My Aunt Mary was as much of an alcoholic as Joan Crawford and had good reason to be, She divorced her first husband after he punched their son Al in the mouth when he a baby for crying when he was teething and knocked him across his crib. She had a reputation in the family of being wild and crazy but everybody had a lot of respect for her especially after Al her only child died in Vietnam. She was utterly fearless and tough as nails having been a victim of severe abuse by her grandfather who survived being shot in the head as a police officer but with extreme mental problems and her mother who had eleven kids and no tolerance for the alcoholism and rebellion Mary embodied. A lot of Aunt Mary's nieces and nephews and kids of friends of her including myself were taken care of by her and I don't personally consider her abusive or evil because she spanked my butt once for throwing a tantrum during a snowball fight in her house where I got tossed out a window by somebody into a snowbank, She was funny as hell to live with and taught me to laugh at life's problems instead of crying over them like Christina Crawford did about getting her butt spanked by a woman who made her a rich Hollywood celebrity,
If you do the research, you will find that Christina made the abuse up...She was mad because Joan left her nothing and the "tell all book" was her way to be compensated because she felt entitled.
Mommy dearest was what Joan had them call her. Jackie Cooper, a child actor at the time had his mother on set with him. He called his mother Mother Dearest out of love and admiration. A few years later when Joan adopted Christina, this is what she made them call her. She wanted what Jackie Coopers mother had. But she didnt know how to be a mother.
In Christina's "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school. Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978. During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded: "I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident. In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book. That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time. Greene stated in her unpublished interview: "I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night." (Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING) **CREDIT to CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.**
@@Garsons-oq4lh I knew this couldn't be true, I read the same exact proofs. Some assume that Christina wasn't payed by her mother when she left like Joan Crawford had done for her other two children, however she payed for her institution for university if I'm not mistaken. I believe Christina Crawford wrote all this about her late mother Joan Crawford because she hated the way she was during the feud of Betti Davis and her...that is when she became desperate for the stage and fame. I believe Betti Davis' daughter had similar ideas for the neglect she was given. When things don't add up in a story, they don't add up for a reason.
Moth’s Mummy no, that’s completely true...if you knew anything about narcissism or cluster b personality disorders, you’d know narcs don’t have empathy and can’t love. It stems from abuse/neglect early in childhood.
Here is one definition: Narcissistic personality disorder - one of several types of personality disorders - is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others.
That scene with the wire hangers was such an eye opener. My mom would fly into rages just like this. It makes me turn to ice inside just watching this scene. I believe Christina one hundred percent.
Felicity Ray Self ...I went through the same thing except I got it from both parents. You never knew what you were going to get hit with. My two oldest brothers got the same treatment. May they both Rest In Peace. My older sister was never touched. I also have a younger brother who has and still is the king. He’s 58 and still lives with my 99 yr old father. He’s a druggy and will steel you blind. So many bad memories of my childhood. I’ve been in therapy for 40 years and I just can’t get over it. Hugs to you.
My birth mother had mental illness and abused her first two children. Then went on and had two more. Watching this movie and hearing some of these lines that my mother said and did to us brought flash backs. She was a child abuser. Someone asked me if I ever told my father? I said no. They asked me why, and said I didn't know it was wrong, i thought it was me. Today she would have been jailed. Prayers to all of you who suffered by the hands of such 🙏🙏🙏🕊
I hear ya. My mother is still a bully and a horrible person at 92. She would probably beat on those around her if she could get away with it. Her own sisters can’t stand her. God bless anyone subjected to such a merciless mother.
OMG...! Someone else who endured this same thing, sans the fortune and fame! When the novel "Mommie Dearest" came out, as an avid and voracious reader since the age of 6, I bought a copy as a teenager, and I was reading it one day when my very own mommie dearest came home from work, and SHE WENT OFF!! What really struck me was the fact that I read other novels in front of her, like Valley of the Dolls; no reaction. I read racy Sidney Sheldon novels; no response....ditto for Vincent Bugliosi's Helter Skelter, and again, no reaction from her. Until she saw me reading THIS ONE; I suppose it just hit a little too close to home for her. I remember reading SO MANY parts of that novel, incidents that were nearly identical to things that my own mother had done to ME and my older half-brother, and I almost came up out of my chair, reeling in this.... fascinated horror, because YES! I could, unfortunately, relate to this same scenario, this same dynamic, the same horrific verbal, emotional, and physical ABUSE! My dad was no help, so it did no good to say anything to him, either; not that he didn't know about the things she said and did to us, HE DID, but....he had his own issues, and he lived in fear of that evil bitch until the day he died, being the mousy, weak, ineffective father that he was. I went no contact 18 years ago, and I never looked back, I've never had even one regret about that decision. I believe you, and I understand. I was in therapy for years over the things I had to endure; I wanted to send her all of the bills, but....my insurance covered all of it, so I never did, but I should have anyway, and returned the money to my insurer. No one else will ever be able to believe or understand something like this when they never lived it.
Ikr but people seem to throw her under the bus for that book..If she did it outta spite she sure learned manipulations from the people she was around. Sadly she will always be judged because her mom was Joan crawford joan wasnt a saint Seem a publicity queen a movie star and about money money hmmm
Actually Faye should have been Nominated for, if not won the Oscar that year. It is an Iconic Performance that is still celebrated to this day. She came in 2nd for the NY Film Critics award for Best Actress and Pauline Kael, film critic for the New Yorker, gave her a rare rave review, calling hers a “ ferocious performance.
Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953. Here is how she describes this incident in her book: "The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness." -This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days." This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation: "I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal." -This claim is medically impossible. Brusies to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks. By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain. This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation. In "Survivor" Christina writes: "In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke" This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina. Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980 “I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina." **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Kelsey Haight: It's hard to believe that those monster eyebrows were ever fashionable, huh? Joan had very thin contoured eyebrows in her early pics, but they got thicker each year, eventually settling into the fat caterpillars. They look downright comical to me. She was known for her eyebrows & her mouth/lips. Her thick lips were actually an accident. When Joan was young (22-23 yrs old), she had 4 molar teeth removed on each side of her mouth in order to create distinctive cheekbones (a trick she had heard that Marlene Dietrich had done). Her mouth quickly became infected & very swollen... Her mouth was infected for quite a while before the infection was healed. But when her mouth returned to normal, her top lip remained swollen permanently. She used make-up to create a larger bottom lip in order to balance out her mouth area. Joan had recurring dental problems for the remainder of her life due to her early choice of removing molars (receding gums, painful infections, disintegrating jawbones). (BTW, no PROOF has ever been found stating that Marlene Dietrich ever had teeth removed to create that contoured cheekbone look, but that was the Hollywood rumor at the time.)
Ok. I’m so frustrated by people who assume that children adopted by rich famous people are generally better off. As if it’s better to be adopted by the rich than it is to be adopted by the mentally stable. As if there would never be an opportunity for that child to be adopted by people more emotionally stable. As if money heals all wounds. Well, if that’s so, I got got a paper cut at work yesterday, lend me a $20 so I can heal properly.
emayaych Are you sure people think that? This story has been around for a very long time and changed people’s perceptions quite a bit.. it’s pretty obvious that being rich doesn’t equal kind...
The Logic of Christina Crawford Believers: I believe Christina Crawford! I was abused as a child, and despite that abuse occurring in a totally 'different' household, by totally 'different' people and in a totally 'different' decade, my story PROVES Joan Crawford abused her children! Joan Crawford's other children(Cathy and Cindy)'s stories DO NOT count! It doesn't matter that they were raised by the 'same' mother, in the 'same' household, and during the 'same' era! I know the truth because I was abused. **Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Here's the thing about that. Christina wasn't alone in claiming the abuse was real. Aside from Christopher siding with her in admiting to the abuse, but some people who worked for Joan as well as some of her Hollywood peers and neighbors claimed later on they knew something was going on at the Crawford home. Granted Christina's writing the book after Joan death is sus, but there have been as many people who came forward in support of her as there were who dismissed her claims. Course this was Hollywood during the days of the Studio System. They would literally cover up murders, hit and runs, and rapes to protect their stars. So if Joan really did abuse her kids, it would have been covered up.
She had some type of mental illness, my mom suffered from something similar. She could be so angry out of nowhere for no reason that life from young was constantly dodging mine fields. Got hit with hangers, wooden spoons, but her favorite was the pitta she made-12 belts attached to one handle. Sad what drives people. Is it mental illness, a hard life? I don’t know. My mom constantly took her frustration out on me. Never hit my own kids-can’t imagine hurting them. So don’t think because a parent is screwed up the kids will be too.
Stacy Steele my mum would get angry out of nowhere. She’d even start crying out of no where but she never once hit me. EVER. We were in Africa btw where all kinds of abuse are welcomed but she never was mean to me
There’s a whole lot of people who claim they witnessed this and did nothing… Her close friend even admits that she abused her children and is smiling while talking about it and didn’t claim to even attempt to do anything about it. Really sad and honestly just as bad as abusing children.
I feel sorry for the whole family she obviously wasn't loved as a child she cared more about the beautiful dresses than the beautiful spirits of the children she paid to raise!!!
June Allyson wrote in her autobiography what she witnessed at the Crawford home between Joan and Christina and it corroborated Christina's story. I believe June Allyson. She had absolutely nothing to gain by lying.
June lost custody of her daughters as an alcoholic. A mother should not criticize another when it is just as bad. Joan was sick, June was not. The truth is the truth.
@@11rokerito june had every right to criticize Joan and speak out about what she saw. Losing her children made her even more of an authority of what a bad parent is. And alcoholism IS a disease.
@lurch321 thanks to Christina's spitefulness, always having to have the last word, propaganda etc. She was 4 or 5 years older and it was easy for her to take him under her wing and teach him all the other-brainwashing. WheneverJoan was trying to correct Christina, Christina with spit out the words sarcastically and defiantly "yes Mommy dearest!!!😜😠😜😠😈👿🔥 The child from hell?!! How would you deal with a smirking child who must always have the last word?😯😮🤔
@@CharlieChilders-wm9gb um, and who raised that child? A child doesn't owe you love or gratitude. YOU owe your child the world. That's your job as a parent. Annnnnd in addition, you dimwitted weirdo, JC is the one who has purported that she insisted on them calling her Mother Dearest or Mommy Dearest. Lol they didn't make it up for her themselves.
I relate in many ways because my mother treated me the same way. Took all her frustrations and anger on me ever since I could remember. So sad how ppl have kids, adopt or any other way and treat them like garbage and damage them for life, mentally.
She always claimed that the kids didn't love her. She said it was as if they couldn't stand the sound of her voice. Maybe she imagined it. But she could sense it I guess.
Too bad DCFS didn't discover Joanne and had her prosecuted!!!!! Too bad sime cop didn't give her the combination of the George Floyd and Rodney King treatment combined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@albertcarello5489 There wasn't a DCFS at the time...kids had to fend for themselves until child protective agencies came in to being during the next decade.
It's time for EVERYONE to stop glossing over the fact that Christopher may have been sold or stolen. We need to find out where he came from. People NEED to be held accountable.
She may have sold her soul to be a famous movie star she was definitely corrupt I don't care how abused you are as the child you get no pleasure from hurting others unless you love Darkness more than light
Becoming a narcissist was her adaptation to her dysfunctional upbringing as a survival method. I'm not condoning her behavior. The opposite would be a codependent. They are completely opposites of one another and neither one of them is healthy.
Her performance was SPOT-ON! It scared me! The depiction of her OCD when washing her face, the wire hangers, and the comet was telling! The “adoption” was nothing more than a black market baby ring. There’s a movie with Mare Winningham that talks about the woman who would take people’s babies and sell them. That was where Joans kids came from.
The story of "Mommie Dearest" is my late father. Years later I learned that my Mom did not love him but was pressured to marry. We paid for it through PHYSICAL ABUSE
Poor Christina Crawford it's amazing what a good person she came out to be I can tell from her talk shows and what she went through because she had a life of Hell growing up with her mother Joan Crawford and she raised kids herself and was a good mother and a good person Christina was nothing like her mother it's a miracle she came out to be a great person like she is
If by good person you mean someone who has more holes in her story than a Swiss cheese factory... Her alleged sob story as a meal ticket because she has no talent and nothing else to offer at all. She's not an abuse victim. She's just a professional victim. So long as there's a check involved.
Christina's accusations are as ludicrous as pigs flying sure there are multiple people who corroborate her statements but there are just as much people who don't not to mention she finished the book just after her mother's death is very suspicious if you ask me and on top of that her mother refused to give a part of her will because of the book serves as a nice plausible motive if you ask me Christina has no evidence outside of a book and a questionable documentary to prove her outrageous accusations. Christina is about as believable as Amber Heard's testimony against Johnny Depp. I'd give her accusations a 7/10 a plausible accusation but one so full of holes even an archaeologist can't dig it all up and find anything accurate so until more evidence comes to light Christina can't be possibly believed Joan is innocent till proven guilty and I stand by that fact about justice and I will fight till the end to keep that fact in short I have very high doubts on Christina's accusations against her mother sorry for the long comment.
The video is definitely wrong about her career declining after 'Mildred Pierce' (1945), for which she won an Oscar. She was very successful and popular again well into the early and mid 1950's. She re-invented herself and made a huge comeback with Mildred Pierce. Her movies were huge hits like 'Humoresque' and 'Possessed' which raked in millions for her. She outlasted most of the big stars from the 1930's who were never heard from again.
Still legendary after all these years. I haven't seen any other film like it.. My 10yr daughter had to hide a little during the wire coat hanger scene. Mommy dearest who grew to be one narcissistic, passive aggressive, single, independent mother also struggling with her own alchol addiction, too rich for any social workers to come investigate. It also shoes a women who goes through aging and insecurity. Her sword cuts both ways. 🗡
I remember when I was about 5 years old I saw her on TV in a movie called "I Saw What You Did ". I didn't know who she was or what the movie was called until years later, but I remember her shrieking and clawing and slapping her way through out the film, first abusing her husband and then a group of teenage girls who were just out pulling a harmless prank. She scared the hell out of me back then.
I completely believe Christina. It all makes sense about the reason why she adopted those kids. It's completely a stunt so she can get more attention and fame. It's really so sad to do all that to an innocent child.
Most people adopt because they want what they want. Adoption should be about giving a loving home to a child who has none. I would have preferred to have been aborted. I can accept I am a survivor, at the moment. All of my problems aren't due to being adopted but it sure as hell contributed and formed me into the person I am!!! If the little girl who threw me away didn't want me I wish she would have had enough money for an abortion......I never would have known the difference. I will use my experiences to be there for other people who have none because I still have no family!
Awww T. J. That breaks my heart to hear. You seem like a person God wanted here... He's got a purpose for you....there are a lot of people looking for a family...i pray you all find each other. ❤
T.J. Bless you for finding a way to use your bad experiences to put some good out in the world. My biological parents kept me, but due to their abuse and neglect, and a sibling I haven't spoken to in about 20 yrs., I spend a lot of days feeling like I have no family. I'm always reminded of what author Dr. Wayne Dyer used to say about family - that friends are God's way of apologizing for family. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. Thank god there are ways we can create our own loving families.
I don't believe Christina and I will tell you why. Christina wasn't Joan's first adopted child. The first child was a boy that she named Christopher. Shortly after that adoption, the birth parents wanted the baby back and winning a court case against Joan. Joan was extremely heart broken. She later adopted Christina, then later Joan adopted a boy and was also named Christopher. Her reasoning for naming the boy Christopher, was because she truly and still loved her first adopted child.. Joan had fears after adopting both Christina and Christopher (second boy) that the same thing would happen where the birth parents would take them away. So to believe Joan only adopted for publicity, I don't buy. She later adopted twins. Christina wasn't an angel. Joan may have disciplined her children that is not acceptable by today's standards, but it was acceptable back then. In fact, it was acceptable before Joan adopted children to the 1980s. Christina was a spoiled brat and felt entitlement. Joan provided for her children a great deal. She sent them to truly good schools (which were mostly boarding schools), fine clothing, fine eating, etc.. And just to add, celebrities commonly sent their kids to boarding schools, because as stated, they were truly good schools. Hilton sisters, Kardashian kids, and the likes all went to boarding schools, as well. Christopher was also not an angel either. When he didn't get his way, he would run away from home and committing crimes along the way. Christina wrote the scathing book to spite Joan for being left out of Joan's will. Christina needed money. She did go into acting for a while, but people that she worked with found her to possess a Diva personality. She would demand the biggest dressing rooms, for instance. She also pulled the "I am Joan Crawford's daughter" card when she didn't get her wishes. She was so difficult to work with that no one would hire her as an actor. Christina's first husband also claimed that Christina was demanding and vindictive. And I know some celebrities have claimed to have witnessed Joan abusing her children, but no one seems to ask them why they didn't say anything to the authorities. Because they never did anything when they felt the children were being overly disciplined, has me convinced those celebrities, like Christina, they had an ax to grin with Joan. Joan's secretary for nearly 50 years named Betty Barker stated that Joan was strict with her children, but they were never abused to the extent of which both book and movie depicted Joan as being. Hollywood news story writer Liz Smith stated in one of her articles "I was inclined to believe Joan was misguided in her attempts to 'mold' her children-and was vain and self-absorbed like most great stars-but the stories of beatings and near-madness were over the top.". Christina did mocked the so-called abuse on a show in the 80s. She made fun of the so-called wire hanger alleged incident, which I found very troubling. If one suffers from any form of extreme abuse, one does NOT feel the desire to mock it. Simply for the fact it was a dramatic event and should never be made fun of. The point of my winded reply, is hopefully encourage you to do more research and not rely solely on Christina's book. When I first saw the movie back when it came out, I bought the book and read it. I truly believed at the time Christina was telling the truth. I later decided to research Christina Crawford and Christopher Crawford. It was then when I started to see a more clearer picture of who Christina is. This is why I'll never believe Christina. Remember, she only decided to write the scathing book AFTER Joan had passed and Christina finding out her and Christopher were left out of the will. The twins were in the will, but not Christina and Christopher. I will add that both Christina and Christopher contested the will and won in court and was awarded money from Joan's estate. Another sign of entitlement by those two. Another sign of going against Joan's wishes. Christina and Christopher are not the innocent victims of extreme child abuse and Joan was not the monster they both made her out to be.
@@bunnypoop4508 Yesss! That she was!! And you know what...I don't think that she was monster after watching more docs and reading up more on Mrs. Crawford...can't go by what ppl say abt a person who is not here to defend themselves 😊 RIP to Mrs. Joan!!! Still enjoy watching her movies 💕💕💕
Those who call out Christina a liar over the alleged abuse need their heads examined. An old friend of mine suffered similar emotional and physical abuse at the hands of her (slightly overweight) narcissistic mother who envied her own daughter's model-perfect looks and body. Regularly shaming my friend, calling her horrible things that I became witness far too often, like attacking and blaming my friend for any stupid thing, and 'chasing around' etc. Thankfully my friend's dad figured out what was going on and switched shifts so that he was HOME after 330pm, and the abuse stopped. But I will NEVER forget what I witnessed. Joan being a celebrity and alcoholic NEVER excused her terrible behavior. Far as looks, Joan was attractive, but no "beauty" compared to her rivals Davis, Harlow, and Francis. Such truth eats away at a screen diva, and got the worst of her.
@@erickanew I hate that you'd say that. Why would she lie on her own mother? Joan was manipulative and a famous Hollywood star. Of course these people said she didn't. You can still admire a movie star and admit their wrongdoing.
@@miwfreak4312 a lot of people said she lied. She did it to make money and was upset with her mother because she didn't leave her anything. She wasn't even around her mother most of her childhood because she was in boarding school. She's awful for lying like that
@@erickanew if you weren't there you don't actually know I think that Joan Crawford was great from what I know of her but I don't know her private life. I just saw if you watched this you did to another person who said that she saw some abuse
@@coryburns9161 I saw a special on it. They found all kinds of holes in this lady's story. She just got really angry that Joan didn't leave her any money. Idk I guess most people would be ticked if they had a rich parent that didn't leave them a dime. I always hate things that tell a really bad story on someone that's dead. They have no way to defend themselves
@Christine Mills Christina had every right to be afraid of her. Joan had a lot of connections, it wouldn't be hard to ruin Christina's life with them. Or it could simply be she was terrified, which is viable. It may not make sense, but when you gi through the things she did, you are so afraid to do or say anything. My abuser was behind bars and I was still terrified. Years of abuse causes extreme paranoia that I truly hope you never have to understand.
I love Joan Crawford, a great actress, loved her fans, and was always grateful to them, Joan always looked elegant, but I don't think she would have been an easy mother to have, but you know on screen she was pure magic!!!!! 🐩🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
Personally, I think the only real reason they "don't make them like that anymore" is simply due to the demise- for better and worse- of Hollywood's old Studio system, which demanded the creation of "Stars" and guaranteed actors under studio contract a set number of movies before contract's expiration.
I saw in another documentary that the secretary said that Christina lied but she wasn't on camera saying it. I believe Christina bc people dont want to believe bad things about people on camera.
Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953. Here is how she describes this incident in her book: "The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness." -This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days." This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation: "I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal." -This claim is medically impossible. Bruises to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks. By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain. This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation. In "Survivor" Christina writes: "In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke" This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina. Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980 “I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina." **ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Christina seems very credible. I read the book and I have the movie. I believe her. Joan reminds me very much of my mom. It's just sad all the way around. I believe that Joan was extremely narcissistic.
Similar, my grandfather was the serial abuser to me sexually, but I'm a wife mother aunt and now grandmother, but I swear I'd never take it out on everything and everybody, especially kids, poor Christina and Christopher didn't deserve this treatment. My sympathy goes out to all victims of any violent or any kind of sexual abuse no matter how old they are. My father got the physical abuse been around 15 16, but hell he fought back My grandfather never did that again!@
She adopted Christina from a place in TN. I wonder if it was Georgia Tann, the Tennessee Children's home. I saw that Christina was the only kid she actually adopted. She bought the others from Georgia Tann who stole up to 5000 kids.
Considering the absolutely appalling childhood Jan Crawford endured, from an abusive mother to losing her virginity at 11 with her step-father, is it REALLY that hard to believe she was abusive to her first two adopted children?
Samantha Divis no it isn't because during this time. Joan's career was kind of getting lost so she had her moments and that was it but other than that I truly believe that she did love her children
Samantha Divis it’s actually not very hard to believe most people Who are abusers were abused in their childhood it’s a cycle repeats The very sad part is that there were paparazzi , Reporters and people who worked for her was. Have come out and said yeah I saw her abusing her kids and drinking all the time. did nothing to help Those two kids and Joan Crawford. Which was very common for the time
Joan Crawford had difficulty adopting via normal routes because she was considered an unacceptable parental candidate and was rejected. She had to find more unconventional ways to adopt where adoption laws were more lax. Or as Christina said, she didn't adopt children, she bought them. Christina also says they could never find any adoption papers for her brother.
Having a poor childhood doesn’t excuse her behaviour towards those two poor children! My childhood was difficult at times (psychological abuse), yet my children will NEVER experience hurt and upset like I did!
When Bette Davis was nominated for best actress for Whatever Happened To Baby Jane, Joan Crawford contacted the other nominees and offered to accept the award for them if they won. Anne Bancroft wound up winning and when Joan Crawford went up to the podium to accept the award Bette Davis was beyond furious
And Joan is supposed to have prevented Bette from winning is that it? There is no proof Joan had anything to do with Bette not winning and noone (except a delusional Bette and at the expense of Bancroft) has come foward to proclaim so.
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim No @ER K should quit drinking, if not for his/herself, then at least for the children. Children don't deserve to grow up with alcoholic parents, especially not parents that drink in their presence.
@@DellaStreet123 that was exactly my point. Little children can’t express themselves, but once they grow up the parents will see how much damage their “harmless drinking” has done
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim I'm glad we agree. By the way, I'm under the impression that when people bark "Don't judge", they know they are in the wrong.
The 'Twins', not Christina. She was Georgia Tann. Mary Tyler Moore portrayed her in a movie. She was some piece of work, that Georgia. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1131282/The-Hollywood-Baby-Snatcher-The-sinister-story-woman-stole-children-sold-stars.html
Jaymes Guy Georgia Tann Gave her all her kids look up georgia tann and it would tell u i study women serial killers and georgia tann was one of them the movie only shows christina and her brother but in real life georgia tann gave her all her kids , and all the kids that georgia tann had at her adoption agency was stolen look it up
People have so much sympathy for Christina Crawford, but none for Joan who was sexually abused as a child, whose father left her and whose mother didn't want her. I'm not condoning the alleged child abuse, but no one is born evil. Joan Crawford had an appalling childhood and she simply didn't know how to love.
My mother was like that. Fits of rage out of nowhere. So random. Zero to 100 in an instant. Sometimes you wouldnt even know what set her off. And when she is in that zone Lord the terror. Like a wild animal. Merciless to bitter out cries. Cruel at times. I just never understood that anger. But as i got older i realised she had a deeper pain inside than that she inflicted on us. She needed healing. The best thing i ever learnt is that parents are human too. We expect them to be perfect but we receive them as flawed as everyone else. Acceptance of the revelation that at that time she did the best she could. The best she KNEW HOW. Being a parent doesnt change that.
Same. My mum was an alcoholic and she would suddenly shout at the television actors. I switched it off. Big mistake. I forgive her everything because she was very unhappy and never loved my dad.
I keep seeing comment saying that her two Step kids never experienced the abuse Christina and Christopher had...and I'm sure they didnt..becuz they had some one looking out for them, thier biological mother..Christina and Christopher had no one looking out for them..they were easy pray for a mentally ill person.
Shannon Marie Good point, Shannon. Joan could, and did, abuse the oldest two without any repercussions. How sad for them, and for all abused children, whether natural or adopted. When my kids were younger I kept a sharp eye out for any neighbourhood kids that looked dirty and hungry, and reported my concerns more than once to the local DFAC, Department of Children and Families. I fed many kids over the years and always welcomed my kids friends inside if it was cold and miserable outside.
Also, by the time Joan adopted the last two children, she was more mature and a bit less selfish, so their experience with her was different. That is why they deny that she was abusive.
Shannon Marie.....you are so right, also in those days there was little to no help for foster, adopted,, kids and kids whom were wards of the state......also I do believe the articles I've read about Joan Crawford making a pass at Betty Davis....from all stand points Crawford was "By-sexyal she and Marilyn Monroe was involved in a couple of sexual escapades.
Shannon Marie yup! Plus the younger two are 8 years younger!!! And she was married again when the younger twins 👯 were being raised and he was apparently a nice guy who was nice to the little girls so she was nicer to them too lol
This is my mom!!! 💯 my mom!!!!! Lol for the longest time my brothers always called her mother dearest and she thought it was cuz of this movie hahaha it prob was his reason!!! But man this is crazy!!! So my mom!!!
Who Answers to the victims of child abuse, the statutes of inheritance laws should be for the benefit of all siblings for they have no control over their Destiny as children and no one knows what they endured truly
Bette Davis once said "She has slept with every male star at MGM except Lassie." Classic
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Nowadays, sadly even Lassie would be a potential sex partner for some sick and twisted individual.☹
Should she be shamed for this? Abusing children is what's horrible
Bette was jealous because no one wanted her...hahaha
@@georgiesinclair6951 That might be a good reason
So this is what was on E! before the Kardashians .
Then, nothing to see LOL
Yes and it worked....
LOL
It was actually good back in the day. Mysteries and Scandals and E! true Hollywood story.
Yes, actual entertainment.
“25 films under her shoulder pads” has me SCREAMING 😩😂
Omg same 😂
Me too 🤣🤣🤣
Sis took me out
I came here to say this but knew in my heart it had already been said.
Joan looked like a drag queen.
Anyone that abuses children is evil.
I have never ever hit my only son ,I promised myself if I ever had a child I would never beat or traumatize my child it is Evilll
My Aunt Mary was as much of an alcoholic as Joan Crawford and had good reason to be, She divorced her first husband after he punched their son Al in the mouth when he a baby for crying when he was teething and knocked him across his crib. She had a reputation in the family of being wild and crazy but everybody had a lot of respect for her especially after Al her only child died in Vietnam. She was utterly fearless and tough as nails having been a victim of severe abuse by her grandfather who survived being shot in the head as a police officer but with extreme mental problems and her mother who had eleven kids and no tolerance for the alcoholism and rebellion Mary embodied. A lot of Aunt Mary's nieces and nephews and kids of friends of her including myself were taken care of by her and I don't personally consider her abusive or evil because she spanked my butt once for throwing a tantrum during a snowball fight in her house where I got tossed out a window by somebody into a snowbank, She was funny as hell to live with and taught me to laugh at life's problems instead of crying over them like Christina Crawford did about getting her butt spanked by a woman who made her a rich Hollywood celebrity,
Allegedly!
If you do the research, you will find that Christina made the abuse up...She was mad because Joan left her nothing and the "tell all book" was her way to be compensated because she felt entitled.
Abusive skanky woman. End of story.
Anyone that makes their children call them "Mother Dearest" I have to question them as a mother..
Mommy dearest was what Joan had them call her. Jackie Cooper, a child actor at the time had his mother on set with him. He called his mother Mother Dearest out of love and admiration. A few years later when Joan adopted Christina, this is what she made them call her. She wanted what Jackie Coopers mother had. But she didnt know how to be a mother.
I called my paternal grandmother mother dear, but came out MaDea.
Srsly tho😑😒
@@deborahsanders6762 who told you this?
@@kristopherwilhite2679 common knowledge...Ive heard that too.
To put it plain and simple,these children were nothing more than stage props for Crawford.
Exactly
Well put! lol
In Christina's "Mommie Dearest" she wrote of an incident whereby she ALLEGES Joan Crawford strangled her after she returned home from boarding school for summer vacation in June 1953. When Christina wrote of this allegation, she stated Joan had "a look in her eyes that will never be erased from my memory." After this ALLEGED altercation, Christina was sent immediately back to boarding school.
Christina published "Mommie Dearest" in October 1978. Nearly simultaneously to her writing this FRAUDULENT memoir, Christina was court ordered to be questioned in an UNDER-OATH deposition by Joan Crawford's estate in February 1978.
During her UNDER-OATH, court-ordered deposition, Christina is specifically questioned about this incident, to which she responded:
"I don't know what you are referring to," and continues to evade the questions regarding this incident.
In addition to Christina's complete, on the record, CONTRIDICTION of this event, the EYE-WITNESS to this event came forward in 1981 to confirm Christina LIED in her book.
That EYE-WITNESS is Billie Greene, She was Joan's assistant at the time.
Greene stated in her unpublished interview:
"I believe I'm quoted as saying 'Stop, you'll kill her."...I can tell you that I've never seen any discipline towards Christina or the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night."
(Greene's full interview is in-depth and REVEALING)
**CREDIT to CHRISTINACRAWFORDLIED facebook.**
@@Garsons-oq4lh I knew this couldn't be true, I read the same exact proofs. Some assume that Christina wasn't payed by her mother when she left like Joan Crawford had done for her other two children, however she payed for her institution for university if I'm not mistaken. I believe Christina Crawford wrote all this about her late mother Joan Crawford because she hated the way she was during the feud of Betti Davis and her...that is when she became desperate for the stage and fame. I believe Betti Davis' daughter had similar ideas for the neglect she was given. When things don't add up in a story, they don't add up for a reason.
Christina was a rebellious jealous little B*tch
Back when the E channel had some actual decent content
I used to love the E! channel till the Kardashians got ahold of it.
So true
This and Talk Soup.
The good old days
All lies
@@The_Whimsical_Stenographer until Ryan Seacrest got a hold of it
Narcissists don’t know how to love because they can’t love. Everyone is an object to be used to get whatever it is they want.
That's more or less what co-star Natalie Schafer said about Joan in a few interviews.
pretty sure that's sociopaths
@Moth’s Mummy sociopath's
Moth’s Mummy no, that’s completely true...if you knew anything about narcissism or cluster b personality disorders, you’d know narcs don’t have empathy and can’t love. It stems from abuse/neglect early in childhood.
Here is one definition: Narcissistic personality disorder - one of several types of personality disorders - is a mental condition in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance, a deep need for excessive attention and admiration, troubled relationships, and a lack of empathy for others.
That scene with the wire hangers was such an eye opener. My mom would fly into rages just like this. It makes me turn to ice inside just watching this scene. I believe Christina one hundred percent.
Felicity Ray Self lm sorry you went through that😨
Same happened to me. Couldn't watch that movie.
I believe her too! What the outside world doesn't understand is the emotional, psychological toll it has on kids...
Felicity Ray Self ...I went through the same thing except I got it from both parents. You never knew what you were going to get hit with. My two oldest brothers got the same treatment. May they both Rest In Peace. My older sister was never touched. I also have a younger brother who has and still is the king. He’s 58 and still lives with my 99 yr old father. He’s a druggy and will steel you blind. So many bad memories of my childhood. I’ve been in therapy for 40 years and I just can’t get over it. Hugs to you.
ljude01 The book is more traumatic, I read it after I’d been diagnosed with an eating disorder and my mother had physically abused me to make me eat.
My birth mother had mental illness and abused her first two children. Then went on and had two more. Watching this movie and hearing some of these lines that my mother said and did to us brought flash backs. She was a child abuser. Someone asked me if I ever told my father? I said no. They asked me why, and said I didn't know it was wrong, i thought it was me. Today she would have been jailed. Prayers to all of you who suffered by the hands of such 🙏🙏🙏🕊
I hear ya. My mother is still a bully and a horrible person at 92. She would probably beat on those around her if she could get away with it. Her own sisters can’t stand her. God bless anyone subjected to such a merciless mother.
OMG...! Someone else who endured this same thing, sans the fortune and fame! When the novel "Mommie Dearest" came out, as an avid and voracious reader since the age of 6, I bought a copy as a teenager, and I was reading it one day when my very own mommie dearest came home from work, and SHE WENT OFF!! What really struck me was the fact that I read other novels in front of her, like Valley of the Dolls; no reaction. I read racy Sidney Sheldon novels; no response....ditto for Vincent Bugliosi's Helter Skelter, and again, no reaction from her. Until she saw me reading THIS ONE; I suppose it just hit a little too close to home for her.
I remember reading SO MANY parts of that novel, incidents that were nearly identical to things that my own mother had done to ME and my older half-brother, and I almost came up out of my chair, reeling in this.... fascinated horror, because YES! I could, unfortunately, relate to this same scenario, this same dynamic, the same horrific verbal, emotional, and physical ABUSE!
My dad was no help, so it did no good to say anything to him, either; not that he didn't know about the things she said and did to us, HE DID, but....he had his own issues, and he lived in fear of that evil bitch until the day he died, being the mousy, weak, ineffective father that he was.
I went no contact 18 years ago, and I never looked back, I've never had even one regret about that decision.
I believe you, and I understand. I was in therapy for years over the things I had to endure; I wanted to send her all of the bills, but....my insurance covered all of it, so I never did, but I should have anyway, and returned the money to my insurer. No one else will ever be able to believe or understand something like this when they never lived it.
Sad but true
Joan's upbringing was very bad, but that was no excuse to take it out on Christina and her brother.
Ikr but people seem to throw her under the bus for that book..If she did it outta spite she sure learned manipulations from the people she was around. Sadly she will always be judged because her mom was Joan crawford joan wasnt a saint Seem a publicity queen a movie star and about money money hmmm
That was one of Faye Dunaway's greatest performance. "No more WIRE HANGERSSSSSS".
Gloria Metayer my favorite line “Don’t fuck with me fellas! This ain’t my first time at the rodeo!”
There I fixed it for all you verbatim types 😂🤣
Gloria Metayer to this day, I don’t hang my clothes on them. I return them to the dry cleaners when I pick up my clothes and remove them at home.
I'm an adult now (saw mommie dearest in 1982), and still afraid of using wire hangers!
Actually Faye should have been Nominated for, if not won the Oscar that year. It is an Iconic Performance that is still celebrated to this day. She came in 2nd for the NY Film Critics award for Best Actress and Pauline Kael, film critic for the New Yorker, gave her a rare rave review, calling hers a “ ferocious performance.
Faye Dunaway acting was horrible in that movie. It was way too over the top.
Joan Crawford was lucky to be in a time that mostly Hollywood managed to hide their stars problems.
Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953.
Here is how she describes this incident in her book:
"The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness."
-This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days."
This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation:
"I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal."
-This claim is medically impossible. Brusies to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks.
By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain.
This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation.
In "Survivor" Christina writes:
"In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke"
This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina.
Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980
“I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina."
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Take your meds lol
Her eyebrows made her look intimidating plus they looked like boomerangs sharp enough to cut butter
Kelsey Haight: It's hard to believe that those monster eyebrows were ever fashionable, huh? Joan had very thin contoured eyebrows in her early pics, but they got thicker each year, eventually settling into the fat caterpillars. They look downright comical to me. She was known for her eyebrows & her mouth/lips. Her thick lips were actually an accident. When Joan was young (22-23 yrs old), she had 4 molar teeth removed on each side of her mouth in order to create distinctive cheekbones (a trick she had heard that Marlene Dietrich had done). Her mouth quickly became infected & very swollen... Her mouth was infected for quite a while before the infection was healed. But when her mouth returned to normal, her top lip remained swollen permanently. She used make-up to create a larger bottom lip in order to balance out her mouth area. Joan had recurring dental problems for the remainder of her life due to her early choice of removing molars (receding gums, painful infections, disintegrating jawbones). (BTW, no PROOF has ever been found stating that Marlene Dietrich ever had teeth removed to create that contoured cheekbone look, but that was the Hollywood rumor at the time.)
Maybe the eyebrows hid face lift scars
😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁😁
@@leecooper4213 U SAID FAT CATTERPILLARS......BWAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Kelsey Haight lmao
Ok. I’m so frustrated by people who assume that children adopted by rich famous people are generally better off. As if it’s better to be adopted by the rich than it is to be adopted by the mentally stable. As if there would never be an opportunity for that child to be adopted by people more emotionally stable. As if money heals all wounds. Well, if that’s so, I got got a paper cut at work yesterday, lend me a $20 so I can heal properly.
emayaych well said
emayaych Are you sure people think that? This story has been around for a very long time and changed people’s perceptions quite a bit.. it’s pretty obvious that being rich doesn’t equal kind...
You are so correct. But most will never be smart Enough to see it.
Her twins said they lived an amazing life and loved their mother
Home life can be a betrayal bc the life myself and sister were never hit but emotionally 😩 we were wounded and my young brother never saw a day of it
I totally believe Christina...I was an abused child and her stories ring true, I didn't grow up in a mansion, but not poor.
The Logic of Christina Crawford Believers:
I believe Christina Crawford!
I was abused as a child, and despite that abuse occurring in a totally 'different' household, by totally 'different' people and in a totally 'different' decade, my story PROVES Joan Crawford abused her children!
Joan Crawford's other children(Cathy and Cindy)'s stories DO NOT count! It doesn't matter that they were raised by the 'same' mother, in the 'same' household, and during the 'same' era! I know the truth because I was abused.
**Credit to ChristinaCrawfordLied**
@@Garsons-oq4lh Here's the thing about that. Christina wasn't alone in claiming the abuse was real. Aside from Christopher siding with her in admiting to the abuse, but some people who worked for Joan as well as some of her Hollywood peers and neighbors claimed later on they knew something was going on at the Crawford home. Granted Christina's writing the book after Joan death is sus, but there have been as many people who came forward in support of her as there were who dismissed her claims. Course this was Hollywood during the days of the Studio System. They would literally cover up murders, hit and runs, and rapes to protect their stars. So if Joan really did abuse her kids, it would have been covered up.
@@viceramirez2563 ....definitely 👍....even her secretary confirms it... along with others in the business. Alcohol is an evil thing.....
@@jimbuxton2187 What is the name of the secretary? The one in this Scandals documentary was a failed actress.
@@Garsons-oq4lh 🙄
Faye Dunaway was brilliant in 'Mommy Dearest'!!
Faye Dunaway hated the fact she will be remember as JC in Mommy Dearest.
But it ruined her career.
She deserved an Academy Award
"NO WIRE HANGERS!"
2:13 more than 25 movies under her SHOULDER PADS! OMG! I'm almost in tears! Now THAT was just funny! 😂🤣😂
You must be 80 yr old 🤦♂️🙄
She had some type of mental illness, my mom suffered from something similar. She could be so angry out of nowhere for no reason that life from young was constantly dodging mine fields. Got hit with hangers, wooden spoons, but her favorite was the pitta she made-12 belts attached to one handle. Sad what drives people. Is it mental illness, a hard life? I don’t know. My mom constantly took her frustration out on me.
Never hit my own kids-can’t imagine hurting them. So don’t think because a parent is screwed up the kids will be too.
Had the same kind of mom Stacy, well step-mom. I never had kids.
Stacy Steele my mum would get angry out of nowhere. She’d even start crying out of no where but she never once hit me. EVER. We were in Africa btw where all kinds of abuse are welcomed but she never was mean to me
Jesus, I am so sorry. Sounds like bipolar or borderline.
@@anitataylor4287 same, my mother, father and eleven years older brother, all severely abusive
Stacy Steele she was also an alcoholic
I still watch Joan Crawford. I’ve been watching her since I was very young with my mother. I love her extraordinary talent.
There’s a whole lot of people who claim they witnessed this and did nothing…
Her close friend even admits that she abused her children and is smiling while talking about it and didn’t claim to even attempt to do anything about it. Really sad and honestly just as bad as abusing children.
I feel sorry for the whole family she obviously wasn't loved as a child she cared more about the beautiful dresses than the beautiful spirits of the children she paid to raise!!!
Back when E! was watchable!!!
Yes, I liked the biographies of the stars.
In that “at home with Joan Crawford” you can hear them call her Mother dearest or mommy dearest... so creepy!
The "mommie dearest" was part of the script of the Show in which she was the author and director!
No she really made them call her that
Cute doggy pin!!!!
Amazing how the word "narcissist" isn't heard in this documentary.
June Allyson wrote in her autobiography what she witnessed at the Crawford home between Joan and Christina and it corroborated Christina's story. I believe June Allyson. She had absolutely nothing to gain by lying.
Joan's twin daughters tried to call Christina and Christopher liars; saying Joan was so good to them.
June lost custody of her daughters as an alcoholic. A mother should not criticize another when it is just as bad. Joan was sick, June was not. The truth is the truth.
@@11rokerito june had every right to criticize Joan and speak out about what she saw. Losing her children made her even more of an authority of what a bad parent is. And alcoholism IS a disease.
@lurch321 thanks to Christina's spitefulness, always having to have the last word, propaganda etc. She was 4 or 5 years older and it was easy for her to take him under her wing and teach him all the other-brainwashing. WheneverJoan was trying to correct Christina, Christina
with spit out the words sarcastically and defiantly "yes Mommy dearest!!!😜😠😜😠😈👿🔥 The child from hell?!! How would you deal with a smirking child who must always have the last word?😯😮🤔
@@CharlieChilders-wm9gb um, and who raised that child? A child doesn't owe you love or gratitude. YOU owe your child the world. That's your job as a parent. Annnnnd in addition, you dimwitted weirdo, JC is the one who has purported that she insisted on them calling her Mother Dearest or Mommy Dearest. Lol they didn't make it up for her themselves.
I relate in many ways because my mother treated me the same way. Took all her frustrations and anger on me ever since I could remember. So sad how ppl have kids, adopt or any other way and treat them like garbage and damage them for life, mentally.
Joan Crawford didn;t love those kids and they knew it.
She always claimed that the kids didn't love her. She said it was as if they couldn't stand the sound of her voice. Maybe she imagined it. But she could sense it I guess.
So abusive ho bag😠sorry to her kids 😰
Pauline Jordan in Mommy Dearest you can kind of see Christina was over her. She was very defiant. But I believe Joan never felt loved by anyone.
Too bad DCFS didn't discover Joanne and had her prosecuted!!!!! Too bad sime cop didn't give her the combination of the George Floyd and Rodney King treatment combined!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@@albertcarello5489 There wasn't a DCFS at the time...kids had to fend for themselves until child protective agencies came in to being during the next decade.
I wish this series would come back. I haven’t watched this channel since in years.
It's time for EVERYONE to stop glossing over the fact that Christopher may have been sold or stolen. We need to find out where he came from. People NEED to be held accountable.
Does Christopher want you in his business? How arrogant of you to think you know what's best for him.
@@deaconsmom2000 Christopher died in 2006.
He knew. He was in the army
@Max! Max! 😳😂🤣🤣🤣
I read the book when I was 15 and my heart froze like ice.
I felt, reading about those poor children, that I, too, could run, but not hide.
That B lied. She was after money
Yup! Christina did it 4 money! Joan left her out the will & shorty been hateful ever since
@@erickanew thank u!
God Bless Christina and her brother. Joan was a grotesque woman.
She may have sold her soul to be a famous movie star she was definitely corrupt I don't care how abused you are as the child you get no pleasure from hurting others unless you love Darkness more than light
That is true. They all sold their souls but anyone who abuses children is evil.
She was a drug addict and alcoholic
Becoming a narcissist was her adaptation to her dysfunctional upbringing as a survival method. I'm not condoning her behavior. The opposite would be a codependent. They are completely opposites of one another and neither one of them is healthy.
The actress for mommy dearest as the mom was a superb actress
Her performance was SPOT-ON! It scared me! The depiction of her OCD when washing her face, the wire hangers, and the comet was telling! The “adoption” was nothing more than a black market baby ring. There’s a movie with Mare Winningham that talks about the woman who would take people’s babies and sell them. That was where Joans kids came from.
The thing that always strikes me when I see old photos of Joan Crawford, is her cold eyes!
The story of "Mommie Dearest" is my late father. Years later I learned that my Mom did not love him but was pressured to marry. We paid for it through PHYSICAL ABUSE
E is classless now. I used to watch that channel often when the content was informative and entertaining.
I love this movie so much because it’s based on a true story
Poor Christina Crawford it's amazing what a good person she came out to be I can tell from her talk shows and what she went through because she had a life of Hell growing up with her mother Joan Crawford and she raised kids herself and was a good mother and a good person Christina was nothing like her mother it's a miracle she came out to be a great person like she is
If by good person you mean someone who has more holes in her story than a Swiss cheese factory... Her alleged sob story as a meal ticket because she has no talent and nothing else to offer at all. She's not an abuse victim. She's just a professional victim. So long as there's a check involved.
@@cafeAmericano A professional whiner here. A talentless youtube commenter, the usual thinking they're better.
Christina a liar, mad about that will..Joan ain't owe her ish
@@cafeAmericano thank u! Shorty want money & banking off Joan's name
Christina's accusations are as ludicrous as pigs flying sure there are multiple people who corroborate her statements but there are just as much people who don't not to mention she finished the book just after her mother's death is very suspicious if you ask me and on top of that her mother refused to give a part of her will because of the book serves as a nice plausible motive if you ask me Christina has no evidence outside of a book and a questionable documentary to prove her outrageous accusations. Christina is about as believable as Amber Heard's testimony against Johnny Depp. I'd give her accusations a 7/10 a plausible accusation but one so full of holes even an archaeologist can't dig it all up and find anything accurate so until more evidence comes to light Christina can't be possibly believed Joan is innocent till proven guilty and I stand by that fact about justice and I will fight till the end to keep that fact in short I have very high doubts on Christina's accusations against her mother sorry for the long comment.
When you see Joan interviews, especially the later colour ones, she has less warmth behind her eyes than a dead mackerel on ice at Zabars.
LOL right?
Just like my mother. The scowl is frightening. The coldness is terrifying.
The video is definitely wrong about her career declining after 'Mildred Pierce' (1945), for which she won an Oscar. She was very successful and popular again well into the early and mid 1950's. She re-invented herself and made a huge comeback with Mildred Pierce. Her movies were huge hits like 'Humoresque' and 'Possessed' which raked in millions for her. She outlasted most of the big stars from the 1930's who were never heard from again.
Thanks for correcting this!
Of course you did because she slept with everybody in Hollywood
An amazing actress with a very sordid past.
Still legendary after all these years. I haven't seen any other film like it.. My 10yr daughter had to hide a little during the wire coat hanger scene. Mommy dearest who grew to be one narcissistic, passive aggressive, single, independent mother also struggling with her own alchol addiction, too rich for any social workers to come investigate. It also shoes a women who goes through aging and insecurity. Her sword cuts both ways. 🗡
I remember when I was about 5 years old I saw her on TV in a movie called "I Saw What You Did ". I didn't know who she was or what the movie was called until years later, but I remember her shrieking and clawing and slapping her way through out the film, first abusing her husband and then a group of teenage girls who were just out pulling a harmless prank. She scared the hell out of me back then.
I completely believe Christina. It all makes sense about the reason why she adopted those kids. It's completely a stunt so she can get more attention and fame. It's really so sad to do all that to an innocent child.
Most people adopt because they want what they want. Adoption should be about giving a loving home to a child who has none. I would have preferred to have been aborted. I can accept I am a survivor, at the moment. All of my problems aren't due to being adopted but it sure as hell contributed and formed me into the person I am!!!
If the little girl who threw me away didn't want me I wish she would have had enough money for an abortion......I never would have known the difference. I will use my experiences to be there for other people who have none because I still have no family!
Awww T. J. That breaks my heart to hear. You seem like a person God wanted here... He's got a purpose for you....there are a lot of people looking for a family...i pray you all find each other. ❤
T.J. Bless you for finding a way to use your bad experiences to put some good out in the world. My biological parents kept me, but due to their abuse and neglect, and a sibling I haven't spoken to in about 20 yrs., I spend a lot of days feeling like I have no family. I'm always reminded of what author Dr. Wayne Dyer used to say about family - that friends are God's way of apologizing for family. I'm sure a lot of people feel that way. Thank god there are ways we can create our own loving families.
So...that...all the celebrities adopting children such as Angelina Jolly & more...
I don't believe Christina and I will tell you why.
Christina wasn't Joan's first adopted child. The first child was a boy that she named Christopher. Shortly after that adoption, the birth parents wanted the baby back and winning a court case against Joan. Joan was extremely heart broken. She later adopted Christina, then later Joan adopted a boy and was also named Christopher. Her reasoning for naming the boy Christopher, was because she truly and still loved her first adopted child.. Joan had fears after adopting both Christina and Christopher (second boy) that the same thing would happen where the birth parents would take them away. So to believe Joan only adopted for publicity, I don't buy. She later adopted twins.
Christina wasn't an angel. Joan may have disciplined her children that is not acceptable by today's standards, but it was acceptable back then. In fact, it was acceptable before Joan adopted children to the 1980s. Christina was a spoiled brat and felt entitlement. Joan provided for her children a great deal. She sent them to truly good schools (which were mostly boarding schools), fine clothing, fine eating, etc.. And just to add, celebrities commonly sent their kids to boarding schools, because as stated, they were truly good schools. Hilton sisters, Kardashian kids, and the likes all went to boarding schools, as well.
Christopher was also not an angel either. When he didn't get his way, he would run away from home and committing crimes along the way.
Christina wrote the scathing book to spite Joan for being left out of Joan's will. Christina needed money. She did go into acting for a while, but people that she worked with found her to possess a Diva personality. She would demand the biggest dressing rooms, for instance. She also pulled the "I am Joan Crawford's daughter" card when she didn't get her wishes. She was so difficult to work with that no one would hire her as an actor.
Christina's first husband also claimed that Christina was demanding and vindictive.
And I know some celebrities have claimed to have witnessed Joan abusing her children, but no one seems to ask them why they didn't say anything to the authorities. Because they never did anything when they felt the children were being overly disciplined, has me convinced those celebrities, like Christina, they had an ax to grin with Joan. Joan's secretary for nearly 50 years named Betty Barker stated that Joan was strict with her children, but they were never abused to the extent of which both book and movie depicted Joan as being. Hollywood news story writer Liz Smith stated in one of her articles "I was inclined to believe Joan was misguided in her attempts to 'mold' her children-and was vain and self-absorbed like most great stars-but the stories of beatings and near-madness were over the top.".
Christina did mocked the so-called abuse on a show in the 80s. She made fun of the so-called wire hanger alleged incident, which I found very troubling. If one suffers from any form of extreme abuse, one does NOT feel the desire to mock it. Simply for the fact it was a dramatic event and should never be made fun of.
The point of my winded reply, is hopefully encourage you to do more research and not rely solely on Christina's book. When I first saw the movie back when it came out, I bought the book and read it. I truly believed at the time Christina was telling the truth. I later decided to research Christina Crawford and Christopher Crawford. It was then when I started to see a more clearer picture of who Christina is. This is why I'll never believe Christina. Remember, she only decided to write the scathing book AFTER Joan had passed and Christina finding out her and Christopher were left out of the will. The twins were in the will, but not Christina and Christopher. I will add that both Christina and Christopher contested the will and won in court and was awarded money from Joan's estate. Another sign of entitlement by those two. Another sign of going against Joan's wishes.
Christina and Christopher are not the innocent victims of extreme child abuse and Joan was not the monster they both made her out to be.
Joan was a monster but also an excellent Actress, can't take that away. Love her movies
Also a good business women
@@bunnypoop4508 Yesss! That she was!! And you know what...I don't think that she was monster after watching more docs and reading up more on Mrs. Crawford...can't go by what ppl say abt a person who is not here to defend themselves 😊 RIP to Mrs. Joan!!! Still enjoy watching her movies 💕💕💕
@@mssweetjamesjones83 Hollywood was a very tough and curl business and she was up against a lot of odds. So I understand her attitude
@@bunnypoop4508 You're absolutely right!
@@mssweetjamesjones83 people conveniently forget how sexist and misogynistic Hollywood was back in the day. It was way worst then today
Those who call out Christina a liar over the alleged abuse need their heads examined. An old friend of mine suffered similar emotional and physical abuse at the hands of her (slightly overweight) narcissistic mother who envied her own daughter's model-perfect looks and body. Regularly shaming my friend, calling her horrible things that I became witness far too often, like attacking and blaming my friend for any stupid thing, and 'chasing around' etc. Thankfully my friend's dad figured out what was going on and switched shifts so that he was HOME after 330pm, and the abuse stopped. But I will NEVER forget what I witnessed. Joan being a celebrity and alcoholic NEVER excused her terrible behavior.
Far as looks, Joan was attractive, but no "beauty" compared to her rivals Davis, Harlow, and Francis. Such truth eats away at a screen diva, and got the worst of her.
That chick lied. All kinds of people that were around never saw this. They said she was a spoiled brat
@@erickanew I hate that you'd say that. Why would she lie on her own mother? Joan was manipulative and a famous Hollywood star. Of course these people said she didn't. You can still admire a movie star and admit their wrongdoing.
@@miwfreak4312 a lot of people said she lied. She did it to make money and was upset with her mother because she didn't leave her anything. She wasn't even around her mother most of her childhood because she was in boarding school. She's awful for lying like that
@@erickanew if you weren't there you don't actually know I think that Joan Crawford was great from what I know of her but I don't know her private life. I just saw if you watched this you did to another person who said that she saw some abuse
@@coryburns9161 I saw a special on it. They found all kinds of holes in this lady's story. She just got really angry that Joan didn't leave her any money. Idk I guess most people would be ticked if they had a rich parent that didn't leave them a dime. I always hate things that tell a really bad story on someone that's dead. They have no way to defend themselves
I miss that show.aj benzi looks great today..I miss great tv of yesteryear
I believe Christina. Joan definitely has that crazy narcissistic vibe about her. It's sad she couldn't get help.
Bette said Joan should have raised puppies
No, she COULD get help. She just didn't want it, it seems.
Could never do this to a child, especially my own
Christina was her mother's scapegoat. I know how that feels
Unfortunately so do I.
Same.
@Christine Mills Fear of her mothers wrath. Think about it!!!!!!!!
@Christine Mills So easy to say anything when you are not the one being abused by your parents.
@Christine Mills Christina had every right to be afraid of her. Joan had a lot of connections, it wouldn't be hard to ruin Christina's life with them. Or it could simply be she was terrified, which is viable. It may not make sense, but when you gi through the things she did, you are so afraid to do or say anything. My abuser was behind bars and I was still terrified. Years of abuse causes extreme paranoia that I truly hope you never have to understand.
Sending prayers for all her beloved family and friends 🙏🙏🌹🌹
I miss this show.
Can we talk about how the re-enactment Joan looks so much like her
I love Joan Crawford, a great actress, loved her fans, and was always grateful to them, Joan always looked elegant, but I don't think she would have been an easy mother to have, but you know on screen she was pure magic!!!!! 🐩🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
no
Personally, I think the only real reason they "don't make them like that anymore" is simply due to the demise- for better and worse- of Hollywood's old Studio system, which demanded the creation of "Stars" and guaranteed actors under studio contract a set number of movies before contract's expiration.
I saw in another documentary that the secretary said that Christina lied but she wasn't on camera saying it. I believe Christina bc people dont want to believe bad things about people on camera.
what documentary?
Christina Crawford claims in "Mommie Dearest" that she was strangled by Joan Crawford in the summer of 1953.
Here is how she describes this incident in her book:
"The choking pain of her fingers around my throat met the thudding ache of the blow to the back of my head. She banged my head on the floor, tightening her grip around my throat....I gasped for air and felt myself sinking into unconsciousness as I tried desperately to fight back....If something or someone didn’t help me very soon I was going to die. I tried with the last bit of my strength to struggle free of those choking fingers and managed to wedge one of my knees between her body and mine and push upward on her ribs with my hands which loosened her grip slightly. It at least allowed a trickle of air down my throat and kept me from losing consciousness."
-This type of physical attack would, no doubt, leave bruises to the neck and throat. However, according to Christina, she had no bruises to the neck or throat, and the bruises she claims to have received to the face were greatly diminished within "a few days."
This is what Christina Crawford said regarding her "injuries" after this alleged strangulation:
"I had one black eye and a cut on my upper lip that was swollen and covered with dried blood. My whole face was sort of puffy and I had a perfect handprint bruised across one cheek....A few days later I was on my way back to the Chadwick’s house...I still had vestiges of the black eye but the rest of my face had returned pretty much to normal."
-This claim is medically impossible. Bruises to the face take at least a minimum of 1 to 2 weeks to fade. Perhaps this was a quick rationale by Christina in her book to account for no one seeing these "injuries" after she returned to Chadwicks.
By 1988. Christina Crawford claimed in her book "Survivor" that the stroke she suffered in late 1981 was the result of this "strangulation." Christina claimed the strangulation caused an embolism (a blood clot) that blocked the flow of blood to her brain, and this embolism had lied dormant for over 28 years (1953 - 1981) without causing issue before it dislodged and flowed to her brain.
This claim, in and of itself, is medically improbably, if not impossible. However, the impossibility is further enhanced when considering that Christina did not even have bruising to her throat from this alleged strangulation.
In "Survivor" Christina writes:
"In the hospital the doctors questioned me as thoroughly as they could about possible causes of my stroke. They were interested in what might have been a source of original damage to the left carotid artery in my neck since I had no history of high blood pressure or high cholesterol. They asked me about a car accident or a neck injury. I had experienced none. The only incident I could think of was a violent argument my mother and I had when I was thirteen years old. She had been drinking at the time and flew into a rage. I recalled this incident in the book Mommie Dearest, not knowing at the time I wrote about it that I would later have a stroke"
This outrageous allegation is further debunked by a 1978 sworn deposition, whereby Christina DENIES knowledge of this incident. Along with a 1980 interview with the secretary (Billie Greene) who was an eye witness the evening Christina claimed this strangulation took place. Greene refuted the claim that Joan strangled or choked Christina.
Billie Greene -Former secretary to Joan Crawford-unpublished interview 1980
“I believe I am quoted [in Christina’s book regarding the LIE that is the strangling incident] to have said something like, “Stop, you’ll kill her.” There was a point where they were having an argument. What precipitated it was possibly one of many misunderstandings. Or where Christina had lied to Joan, and the hostility was getting greater. Joan came towards her and gave her a good swat, and hit her towards the neck area. I remember at one point taking Joan’s arm when it was in midair and saying, “I want you to stop. You’re going to hurt her.” This was not for Christina’s sake. This was for Joan’s sake. No one wants to see anyone out of control. I can tell you that I’d never seen any discipline towards Christina or towards the other children that I would call out of control. There was not brutality that night. Possibly there was rage. I can’t conceive of the distortion, unless Christina had a deep-seated plan, a vendetta that was present even when she was 14. Christina lied often for absolutely no reason. [The book] was a pack of lies that made your hair stand on end. I have utter contempt for Christina."
**ChristinaCrawfordLied**
Christina seems very credible. I read the book and I have the movie. I believe her. Joan reminds me very much of my mom. It's just sad all the way around. I believe that Joan was extremely narcissistic.
Crawford is sadly in hell. Satan controls Hollywood. I'm a forner atheist
Levi's Mommy i mean she was a drunk.... could she be an abusive drunk?
The D=Savage Athiest, May I ask what changed your mind?
nia sara, Maybe or she could have been bipolar.
What I appreciate is that Christina’s expose comes from a kind, compassionate place
Damn the shade is real with this guy 😂😂 what Joan ever do to him 😂😂
Fr 😂
She blew her way to the top
Love the ''tongue in cheek'' decadence of M&S's.
I love 'Mommy Dearest', makes more sense of my own horrible childhood!
Similar, my grandfather was the serial abuser to me sexually, but I'm a wife mother aunt and now grandmother, but I swear I'd never take it out on everything and everybody, especially kids, poor Christina and Christopher didn't deserve this treatment. My sympathy goes out to all victims of any violent or any kind of sexual abuse no matter how old they are. My father got the physical abuse been around 15 16, but hell he fought back
My grandfather never did that again!@
Man I miss this show!
She adopted Christina from a place in TN. I wonder if it was Georgia Tann, the Tennessee Children's home. I saw that Christina was the only kid she actually adopted. She bought the others from Georgia Tann who stole up to 5000 kids.
Joan Crawford is the best thing that happened to Christina Crawford.. she spent her life tearing down Joan’s legacy…
Wow...she was crazy...
I used to love this show! ♥️
She didn't care about anyone but herself. She had no right to adopt those children.
Considering the absolutely appalling childhood Jan Crawford endured, from an abusive mother to losing her virginity at 11 with her step-father, is it REALLY that hard to believe she was abusive to her first two adopted children?
Samantha Divis no it isn't because during this time. Joan's career was kind of getting lost so she had her moments and that was it but other than that I truly believe that she did love her children
Samantha Divis it’s actually not very hard to believe most people Who are abusers were abused in their childhood it’s a cycle repeats The very sad part is that there were paparazzi , Reporters and people who worked for her was. Have come out and said yeah I saw her abusing her kids and drinking all the time. did nothing to help Those two kids and Joan Crawford. Which was very common for the time
Joan Crawford had difficulty adopting via normal routes because she was considered an unacceptable parental candidate and was rejected. She had to find more unconventional ways to adopt where adoption laws were more lax. Or as Christina said, she didn't adopt children, she bought them. Christina also says they could never find any adoption papers for her brother.
Actually, if Joan Crawford's childhood was that terrible, inflicting it on her own children isn't surprising. And learn to spell. It's Joan, not Jan.
Having a poor childhood doesn’t excuse her behaviour towards those two poor children! My childhood was difficult at times (psychological abuse), yet my children will NEVER experience hurt and upset like I did!
Wow Joan Crawford is my great grandma's generation
Ryan Seacrest killed E!
Yep!!
Back when E! was truly entertaining.
When Bette Davis was nominated for best actress for Whatever Happened To Baby Jane, Joan Crawford contacted the other nominees and offered to accept the award for them if they won. Anne Bancroft wound up winning and when Joan Crawford went up to the podium to accept the award Bette Davis was beyond furious
And Joan is supposed to have prevented Bette from winning is that it? There is no proof Joan had anything to do with Bette not winning and noone (except a delusional Bette and at the expense of Bancroft) has come foward to proclaim so.
Joan Crawford was a monster. I believe Christina. And thanks to Mommie Dearest the whole world knows the truth about Joan Crawford.
Definitely a star long before my time but I never would've guessed how sick she was.
There’s a special place in hell for child abusers
joan crawford was rejected by betty davis according to betty davis when interviewed on a tv show.
Anyone who drinks around kids, is bitter and had a career that is over would be hell to live with. Let's be honest,... she was a monster.
Thats a really judgemental comment. Btw im not a monster. And im tired of being put in that category because of my choices
ER K drinking and being bitter around your children? Lol it’s not up to us judge, but just wait till your kids grow up
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim No @ER K should quit drinking, if not for his/herself, then at least for the children. Children don't deserve to grow up with alcoholic parents, especially not parents that drink in their presence.
@@DellaStreet123 that was exactly my point. Little children can’t express themselves, but once they grow up the parents will see how much damage their “harmless drinking” has done
@@PutinsMommyNeverHuggedHim I'm glad we agree. By the way, I'm under the impression that when people bark "Don't judge", they know they are in the wrong.
There's music in the background when they're talking about her making a pass at Bette Davis. They used this music on Harvey birdman as the theme music
Betty really did kick Joan in the head while filming What Ever Happened To Baby Jane.
OMG!! Christina came from the Tennessee childrens home!!! WAS SHE one of the STOLEN???? There is a scandel!!!
Abby It was the twins who came from TN
Abby Rose I believe the kids Joan adopted were black market
yes the place where she got the babies from , they stolen ALL the babies thats how she was able to get the babies
The 'Twins', not Christina. She was Georgia Tann. Mary Tyler Moore portrayed her in a movie. She was some piece of work, that Georgia. www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-1131282/The-Hollywood-Baby-Snatcher-The-sinister-story-woman-stole-children-sold-stars.html
Jaymes Guy Georgia Tann Gave her all her kids look up georgia tann and it would tell u i study women serial killers and georgia tann was one of them the movie only shows christina and her brother but in real life georgia tann gave her all her kids , and all the kids that georgia tann had at her adoption agency was stolen look it up
Why can’t E do stories like this? I loved the way they take you step by step instead of 10-20 second takes
This show was soooo good! I miss it 😢
She was a hard looking woman
I thought she was beautiful in her younger years.
@BarbaraTurner what does that mean?
Meade Vlog channel what does that mean?
Many female child abusers take in this look. My mother has it. I wish I could share a photo for case study purposes.
@Meade Vlog channel
The scowl around the eyes and the void in the eyes itself,too.
People have so much sympathy for Christina Crawford, but none for Joan who was sexually abused as a child, whose father left her and whose mother didn't want her. I'm not condoning the alleged child abuse, but no one is born evil. Joan Crawford had an appalling childhood and she simply didn't know how to love.
Uuum Joan was something else
She was a goddess!
Loved this show
If she would've ended up the daughter of a farmer, who knows she might've grown up without being abused
That ended abruptly. This series usually wraps up its stories with a bit more closure than this one provides.
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My mother was like that. Fits of rage out of nowhere. So random. Zero to 100 in an instant. Sometimes you wouldnt even know what set her off. And when she is in that zone Lord the terror. Like a wild animal. Merciless to bitter out cries. Cruel at times. I just never understood that anger. But as i got older i realised she had a deeper pain inside than that she inflicted on us. She needed healing. The best thing i ever learnt is that parents are human too. We expect them to be perfect but we receive them as flawed as everyone else. Acceptance of the revelation that at that time she did the best she could. The best she KNEW HOW. Being a parent doesnt change that.
Same. My mum was an alcoholic and she would suddenly shout at the television actors.
I switched it off. Big mistake.
I forgive her everything because she was very unhappy and never loved my dad.
I keep seeing comment saying that her two Step kids never experienced the abuse Christina and Christopher had...and I'm sure they didnt..becuz they had some one looking out for them, thier biological mother..Christina and Christopher had no one looking out for them..they were easy pray for a mentally ill person.
Shannon Marie
Good point, Shannon. Joan could, and did, abuse the oldest two without any repercussions. How sad for them, and for all abused children, whether natural or adopted. When my kids were younger I kept a sharp eye out for any neighbourhood kids that looked dirty and hungry, and reported my concerns more than once to the local DFAC, Department of Children and Families. I fed many kids over the years and always welcomed my kids friends inside if it was cold and miserable outside.
Also, by the time Joan adopted the last two children, she was more mature and a bit less selfish, so their experience with her was different. That is why they deny that she was abusive.
Shannon Marie.....you are so right, also in those days there was little to no help for foster, adopted,, kids and kids whom were wards of the state......also I do believe the articles I've read about Joan Crawford making a pass at Betty Davis....from all stand points Crawford was "By-sexyal she and Marilyn Monroe was involved in a couple of sexual escapades.
Shannon Marie well they weren't really adopted, she bought them from brokers
Shannon Marie yup! Plus the younger two are 8 years younger!!! And she was married again when the younger twins 👯 were being raised and he was apparently a nice guy who was nice to the little girls so she was nicer to them too lol
This is my mom!!! 💯 my mom!!!!! Lol for the longest time my brothers always called her mother dearest and she thought it was cuz of this movie hahaha it prob was his reason!!! But man this is crazy!!! So my mom!!!
Those kids were nothing more than props
she is wonderful, she was wonderful. period.
My mother and her could have been twins same age too.
Who Answers to the victims of child abuse, the statutes of inheritance laws should be for the benefit of all siblings for they have no control over their Destiny as children and no one knows what they endured truly
Yes Mildred Pierce was her movie and she was great in Johnny Guitar with Mercedes McCambridge
Films that come out after a person dies NEVER sit right with me. These people can't defend themselves. Ijs
Man i was just playin LA Noire. Then I opened youtube and got all these classic hollywood scandals on recommendation. Wtf yt