Yes, indeed. Hit me like a ton of bricks. David Choe does a great job of expressing a very complex emotion / situation better than I ever heard before. That's a keeper.
@ramisrunning nothing wrong with it. I just feel like those people are off happier in life. Wonder how a life would be not having to deal with the intense and deep spectrum internally in mental health.
You have no idea of the pain that you would cause. You don't even have the ability to imagine it. I hope that you don't have kids, and if you do, I hope that they're enough of a reason for you to stick around, because I know they'd feel the same way if they knew what you're going through.
@@cam_-fn6cxI think he does. Just because he doesn’t experience it himself, Joe is very empathetic and has lost friends, including Bordain. He’s an advocate for men’s mental health I believe.
This hits hard. One of my best friends took his life about 8 months after losing both his parents to a car accident. I remember him reaching out to me and telling me how miserable he was, and that there was nothing left in the world for him. He’d tell me time in time again that he didn’t want to live anymore. I tried so hard to keep from doing anything to harm himself. I cried for days, and it still bothers me to this day.
I lost one of my best mates October last year killerninja I know what your going threw bro everytime you think of messaging them you remember you can't it takes time especially with suicide look after yourself bro hope all is well.
@@GAMER96252 What frustrates me is their is people who have covid or cancer who are fighting just to stay alive. And then people just kill themselves willy nilly,
I really hope you don't blame yourself at all, you did all you could do and were a true friend to him, it was his choice ultimately, I'm really sorry that happened.
He’s being real. men have emotions other than apathy and anger. There’s a huge range of emotions that men don’t show, so when they do, I support it 100%
I don’t feel grief for famous people when they die, but when Anthony died and especially the way he left actually made me really sad. Never felt that for a famous person, his passing was different. RIP to the ambassador of the world, Anthony Bourdain.
It is weird most popular celebrities I do not care for whatsoever but when I saw Anthony for a school project that they showed me I instantly thought he was different and I am still not sure why. It is really sad that he took his life I don't know much about him but then when I first saw him I didn't know he killed himself for a while.
100% same here. Whenever a famous person died, it's shocking but I never even feel sad. But when Anthony died, I re-watch a video of him eating with president Obama in my home country of Vietnam and i just weep...
Who ever is reading, I really needed this clip. I’ve been feeling suicidal the past couple months. I’m a social worker who helps people that are in crisis. They come to me for help. When David said something like “You killed somebody, yourself, when you’re helping so many others around you, you killed yourself.” My purpose is to help people who need my services. I cannot die. This clip gave me a lot of clarity.
It’s because when one grows up in an area where life isn’t all roses, humans begin to see what life really is like, which can lease people to either be real genuine and empathetic individuals or just the opposite - a person who lets hate and depression caused by their experiences take over them until it’s too late
chima chibi exactly my point, society and media are 2 of the biggest pressures disjointing our natural human way of being empathetic, patient and loving individuals.
Not in an evil way but it truly did feel refreshing seing another full grown man just break out into tears over a friend passing. This is going to help lots of young men
Huh? Why do you think you would need to say or convey that (not in an evil way...)? Your comment after that cannot in any way be misconstrued as "evil". That's a weird thing to say before CLEARLY stating a completely empathetic comment.
@@jonathan_huerta Are you a goofball or what? I referenced a mans sadness and said it brought me joy. Pretty clear why I would clarify that I meant no harm. You need to get outside more bud. Get it together. Figure it out.
@@jakebiggers9700 You clearly don't even understand what Jonathan was saying then... he wasn't saying I "went too far" but quite the opposite actually. He was saying that I didn't need to clarify that I wasn't being empathetic. You're obviously a 7 year old
Grown ass 39 year old man here... I just broke out in tears. But not for longer than 30 seconds. This exact experience just taught me about how unacceptable it is for adult men like me to feel things in the society we live.
just be the example of not giving a fuck how the society thinks about it and just cry until there is nothing left to cry on. It's the best thing you can do for yourself in that moment and to an extend, the best for your close network of people.
I cried openly in front of my buddies entire extended family (Irish catholic/ tough),at the dinner after his funeral and they looked at me with a mixture of confusion and shock. It’s sad that people thinks it’s strong to bury emotion
Twin brother went out to suicide over 20 years ago. Seems the only way to get past that stuff is to just not think about it anymore and move on with other parts of life that are positive... really no other way
I've not given much thought to what my sibling will go through when I go, but we're not very close and he lives oceans away. Were you close with your brother? Sorry for your loss.
Keep fucking holding on. Dont let go. I lost my brother to suicide too, I was his last call. I brought me to a dark place I didn't know existed. But that was 11 years ago now. Hang on I promise it doesn't get better but it gets easier.
Chris Cornell as well..he had everything. Smart, good looks, talented musician and singer, loving family, and a dream job. Looking back a lot of his lyrics foreshadowed depression & suicide. It's troubling that he had that in the back of his mind when he was young man and into his 50s. It never went away. Made me kind of lose hope knowing that darkness will always be there.
I was a dishwasher at Broken Spanish in Downtown L.A when Mr. Bourdain came to eat . I remember him coming to the kitchen and thanking not only thanking the chef but the whole kitchen brigade including myself . He shook all our hands and said “Thank you for a delicious meal’.He was a kind and humble person who genuinely cared for everyone. RIP Anthony Bourdain 😭
He knew what it was to be a part of the team, he was there once, that's where he started, and he was humble enough to know, recognize it and apreciate everyone in that spot.
I work in the restaurant industry and Bourdain is regarded as a god. He worked long, hard hours in shitty conditions to get to where he got. And the restaurant industry still mourns his passing. He was kind, he worked fucking hard and played hard. Truly an inspiration.
That's funny I had a different memory of the guy. I saw Anthony at a grocery store in Los Angeles maybe in....2014 I wanna say? I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying. The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter. When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
I suffer from severe PTSD and Severe anxiety and depression. I take 4 different meds everyday to keep it in check( for the most part). I been to 3 different rehabs from addiction to help dull the things that trigger me. If you know someone and they ever talk of suicide or let you know they are having a tough time. Please take is seriously. And try to help any way you can. Even if it is out of your way to do it. You can save someone from their selves. And even if it doesn't work at least you can always know you tried. These illnesses are invisible and are very diseiving.
My life story. People ask me for advice but when I need to get myself going I give myself not so good advice or maybe I just don't listen to myself enough.
@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 Ditto, Ive saved like a 1000 lives atleast, but i get sad every now and then and im like wtf. Im a life saviour just like jesus or god, but i cant make my self happy.
Mental health in men is real and its a major issue that we need to be talking about. It's not just military and I'm a Vet and went through all the tough times. Get help guys. Talk to someone. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
We're often our own worst enemies. And trust me, we don't need more enemies. It's just frustrating to see so many men struggle in today's society, and then you see people like Andrew Taint saying shit like "depression isn't real, just go work hard and buy a Bugatti" and so many young men see that and go "OMG YESSSSS THATS THE ANSWER! SIGMA MALE GRINDSET!!!!"
@MrOshea81 yeah I had similar thoughts when I was low. Talk to someone about it. There are some apps that I used. They help with anxiety and depression. They have chat rooms where you can talk to people in similar situations. Try and replace negative thoughts with positive actions. I started getting houseplants. Or like an aquarium. Terrarium. Something to help focus on besides bad thoughts.
Oh my god.........his emotional reaction Gripped my soul so hard. I had to take a moment and reset myself as well. We all have special lived ones who no longer are with us and we will never get over it. We can only hope to be able to live with it.. God bless
The girl that I loved, committed sui*ide the night before I wanted to tell her how much I love her, I was so nervous that I couldn't sleep all night, then in morning to school, I saw people mourning. I haven't recovered from this, I don't know if I ever will, she was so perfect, so beautiful, so caring. I wanted to cry so bad but my tears won't come out.
I don't know what else to say other than I'm so sorry for what you've gone through and are currently going through. Wishing you nothing but peace of mind and healing🌻
strenght and compassion to your path where ever it takes. I know why tears don't fall. Because there are other strong states of the mind that require dealing with also: high disbelief/ symptoms of leaving the body(high stress symptom),anger and other strong things like grudge against something. Many things can block access to relief. I wish you luck on finding the path to ease the pain of many things.
Hearing the hurt in his voice and his genuine pain of losing someone who he loved truly hurts because I lost someone who I really loved as a brother and it haunts me to this day. The things Joe said about the what if’s are honestly the hardest thing to deal with on the day to day. Guys, it’s okay to ask for help. Ask for what you need. And if you don’t know what you need, please ask for what you think you need and go from there. The world needs you.
I sat in a prison cell and went all around the world with Anthony Bourdain. He took me away when I needed it, most. Now Im free and I got a passport and I take him with me. Never knew him but none the less miss him. Was the coolest dude!
This is what I like about podcasts. There's no fancy editing or turning the camera away. When there's an emotional moment, you see it, raw and unfiltered. And it's a beautiful thing.
I don’t think so, he’s angry at him for making him sad. He then went on to blame society for not teaching how to ask for and receive help. This guy is a mental child, with great capacity, with no coping mechanism. Always looking for external fixes. Nothing else can fix you, but yourself with some guidance and possibly medication.
Adam Niswonger there’s something that people don’t realize. With the over saturation of social media and the validation that people seek through all these avenues (FB, IG,TikTok, Snap, etc.) that they no longer can exist in the “REAL” world. They exist in the world they’ve created and find there isn’t anything satisfying outside of it. A lot of what’s going on in this country is because people FEEL their perception has value. When they find out that it’s their own view but not everyone values it, they lose their minds, get offended, go for their pound of flesh, etc. Realizing your on THAT island and then trying to escape is extremely hard. You’ve essentially marooned yourself and facing up to that is almost too much to handle. Whether it’s fame, work, attention, etc.
E A totally agreed. I work in healthcare and can echo that “Finally” thought Choe touched on. When you make that connection for people it’s almost visible when they feel someone listening to them. People can say they’ll be there for you but you can’t be inside their own heads. When people lose that, that’s when the darkness comes for them. I believe Bourdain finally succumbed to it in a moment of weakness and based on the anger in Choe, he’s most likely seen it firsthand. Mental health is super important, but is so undervalued by society.
He is sober and just broke out in tears like that, I don’t think any human other than the ones who have experienced this feeling themselves will be able to understand his pain.
I started crying as soon as he did. I cant say that I have anything bad going on in my life, got a wife, a daughter, a good job. And yet, I still feel this awful black hole in me. I've come to believe that, there's gotta be something wrong with my head, or maybe some of us just aren't meant to be alive. It just hurts so much.
@@TheDeatharcana i dont mean to over sympathize but i feel exactly what you are saying. I dont think having kids or a partner or even any wealth or material determines if it is how you feel. I believe it is how we all live among eachother so selfishly, wreckless, and irresponsible and some of us can not operate like this without overwhelming stress. Especially knowing that there is a way we can all live together in prosperity having righteous and beneficial interactions every time we come across one another. Yet, here we are stuck and confused just sitting ducks making no attempt at reshaping our reality for the righteous prosperity of all life. I also couldn't help but break down as David Choe started to cry...other times when i have a break down it sounds real similar to Choe with the slight yell in frustration i gotta assume some of us are truly feeling the same.
@@TheDeatharcana I’ve never heard anyone else say that before but that’s how I feel too like some of us just aren’t meant to be alive, stay strong though brother sit through the bad times and live for the good times
This is why I will always have immense gratitude for the way my Dad raised us. He was really good at understanding how to teach his kids on how to deal with issues of the mind. He understood when it was the right time to have certain conversations and gave us to tools to overcome those problems. RIP Pops love you always!!!
His death really hit me hard. This man was 44 years old, dunking fries for like $120 a paycheck, behind on rent, IRS on his ass, a drug addict, and found a way. And to find out through all his perseverance and success that he was still miserable was just absolutely heartbreaking.
@@leonardplanckiii998 dude don’t spread that conspiracy bullshit, he’s fucking dead just let him rest. he was depressed and pretty open about it in his work, and as terrible as the clinton’s are they had nothing to do with it or most of the bullshit you nut jobs try to tie them too. most of all, it’s disrespectful as hell to bourdain
mrpoop123 hopefully you find a room one day in Vegas with a balcony... make sure to blow all your money on crap first before you head back to your room.
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vicefulder hmm, from my perspective it was not only justified but witty all at once lol
It was both brave of David to show that side of himself and also thoughtful of Joe to talk about his own experiences with suicide. He must have wanted to cry too.
Man this really hit home with me. I've had so many friends that have died from intentional suicides and accidental overdoses, and have had those haunting thoughts for myself as well.. mental health is nothing to be joked about, and it's very refreshing to see a grown man break down like this. I feel his pain I truly do, God bless him. Every time I feel like offing myself I just listened to stories like this and I remind myself that it is irreversible, and everybody that I leave behind will be in pain for the rest of their lives.
I just found out about Anthony bourdain and I’ve been really enjoying his parts unknown series. Literally was so into it. He has a super funny and relaxed personality, and I thought he was enjoying his life. When I wanted to look for more of his videos, his suicide was the first thing that came up. I’m completely shocked that he was so hurt on the inside.
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God this hit hard. As a young chef Bourdain was one of my heroes and the day he passed it was like a dark cloud had appeared in my life. I've struggled with "similar" things and people often comment on my need to care and be kind to others often at the expense of my own wellbeing. To hear this put into words by a friend of Bourdain really struck a nerve. Rest in peace Tony. A legacy never to be forgotten.
David's sudden breakdown talking about Bourdain was partly grieving for him, and mostly David facing his own demons as he empathizes with what Bourdain went through before he took his own life.
yeah that's what happens when you try to repress that shit and keep a lid on it. It just snaps on you and you can't help but cry. You're holding the wolf by the ears, knowing you can't let go or it will tare you apart.
My best friend passed away unexpectedly and naturally at 37. 7 months later it's still the hardest thing I've ever been through. Losing someone close you don't expect to lose and you have future plans with is hard. Harder than my mom, harder than my grandparents... Probably the biggest shocks and one of the hardest things I've dealt with. I'm the same. I'd prefer not to talk about him to avoid the issues I need to work through.
Yeah i felt that hit my soul. I was in his shoes when my best friend ended his life. I was angry that he did that when things were just getting better.. ugh.. he couldn't even show up for himself. That one stung when he said it.
This conversation needs to be had more worldwide. Such true emotions and words. Prioritise yourselves people. It’s not selfish to love yourself and care for yourself. Very emotional.
This was so emotional to watch. He had so many good friends. So sad. He helped everyone and loved everyone except for himself. That was so deep! I always like watching Anthony talk because he was so real. But in the end his heart was broken. 😔. But I feel he leaves a legacy of hard work, teaching moments and adventures in places I will never be able to visit. I am happy he has a child in this world.
Damn bruh I was trying to have my 420 smoke break and watch a nice little JRE clip and chill, now I’m over here baked and crying... damn that’s some deep and sad shit.
I walked into a dive bar in south San Diego when I was stationed at Pendleton about 7 years ago and Tony was in there alone. I was already a huge fan and approached him just to thank him for his work. He ended up talking to me for an hour and a half and bought all my drinks. Truly a wonderful and grounded man. RIP Tony.
It’s just a terrible mix of emotions when a friend takes their own life. You’re angry not only at yourself but also at them for giving up, but in the end u just wanna see them again.
I just came across this and totally understand the emotions here. When you lose someone you love to suicide, it’s not like anything you can imagine. The sadness mixes with the anger, then guilt, back to sadness and it never ends. I’d never wish it on my worst enemy 💔
Kudos to Joe for just letting him cry and not trying to fill the silence with empty words of consolation. And kudos to Jamie for just leaving the camera on David during the silence.
Watching it I have a different take. Joe jumped on the opportunity to say how well he knew him when he really didn’t outside of interviews. Also trying to one up him by telling him he knew people that have killed themselves.
@@noahziegler3478 I don’t think he was necessarily trying to one up him , I think he was just trying to empathize with him by saying he knows how it feels to lose someone you care about to suicide.
I love joe.. sitting there wanting to cry but because david is shedding alot of tears I'm sure joe is thinking I'm gonna keep it together for david and be his shoulder right now. Ive been there alot its hard ❤
As someone who struggles with suicidal thoughts & has had them since my early childhood, its healing to see him cry over this. It makes the pain id cause my loved ones real. Keeps me from going down that road …
This podcast hit me hard. My dad committed suicide and ive lived with guilt and anger and depression. Depression is a serious disease, and losing someone you love to suicide is such hopeless feeling. David Choe is real, and this podcast was like therapy to me. Thank you
Suicide is a bitch. My mom’s dad did it. The guy took his own life 12 years before I was even born, and yet it has colored a part of my life. It deeply affected my mom, and thus my younger brother and myself. You hurt people who aren’t even born yet. My brother described to me this thing (think it is Japanese) where this culture believes that demons can infect families. It’s how tragedy can be passed down through the generations of a family. I guess suicide is one of the main themes of this concept. The only way to kill the demon once and for all is to break the fucking cycle.
This thread is what I needed to read. I really struggle with life sometimes, I've almost killed myself a few times. I still struggle with it from time to time, but I have a 6 yr old daughter and another on the way. Sometimes I wish I could end it, but I know I can't. I'd just be passing on the suffering to those innocent girls. Seeing what everyone has said on this thread makes me see I can't even entertain the idea anymore.
I'm sorry man. I know of a sort of pain. My father committed suicide also and I've always felt the survivors guilt and being in a place where I could've helped.
I needed to cry for my sister for my brother for my mama my aunt my ma. I miss them all and they all struggled w mental health. Blessed are the peacemakers.
As someone that's been struggling heavy with suicidal thoughts when he broke down I did too. It made me really think about the fact that I'd be putting other people into pain like that
Just take month by month or week by week and that too far to think then Day by day. Tough time will pass and brighter days will come. That’s how I deal with my depression. Hope that helps you. 💕
lost one of my best friends last week to apparent suicide after crashing the family car and worrying about what his parents would think. just sucks. not a day goes by without me thinking about him. he was only 22. man every time i see his mom she would start crying very badly saying she goes to his room everyday just grieving. not easy watching her go through this at all. no parent should ever have to witness their kids die.
As a chef myself with addiction problems im currently hiding this has genuinely hit me hard... unfortunately you just cant save anyone that doesnt want to save themselves and i can only tell people who have tried, you cant hold it against yourselves. You did exactly what YOU could! The victim needs to do what THEY can. Also... sometimes everything goes great but you still get that phonecall. Success and vices can destroy even the strongest of men in utter silence
@garin fl ...true and its not always easy to say the right thing when someone is hurting. All you can do is try your best and that's all Joe was trying to do. Not sure why people would criticize that.
Wayne Gale yeah there were a couple moments in this episode where joe gave his opinion and his intentions were good but the advice was like oh god. Like him telling Choe exercise will fix things like he always says ha
It’s very cool that Choe opened up like that and I hope for the best. Remember that life is suffering and that through purpose and sacrifice we can make life meaningful and beautiful.
To any of my brothers out there suffering don’t give up. I’ve been to the darkest darkest places in my mind and wanted to just end everything but remember it’s better to live in pain then to inflict it on those we love and we have to use r pain for progress so we beat are mental problems. I’m coming through my issues now thankfully but it’s still tough and I’ve got a long way to go still but if you keep trying to live and make sure everyday you do something worthwhile I promise you things will get better because I’ve been where you are. Have faith❤
@Bug Eater he knew he had a problem. He knows that he needed to change, but whatever and however his willpower was, he just couldn't. He said he went to AA meetings even though he was never an alcoholic just to get shit off his head to becoming a better man. He attended multiple therapy sessions. You're an sjw who's sour all the time, because this Asian guy who is still trying to better himself once had multiple women and you probably couldn't get one LOL. To that it must suck to suck. 🤭✌
@@netjiesgolf u have no idea but the key is he is working on it everyday...you would be surprised at how many people struggle most keep it inside...u should thank him for being honest...maybe someone will relate and understand that life is too precious to give up
It feels like a too late situation. Like we could have done something to prevent that but we have no idea how easy or hard that would really be. But I could have done nothing about my grandmother... I tried everything I could, but my mother managed to prevent much of what I tried.
3:33 after what he said I started to cry. All my life I felt like I was alone. I never felt loved or worthy for anyone just the way I am, neither for my parents or my friends. I felt betrayed by the world and that’s why I hated everyone, including me just for who I was. Because I felt unworthy und unloved. For me I tought that no one was perfect and thats totally fine and right so but yet they had their family‘s who loved and accepted them for who they were. I felt miserable not having that. I was only accepted when I delivered, in school, sports and so on… That‘s when I learned that at the end of the day, I will always have me and only me. I wanted to prove everyone wrong, that I was someone. So I swore to myself that I will never talk something right because I couldn‘t handle the truth. I promised myself that I would never lie to myself about how things are and were. Because I knew that no one was going to help me and if I let myself down, they won. I knew the biggest disrespect in my life could only come from myself if I failed me. And by living by that motto, I started to accept myself and eventually also to love myself. The reason why I cried when I heard him talk is that I felt it and knew what he was talking about. He saw the things as they were and he didn‘t wanted to tell him that everything was just going to be fine and you are fine the way you are like some people do when they try to condole someone. I love him for saying that because I know he was not trying to be mean, he was trying to reach him emotionally. That‘s how I talk with my friends when they come and talk with me about their problems. I try to tell it as it is. Wisdom is good but as long as you don‘t feel what the words are trying to say to you, they are only going to be words. Thank you for reading.
Thank you Choe. I’m glad someone as real as you is crying unashamedly on JRE, I fucking loved Bourdain. He changed the course of my life. I became a cook because of him. I moved to Vietnam because of him, I now live in Puebla where his friend Carlos - R.I.P., from Les Halles hailed from. I also got off junk because he was so open about his experiences and always firmly held the middle finger up to anyone who would judge.
It’s worse when you’re rich and famous, because you have no hope, because it’s already as good as it gets. When you’re poor you have the hope that things can get better. When you’re rich, but still miserable you know there is no hope.
It sucks that we feel like we have to apologize for having emotions. It’s such a bitch move to keep prolonging the childish lie that men shouldn’t cry.
Women, despite what they say, hate emotional men. The strong stoic type is around for a reason, its the only one that had its genes passed on through generations.
I had a revelation today. I have spent so much time in my life trying to forgive others for their mistakes, but I have never taken the time to forgive myself for my mistakes
Some people don't understand that though. They build up a world view where the world would actually be better without them. And rarely do people tell them that they matter. We as people, rarely tell other people that they matter to us. It is as if it is some defense mechanism to protect us from being hurt by people.
OEMR many people thinking of suicide see it as a way of ending the pain, not just for them but also for others as they don’t wanna hurt their loved ones. This speaks to the fact that suicide just passes the pain
I watch the old reruns of "A Cook's Tour" and at the end of every episode, I always end up thinking the same thing - "Shit, the world really is a lesser place without this guy in it anymore..."
He had me in tears. The people you leave behind to pick up the pieces & to think every day if there was something different they could have done to save his/her lives. Very sad.
I feel you Choe. I’m crying. So sorry Babe. My heart sends you hugs. Anthony Bourdain I get him- it knocked me so far down too. (Same issues with people got me hurt ) Made me sick. I’m still suffering but fighting day by day as it’s a gift to be here even just to remember the ones I have lost. Hurts so bad. Live for them. ❤️
When I was young I never thought during those blissful times that id ever struggle w/anything like what David Cho mentions, but I have. So courageous of him to come on here so candidly I feel u brother.
He cries because he identifies with the pain, the sadness, the depression. More than likely he's going through the same right now. Personally I've been there, I still go through it, it doesn't go away, you just live with it, you make yourself stronger and braver. I enjoy the happy moments to the fullest because when it rains it pours. I get frustraded, and sad then I have to kickstart my self to keep moving forward. This is a trait of artistic, creative and smart people, we look at life differently and when the picture doesn't please us, sometimes we snap.
The creative flair that makes you who you are is not linked to any symptom. They are not interdependent. Some with creativity do not have depression, and some with depression do not have creativity. To think in such a way is to identify yourself by your symptoms, and you are more than your symptoms. Would you tell someone suffering with an eating disorder that it is part of their personality? No, because you rob them of the mindset needed to change. Jordan Peterson's second rule for life: treat yourself as though you would treat someone you are responsible for helping. Although that also comes with the assumption that you want to change. You have to look deeply within yourself, and ask, "if there was a pill that could cure me of whatever misery I might be facing, would I take it? If there was any person in the world who could move me out of this mentality, would I listen to them? If there was any activity in all of human behaviour that could change my mindset and lifestyle, would I do it?" If you answer yes, you know what to do. If you answer no, maybe it's time to find out why you answered no. I answered no when I first asked myself that question, until I found within the expectations I thought others had placed on me, I had actually placed on myself. I came to know that if I were to die, all the burdens of guilt and sorrow would be placed on the shoulders who truly loved me. I hope you ask yourself these questions, and answer them honestly. I know what it is like to want to un-exist, and I can promise there is no greater feeling then waking up one day after months of self-work, and realising that you have made progress. There is no greater joy then saying to yourself, "I no longer want to die, I want to live a better life." Believe in yourself.
@Josh V I find balance in picking problems I want to solve, to replace the ones I despise. for example, don't know how to pay rent? Learn how to build a house, it's just as challenging and yet far more satisfying problem to have. We will always be trying to balance suffering and joy. Victor Frankel claimed all suffering is relative; he was a holocaust survivor so I don't have many grains of salt with his opinions of suffering.
The way he tried to say "I'm fine" before breaking down and sobbing man 😢 damnit I've never wanted to reach through a screen in hug another person so badly in my life
Just One fact (out of many others) Zuckerberg himself gave him a small ownership of facebook, in Exchange to Paint facebook offices!! He, choe, of course became a millionaire.
I can so relate to this I had tears rolling down my face it's sometimes hard asking for help cause we don't want to feel weak or embarrassed or a burden to others but what saved me was giving my life to Jesus it was a big lift off my shoulders that he had my back so I feel for you brother God bless
We really, really arent tho, just saying that men are taught emotion is weakness is the problem. No man is taught that, youre just taught to be strong. Whatever that means to you. Period. I dont know why that saying is even being tossed around still, its so innacurate.
My mom killed herself this last April, was a way different feeling then when my Dad died of cancer. It was more heavy and lingers in a much more negative way. I know if my mom knew the pain she would have caused those who loved her the most she would have never have done it. Went through a lot this last year since she passed. Got to a point where I was really angry with her, for not atleast writing me a note to say goodbye, feeling betrayed, feeling guilty since I hadn't spent as much time with her as I know I should have, feeling like the world has become this fucked up place and not sure if it's just the trauma or everyone is all kinds of fucked up right now. I've been like fantasizing about the past like the 90s and 2000s were some miracle time and that the world is all evil in 2020. When really I think my brain just wants to pretend things were better in the past because everyone I loved was still alive. I've found myself listening to old music, watching old movies, reliving old memories, and latching onto possessions from back in the day. It's like I don't want to be in the present. Anyways I don't know what the fuck i'm writing here, just that Suicide is fucked up and don't do it to those you love.
@@greent16 painful it is, but if you give up the fight you'll never know the hope, joy, and memories that may have been if you kept trying. This may be the only shot in this universe you'll ever have, hell of a thing to waste. I understand depression, anxiety, and constant pain. I'm in it now. But I refuse to let go of hope. Hope that one day, possibly a very long time from now, things will get better. I believe my pain will plant seeds that will eventually bare fruit. But i'm not giving up for anyone or anything. I'm not giving into weakness and pain just because it hurts.
@@Manakel112781 I've thought of ending it all quite a few times. Your mind becomes a torment and your body becomes a prison. People usually end it when they see no end in sight and nobody can know another person's life, no matter how close they are. I can't imagine what you must be feeling. I hope it drives you to better things. In the end, each person's life is their very own journey. It's hard to understand how unbearable it might be.
@@Manakel112781 Do me a favor and go listen to the song Hold on to Memories, by Disturbed. It's a song that talks about exactly how you're feeling right now, and it might help you repackage these thoughts. I also think that you should start focusing on trying to forgive your mother. She found a permanent solution to temporary problems. I think your best course of action right now would be to seek out a therapist. You just seem to need someone who can help you process. I work in mental healthcare, and I have complete faith in you, my friend. Just by how you're speaking, you're doing a fantastic job of acknowledging your feelings. Depression is like blurry vision, It doesn't make the world better or worse, it just makes it more difficult for you to see the world with clarity. I've always kind of disliked how people call suicide selfish, but the problem is it tends to transfer the feelings to the loved ones who cannot follow. The pain will never fully go away, but it will become more manageable. You don't deserve any of this, but you do deserve to deal with it with dignity.
In my experience, whenever I asked people for help, people who I thought would help, people who I helped without a second thought, they always had an excuse and wind up not helping me. Sometimes, you don‘t ask for help because after being rejected just a listening ear for so many times you feel like you have lowered yourself and sometimes that it can be even used against you and you don‘t wanna go through it again, that‘s why I don‘t talk to people about my mental state, and even when I get the chance, it always ends up the same, I feel like crap for even asking for help, let alone telling my story.
Yeah, no though. That’s not murder. That’s suicide. There’s a very clear distinction. He was just emotionally and not thinking clearly. If you Kill yourself, it’s not murder. If anything, as bad as it sounds, it’s really one of the very few true freedoms you have. You didn’t have a choice to be born, most of what you do in this life is just the result of behavioral and cultural factors outside your control. There are very few true choices you get to consciously make in this life. Being able to end it is one of them. It’s certainly one of the most selfish things you can do, but it’s your choice. I’m not condoning it. I hate the idea of suicide. But some people choose that.
@@haveaday1812 I believe the point is that when you take a life, even your own, one has to justify it. Murder is seen as unjust because it is often irrational, selfish, unfair and just generally bad. The same can be said about suicide. You argued that it's one choice to kill themselves but that does not change the validity of the rational why someone would kill themselves. What is tragic about the Bourdain case is that he was very codependent on others and tried very hard to do good by others but he was ill and he chose to do a very bad thing to himself in his final moments. Bourdain would probably never murder a person who was suffering out of pity or remorse but he did for himself.
"You couldn't even show up for yourself."
That line hit me so hard.
That line hit me like a ton of bricks but boy did I need to hear it.
Yup that line played through my head multiple times today so i had to come back to this clip to hear the legend himself say it
I cried
Yes, indeed. Hit me like a ton of bricks. David Choe does a great job of expressing a very complex emotion / situation better than I ever heard before. That's a keeper.
Don’t fail yourself
Real human crying for his friend. I respect that
It hurts more when you've stared over that ledge and conquered it... yet still you couldn't help your friend.
The dudes love over his friend really gave me an outlook on ones killing himself.
@@aerochicc stay strong
Yeah was pretty hard to watch that’s for sure.
I still get upset and sad when I think about my friend who passed. I miss the bastard every fucking day.
As someone who always have suicidal thoughts, thank you David. You have shown how painful it will be for the people I love.
Love Rogan he means well and is a great mindset and positive guy. But do you think he understands this level of mental health like David and others
@cam_-fn6cx He seemed like a guy with strong mental health. He may be empathetic, but he doesnt get it 100%. But not his fault either.
@ramisrunning nothing wrong with it. I just feel like those people are off happier in life. Wonder how a life would be not having to deal with the intense and deep spectrum internally in mental health.
You have no idea of the pain that you would cause. You don't even have the ability to imagine it. I hope that you don't have kids, and if you do, I hope that they're enough of a reason for you to stick around, because I know they'd feel the same way if they knew what you're going through.
@@cam_-fn6cxI think he does. Just because he doesn’t experience it himself, Joe is very empathetic and has lost friends, including Bordain. He’s an advocate for men’s mental health I believe.
This hits hard. One of my best friends took his life about 8 months after losing both his parents to a car accident. I remember him reaching out to me and telling me how miserable he was, and that there was nothing left in the world for him. He’d tell me time in time again that he didn’t want to live anymore. I tried so hard to keep from doing anything to harm himself. I cried for days, and it still bothers me to this day.
I m so sorry for your loss
Losing both parents in a car accident is tragic. So sad.
I lost one of my best mates October last year killerninja I know what your going threw bro everytime you think of messaging them you remember you can't it takes time especially with suicide look after yourself bro hope all is well.
@@GAMER96252 What frustrates me is their is people who have covid or cancer who are fighting just to stay alive. And then people just kill themselves willy nilly,
I really hope you don't blame yourself at all, you did all you could do and were a true friend to him, it was his choice ultimately, I'm really sorry that happened.
Without being sadistic, we need to see more public displays of grief and sadness to balance out the constant imagery of everyone being "happy".
Not Sadistic in the slightest sense bro, very introspective and honest.
💯
I completely agree, well said.
This should be the top comment, well said brother
When I am president, it will be mandated that everyone cries in public for 1 hour a day.
That was so intense. David doesn’t know how many lives he just saved.
don jones he helped me gave me a good outlook on depression being an asian American and feeling exactly what David described spoke to me.
@@donjones8073 It's ok, your parents didnt love you, many didnt.
He’s being real. men have emotions other than apathy and anger. There’s a huge range of emotions that men don’t show, so when they do, I support it 100%
@don jones if you ever need a hug. I'm here.
@@Racing4Pinks ? Why, he is dissing david
I don’t feel grief for famous people when they die, but when Anthony died and especially the way he left actually made me really sad. Never felt that for a famous person, his passing was different. RIP to the ambassador of the world, Anthony Bourdain.
"The way he left" How was that? I heard Killery Clinton was behind it because those two had a disagreement.
true and with robin williams too
@@spanishjohn420 and with Joan Rivers
It is weird most popular celebrities I do not care for whatsoever but when I saw Anthony for a school project that they showed me I instantly thought he was different and I am still not sure why. It is really sad that he took his life I don't know much about him but then when I first saw him I didn't know he killed himself for a while.
100% same here. Whenever a famous person died, it's shocking but I never even feel sad. But when Anthony died, I re-watch a video of him eating with president Obama in my home country of Vietnam and i just weep...
This is the best part of Rogans podcast. Men talking about mental health and opening up. This is why this podcast is so successful
Hellz
For sure
He was murdered
@@tobysimmons449 yeah man I agree
Toby Simmons bourdain? If so, why?
Who ever is reading, I really needed this clip. I’ve been feeling suicidal the past couple months. I’m a social worker who helps people that are in crisis. They come to me for help. When David said something like “You killed somebody, yourself, when you’re helping so many others around you, you killed yourself.” My purpose is to help people who need my services. I cannot die. This clip gave me a lot of clarity.
You are important and you are loved.
Stay Strong
Hang in there friend. Keep up the good work. World needs you.
Doing God's work you are, thank you for your service.
Me, too.
Stay strong. Xxx
This clip is so powerful. You can really feel the pain in his heart when he goes to that place in his memory. We can only imagine how awesome AB was.
The way Joe sits there with 0 judgement and he is being strong yet vulnerable to the other person. It’s amazing
David Choe is raw unfiltered honesty, to a point where it is unnerving.
I love people like him.
seriously. He’s a rare breed
TehUltimateSnake He’s not rare, just a phay goat.
It’s because when one grows up in an area where life isn’t all roses, humans begin to see what life really is like, which can lease people to either be real genuine and empathetic individuals or just the opposite - a person who lets hate and depression caused by their experiences take over them until it’s too late
chima chibi exactly my point, society and media are 2 of the biggest pressures disjointing our natural human way of being empathetic, patient and loving individuals.
That was one of the realest moments in jre history
Fake and acting
Yes❤
Dude, I literally stopped my shower to go back and watch this on here.
Very powerful stuff.
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@@HuleOCNC then you wacked off to Toe Rogans bald head
Not in an evil way but it truly did feel refreshing seing another full grown man just break out into tears over a friend passing. This is going to help lots of young men
Huh? Why do you think you would need to say or convey that (not in an evil way...)? Your comment after that cannot in any way be misconstrued as "evil". That's a weird thing to say before CLEARLY stating a completely empathetic comment.
@@jonathan_huerta Are you a goofball or what? I referenced a mans sadness and said it brought me joy. Pretty clear why I would clarify that I meant no harm. You need to get outside more bud. Get it together. Figure it out.
@@SirZachariahlllwhen you say it brought you joy, I must agree with the first guy that responded 😂😂 too far bro
@@jakebiggers9700 You clearly don't even understand what Jonathan was saying then... he wasn't saying I "went too far" but quite the opposite actually. He was saying that I didn't need to clarify that I wasn't being empathetic. You're obviously a 7 year old
@@SirZachariahlll I’m joking man
Grown ass 39 year old man here... I just broke out in tears. But not for longer than 30 seconds. This exact experience just taught me about how unacceptable it is for adult men like me to feel things in the society we live.
just be the example of not giving a fuck how the society thinks about it and just cry until there is nothing left to cry on. It's the best thing you can do for yourself in that moment and to an extend, the best for your close network of people.
@@VittamarFasuthAkbin Great advice. Thank you.
Be strong🙏🏾
Same here. But let it last as long as you need to brother. 30 seconds or 30 minutes. Crying is the soul cleansing itself of pain.
I cried openly in front of my buddies entire extended family (Irish catholic/ tough),at the dinner after his funeral and they looked at me with a mixture of confusion and shock. It’s sad that people thinks it’s strong to bury emotion
I lost my younger brother to suicide. I’m struggling right now. And this video helps me feel like it’s ok to cry
Twin brother went out to suicide over 20 years ago. Seems the only way to get past that stuff is to just not think about it anymore and move on with other parts of life that are positive... really no other way
My heart goes out to you. How are you fairing?
Thank you for sharing this
I've not given much thought to what my sibling will go through when I go, but we're not very close and he lives oceans away. Were you close with your brother? Sorry for your loss.
Keep fucking holding on. Dont let go. I lost my brother to suicide too, I was his last call. I brought me to a dark place I didn't know existed. But that was 11 years ago now. Hang on I promise it doesn't get better but it gets easier.
It's going to be okay 🖖♥️
Anthony Bourdains suicide really troubled me. He gave me hope for some reason about getting older and living life. What a loss
Amen
Very true. He taught me to live life and try new things. Gave me hope to get old, retire, and explore and try foods.
Chris Cornell as well..he had everything. Smart, good looks, talented musician and singer, loving family, and a dream job. Looking back a lot of his lyrics foreshadowed depression & suicide. It's troubling that he had that in the back of his mind when he was young man and into his 50s. It never went away. Made me kind of lose hope knowing that darkness will always be there.
Definitely wasn’t suicide.
Man yeah. He was truly an interesting guy.
I was a dishwasher at Broken Spanish in Downtown L.A when Mr. Bourdain came to eat . I remember him coming to the kitchen and thanking not only thanking the chef but the whole kitchen brigade including myself . He shook all our hands and said “Thank you for a delicious meal’.He was a kind and humble person who genuinely cared for everyone. RIP Anthony Bourdain 😭
He knew what it was to be a part of the team, he was there once, that's where he started, and he was humble enough to know, recognize it and apreciate everyone in that spot.
I work in the restaurant industry and Bourdain is regarded as a god. He worked long, hard hours in shitty conditions to get to where he got. And the restaurant industry still mourns his passing. He was kind, he worked fucking hard and played hard. Truly an inspiration.
That's funny I had a different memory of the guy. I saw Anthony at a grocery store in Los Angeles maybe in....2014 I wanna say? I told him how cool it was to meet him in person, but I didn’t want to be a douche and bother him and ask him for photos or anything. He said, “Oh, like you’re doing now?” I was taken aback, and all I could say was “Huh?” but he kept cutting me off and going “huh? huh? huh?” and closing his hand shut in front of my face. I walked away and continued with my shopping, and I heard him chuckle as I walked off. When I came to pay for my stuff up front I saw him trying to walk out the doors with like fifteen Milky Ways in his hands without paying.
The girl at the counter was very nice about it and professional, and was like “Sir, you need to pay for those first.” At first he kept pretending to be tired and not hear her, but eventually turned back around and brought them to the counter.
When she took one of the bars and started scanning it multiple times, he stopped her and told her to scan them each individually “to prevent any electrical infetterence,” and then turned around and winked at me. I don’t even think that’s a word. After she scanned each bar and put them in a bag and started to say the price, he kept interrupting her by yawning really loudly.
Jo Lil No copy pasta in this kitchen!!!
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Being thrown into grief like that from a normal conversation is horrid. David made me tear up here 😢
I’ve been depressed the last few month but stuff like this really hits home seeing him cry over his friend you mean more then you realize keep going.
This guy's grief is so raw and intense. Feel bad for him.
It seemed fake to me
I think he’s a phay goat
Im stoaked h can let it out and is sharing it .... and J gets it 👍👌✌
I suffer from severe PTSD and Severe anxiety and depression. I take 4 different meds everyday to keep it in check( for the most part). I been to 3 different rehabs from addiction to help dull the things that trigger me. If you know someone and they ever talk of suicide or let you know they are having a tough time. Please take is seriously. And try to help any way you can. Even if it is out of your way to do it. You can save someone from their selves. And even if it doesn't work at least you can always know you tried. These illnesses are invisible and are very diseiving.
@@MrMagic1515 What meds do you take?
“I can help everyone except myself”
David Choe is powerful.
My life story.
People ask me for advice but when I need to get myself going I give myself not so good advice or maybe I just don't listen to myself enough.
@@sirtakeiteaziditto
@@chefboiardeeznutz9881 Ditto, Ive saved like a 1000 lives atleast, but i get sad every now and then and im like wtf. Im a life saviour just like jesus or god, but i cant make my self happy.
he was quoting anthony there
@landonharward And he said "im going to help everybody except for myself".
Mental health in men is real and its a major issue that we need to be talking about. It's not just military and I'm a Vet and went through all the tough times. Get help guys. Talk to someone. YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
We're often our own worst enemies. And trust me, we don't need more enemies.
It's just frustrating to see so many men struggle in today's society, and then you see people like Andrew Taint saying shit like "depression isn't real, just go work hard and buy a Bugatti" and so many young men see that and go "OMG YESSSSS THATS THE ANSWER! SIGMA MALE GRINDSET!!!!"
I have had a lot of those thoughts lately. Taking a bunch of sleeping pills or running the car in the garage
@@travisoshea don’t rob the world of yourself, man
@MrOshea81 yeah I had similar thoughts when I was low. Talk to someone about it. There are some apps that I used. They help with anxiety and depression. They have chat rooms where you can talk to people in similar situations. Try and replace negative thoughts with positive actions. I started getting houseplants. Or like an aquarium. Terrarium. Something to help focus on besides bad thoughts.
@@Mexican_Marauder what were the apps?
Oh my god.........his emotional reaction
Gripped my soul so hard. I had to take a moment and reset myself as well.
We all have special lived ones who no longer are with us and we will never get over it. We can only hope to be able to live with it..
God bless
Rule 2: “Treat yourself like someone you are responsible for helping.”
- Professor Jordan B. Peterson.
This guy is talking sense and some dipshit wants him to call people with proper pro nouns
I need to listen to that advice
@Meow🐈 I can only do so because I know God loves me. Apart from him I am nothing and have nothing.
Comments like this are what I’ll miss when Joe moves to Spotify
Jesus.
I was not expecting that. When David cried, my body responded.
@L W
No. I'm not into Asian dudes crying.
Me too
I was driving at the time. It made me cry. I will feel this for the rest of my life.
Yoga 4 Life I laughed. I’m going to hell
Alex H mistaken...
I think it was a shart he experienced
The girl that I loved, committed sui*ide the night before I wanted to tell her how much I love her, I was so nervous that I couldn't sleep all night, then in morning to school, I saw people mourning. I haven't recovered from this, I don't know if I ever will, she was so perfect, so beautiful, so caring. I wanted to cry so bad but my tears won't come out.
Im so so so sorry. Wow
I don't know what else to say other than I'm so sorry for what you've gone through and are currently going through. Wishing you nothing but peace of mind and healing🌻
strenght and compassion to your path where ever it takes. I know why tears don't fall. Because there are other strong states of the mind that require dealing with also: high disbelief/ symptoms of leaving the body(high stress symptom),anger and other strong things like grudge against something. Many things can block access to relief. I wish you luck on finding the path to ease the pain of many things.
Hearing the hurt in his voice and his genuine pain of losing someone who he loved truly hurts because I lost someone who I really loved as a brother and it haunts me to this day. The things Joe said about the what if’s are honestly the hardest thing to deal with on the day to day.
Guys, it’s okay to ask for help. Ask for what you need. And if you don’t know what you need, please ask for what you think you need and go from there. The world needs you.
I sat in a prison cell and went all around the world with Anthony Bourdain. He took me away when I needed it, most. Now Im free and I got a passport and I take him with me. Never knew him but none the less miss him. Was the coolest dude!
Amazing
This is the best Joe Rogan clip
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This is the realist shit I have ever read.
Amazing!! Good for you!! I hope you continue to travel wherever your heart desires
Sending you love for a big bright future man 🦋
Probably the most realest part of JRE I've ever witnessed.
Facts bro
3:45 where he gets emotional 🥹 and starts crying 😭 is so powerful, Joe Rogan is such a phenomenal podcast host!
This is what I like about podcasts. There's no fancy editing or turning the camera away. When there's an emotional moment, you see it, raw and unfiltered. And it's a beautiful thing.
When he said “you couldn’t even stand up for yourself”, he felt like he was talking to himself and it hit the core.
I don’t think so, he’s angry at him for making him sad. He then went on to blame society for not teaching how to ask for and receive help. This guy is a mental child, with great capacity, with no coping mechanism. Always looking for external fixes. Nothing else can fix you, but yourself with some guidance and possibly medication.
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Adam Niswonger there’s something that people don’t realize. With the over saturation of social media and the validation that people seek through all these avenues (FB, IG,TikTok, Snap, etc.) that they no longer can exist in the “REAL” world. They exist in the world they’ve created and find there isn’t anything satisfying outside of it.
A lot of what’s going on in this country is because people FEEL their perception has value. When they find out that it’s their own view but not everyone values it, they lose their minds, get offended, go for their pound of flesh, etc.
Realizing your on THAT island and then trying to escape is extremely hard. You’ve essentially marooned yourself and facing up to that is almost too much to handle. Whether it’s fame, work, attention, etc.
E A totally agreed. I work in healthcare and can echo that “Finally” thought Choe touched on. When you make that connection for people it’s almost visible when they feel someone listening to them. People can say they’ll be there for you but you can’t be inside their own heads. When people lose that, that’s when the darkness comes for them. I believe Bourdain finally succumbed to it in a moment of weakness and based on the anger in Choe, he’s most likely seen it firsthand.
Mental health is super important, but is so undervalued by society.
Those who’ve almost hit that point of giving up before i think understood that exact thing. You’re absolutely right
He is sober and just broke out in tears like that, I don’t think any human other than the ones who have experienced this feeling themselves will be able to understand his pain.
I started crying as soon as he did.
I cant say that I have anything bad going on in my life, got a wife, a daughter, a good job.
And yet, I still feel this awful black hole in me.
I've come to believe that, there's gotta be something wrong with my head, or maybe some of us just aren't meant to be alive.
It just hurts so much.
@@TheDeatharcana i dont mean to over sympathize but i feel exactly what you are saying. I dont think having kids or a partner or even any wealth or material determines if it is how you feel. I believe it is how we all live among eachother so selfishly, wreckless, and irresponsible and some of us can not operate like this without overwhelming stress. Especially knowing that there is a way we can all live together in prosperity having righteous and beneficial interactions every time we come across one another. Yet, here we are stuck and confused just sitting ducks making no attempt at reshaping our reality for the righteous prosperity of all life. I also couldn't help but break down as David Choe started to cry...other times when i have a break down it sounds real similar to Choe with the slight yell in frustration i gotta assume some of us are truly feeling the same.
@@TheDeatharcana I’ve never heard anyone else say that before but that’s how I feel too like some of us just aren’t meant to be alive, stay strong though brother sit through the bad times and live for the good times
@@james00711 that's how I break down as well.
Sometimes I ended by laughing, mostly at my own misery.
@@odkm9629 it's just about the only way I could describe my own personal struggles.
But thank you, keep on keeping on as well 💪
This is why I will always have immense gratitude for the way my Dad raised us. He was really good at understanding how to teach his kids on how to deal with issues of the mind. He understood when it was the right time to have certain conversations and gave us to tools to overcome those problems. RIP Pops love you always!!!
Bourdain was so respectful anywhere he went and his story telling was deep. You can feel his melancholy and introspection. RIP
His death really hit me hard. This man was 44 years old, dunking fries for like $120 a paycheck, behind on rent, IRS on his ass, a drug addict, and found a way. And to find out through all his perseverance and success that he was still miserable was just absolutely heartbreaking.
He didn’t kill himself
@@leonardplanckiii998 wdym yes he did?
@@alexthomas7923 only the ones awake know why he was killed ask the Clintons
@@leonardplanckiii998 dude don’t spread that conspiracy bullshit, he’s fucking dead just let him rest. he was depressed and pretty open about it in his work, and as terrible as the clinton’s are they had nothing to do with it or most of the bullshit you nut jobs try to tie them too. most of all, it’s disrespectful as hell to bourdain
@@alexthomas7923 yes you are. Not a conspiracy. Stop spreading disinformation.
props to joe for handling the tough moment extremely well. nothing but support david we love you
K C read the room man not now
mrpoop123 hopefully you find a room one day in Vegas with a balcony... make sure to blow all your money on crap first before you head back to your room.
vicefulder hmm, from my perspective it was not only justified but witty all at once lol
Joe is a fantastic host
It was both brave of David to show that side of himself and also thoughtful of Joe to talk about his own experiences with suicide. He must have wanted to cry too.
Man this really hit home with me. I've had so many friends that have died from intentional suicides and accidental overdoses, and have had those haunting thoughts for myself as well.. mental health is nothing to be joked about, and it's very refreshing to see a grown man break down like this. I feel his pain I truly do, God bless him. Every time I feel like offing myself I just listened to stories like this and I remind myself that it is irreversible, and everybody that I leave behind will be in pain for the rest of their lives.
I just found out about Anthony bourdain and I’ve been really enjoying his parts unknown series. Literally was so into it. He has a super funny and relaxed personality, and I thought he was enjoying his life. When I wanted to look for more of his videos, his suicide was the first thing that came up. I’m completely shocked that he was so hurt on the inside.
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Typically, the happy ppl pleasing type of persons are the ones that are hurting the most because they know how much it hurts to not be treated right.
No need to apologize for your love and feelings, David. Stay strong brother.
Adam Rutherford STFU
Adam Rutherford ignore your inner troll voice.We all have one but you’re not supposed to like being an asshole.
God this hit hard. As a young chef Bourdain was one of my heroes and the day he passed it was like a dark cloud had appeared in my life.
I've struggled with "similar" things and people often comment on my need to care and be kind to others often at the expense of my own wellbeing. To hear this put into words by a friend of Bourdain really struck a nerve.
Rest in peace Tony. A legacy never to be forgotten.
David's sudden breakdown talking about Bourdain was partly grieving for him, and mostly David facing his own demons as he empathizes with what Bourdain went through before he took his own life.
Well said
Best response yet
yeah that's what happens when you try to repress that shit and keep a lid on it. It just snaps on you and you can't help but cry. You're holding the wolf by the ears, knowing you can't let go or it will tare you apart.
@@b.elzebub9252 frightening
Yes
My best friend passed away unexpectedly and naturally at 37.
7 months later it's still the hardest thing I've ever been through. Losing someone close you don't expect to lose and you have future plans with is hard. Harder than my mom, harder than my grandparents... Probably the biggest shocks and one of the hardest things I've dealt with.
I'm the same. I'd prefer not to talk about him to avoid the issues I need to work through.
stay strong friend
@@Lajki thanks brother.
Hope you're well David
@@G_Ozare thank you. Definitely a lot better but I was in a gnarly place for a long time.
Naturally at 37 from what?
Suicide doesn’t end the pain, it just passes it on to someone else.
When Choe cried, he cried for all of us that adored the man.
Amen
Truth
Facts
Taylor Lemoine PRICK
Taylor Lemoine fair enough, strange sense of humour though
When you’ve lost someone this hits hard
Right 💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔💔☹
Was best said in Good Will Hunting. "True loss happens when you lose someone you love more than you love yourself."
Addiction is a real issue and not just a substance deal...at least for me.
Yeah i felt that hit my soul. I was in his shoes when my best friend ended his life. I was angry that he did that when things were just getting better.. ugh.. he couldn't even show up for himself. That one stung when he said it.
@PED GSP nope. that's my thumbs up bud.
This conversation needs to be had more worldwide. Such true emotions and words. Prioritise yourselves people. It’s not selfish to love yourself and care for yourself. Very emotional.
This was so emotional to watch. He had so many good friends. So sad. He helped everyone and loved everyone except for himself. That was so deep! I always like watching Anthony talk because he was so real. But in the end his heart was broken. 😔. But I feel he leaves a legacy of hard work, teaching moments and adventures in places I will never be able to visit. I am happy he has a child in this world.
One of the saddest moments in JRE history.
Damn bruh I was trying to have my 420 smoke break and watch a nice little JRE clip and chill, now I’m over here baked and crying... damn that’s some deep and sad shit.
I know dude! I can't believe he's culturally appropriating white people with all that blonde hair either! #Iwantmyreparations #leaveblondehairalone
Damn
I think joe rogan doesnt matter how much money he has he ll always stay helpful nice humble
@@skydivemaniac 🤣
I walked into a dive bar in south San Diego when I was stationed at Pendleton about 7 years ago and Tony was in there alone. I was already a huge fan and approached him just to thank him for his work. He ended up talking to me for an hour and a half and bought all my drinks. Truly a wonderful and grounded man. RIP Tony.
What dive bar was it? Thank you for your service John Regan.
"Tony" LoL
Nice. I live 2 min from Pendleton
I would be my salary that your comment isn't true
Adrian Drew Podcast oside
It’s just a terrible mix of emotions when a friend takes their own life. You’re angry not only at yourself but also at them for giving up, but in the end u just wanna see them again.
I just came across this and totally understand the emotions here. When you lose someone you love to suicide, it’s not like anything you can imagine. The sadness mixes with the anger, then guilt, back to sadness and it never ends. I’d never wish it on my worst enemy 💔
Kudos to Joe for just letting him cry and not trying to fill the silence with empty words of consolation. And kudos to Jamie for just leaving the camera on David during the silence.
Kudos?
@@tomson3046 it means respect or praise, I think it's a Greek word
Watching it I have a different take. Joe jumped on the opportunity to say how well he knew him when he really didn’t outside of interviews. Also trying to one up him by telling him he knew people that have killed themselves.
Jamie was obviously high af
@@noahziegler3478 I don’t think he was necessarily trying to one up him , I think he was just trying to empathize with him by saying he knows how it feels to lose someone you care about to suicide.
I’ve never seen the dissonance between anger and sadness regarding suicide spoken about in such clear terms before
Fucking facts.
mrogs12 the anger is selfishness
well said.
I love joe.. sitting there wanting to cry but because david is shedding alot of tears I'm sure joe is thinking I'm gonna keep it together for david and be his shoulder right now. Ive been there alot its hard ❤
As someone who struggles with suicidal thoughts & has had them since my early childhood, its healing to see him cry over this. It makes the pain id cause my loved ones real. Keeps me from going down that road …
This kind of conversarions should be more of on the internet not influencers.
Carl Ruiz why are you gay?
Zsófia Márki who says he’s gay?
czcams.com/video/ooOELrGMn14/video.html Its a reference to the fact that his argument is stupid
@Eddie Bravo thanks, but I dont do content :), at least not yet. my husband is a photographer, that is the reason for the good portrait
This podcast hit me hard. My dad committed suicide and ive lived with guilt and anger and depression. Depression is a serious disease, and losing someone you love to suicide is such hopeless feeling. David Choe is real, and this podcast was like therapy to me. Thank you
Sorry for your loss, hope you’re still doing okay
Same man, I was 7 when I lost mine. I wanted to let you know that we aren’t alone in this.
Suicide is a bitch. My mom’s dad did it. The guy took his own life 12 years before I was even born, and yet it has colored a part of my life. It deeply affected my mom, and thus my younger brother and myself. You hurt people who aren’t even born yet.
My brother described to me this thing (think it is Japanese) where this culture believes that demons can infect families. It’s how tragedy can be passed down through the generations of a family. I guess suicide is one of the main themes of this concept. The only way to kill the demon once and for all is to break the fucking cycle.
This thread is what I needed to read. I really struggle with life sometimes, I've almost killed myself a few times. I still struggle with it from time to time, but I have a 6 yr old daughter and another on the way. Sometimes I wish I could end it, but I know I can't. I'd just be passing on the suffering to those innocent girls. Seeing what everyone has said on this thread makes me see I can't even entertain the idea anymore.
I'm sorry man. I know of a sort of pain. My father committed suicide also and I've always felt the survivors guilt and being in a place where I could've helped.
I needed to cry for my sister for my brother for my mama my aunt my ma. I miss them all and they all struggled w mental health. Blessed are the peacemakers.
This was one of the most authentic conversations. Sorry for their loss.
As someone that's been struggling heavy with suicidal thoughts when he broke down I did too. It made me really think about the fact that I'd be putting other people into pain like that
Live for just you my friend! Everyone else is secondary but very important.
Hope your still here! God loves you and your not alone
I hope you’re in a better place friend. Sending all my love.
And it's similar to the way I have cried too. Lack of breathing, headache, and gasps of air.
Just take month by month or week by week and that too far to think then Day by day. Tough time will pass and brighter days will come. That’s how I deal with my depression. Hope that helps you. 💕
Bourdain lived and embodied the quote, “They may forget your name, but they will never forget how you made them feel.”.
Carl Ruiz ?
lost one of my best friends last week to apparent suicide after crashing the family car and worrying about what his parents would think. just sucks. not a day goes by without me thinking about him. he was only 22. man every time i see his mom she would start crying very badly saying she goes to his room everyday just grieving. not easy watching her go through this at all. no parent should ever have to witness their kids die.
As a chef myself with addiction problems im currently hiding this has genuinely hit me hard... unfortunately you just cant save anyone that doesnt want to save themselves and i can only tell people who have tried, you cant hold it against yourselves. You did exactly what YOU could! The victim needs to do what THEY can.
Also... sometimes everything goes great but you still get that phonecall. Success and vices can destroy even the strongest of men in utter silence
Heavy, Joe is so good at letting people speak but at the same time saying the right thing when they need it most.
@garin fl ...true and its not always easy to say the right thing when someone is hurting. All you can do is try your best and that's all Joe was trying to do. Not sure why people would criticize that.
Wayne Gale yeah there were a couple moments in this episode where joe gave his opinion and his intentions were good but the advice was like oh god. Like him telling Choe exercise will fix things like he always says ha
The way David described Anthony reminds me of that LOTR’s quote:
“I give hope to men. I keep none for myself.”
aj barker1 Jesus that’s a tough thing to say
Damn!
You're gonna carry that weight, space cowboy.
beautiful expression
Who said that?
It’s very cool that Choe opened up like that and I hope for the best. Remember that life is suffering and that through purpose and sacrifice we can make life meaningful and beautiful.
To any of my brothers out there suffering don’t give up. I’ve been to the darkest darkest places in my mind and wanted to just end everything but remember it’s better to live in pain then to inflict it on those we love and we have to use r pain for progress so we beat are mental problems. I’m coming through my issues now thankfully but it’s still tough and I’ve got a long way to go still but if you keep trying to live and make sure everyday you do something worthwhile I promise you things will get better because I’ve been where you are. Have faith❤
David is real, there is no shame in that, because he is 100% himself. 💯 respect
Well said !!! Stay strong David 💪🏼
@Bug Eater are you one of them social justice warriors who looks at a person now and judge them from 10 years ago? It sure seems like it to me.
@Bug Eater he knew he had a problem. He knows that he needed to change, but whatever and however his willpower was, he just couldn't. He said he went to AA meetings even though he was never an alcoholic just to get shit off his head to becoming a better man. He attended multiple therapy sessions. You're an sjw who's sour all the time, because this Asian guy who is still trying to better himself once had multiple women and you probably couldn't get one LOL. To that it must suck to suck. 🤭✌
so this is what we call a mentally unstable person! Stop blowing him up , he is clearly disturbed
@@netjiesgolf u have no idea but the key is he is working on it everyday...you would be surprised at how many people struggle most keep it inside...u should thank him for being honest...maybe someone will relate and understand that life is too precious to give up
I’ve lost a friend to suicide a few years back. I recently lost my older brother and mother within a year of each other. There is no shame in crying.
DoomedThunder66 I’m so sorry for your loss brother and what you say is true 🙏
It feels like a too late situation. Like we could have done something to prevent that but we have no idea how easy or hard that would really be.
But I could have done nothing about my grandmother... I tried everything I could, but my mother managed to prevent much of what I tried.
DoomedThunder66 pain shared is pain lessoned
Sorry for your loss man. Losing people that close is so hard.
Sorry for your loss, how do you keep hold of yourself in that situation?
I think I'd fall apart in your shoes.
This is the best thing I’ve seen on Joe rogan,much respect for this guy,men are killing themselves constantly and nothing is being done
3:33 after what he said I started to cry. All my life I felt like I was alone. I never felt loved or worthy for anyone just the way I am, neither for my parents or my friends. I felt betrayed by the world and that’s why I hated everyone, including me just for who I was. Because I felt unworthy und unloved. For me I tought that no one was perfect and thats totally fine and right so but yet they had their family‘s who loved and accepted them for who they were. I felt miserable not having that. I was only accepted when I delivered, in school, sports and so on… That‘s when I learned that at the end of the day, I will always have me and only me. I wanted to prove everyone wrong, that I was someone. So I swore to myself that I will never talk something right because I couldn‘t handle the truth. I promised myself that I would never lie to myself about how things are and were. Because I knew that no one was going to help me and if I let myself down, they won. I knew the biggest disrespect in my life could only come from myself if I failed me. And by living by that motto, I started to accept myself and eventually also to love myself. The reason why I cried when I heard him talk is that I felt it and knew what he was talking about. He saw the things as they were and he didn‘t wanted to tell him that everything was just going to be fine and you are fine the way you are like some people do when they try to condole someone. I love him for saying that because I know he was not trying to be mean, he was trying to reach him emotionally. That‘s how I talk with my friends when they come and talk with me about their problems. I try to tell it as it is. Wisdom is good but as long as you don‘t feel what the words are trying to say to you, they are only going to be words. Thank you for reading.
💙🖤🙏
Hope your doing well.♥
Thank you Choe. I’m glad someone as real as you is crying unashamedly on JRE, I fucking loved Bourdain. He changed the course of my life. I became a cook because of him.
I moved to Vietnam because of him, I now live in Puebla where his friend Carlos - R.I.P., from Les Halles hailed from.
I also got off junk because he was so open about his experiences and always firmly held the middle finger up to anyone who would judge.
In which Puebla? Puebla Mexico?
A man? Crying? On a national podcast as popular as JRE? 2020 isn’t so bad after all... done with the stigma of guys having to be “tough”
the people who killed him need to be punished
It's okay to cry people, who tells you otherwise can f**k right off honestly.
Admit it, you have a shrine.
A true man's heart has a terrifying depth...
@Blair Waldorf what
It's crazy when I read this, I picture hits life in berserk tatake
@@destytayzo77 is that from Berserk? Sounds very familiar.
@@alexbaum2204 itsnot but berserk has many deep quotes similar to it. What this guy commented is Ken to the struggles of gutz
damn, that's a really goofy thing to say
He’s making me cry. I feel so bad for him. I’m praying for him.
I can't keep fake smiling through my pain but I also can't make my family sad my life's a hell
This is why cable TV will never survive moving forward. None of it has ever been as genuine as moments like these.
Yes...when Geraldo opened Al Capone safe....that was exactly the same and deep
Imagine being the people dealing with that and no money, fame, or support
Andrew Munro underrated comment
It's a long hard road.
I'm sorry stay strong in this evil world🌎
@@pope4106 agreed
It’s worse when you’re rich and famous, because you have no hope, because it’s already as good as it gets. When you’re poor you have the hope that things can get better. When you’re rich, but still miserable you know there is no hope.
Very powerful. I struggle with depression and suicidal ideation. If you need help, it is available.
It sucks that we feel like we have to apologize for having emotions. It’s such a bitch move to keep prolonging the childish lie that men shouldn’t cry.
You said it brother!
Only a brave man will show his true emotions
Women, despite what they say, hate emotional men. The strong stoic type is around for a reason, its the only one that had its genes passed on through generations.
Real men are gay cause they show every emotion.
4real bro....takes a real man to be vulnerable, to not be afraid of their emotions. The realest men are not afraid to show....
I had a revelation today. I have spent so much time in my life trying to forgive others for their mistakes, but I have never taken the time to forgive myself for my mistakes
Its fucking important man, way harder but important
Fuck, this just hit me this morning.
My wife left me with my only daughter and this hit me like a dump truck. 💔
Ayahuasca will help with this. Forgiveness for yourself is the most liberating thing.
AJ Menez your daughter and you will have a very special bond, you got this my brother
I lost a bunch of friends that took their lives. Never been the same,but with faith makes it easier. Prayers go to Dave,he's stil hurting so much.❤
Money and fame will never fill the void. Purpose is far more valuable than any material thing you never truly own.
Love that.
Suicide doesn’t take the pain away, it just passes onto someone else
Some people don't understand that though. They build up a world view where the world would actually be better without them. And rarely do people tell them that they matter. We as people, rarely tell other people that they matter to us. It is as if it is some defense mechanism to protect us from being hurt by people.
Thank you, I’ll try to never forget this
Yes, suicide is a never ending infection - the people left behind will never recover.
agreed, share the blame and share the pain
OEMR many people thinking of suicide see it as a way of ending the pain, not just for them but also for others as they don’t wanna hurt their loved ones.
This speaks to the fact that suicide just passes the pain
I cried when David cried, I feel like we all lost something really special when Anthony died. I hope he's at peace 💜💜💜💜💜💜
I watch the old reruns of "A Cook's Tour" and at the end of every episode, I always end up thinking the same thing - "Shit, the world really is a lesser place without this guy in it anymore..."
So true
That's right Aubrey
He had me in tears. The people you leave behind to pick up the pieces & to think every day if there was something different they could have done to save his/her lives. Very sad.
Me too
I feel you Choe. I’m crying. So sorry Babe. My heart sends you hugs. Anthony Bourdain I get him- it knocked me so far down too. (Same issues with people got me hurt ) Made me sick. I’m still suffering but fighting day by day as it’s a gift to be here even just to remember the ones I have lost. Hurts so bad. Live for them. ❤️
When I was young I never thought during those blissful times that id ever struggle w/anything like what David Cho mentions, but I have.
So courageous of him to come on here so candidly
I feel u brother.
As someone who was pretty close to punching his own ticket, that hits hard
I'm happy you didn't! Hope you're doing well now. Have a great weekend!
keep putting up a good fight brotha. best of luck!
I know the feeling man, I’m going through the same shit
A lot of us are. Hang in there, count you blessings, be grateful... do things you enjoy... music helps me...
Please never do brother. Life is shit. But, we have to keep fighting. Give people the opportunity to help you.
He cries because he identifies with the pain, the sadness, the depression. More than likely he's going through the same right now. Personally I've been there, I still go through it, it doesn't go away, you just live with it, you make yourself stronger and braver. I enjoy the happy moments to the fullest because when it rains it pours. I get frustraded, and sad then I have to kickstart my self to keep moving forward. This is a trait of artistic, creative and smart people, we look at life differently and when the picture doesn't please us, sometimes we snap.
@Carl Ruiz Damn dude so funny look at us all laughing
The creative flair that makes you who you are is not linked to any symptom. They are not interdependent. Some with creativity do not have depression, and some with depression do not have creativity. To think in such a way is to identify yourself by your symptoms, and you are more than your symptoms. Would you tell someone suffering with an eating disorder that it is part of their personality? No, because you rob them of the mindset needed to change. Jordan Peterson's second rule for life: treat yourself as though you would treat someone you are responsible for helping. Although that also comes with the assumption that you want to change. You have to look deeply within yourself, and ask, "if there was a pill that could cure me of whatever misery I might be facing, would I take it? If there was any person in the world who could move me out of this mentality, would I listen to them? If there was any activity in all of human behaviour that could change my mindset and lifestyle, would I do it?" If you answer yes, you know what to do. If you answer no, maybe it's time to find out why you answered no. I answered no when I first asked myself that question, until I found within the expectations I thought others had placed on me, I had actually placed on myself. I came to know that if I were to die, all the burdens of guilt and sorrow would be placed on the shoulders who truly loved me. I hope you ask yourself these questions, and answer them honestly. I know what it is like to want to un-exist, and I can promise there is no greater feeling then waking up one day after months of self-work, and realising that you have made progress. There is no greater joy then saying to yourself, "I no longer want to die, I want to live a better life."
Believe in yourself.
@@stevedasbru Well said, good sirs, well said.
@Josh V I find balance in picking problems I want to solve, to replace the ones I despise. for example, don't know how to pay rent? Learn how to build a house, it's just as challenging and yet far more satisfying problem to have. We will always be trying to balance suffering and joy.
Victor Frankel claimed all suffering is relative; he was a holocaust survivor so I don't have many grains of salt with his opinions of suffering.
@Carl Ruiz Damn bro, you got the whole squad laughing. Please, tell us another one
asking for help is a huge step. *receiving* the help is a giant leap of faith that some people just can’t make. rip A.B💜
The way he tried to say "I'm fine" before breaking down and sobbing man 😢 damnit I've never wanted to reach through a screen in hug another person so badly in my life
I don’t even know who this guy is, but it’s impossible to watch this and not feel anything..
You should look up his work. He's a genius artist and chances are you've seen some of his work but didn't realize it. My personal favorite artist.
He’s an amazing artist and has loads of viewable stuff I recommend watching his show I think it’s called thumbs up. So entertaining.
Amazing artist
@Sam Buca You had me laughing buddy
Just One fact (out of many others) Zuckerberg himself gave him a small ownership of facebook, in Exchange to Paint facebook offices!! He, choe, of course became a millionaire.
That one line is deep. “To couldn’t even show up for yourself”. I am crying.
Thar line was soo deep. Instant tears.
Who is cutting onions in my bedroom right now?...
I cried a few times during this episode
Yes that line touched me in a different way
I can so relate to this I had tears rolling down my face it's sometimes hard asking for help cause we don't want to feel weak or embarrassed or a burden to others but what saved me was giving my life to Jesus it was a big lift off my shoulders that he had my back so I feel for you brother God bless
As tears roll down my face watching this, I’m speechless!💔
As men, especially in America, we are taught emotion is weakness. It's not - it's what makes us human and those without it are sociopaths.
We really, really arent tho, just saying that men are taught emotion is weakness is the problem. No man is taught that, youre just taught to be strong. Whatever that means to you. Period. I dont know why that saying is even being tossed around still, its so innacurate.
@@konkelkent fr
@@konkelkent Some people don't know the difference between self-suppression, and self-regulation.
Well...unfortunately allot of Rogan and his fans perpetuate that toxic masculinity mentality.
@@willvr4 no, he doesn’t. Just cause he’s not a woke lemming doesn’t make him toxic. It makes him objective.
My mom killed herself this last April, was a way different feeling then when my Dad died of cancer. It was more heavy and lingers in a much more negative way. I know if my mom knew the pain she would have caused those who loved her the most she would have never have done it. Went through a lot this last year since she passed. Got to a point where I was really angry with her, for not atleast writing me a note to say goodbye, feeling betrayed, feeling guilty since I hadn't spent as much time with her as I know I should have, feeling like the world has become this fucked up place and not sure if it's just the trauma or everyone is all kinds of fucked up right now. I've been like fantasizing about the past like the 90s and 2000s were some miracle time and that the world is all evil in 2020. When really I think my brain just wants to pretend things were better in the past because everyone I loved was still alive. I've found myself listening to old music, watching old movies, reliving old memories, and latching onto possessions from back in the day. It's like I don't want to be in the present. Anyways I don't know what the fuck i'm writing here, just that Suicide is fucked up and don't do it to those you love.
Sometimes life is so painful you can't live for other people anymore. Death seems a release
@@greent16 painful it is, but if you give up the fight you'll never know the hope, joy, and memories that may have been if you kept trying. This may be the only shot in this universe you'll ever have, hell of a thing to waste. I understand depression, anxiety, and constant pain. I'm in it now. But I refuse to let go of hope. Hope that one day, possibly a very long time from now, things will get better. I believe my pain will plant seeds that will eventually bare fruit. But i'm not giving up for anyone or anything. I'm not giving into weakness and pain just because it hurts.
@@Manakel112781 I've thought of ending it all quite a few times. Your mind becomes a torment and your body becomes a prison. People usually end it when they see no end in sight and nobody can know another person's life, no matter how close they are. I can't imagine what you must be feeling. I hope it drives you to better things. In the end, each person's life is their very own journey. It's hard to understand how unbearable it might be.
@@Manakel112781 Do me a favor and go listen to the song Hold on to Memories, by Disturbed. It's a song that talks about exactly how you're feeling right now, and it might help you repackage these thoughts. I also think that you should start focusing on trying to forgive your mother. She found a permanent solution to temporary problems. I think your best course of action right now would be to seek out a therapist. You just seem to need someone who can help you process. I work in mental healthcare, and I have complete faith in you, my friend. Just by how you're speaking, you're doing a fantastic job of acknowledging your feelings. Depression is like blurry vision, It doesn't make the world better or worse, it just makes it more difficult for you to see the world with clarity. I've always kind of disliked how people call suicide selfish, but the problem is it tends to transfer the feelings to the loved ones who cannot follow. The pain will never fully go away, but it will become more manageable. You don't deserve any of this, but you do deserve to deal with it with dignity.
Mic Righteous - Because I love you
Thank you for showing this. Very powerful.
In my experience, whenever I asked people for help, people who I thought would help, people who I helped without a second thought, they always had an excuse and wind up not helping me. Sometimes, you don‘t ask for help because after being rejected just a listening ear for so many times you feel like you have lowered yourself and sometimes that it can be even used against you and you don‘t wanna go through it again, that‘s why I don‘t talk to people about my mental state, and even when I get the chance, it always ends up the same, I feel like crap for even asking for help, let alone telling my story.
"You murdered someone that happened to be you" wow.
Yeah, no though. That’s not murder. That’s suicide. There’s a very clear distinction. He was just emotionally and not thinking clearly. If you Kill yourself, it’s not murder. If anything, as bad as it sounds, it’s really one of the very few true freedoms you have. You didn’t have a choice to be born, most of what you do in this life is just the result of behavioral and cultural factors outside your control. There are very few true choices you get to consciously make in this life. Being able to end it is one of them. It’s certainly one of the most selfish things you can do, but it’s your choice. I’m not condoning it. I hate the idea of suicide. But some people choose that.
@@haveaday1812 You completely missed the point, how embarrassing.
@@xandercorp6175 And what would the point be?
@@haveaday1812 I believe the point is that when you take a life, even your own, one has to justify it. Murder is seen as unjust because it is often irrational, selfish, unfair and just generally bad. The same can be said about suicide. You argued that it's one choice to kill themselves but that does not change the validity of the rational why someone would kill themselves. What is tragic about the Bourdain case is that he was very codependent on others and tried very hard to do good by others but he was ill and he chose to do a very bad thing to himself in his final moments. Bourdain would probably never murder a person who was suffering out of pity or remorse but he did for himself.
@@SirHobben Wow, so your a clinical Psychologist? Who would have thought.