ups in charge , shame on them !
I feel for her as well. This type of healing takes a lifetime and is never really “finished”. I love that she’s expressing herself, in an effort to help others. That’s a fast track to deeper healing, in my experience. I’m excited to read her book.
Never gonna happen. Her very existence is governed by an obsession with getting everyone on her side. When facts are pointed out showing that her (um, Mia's) accusations make no sense, she reverts to acting like a wounded child and all of you eat it up.
Love these thank you ❣️❣️
You love being manipulated and lied to? Well, okay then.
I believe Dylan. You can’t coach a child of that age to say things *voluntarily* like that and to express her distress like that.
Sure you can.
So what now? What happens to that rat? And let’s pray to the universe he is not doing the same to his children with Soon Yi. Goodness gracious!
@Kevin Shaughnessy We wait until these kids are adults. And if anything did happen to them and they find out that they could have been protected but weren't?
@@MrDan1969 They’re in college. 🙄
@Loulou Bos True....time flies. I wonder if we will ever hear from them. Probably best for all involved that we don't
@@MrDan1969 We have heard from them. Check their Instagram.
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Dylan talking about it in the bath breaks my heart
I know, right? Wrecked me.
@@Danusha_Goska you think that the court & police & social workers & investigators in 1993 didn't watch the videotape *in full* - not excerpted - before rejecting it as unreliable?!
You think they weren't used to examining & assessing such evidence, & trained over years & dedicated to doing just that, to protect children whose welfare they'd dedicated their lives to?
@@pauldunn108 you are all over these comments aren't you
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People DID disapprove of Woody’s relationship with Soon-yi. I remember.
Yeah, I have no clue where the filmmakers get some of the stuff they say. It’s like they live in an alternate reality.
Not to any significant extent. So many Hollywood starts stood up for him, and the story of Mia being a woman scorned prevailed.
@@linesogaard Among the general populace, the Soon-Yi affair was shocking. At a minimum it was was considered creepy and incredibly hurtful. People in Hollywood including Mia Farrow stood up for Roman Polanski. They do whatever is trendy in their circles.
@@linesogaard pop culture and the media certainly transmitted disapproval. I remember parody magazines and TV sketch shows mocking it at the time and it even becoming a bit of a trope in the same way but to a much smaller degree than what happened to Monica Lewinsky so undeservedly
@@linesogaard I remember that too. I couldn't believe over time that his relationship with his daughter was "accepted" and the narrative that Mia was just a "crazy scorned woman". I just couldn't believe it, but you are correct, that is exactly the story that prevailed. 🤢
I have heard dr. Anna Salter. She's excellent
Finally the truth will be told
And certainly not by this marry bunch of blatantly malicious amateurs. It all sounds like absolute spoof and it would be hilarious.. If only it wasn't about real people with real lives and real traumas.. Shame on you, people. And shame on HBO for letting this truth-hating septic tank of a podcast be published under their name.
@@chutzpahboo another apologist.
@Liana Mori Indeed.
@@llkoolbean4935 not at all, just remaining awake.
If there were a credible case, Dylan would be bringing a civil court action.
She's stated that she wishes she'd had her day in court.
But she avoids it, & even tried to pretend that the Connecticut statute of limitations had expired (she has 12 years left)
But why should she bother when the social media & TV crowd are so ill-informed, lazy & suggestible?
@@jennifermariejoyce have a look at the Controversy section of the Wikipedia article on The Hunting Ground, by these same documentarians.
Thank you for finally telling this important story.
they did not told. They hide information, manipulated and lied.
@@vilas.2345 Yep. Goes to show how easily people are manipulated.
Whenever I encounter people who deny Dylan's story (or Christina Crawford's story), it makes me suspect them of doing the same kind of thing themselves. Why else would someone be so defensive, and not automatically want to support the child?
Dylan’s testimony in the recording is so heart braking! Why wouldn’t anyone believe this child? That monster needs to be in jail.
people never believe us. that would break the institution of family...I guess?
That poor little darling girl.
🙄 Why would Allen talk about that day over the phone knowing that she’s probably recording? You do know that he would have been advised by his lawyers not to say anything, don’t you?
I swear you people don’t use your brains. No wonder so many people were manipulated by your “documentary.” 🤦🏻
Wow, someone else here with some common sense.
Thanks for the excellent information, its very sad though
Don't be too impressed with the "excellence" of the information until you've read the court transcripts for yourself, & other sources.
You might start with Moses Farrow's Open Letter, & Robert Weide's analyses on Ronanfarrow WordPress
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@@angieharper7173 time hanging heavy on your hands, Angie?
You could always look up the meaning of "erase"
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People please listen to Dylan, it’s horrible. Come on! How can you defend this guy! And believe she was coached! Omg
Creeps like you just want to believe even when it was proven decades ago that it was not true. Anything to hate men I guess. Gross.
@@nononsense4933
Who proved that? When?
@@ursamagickmt672 “It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen." - the State of Connecticut's investigative outcome. “No credible evidence was found that the child named in this report has been abused or maltreated. This report has, therefore, been considered unfounded.” - the State of New York's investigative outcome. "...we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused..." - Yale-New Haven report
This has changed my perspective on the Allen case entirely. Previously I was of the “well, we don’t know” camp and “there’s been xyz said about Mia Farrow, so...” But hearing all the testimony from people who were there, medical professionals, and then Dylan herself as a little girl, in the bathtub... if you go into all this material with even a slightly open mind it’s just very hard to explain away.
Except Allen did have an history, not with small kids but still kids. He had several relationship with teenagers, 16 years old to his 40+ years, a couple of them have admitted to it in interviews, apparently it was considered 'normal' or cool in the 70s. And just look at his movies, he seems obsessed with the age-gap and blondes.. so telling. I consider it all disgusting.
He's dated all types of all ages...but none under 17. 17 is the age of consent in NY and 39 other states.
Is it also Disgusting that Mia Farrow got together with Frank Sinatra when she was nineteen and Frank was forty nine?
I believe Dylan
I believe Dylan is an abused child - her abuser's name is Mia Farrow.
I believe you Dylan 🙌🏼
“It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen." - the State of Connecticut's investigative outcome. “No credible evidence was found that the child named in this report has been abused or maltreated. This report has, therefore, been considered unfounded.” - the State of New York's investigative outcome. "...we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused..." - Yale-New Haven report
"its ok to marry your step daughter?" stuck for me.
@Loulou Bos You’re right. That fact is also entirely irrelevant in this case.
@Loulou Bos Please extrapolate on this for me.
@Loulou Bos I know that part. You claim that Mr. Allen not having signed adoption papers (but acting as a father figure) makes his relationship with his girlfriend’s daughter perfectly fine and normal. Please go into more detail as to how this is the case.
@@jennifermariejoyce ...while we're waiting for Loulou, let me remind you that Soon-Yi has been adamant that she *never* considered WA as a father-figure.
She didn't need one, she had an actual father, Andre Previn.
Why so unwilling to accept Mia's *own* account of how she urged WA to spend time with Soon-Yi , by then *in her late teens*?!
Incidentally, many of us considered the WA/SYP relationship far from "fine & normal", mainly because of the devastating effect it was bound to wreak on Mia & family rather than any bad effect on the 2 consenting adults themselves.
THAT was the big scandal at the time, not the alleged molestation of a 7yo child which was held not to be credible.
But here we are, 29 years later, with them still happily together with 2 adult daughters.
A relationship that, despite its sensational beginnings, is now more stable & long-lasting than any of Mia's
Let's make it more exact, It's ok to marry your girlfriend's daughter. There. Still a big 🤮
It’s simple / why can’t he say were he was ? If I was in Mia’s room, or living room, or garden. Why not say? People defending this guy really are blind or something.
He was in a room full with people. His son Moses was there also and he never saw him leave with Dylan. Nobody went upstairs. You don't even know the basics of the case.
@@nononsense4933 I agree with the original poster of this thread and I'm actually an Allen supporter. A straightforward denial would have worked in his favor and it's discomforting to not hear it. However, he probably knew Mia was recording him since they recorded each other frequently and this podcast even admits to that. He probably was in a bad mood and didn't want to say anything that could have surfaced later, nevertheless this surfaced later. He has said in subsequent interviews and other people that he did not do it and used more plain language with those other people. I have lived with mentally ill people and so I would want to hear the entire conversation before saying so quickly that oh he refused to answer where he was. It may very well be that earlier in the conversation that was already covered and that she's asking again in order to be intimidating, that is what mentally ill people do. So I have to suspect that he was in a bad mood and not really tolerant of being recorded yet again by someone who is really very manipulative and mentally unstable- like I'm really surprised a lot of these comments are not commenting on how clearly, obviously manipulative Mia is in these "tapes," I mean this is beyond being protective- she's really trying to be judge, jury, and executioner & very vindictive. As though she has something to gain above and beyond "protecting her daughter."
Loving this companion podcast series...but I must admit that, staring at the screen makes me think Samira is gonna crawl out of my iPad and GET ME!😱👻😹👉 🎥⭕️
Ok you're hbo but this is what's up for your pic/video part of the podcast?
I believe Dylan.
One of the hosts sounds like Mia Farrow.
Good luck👍
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je crois qu'on peut télécharger et convertir en français des sous-titre youtube ; en gros il a violé sa fille il l'accuse il dit qu'elle ment et qu'elle est bizarre,; enfin tout le truc habituel 😢
Still waiting to see a photo or video of the crawl space where this abuse allegedly took place. Photos of everything and everyone else, but not of the one most important to the allegation, either contemporaneous or even as it looks today. This omission is enough for any reasonable person to conclude that this one-sided factually deficient hit piece is unmitigated garbage.
That wouldn't prove anything. Even if they produced a photo/video, and it showed a trainset just as Dylan said, how would you know it's not planted?
The filmmakers did one better. They produced a diagram made by Connecticut state investigators, people bound under penalty of perjury, showing that a toy train set was indeed there.
I believe Moses. Where's his interview?
Javi mjauson - the stories that Moses Farrow and Soon-Yi had related about the abuse they had experienced at the hands of their mother, Mia Farrow, is pretty horrific.
It doesnt have any interest for the mockumentary, whose purpose is make the audience believe a lie They hide all the proof about his innocence and Mia's guilt.
Old Joe McCarthy must be giggling in his grave.
I’m glad I listened to this. But just FYI, thee are other perspectives with really compelling evidence here on You Tube that paint a very different picture and seriously call into question the objectivity of these filmmakers as well as Ms Orth and other major players who reported on and shaped this narrative. Definitely2 sides here with 2 very shady characters; yes, I mean Mia.
What does civilly committed mean?
Involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital, if pre-determined to have a severe mental health disorder.
I have to question the integrity of these film makers if they are interviewing Maureen Orth. Who’s next? Jerry Springer? Lol!
...reminds me of nothing so much as the now prescient courtroom scene in WA's Bananas, which I strongly recommend to all.
...& the way all the speakers have their minds so easily "blown" by each other's comments, in between the ludicrous music snippets.
They certainly know their market: people who will of course look down on the readers of supermarket tabloids!
Maureen Orth is no investigative reporter and she did a lousy job with comprehensiveness from all perspectives. She pick and chose, and chose to
Ignore that which didn’t jive with her pre-investigative conclusions.
@@pbohearn there are glaring blunders, inaccuracies, omissions, inconsistencies & contradictions in Maureen Orth's Vanity Fair articles which unfortunately will not be picked up on by the casual reader
that kid sounds severely coached. and mia trying to get allen to confess, as if he were a dope... wow. i can't say if he's guilty or not, but i sure as heck couldn't convict him on that. but i can say mia is his greatest shield
So, you don't find it really strange that Allen refuses to answer what is a very simple question? Mia is being hypothetical and willing to entertain the idea that this is just made up by Dylan and if that was the case, where were they? And he refuses to answer, why? Just imagine this happened to you, someone accused you of such a horrible act and you get asked where you were. Would you just sit there, refusing to answer? As a father myself I can tell you I would be devestated by these allegations being directed towards me by my own daughter, I would be angry, hurt and I would tell every bit of detail to show it's not true. I would definitely not sit there and refuse to describe where I were and what I was doing when everyone was looking for us. At that point Allen knew that all the babysitters had been going through the entire house (except the attic), looking for him and Dylan without seeing them, so him being silent really says a lot. He knew they had been in the attic together and he didn't want to corroborate what Dylan had said, but at the same time he couldn't come up with an alternative explanation that sounded plausible. So he refused to answer. I for one find this extremely suspicious and not a sign of someone who is innocent.
@@marcuslewitzki4610 Oh FFS, have you never heard about lawyers? 🤦🏼
@thebub26 Do you have expertise in child psychology?
@Kevin Shaughnessy Deflecting my question doesn’t help support your argument.
@@dalethewhale6234 This conversation did not take place in a courtroom, it was a phone call between a rightfully concerned mother and a father where the mother is giving the father a chance to explain where he had been when everyone was looking and couldn't find him or their daughter for at least 20 minutes, and he refused to answer. And since the daughter claims he molested her in the attic (and still does to this day) I'd say there was no reason to simply answer the question and offer a plausible explanation for their 20 minute disappearance.
Another point is that it is so patronizing and disrespectful to repeat over and over that Dylan was either coached or imagined this. That says another human being doesn’t have agency and that he knows better than she does- even as an adult woman. Meanwhile, for a child he was so obsessed with, he pretty much went cold turkey in terms of communications or any semblance or pretense of caring or concern. Obviously it was about him and always has been. What a relief it will be when he shuffles off this mortal coil.
She was coached, there is video taped evidence of this.
So this podcast tells us that Mia Farrow was going to dump the phonecall tapes?
Rather than using them to help her fight for justice for her allegedly molested daughter & to help other abuse victims?
Why, over these intervening years, has she not consistently complained about Yale-New Haven & NY child welfare, with the help of the expensive attorneys available to her?
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My goodness. It’s really only in the last decade that the public consciousness will even acknowledge these types of crimes. Also, gaslighting is a real form of abuse that can alter the way someone processes a situation. If you’ve never experienced a smear campaign by a powerful and beloved filmmaker, I’m going to venture a guess that you wouldn’t be able to see things from Ms. Farrow’s point of view. If it had been me, my priority would be to protect my child from the triggers while she healed. Beyond that, I have no idea what I’d do, because I’m not her.
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Everybody's missing the subtext between the two principals. It's pretty obvious if you lift up the carpet why all this happened in the first place.
Oh do tell
woodys innocent.
Sure bud
@@dantefloressq i know pal.
Total BS
Johnny Depp just put a nail in the "me too" coffin. His coke inspired violence was not enough to convince the jury?
Load of crp
What a bunch of frauds.