Even listening to this audio on studio-quality headphones and nearfields, it doesn’t do justice to the difference between the XR IR’s and comparable traditional IR’s - even the Ownhammer Rock Box sounds beam-y and narrow in comparison. And TwoNotes and Celestion dynamic IR’s are now officially outdated compared to XR’s. Bravo guys, don’t know how you did it but these finally unlocked my in-the-box digital sounds and made them actually fun to play.
@@Tone_Factor I know you’re not going to give away proprietary information, but I’m struggling to figure out how you did this. The XRIR’s make all my other IR’s sound like am radios, but it can’t be just good eq’ing. You don’t mention any similarities to TwoNotes or Celestion dynamic IR technology yet there must be some dynamic component, yet there can’t be because they’re straight wav files. These also beat the UA Ox sounds handily.
Thank you for working so hard to produce a sound that can be matched with a real amp. Even though it's not 100%, I can't tell a difference... This saves my back and a ton of weight to carrying my rig around. Thank you so much for the countless hours I bet it took to make these.
Just bought these and I have to say that these are the best sounding IR’s I’ve tried The feel on these are amazing. Props to the amazing work and thank you!
These are pretty amazing. I thought my stock Cab setting was good, but oh my! Question, was is your favorite mic setting or blend included in the pack (Chimera)?
The A/B test sounded so close I don't think the common person in the crowd would be able to discern any difference in the mix. Well done. I'll have to pick some of these up.
I upgraded to 2.0 on the ACS1 and could not believe how much better it sounds. That inspired me to try the Benson Chimera 2x12 Pack and it is just fantastic, of course I haven't tried all the combinations but I haven't found one that I don't like. Most likely I will be purchasing some more packs.
Ok, I’ll be honest. I’ve always thought IRs were stupid and thought, “why would anyone use IRs? The stock cabs are just fine, no one can tell a difference”. I have a QC and have been happy with the stock cabs. However I saw everyone raving about these XR IRs, so I thought I’d finally give it a try. It’s not a life-changing difference, but it’s pretty close to being that. It made my QC come alive in a way I didn’t know it needed. Best IRs I’ve tried hands down!
Great job on these guys. I’m amazed at how much grit and character they add whereas my others sound much soother and small in comparison. These sound huge! Definitely looking forward to those 4x12’s.
The XR Collection is definitely better, however I will say that I did think that the Helix Stock Cabs sounded way better than the QC Stock Cabs. I run a massive board with the Helix floor as the brains of the entire rig and I do run IR's because they definitely still make a massive difference. I'll be checking out some of these XR IR's for sure!
Just. bought the AC30 2x12 Blue and loaded into my Iridium. Sounds way better than the stock IRs but still on the fence if its better than York Audio's 2x12 Blue. So far the York Audio still wins...Let's see how it goes after a few gigs
That's amazing guys! Thank you for you effort during these years to make our tones better! Thank you Chris for a clear clarification as well! You guys rock! 🤘🏾
I am doing a livestream of a few ambient guitar things just for me and your IRs really made a huge difference to my clean sounds. I bought the Orange and Marshall IRs to test, but even with only the starter selection this makes a huge difference to my clean sounds after only the five minutes I am playing with them right now. I will surely test in other settings, but this is great, Thanks! I will definitely want more.
Are you planning to add Matchless DC-30 to XR IR Collection or should I buy the existing Tone Match preset? Honestly I would prefere to potentially wait and get my hands on the new Irs cause they sound AWSOME! Let me know please, cheers!
Playing through in ears on a no-noise stage setup has been inspiring again with these IRs. Feel so real and somehow captures the feeling of an amp being next to you. Really really love these!
Thanks for all the hard work you guys have put in! Even this video alone must've taken so long. Really appreciate your time and effort. These new IRs sound great. I'm definitely going to try straight swapping the tone match IRs on my hx stomp to them!
Thanks Jesse! Yes, it took a lot of time but totally worth it to properly show off these new XR IRs (which we spent wayyyy more time working on developing).
I got the greenbacks, pretty happy I was able to remove the cab block from my stomp and go back to Iridium IR. Tested last night at mid week service and it was a success
I feel like the quad cortex standard cab is better. It sounds more like a close capture cab where as the xr sounds more like what your ear hears in a room. For my taste I feel the standard cabs would fit better in most mixes with the bass where as the xr sounds like I would be removing most of those boomy lows that guitarists like to hear but producers like to remove.
100%. It sounds like a lot of post processing going on with these so called XR IRs (potentially EQ, compression, exciters to add harmonics). Some of the IR offerings account for this exact issue and the those IRs sound thin in isolation. For instance Two Notes IRs. But they work sit very well in the mix, and you do not have to put a low filter to your guitar in the console.
Are you planning to update your Artist Presets (specifically the DH ones) with XR IRs in the near future? Just don't want to double-buy the IRs and presets if they're going to be added in a future version of the Artist Presets. Also can't wait for the DC-30 ones!
All future presets of ours will be built off of our new XR IRs and we will also be replacing any previous TF tone matched presets with new XR IR versions that will be redialed to the new XR IRs and sold as new presets. That’s a big workload so will take some time…it could be months before we get down that road as we are focusing on continuing to build out our XR IR Collection while we are on and off the road on tours for the rest of the year.
I finally sat down today and tried out the IR’s and at first I panicked cause I didn’t like the 57 mic at all with my rig and my stock IR I’ve been using sounded better no matter what. Then I remembered wait there’s more mics and the Soyez blew me away. Worth every penny. 😂
Thank, guys! Just watched the video and can’t wait to try them on my podgo. What a truly exhaustive dedication to a labor of love on your behalf! Must have been tough… Thanks again!
These sound great! I just bought 3 of the kits --> 71 MARSH G12M GREENBACK 4x12A - XR -- '66 PRINCETON REVERB 1x10 - XR IR PACK and '66 DELUXE REVERB 1x12 - XR IR PACK - can't wait to give 'em a go! Nice work guys.
What’s best practice for choosing Amp models to suit the IRs? Eg. What amp to choose for the Benson Chimera on a QC (which doesn’t have a Benson model)
Are there any samples we can download to test them side by side? I would love to hear the single Greenback 3 IR you are using as a demo. Videos sound phenomenal, I would like to listen to them on this side.
I definitely noticed a slight difference when comparing the XR IR to the real amp, with the IR sounded cleaner and more focused and the amp having more air to it and more variation (maybe harmonics) based on pick attack. What would you guys recommend for getting an amp in the room feel? I’m currently using the Line 6 power cab on the flat setting and pretty happy with it so far…
A very subtle room reverb. Even compression does it. When I used the Strymon Iridium the room knob made all the difference in realistic amp feel and fake.
I have an idea for you two. An IR is essentially just a hyper detailed EQ curve that represents a mic in front of a speaker. Could you create your own IR of a speaker that doesn't actually exist but that represents what you think the perfect speaker would sound like? So instead of copying a celestion, you could create a real Tone Factor Speaker IR that represents what you two experts think is the ideal speaker for P&W.
Thanks for the feedback! I don't think there is necessarily "ideal" speaker for P&W... it really just depends on what sort of vibe and tone you are going for which varies from person to person. But it's funny you mention that - we have plans to do a lot of experimental IRs down the road... that is all Ill say for now. That should be fun!
@@Tone_Factor can't wait to hear what you guys come up with! I just figure in the digital world of IRs it shouldn't be necessary to be constrained by the capabilities and sounds of analog gear. Even if things didn't sound that different, I'd be more inclined to buy a unique IR created by the minds of two of my favorite worship guitarists over buying my thousandth blue or greenback IR. Tho i do also plan to buy your new blue and greenback IRs lol.
Hey! I’m a Kemper user and I’m wondering if there’s a point in using IRs on Kemper? Will it actually make such a huge difference as on other devices? Right now I’m using almost only Kenyon’s JMI profiles, would you recommend some specific IRs to add to these profiles? Thank you!
Shower thoughts: Would it be possible to find the exact eq curve of a microphone, and apply the inverse of that curve to the IR file to essentially eliminate the mic flavor and get the sound of just the speaker?
In theory yes, or you can find a pretty flat condenser mic to do your recordings to eliminate classic mic characteristic (eq) as much as possible (It won't be supper flat but you can live with it). Some mic manufacturers provide the frequency response of their mics on the internet which you can use to put an EQ to do micro adjustments to make it flatter. Remember those measurements are from 1m distance at a certain db. However, there are a lot of other parameters in place such as the room that your amp is in. So hearing just the cab is not what you want, it is the sound in that room that you are after, and that requires some experiments and different mic set-up and capturing techniques.
Yes! All of our new helix presets will be built off of our XR IRs since they are a big step up from tone matched IRs. We will likely be rebuilding and redialing our currently released presets using these new XR IRs since they sound so much better. Because of the massive amount of time that will take and for the fact that they include new IRs, they will be entirely new versions for sale. As always, if any of our current presets break or need a correction to function and sound as initially designed, those will always be free updates.
I use the pre-tone factor DH bethel patch for 90% of what I play - is it worth switching out the IRs for these new ones and would I need to do anything else to reconfigure my patches??
You should be able to throw them in and tweak! Might have to raise the top end on your EQ blocks since the actual harmonics are replacing that harsh fizzy sound in modelers that we all know and hate 🤣 it’s been a while since I’ve owned a helix so I haven’t ran that patch in a while. Best of luck, hope this helps!
These are killer. Im now very curious to hear how these stack up against the new ua ox pedal. Seems like they are both really high quality and authentic feeling.
25 min I hear the xr and hear a sound I can shape with a few eq cuts like a real cab. But the modellers I feel I’ll need to boost things a lot to get it to where it needs to be. Really cool guys going to give a few a go
Right on! Be sure to check out the Call with Chris in this video where he points out some of those similar problems with modelers and other IRs. Cheers ⚡️
Sorry for noob question, I’ve only had a Kemper and never messed with IRs…. I’m thinking about buying a fractal and I would for sure buy your XR IRs. I mainly like two rock/dumble tones, but I notice you don’t have any XR IRs for dumbles. Do I just buy a few IRs and hope they sound okay with the fractal dumble amp model? Is it okay to mix and match different amp\cab combinations?
wow its crazy I ran it through some math rock mixes I did last month the space they create is so 3d, and you can really push the eq on these too. Great work gentlemen
Let’s go 🔥Thanks for the feedback and in checking them out! 🫡 If you haven’t watched the call with Chris in this video, check that out! More great feedback on these XR IRs and IRs in general from an incredible engineer.
I heard it right away for the A/B, bass response is something modeling (for me anyway) still struggles a bit with. I can hear B has a tighter bass response like it gives what you work for. I don't know how to explain it but anyway thanks guys! These IRs truly are amazing. I bought nearly all of them and they saved my QC. Now I am just waiting for a DI amp bundle for the platforms :) Would love to try your own AC30 and Benson with different cabs. Cheers!
Love to hear that! Honestly, running the XR IRs on the QC was the first time we were enjoying the Cortex. We will be experimenting with DI amp captures and running these XR IRs soon as just capting a full amp with the QC didn't sound that great and had all the problems of the stock cabs. The XR IR is the way to go for the QC.
Most likely both! But not sure when I will get to a new preset build. You can absolutely buy a pack and load them in any presets you wish. The beauty of these universal XR IRs is you can buy a pack and use it on ANY platform with ANY amp and ANY amp settings, unlike tone matched IRs that have to be paired with the amp, settings, and platform they were tone matched to to sound correct.
I’ve been really successful running KENYON REED’s signature patch mixed with my own adjustments to maximize the pod go! And loving it. Want to try some of these out but only want to spend 20 right now…. Which one would you suggest??? I’m guessing the JMI 30/6? I have been really successful with snap shot 1 being a huge swell no amp/cab 2 having one perfect thick clean tone Using stomp box mode to turn off effects if not needed 3 more of a edge of breakup for my dryer rhythm tone And 4 big lead tone with all effects in. Is there any specific IR I should try?
Good stuff, guys. Everything sounds great overall. I'm a fan. +2 points to Fractal, though for sounding really good with the stock cab. Could've used a tweak or two but overall, I think Fractal brings the most amp-like tones out of the box compared to these others.
Nice comparison, spite would be nice to even both signals with dB meter to the same level, because yours are all louder than original ones. Else, nice work.
@Tone_Factor When will these XR IR’s be sold within a comprehensive setup? Are you guys looking to integrate these into a new “bethel presets”. I have a helix floor and have the current David Hislop Bethel patch. I know you mentioned that I can plug the new XR IR’s into the old patches but I didn’t know if you guys were planning to integrate and fine tune these into new “full setup” patches like before?
All of our new presets will be built off of these XR IRs since they are such a level up from tone matched and our original DH IRs. Not sure how soon that will happen through - we are going to be working on more XR IR packs (4x12’s, etc).
Looks like the stock cab and your IRs are recorded using different distances from the cone. So even if you shoot both at the cap edge you get a different sound. Have you got any info on this aspect?
Thanks guys. I really appreciated hearing at 1:01:32 the sound of the different cabs and speakers you have in your shop as well. But I also noticed that you have some new ones, like the "'64 SRV VIBROVERB" of which I have no sound samples. This makes it difficult for me to choose which one to buy. Are there sound samples of all of them that I am missing?
Thanks for watching! We recently added that XR IR pack (and others) since this video was made and will continue to add more. We want to have demos of everything but are currently both in tour for the next month or two, but the goal is to have audio demos of all the packs on the product pages 👍🏻
2:15 You can’t “push” an IR, no matter who made it out or how it was made. IRs are simply an impulse response, which is linear *by definition* . What that means is that providing a louder or quieter input to an IR changes nothing except the volume coming out of the IR. Effectively, all an IR is, is a very detailed EQ curve. Any differences you hear from one to the other is simply due to the shape of that curve. This is not my opinion. This is the mathematical reality of what an impulse response is, and how it works.
That's correct, although when we say push, we're not necessarily saying you can push the IR to break up simply by increasing clean dB into it so that it reacts differently outside of the linear capture that it is. But at a minimum with the way we designed it, it is interacting with the drives and boosts we are using pushing in to the *amp* paired with the *XR IRs* to sound and feel like a real amp and speaker would. These XR IRs have given an extremely sweet and convincing result, as the video demonstrates compared to the stock cab IRs that often lack clarity and harmonic detail.
@@KenyonReed2 An IR is an IR. And due to the fixed sample length limitations of the units you’re using these in, it’s not possible to change their frequency resolution (“harmonic detail”). I’m not trying to be a jerk; just trying to cut through the marketing schpeel and call a spade a spade. I’m also not saying they don’t sound good - they might sound great! - but this is being achieved simply by boosting certain frequencies and cutting others within the IR, because that’s all you can actually do with a 2048-sample IR.
@@400_billion_suns We appreciate the classroom definition. From our many, many, hours of real-world experience in engineering and testing IRs that we have either prototyped and shelved or brought to market, there are things outside of the classroom (and forums) to be learned about IR creation and making them sound and feel real🫡 An IR may be an IR, or a Spade a Spade, but not all are created equal and we now have the Ace ♠️
@@400_billion_suns It’s not a marketing tactic. We’re simply showcasing what it [is] doing. In theory, what you’re saying makes sense. But in practice it doesn’t pan out as simply as you’re saying. It actually worked what we did. That’s why we’re stunned by the outcome of these IRs. While I appreciate your attempt to be a realist, it’s simply unbased. I agree with you that they are linear, but there’s more you can do to make an IR feel alive, and we found out how and show that in this video 🤙🏻
Hello TF, i’m an iridium user and mainly using the punch setting. i’ve got a prs se custom 24 with suhr thornbucker. any marshall xr ir would you recommend as well as the position. thank you very much for the help!
Hello. Was there an effort to volume match the examples of the "Stock Cabinets" versus your XR IRs? I have listened on several playback systems, and the XRs were noticeably louder. It did not make for a fair comparison. Thanks!
the new IRs sound amazing!! suppose I have my tone dialled in, and then want to sweeten in further with some EQ in my DAW, can I drop the IR wav file into the DAW, load the EQ and then re-bounce the wav to bake that EQ into the IR, or is that likely to compromise the IR's response?
No harm in trying that, just save both the old/new files in DAW. I like to bake plugins into a new bounce on a track, saves processing power for other tracks
I had the ACS1, but it just didn’t have the gain on tap with the first firmware. Went to the Dream/Ruby combo and now I’m wondering if I should go back and pocket the extra cash by going back to the ACS1 !?
Both the Orange V30 4x12 and Marshall G12T75 are killer! Some of the 2x12s gain handle high gain nicely as shown in the video, but the 4x12s do have that extra 4x12 lowend punch.
I’d like to try a pack, but tough decision which one, I tend to play OwnHammer 4-12” IR I like edge of break up clean to hard rock Ventoux is my go to helix amp To the Friedman or Revv
What speakers do you like? Take a listen here to catch a quick vibe of each of the speakers/cabs we currently offer: 1:00:36. Lots of 4x12's on the way! Subscribe to our site to stay in the loop!
Even listening to this audio on studio-quality headphones and nearfields, it doesn’t do justice to the difference between the XR IR’s and comparable traditional IR’s - even the Ownhammer Rock Box sounds beam-y and narrow in comparison. And TwoNotes and Celestion dynamic IR’s are now officially outdated compared to XR’s. Bravo guys, don’t know how you did it but these finally unlocked my in-the-box digital sounds and made them actually fun to play.
Wow, thanks for the feedback and for checking them out! We are stoked you hear what we hear 🤘🏼
@@Tone_Factor I know you’re not going to give away proprietary information, but I’m struggling to figure out how you did this. The XRIR’s make all my other IR’s sound like am radios, but it can’t be just good eq’ing. You don’t mention any similarities to TwoNotes or Celestion dynamic IR technology yet there must be some dynamic component, yet there can’t be because they’re straight wav files. These also beat the UA Ox sounds handily.
It's honestly insane how amp like those XR IRs sound and feel. So inspiring
Biased 😆
1:01:36 JMI
1:01:47 BLUESBREAKER
1:01:57 PROSONIC
1:02:07 STAPLETON
1:02:19 DLX REVERB
1:02:32 PRINCETON
1:02:43 AC30 AL BLUE
1:02:55 AC30 AL GREENBACK
1:03:04 CHIMERA
Thank you for working so hard to produce a sound that can be matched with a real amp. Even though it's not 100%, I can't tell a difference... This saves my back and a ton of weight to carrying my rig around. Thank you so much for the countless hours I bet it took to make these.
Can’t wait to watch all this! You guys just keep leveling up the industry
Thanks! That is the goal!
Threw these in my iridiums and they've never felt better. Awesome job with these 👏🏻
Thanks Sam - Your video sounded great!
Thanks so much! 🤘🏻
Just bought these and I have to say that these are the best sounding IR’s I’ve tried
The feel on these are amazing.
Props to the amazing work and thank you!
Let's go! Thanks for the support and for checking them out! Tell your friends the good news!📢
These are pretty amazing. I thought my stock Cab setting was good, but oh my! Question, was is your favorite mic setting or blend included in the pack (Chimera)?
The A/B test sounded so close I don't think the common person in the crowd would be able to discern any difference in the mix. Well done. I'll have to pick some of these up.
I upgraded to 2.0 on the ACS1 and could not believe how much better it sounds. That inspired me to try the Benson Chimera 2x12 Pack and it is just fantastic, of course I haven't tried all the combinations but I haven't found one that I don't like. Most likely I will be purchasing some more packs.
Glad you like it!
Ok, I’ll be honest. I’ve always thought IRs were stupid and thought, “why would anyone use IRs? The stock cabs are just fine, no one can tell a difference”. I have a QC and have been happy with the stock cabs. However I saw everyone raving about these XR IRs, so I thought I’d finally give it a try.
It’s not a life-changing difference, but it’s pretty close to being that. It made my QC come alive in a way I didn’t know it needed. Best IRs I’ve tried hands down!
We love to hear that! 🙌Thanks for checking them out and taking the time to give your feedback!
Great job on these guys. I’m amazed at how much grit and character they add whereas my others sound much soother and small in comparison. These sound huge! Definitely looking forward to those 4x12’s.
Yessir! Thanks for the feedback. Epic 4x12s coming soon!
Two 4x12’s are live (and more to come!): www.tonefactor.co/impulse-responses
The XR Collection is definitely better, however I will say that I did think that the Helix Stock Cabs sounded way better than the QC Stock Cabs. I run a massive board with the Helix floor as the brains of the entire rig and I do run IR's because they definitely still make a massive difference. I'll be checking out some of these XR IR's for sure!
Yeah I agree, the Helix stock cab wasn't as bad as the QC stock cab sounded. Which is surprising.
Just. bought the AC30 2x12 Blue and loaded into my Iridium. Sounds way better than the stock IRs but still on the fence if its better than York Audio's 2x12 Blue. So far the York Audio still wins...Let's see how it goes after a few gigs
That's amazing guys! Thank you for you effort during these years to make our tones better! Thank you Chris for a clear clarification as well! You guys rock! 🤘🏾
Cheers!
I'm speechless! What a tone I have now with these XR IR's - awesome job guys!!
Thanks for the feedback and for checking them out! 🫡🔥
Be sure to check out all of the video timestamps in the info section - lots of great stuff in this video and we definitely recommend watching it all!
I am doing a livestream of a few ambient guitar things just for me and your IRs really made a huge difference to my clean sounds. I bought the Orange and Marshall IRs to test, but even with only the starter selection this makes a huge difference to my clean sounds after only the five minutes I am playing with them right now. I will surely test in other settings, but this is great, Thanks! I will definitely want more.
Thanks a ton for checking them out and for the feedback! Glad you dig them!
Sounds cool, but I only want IR's of a Mesa Boogie Traditional cab with V30's. Make that, and you'll get my money.
Are you planning to add Matchless DC-30 to XR IR Collection or should I buy the existing Tone Match preset? Honestly I would prefere to potentially wait and get my hands on the new Irs cause they sound AWSOME! Let me know please, cheers!
We will definitely be doing a DC30 XR IR Pack at some point!
Playing through in ears on a no-noise stage setup has been inspiring again with these IRs. Feel so real and somehow captures the feeling of an amp being next to you. Really really love these!
Thanks for the feedback! We are stoked you dig them!
Thanks for all the hard work you guys have put in! Even this video alone must've taken so long. Really appreciate your time and effort. These new IRs sound great. I'm definitely going to try straight swapping the tone match IRs on my hx stomp to them!
Thanks Jesse! Yes, it took a lot of time but totally worth it to properly show off these new XR IRs (which we spent wayyyy more time working on developing).
Guys these sound unreal. Congrats on a job well done! Please do a Matchless 2x12 pack and I'll be the first to buy it 🙌🏼
Thanks! In the cue, stay tuned!
@@Tone_Factor yesss can't wait! Just picked up a bunch of existing packs in the meantime. Oh, and a 5e3 Tweed Deluxe pack would be incredible as well!
@@micahjones3562also in the cue! We have a ‘59 5E3
Game changer!
I got the greenbacks, pretty happy I was able to remove the cab block from my stomp and go back to Iridium IR. Tested last night at mid week service and it was a success
Thanks for checking them out!
I feel like the quad cortex standard cab is better. It sounds more like a close capture cab where as the xr sounds more like what your ear hears in a room. For my taste I feel the standard cabs would fit better in most mixes with the bass where as the xr sounds like I would be removing most of those boomy lows that guitarists like to hear but producers like to remove.
100%. It sounds like a lot of post processing going on with these so called XR IRs (potentially EQ, compression, exciters to add harmonics). Some of the IR offerings account for this exact issue and the those IRs sound thin in isolation. For instance Two Notes IRs. But they work sit very well in the mix, and you do not have to put a low filter to your guitar in the console.
On the shootout, I noticed ever so slightly, a bit more clarity in the low end. But the fact you guys got it THAT CLOSE, is insane.
Purchased the jbl e 130 used the vibrato verb on the fractal nailed Stevie’s early tone it’s so close it’s scary they sound so real!!!! Amazing !
Are you planning to update your Artist Presets (specifically the DH ones) with XR IRs in the near future? Just don't want to double-buy the IRs and presets if they're going to be added in a future version of the Artist Presets. Also can't wait for the DC-30 ones!
All future presets of ours will be built off of our new XR IRs and we will also be replacing any previous TF tone matched presets with new XR IR versions that will be redialed to the new XR IRs and sold as new presets. That’s a big workload so will take some time…it could be months before we get down that road as we are focusing on continuing to build out our XR IR Collection while we are on and off the road on tours for the rest of the year.
I finally sat down today and tried out the IR’s and at first I panicked cause I didn’t like the 57 mic at all with my rig and my stock IR I’ve been using sounded better no matter what. Then I remembered wait there’s more mics and the Soyez blew me away. Worth every penny. 😂
The 017 Tube is an excellent mic! Thanks for checking out the XR IRs - glad you dig them!
I want to try these ir s in the old Studio Devil Amp modeler pro VST for fun ! ❤
Thank, guys! Just watched the video and can’t wait to try them on my podgo. What a truly exhaustive dedication to a labor of love on your behalf! Must have been tough… Thanks again!
Thanks for watching! Yes, lots of work but also lots of fun!
These sound great! I just bought 3 of the kits --> 71 MARSH G12M GREENBACK 4x12A - XR -- '66 PRINCETON REVERB 1x10 - XR IR PACK and '66 DELUXE REVERB 1x12 - XR IR PACK - can't wait to give 'em a go! Nice work guys.
Thanks for checking them out 👊🏻
What’s best practice for choosing Amp models to suit the IRs?
Eg. What amp to choose for the Benson Chimera on a QC (which doesn’t have a Benson model)
How do you think these hold up to your ToneX captures?
Are there any samples we can download to test them side by side? I would love to hear the single Greenback 3 IR you are using as a demo. Videos sound phenomenal, I would like to listen to them on this side.
Any reason that you didn't compare with the Kemper? Not mad, just curious
Great question! To be honest, this video just took a ton of time to make and we ran out of time to film it.
I definitely noticed a slight difference when comparing the XR IR to the real amp, with the IR sounded cleaner and more focused and the amp having more air to it and more variation (maybe harmonics) based on pick attack. What would you guys recommend for getting an amp in the room feel? I’m currently using the Line 6 power cab on the flat setting and pretty happy with it so far…
A very subtle room reverb. Even compression does it. When I used the Strymon Iridium the room knob made all the difference in realistic amp feel and fake.
I'm excited to try this. The thing Chris said about the B3 really makes sense
I have an idea for you two. An IR is essentially just a hyper detailed EQ curve that represents a mic in front of a speaker. Could you create your own IR of a speaker that doesn't actually exist but that represents what you think the perfect speaker would sound like? So instead of copying a celestion, you could create a real Tone Factor Speaker IR that represents what you two experts think is the ideal speaker for P&W.
Thanks for the feedback! I don't think there is necessarily "ideal" speaker for P&W... it really just depends on what sort of vibe and tone you are going for which varies from person to person. But it's funny you mention that - we have plans to do a lot of experimental IRs down the road... that is all Ill say for now. That should be fun!
@@Tone_Factor can't wait to hear what you guys come up with! I just figure in the digital world of IRs it shouldn't be necessary to be constrained by the capabilities and sounds of analog gear. Even if things didn't sound that different, I'd be more inclined to buy a unique IR created by the minds of two of my favorite worship guitarists over buying my thousandth blue or greenback IR. Tho i do also plan to buy your new blue and greenback IRs lol.
I’ve always felt this, modellers lack the low end ‘air’ coming from the amp- you guys have managed to capture that beautifully. Bravo lads.
I literally cannot believe your IRs could get better! Unbelievable job guys
Thanks! We are here to keep pushing the digital world of guitar tone forward ⚡
Hey! I’m a Kemper user and I’m wondering if there’s a point in using IRs on Kemper? Will it actually make such a huge difference as on other devices?
Right now I’m using almost only Kenyon’s JMI profiles, would you recommend some specific IRs to add to these profiles? Thank you!
Not gunna lie, those IRs sound crazy amazing!
Hearing is believing
I love the faces when the first comparison starts hahaha. That difference is insane
It's hard not to react lol
I primarily used Matchless, Plexi and Princeton amps on the Helix….Which XR IR would pair best with these?? Please suggest.
Excellent content! Looking forward to adding these IR's to my collection.
Thanks for watching!
Such an amazing tone! Checking your thoughts on how it will sound if used on a line 6 powercab and/or mission engineering’s gemini?
Hey guys, love the greenback packs! Will there be any Jensen or Oxford packs in the future for Fender Blonde era enthusiasts?
Absolutely! Lots in the works from our collection.
Would it be like new Fractal DYNACAB??
Shower thoughts: Would it be possible to find the exact eq curve of a microphone, and apply the inverse of that curve to the IR file to essentially eliminate the mic flavor and get the sound of just the speaker?
In theory yes, or you can find a pretty flat condenser mic to do your recordings to eliminate classic mic characteristic (eq) as much as possible (It won't be supper flat but you can live with it). Some mic manufacturers provide the frequency response of their mics on the internet which you can use to put an EQ to do micro adjustments to make it flatter. Remember those measurements are from 1m distance at a certain db. However, there are a lot of other parameters in place such as the room that your amp is in. So hearing just the cab is not what you want, it is the sound in that room that you are after, and that requires some experiments and different mic set-up and capturing techniques.
Will the Helix presets be getting updates with these new IRs?
Yes! All of our new helix presets will be built off of our XR IRs since they are a big step up from tone matched IRs. We will likely be rebuilding and redialing our currently released presets using these new XR IRs since they sound so much better. Because of the massive amount of time that will take and for the fact that they include new IRs, they will be entirely new versions for sale. As always, if any of our current presets break or need a correction to function and sound as initially designed, those will always be free updates.
@@Tone_FactorYes I was wondering if you’ll update the old Bethel Preset for the Helix with these new IRs!
@@BlackWolfTribesame!
I use the pre-tone factor DH bethel patch for 90% of what I play - is it worth switching out the IRs for these new ones and would I need to do anything else to reconfigure my patches??
You should be able to throw them in and tweak! Might have to raise the top end on your EQ blocks since the actual harmonics are replacing that harsh fizzy sound in modelers that we all know and hate 🤣 it’s been a while since I’ve owned a helix so I haven’t ran that patch in a while. Best of luck, hope this helps!
Sounds great guys! Need one for the DC30!
On the to-do list!
Are these better than the dyna cabs with fractal stuff?
Sounds great! I really want to try out the Greenback XR IRs with my Matchless preset on Helix
These are killer. Im now very curious to hear how these stack up against the new ua ox pedal. Seems like they are both really high quality and authentic feeling.
25 min I hear the xr and hear a sound I can shape with a few eq cuts like a real cab. But the modellers I feel I’ll need to boost things a lot to get it to where it needs to be. Really cool guys going to give a few a go
Right on! Be sure to check out the Call with Chris in this video where he points out some of those similar problems with modelers and other IRs. Cheers ⚡️
Sorry for noob question, I’ve only had a Kemper and never messed with IRs…. I’m thinking about buying a fractal and I would for sure buy your XR IRs. I mainly like two rock/dumble tones, but I notice you don’t have any XR IRs for dumbles. Do I just buy a few IRs and hope they sound okay with the fractal dumble amp model? Is it okay to mix and match different amp\cab combinations?
wow its crazy I ran it through some math rock mixes I did last month the space they create is so 3d, and you can really push the eq on these too. Great work gentlemen
Let’s go 🔥Thanks for the feedback and in checking them out! 🫡 If you haven’t watched the call with Chris in this video, check that out! More great feedback on these XR IRs and IRs in general from an incredible engineer.
I heard it right away for the A/B, bass response is something modeling (for me anyway) still struggles a bit with. I can hear B has a tighter bass response like it gives what you work for. I don't know how to explain it but anyway thanks guys! These IRs truly are amazing. I bought nearly all of them and they saved my QC. Now I am just waiting for a DI amp bundle for the platforms :) Would love to try your own AC30 and Benson with different cabs. Cheers!
Love to hear that! Honestly, running the XR IRs on the QC was the first time we were enjoying the Cortex. We will be experimenting with DI amp captures and running these XR IRs soon as just capting a full amp with the QC didn't sound that great and had all the problems of the stock cabs. The XR IR is the way to go for the QC.
@@Tone_Factor Do all the IRs work on the QC? I noticed on your site there aren't any IRs explicitly listed under the QC page.
Sounds fantastic! Hope to see the QC IRs on cloud soon!
Excellent work! Planning to pick up a few of these. Are you guys also planning to add any 4x12 cabs and/or more aggressive speakers like the v30?
Thanks! Absolutely! Lots of 4x12’s in the cue coming soon!
Two 4x12 packs are live - V30 included! (more to come!): www.tonefactor.co/impulse-responses
Raising the bar again. Well done guys!
🏋️♂️
9:10 I noticed this same thing with neural’s plugins where the fidelity overall is low quality. These XR IRs sound sweet!
WHICH LOADER WAS COMPARED TO REAL AMP?
Will you be doing a new full Bethel board preset with some of these new XR IRs? Or can we just plug them into it as updated IRs?
Most likely both! But not sure when I will get to a new preset build. You can absolutely buy a pack and load them in any presets you wish. The beauty of these universal XR IRs is you can buy a pack and use it on ANY platform with ANY amp and ANY amp settings, unlike tone matched IRs that have to be paired with the amp, settings, and platform they were tone matched to to sound correct.
Just bought the ac30 GB XR IR, the clarity is incredible! 🔥 Unfortunately the QC doesn’t have a chimera model yet 😞
Big big thank you for the the amazing microphone selection! R121 and M160 are essential for guitars, and the newer Soyuz is just a beast!
Yessir! Glad you dig it!
what modeler were you using while demoing the IRs?
I’ve been really successful running KENYON REED’s signature patch mixed with my own adjustments to maximize the pod go! And loving it. Want to try some of these out but only want to spend 20 right now…. Which one would you suggest???
I’m guessing the JMI 30/6?
I have been really successful with snap shot 1 being a huge swell no amp/cab
2 having one perfect thick clean tone
Using stomp box mode to turn off effects if not needed
3 more of a edge of breakup for my dryer rhythm tone
And 4 big lead tone with all effects in.
Is there any specific IR I should try?
The JMI 30/6 XR IR pack would definitely be the recommended choice for that since that preset is already dialed around that amp and Kenyon's tone!
Have y’all looked into the UA Ruby? I like the pedal and just wonder if that’s a possibility in the future
The real Tone Factor.
Guys this is amazing thank so much for this! Can we get 2x12 Vintage 30 with 57 ! Pleaseeeeeeeeeeee!!!!!🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 WHEN!!!????
Stay tuned!
Good stuff, guys. Everything sounds great overall. I'm a fan.
+2 points to Fractal, though for sounding really good with the stock cab. Could've used a tweak or two but overall, I think Fractal brings the most amp-like tones out of the box compared to these others.
Fractal is by far the best one I've used, and it's not even close
@@JGorg8and also is it very good low end and punchy?
Nice comparison, spite would be nice to even both signals with dB meter to the same level, because yours are all louder than original ones. Else, nice work.
Are guitars used when creating IR's? Or maybe I should ask, What signal is sent though the original speaker to create the "impluse" response?
@Tone_Factor When will these XR IR’s be sold within a comprehensive setup? Are you guys looking to integrate these into a new “bethel presets”. I have a helix floor and have the current David Hislop Bethel patch. I know you mentioned that I can plug the new XR IR’s into the old patches but I didn’t know if you guys were planning to integrate and fine tune these into new “full setup” patches like before?
All of our new presets will be built off of these XR IRs since they are such a level up from tone matched and our original DH IRs. Not sure how soon that will happen through - we are going to be working on more XR IR packs (4x12’s, etc).
Looks like the stock cab and your IRs are recorded using different distances from the cone. So even if you shoot both at the cap edge you get a different sound.
Have you got any info on this aspect?
Really excited to try these
We are exited for you to try them too!
Wish you guys have more demoes with your new XR IR packs. I wanna hear the comparisons from real amp to XR IR.
We do that in this video: 35:47 - Real Amp Shootout: Rundown
@@Tone_Factor Oh I meant with the new releases or the other amps of your XR IRs. Like the 66 Deluxe Reverb. Would love to hear demos to each IR.
Do you guys offer any cleaner sounding amps for a more 80s tone or the 1975 tone like a JC or the cleaner side of a morgan?
Thanks guys. I really appreciated hearing at 1:01:32 the sound of the different cabs and speakers you have in your shop as well. But I also noticed that you have some new ones, like the "'64 SRV VIBROVERB" of which I have no sound samples. This makes it difficult for me to choose which one to buy. Are there sound samples of all of them that I am missing?
Thanks for watching!
We recently added that XR IR pack (and others) since this video was made and will continue to add more. We want to have demos of everything but are currently both in tour for the next month or two, but the goal is to have audio demos of all the packs on the product pages 👍🏻
Amazing work you guys are doing with these new XR IRs! How do they compare to Tone Factor's tone matched IRs?
Thanks! The are a big step up from our previously released tone-matched IRs. Check out the comparison in the video here: 1:19:57
2:15 You can’t “push” an IR, no matter who made it out or how it was made. IRs are simply an impulse response, which is linear *by definition* . What that means is that providing a louder or quieter input to an IR changes nothing except the volume coming out of the IR.
Effectively, all an IR is, is a very detailed EQ curve. Any differences you hear from one to the other is simply due to the shape of that curve.
This is not my opinion. This is the mathematical reality of what an impulse response is, and how it works.
That's correct, although when we say push, we're not necessarily saying you can push the IR to break up simply by increasing clean dB into it so that it reacts differently outside of the linear capture that it is. But at a minimum with the way we designed it, it is interacting with the drives and boosts we are using pushing in to the *amp* paired with the *XR IRs* to sound and feel like a real amp and speaker would. These XR IRs have given an extremely sweet and convincing result, as the video demonstrates compared to the stock cab IRs that often lack clarity and harmonic detail.
@@KenyonReed2 An IR is an IR. And due to the fixed sample length limitations of the units you’re using these in, it’s not possible to change their frequency resolution (“harmonic detail”). I’m not trying to be a jerk; just trying to cut through the marketing schpeel and call a spade a spade. I’m also not saying they don’t sound good - they might sound great! - but this is being achieved simply by boosting certain frequencies and cutting others within the IR, because that’s all you can actually do with a 2048-sample IR.
@@400_billion_suns We appreciate the classroom definition. From our many, many, hours of real-world experience in engineering and testing IRs that we have either prototyped and shelved or brought to market, there are things outside of the classroom (and forums) to be learned about IR creation and making them sound and feel real🫡 An IR may be an IR, or a Spade a Spade, but not all are created equal and we now have the Ace ♠️
@@400_billion_suns It’s not a marketing tactic. We’re simply showcasing what it [is] doing. In theory, what you’re saying makes sense. But in practice it doesn’t pan out as simply as you’re saying. It actually worked what we did. That’s why we’re stunned by the outcome of these IRs. While I appreciate your attempt to be a realist, it’s simply unbased.
I agree with you that they are linear, but there’s more you can do to make an IR feel alive, and we found out how and show that in this video 🤙🏻
Would you say these IR’s combined with say, a Fractal amp model, sounds and feels better than the best Kemper/QC/ToneX full rig capture?
I guess at the end of the day, you can mess with your sound till there's no difference, or you could just play the guitar and get good. Or both?:)
Are you guys going to come out with matchless dc30 irs?
At some point!
Hello TF, i’m an iridium user and mainly using the punch setting. i’ve got a prs se custom 24 with suhr thornbucker. any marshall xr ir would you recommend as well as the position. thank you very much for the help!
Hello. Was there an effort to volume match the examples of the "Stock Cabinets" versus your XR IRs? I have listened on several playback systems, and the XRs were noticeably louder. It did not make for a fair comparison. Thanks!
the new IRs sound amazing!! suppose I have my tone dialled in, and then want to sweeten in further with some EQ in my DAW, can I drop the IR wav file into the DAW, load the EQ and then re-bounce the wav to bake that EQ into the IR, or is that likely to compromise the IR's response?
No harm in trying that, just save both the old/new files in DAW. I like to bake plugins into a new bounce on a track, saves processing power for other tracks
I had the ACS1, but it just didn’t have the gain on tap with the first firmware. Went to the Dream/Ruby combo and now I’m wondering if I should go back and pocket the extra cash by going back to the ACS1 !?
I'd like to nominate the Eminence DV-77 to yalls next round of batches 😊
can u guys do a high gain one with ur high gain impulses
Sounds awesome!😉👍bit off topic but are the pick ups in the jazz master stock?
Thanks for watching! Those pickups are Fralin Modern PAFs!
trying to decide which ones to buy. what do you guys like best for high gain modern metal, crunch tones, and cleans?
Both the Orange V30 4x12 and Marshall G12T75 are killer! Some of the 2x12s gain handle high gain nicely as shown in the video, but the 4x12s do have that extra 4x12 lowend punch.
if i were to use two amps on the helix instead of one like you guys did, what would that do?
Post a demo of your Fender IRs with clean and edge of breakup.
If you were going to recommend a Quad cortex model to use w the Benson IR, what would you recommend?
I’d like to try a pack, but tough decision which one, I tend to play OwnHammer 4-12” IR
I like edge of break up clean to hard rock
Ventoux is my go to helix amp
To the Friedman or Revv
What speakers do you like? Take a listen here to catch a quick vibe of each of the speakers/cabs we currently offer: 1:00:36. Lots of 4x12's on the way! Subscribe to our site to stay in the loop!
I have the ACS1. So that mean the update includes the XR IR?