How Much Time Should You Spend on Artifact Farming? | Genshin Impact
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- A guide which explores Resin Efficiency when Farming Artifacts in Genshin Impact.
Source code: jsfiddle.net/jyoshim92/gpnw4mby/
00:00 Resin Efficiency
02:15 Methodology
03:52 Wanderer Simulation
04:55 Stat Growth Trends
06:20 Key Takeaways 1 & 2
08:29 Xiangling Simulation
10:02 Key Takeaway 3
12:04 Artifact Strongbox
13:12 Key Takeaway 4
16:05 Kuki & Key Takeaway 5
17:56 Closing Remarks
Writing / Editing / Voiceover: Jyo
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Is this a guide or did I just trick you into watching my Akademiya dissertation? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
This was a passion project of mine that I was working on for several weeks before I quit Genshin earlier in 2023, which I've just got back around to wrapping up. There are already a lot of excellent guides on the topic of Artifact Farming, so this video might not bring anything groundbreaking to the table, but I'm still hoping there are some interesting things you can take away from the approach I've taken in tackling this topic.
Hello! Will the artifact simulator be available for public use?
In essence, this was nothing new for me, but I really liked your examples with some actual numbers. Helps to put it into perspective. Also, very nice visualization of the data. Great Guide for new players.
And yes, you can really feel how annoying it can be to farm artifacts for characters, who only really care about Crit + ATK or HP vs. characters, who utilize many stats.
Virtually all my Emblem artifacts end up getting several EM rolls. Unfortunately, I have only one Xiangling, so...
Looking forward to your abyss guide
With so many Artifacts and Character scalings to take note of, I wish some would make an excel focused on which Artifacts to KEEP and which to feed.
This is just what I did by looking at how artifact system works. Perfect artifacts arent worth my time, never farmed them. But this mathematical proof is very cool.
Bro, wake up and decide to write a thesis about artifacts farming
well somebody has to do it, there's a video about anything and everything for a reason because of people like him lmaoo
did you meant "wOke up and decideD" ?
Resinless behaviour💀
With the way you've worded this, it sounds like an order 😂
Even he know how it sucks to spend resins for months struggling to get a good status or a whole collection... rather that daily we're screwed as a fuck
It has just occurred to me that not everyone just says “fuck it we ball” and hope for the best when it comes to building characters
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Wait people dont
I think one thing to consider while looking at artifacts tho is, that you don't only build one character, but multiple ones, which means that "leftover" artifacts can still be an dps increase for your other characters.
That's what i do, I select a few more characters that I put into consideration when I'm pulling my main character, i manged to strongbox a few artifacts for sucrose and sayu while also farming for hutao, and even ended up with some nice elemental dmg bonus off pieces (usually electro which I don't need atm but I can't just throw a double crit goblet like that)
It's the reason domains like vermillion/echoes is less desirable to farm since only two characters really want to farm that domain. Compare that to Gilded/Deepwood and the number of characters that want or can be built with those artifacts makes that domain stronger.
@@user-po3iz9wo6p i do the same but with EM DMG pieces only, for the 5th free piece of artifacts.
@@PunchbadguyGilded/Deepwood, Marachussy/Golden Troupe and Emblem/Shimenawa are probably the most resin efficient domain
What if the set is very niche and specific
08:29 I can't take it anymore. I'm sick of xiangling. I try to play diluc. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play yoimiya. My xiangling deals more damage. I try to play Hu tao. My xiangling deals more damage. I want to play Klee. Her best team has xiangling. I want to play raiden, childe. They both want xiangling.
She grabs me by the throat. I fish for her. I cook for her. I give her the catch. She isn't satisfied. I pull engulfing lightning. "I don't need this much er" She tells me. "Give me more field time." She grabs bennett and forces him to throw himself off enemies. "You just need to funnel me more. I can deal more damage with homa."
I can't pull for homa, I don't have enough primogems. She grabs my credit card. It declines. "Guess this is the end." She grabs gouba. She says "Gouba, get them." There is no hint of sadness in his eyes. Nothing but pure, no icd pyro application. What a cruel world.
I suggest you try couple therapy.
@@vitor900000Probably a bot. Saw thT comment copy pasted multiple times for months.
@@willrmmerhunter it's a copypasta
@@el7284 Aka, probably a bot.
@@willrmmerhunter Indeed, it might be a bot. You should report it.
(For legal reason that was a joke, pls don't report me 😭)
Damn the quality of your videos is so top notch. You present high level concepts in such a digestible form. I’m a day one player who basically lives in the abyss, so I don’t necessarily learn a lot of new things. But it’s still so nice to get a refresher of this quality every once in a while. Especially when it’s supported by great material like this simulation. I‘d definitely send every new player your way since your videos could be super valuable to them.
Totally agree! 💯
another advantage to strongboxing is that it lets you skip domains with only one good set (VV/maidens) and instead farm a more resin efficient domain like golden troupe or gilded, effectively farming 3 sets at the same time. I'd love to see how this pans out in the simulation
I ran simulations for this exact issue. The results vary a lot because we don't have the data to know if a given artifact is "good" or even the % for 4-liners (Strongboxing for example has a higher % for 4-liners than domains but we don't know by how much)
But I've come to these conclusions:
Given 2 domains with one domain containing the artifact set we want but having a bad set as the second option and a domain where both artifact sets are desireable. If we strongbox every "bad" piece resulting from farming these domains into the artifact set from the "inefficient" domain the numbers are as follows:
1) Farming the efficient domain and strongboxing will result in 25.5 - 33.4% more total "good" artifacts
2) Farming the "inefficient" domain and strongboxing will result in 1.53x - 2.2x faster time aquiring the artifact set that we actually want
Interesting findings! Combined with Jyo's takeaways, I think the best practice is therefore to farm the inefficient domain for 2 weeks to get 70-80% of the power budget from main stats, then strongbox the rest while farming a more efficient domain since you'd only care about good artifacts at that point anyway
@@yr4hcaZ Yeah I guess that works, what I took away from my findings though is just farming efficient domains is going to be better in the long run. Yes, it will take longer to build some characters but it's not like we are in a rush as players to build our characters.
fair point. also worth mentioning that artifacts which can be strongboxed are from older domains, so it's unlikely you'd be in a rush to farm it regardless
@@see_yl honestly the only reason i wanted my chars to have very good stats is for abyss 12th floor. I'm AR 56 now and only managed to full star till 11-3. Tried doing the 12-1 this time and died. The ennemies are just too strong, aka have enormous amounts of HP. And i hate the fungis bcuz to get the good drops, i can't atk with either Elec or pyro, wich are the best chars i have so have to go with bloom reac. But do those dendro cores only explode when the time is up, or if i were to trigger a react and create sum more it forces them explode ? Bcuz i don't do much dmg like that and rn i have Nahida with EM, Dendro dmg and crit and do 5k pure Dendro DMG so was wondering if i could do more dmg with full em...
I didn't know about the strongbox artifacts being more likely to have 4 substats. This is a great breakdown, and really seems similar to my experience building characters like Xiangling vs characters like Ayaka.
I know right? I’ve been playing fairly consistently since launch and I never knew strongbox was even better than I thought
Dude I swear you're a natural at this
Everything is so easily digestible
He said use the strong box and not much more. My advice is forget about artifacts, just look at the helpers guide chart to know which artifacts each character needs and that's it. First, save primogems, never wish, until urchon comes. Then, wish, go for c2 in case of Raiden, Furina, Nahida. Then sub DPS and support. Yelan, Kazuha, maybe Yae, maybe kokomi, zhongli. You will get the 4 stars eventually. Xiangling is free, then look for dupes. Ignore all Carry DPS, skipp banners. Yelan, is a monster, must have. It's easy to build, for weapon and artifacts. Uses ER and HP, then crit. this makes her the easiest character to build with Furina and Nahida. Kazuha is easy because you don't need anything more than EM and some ER.
So you get the characters, the right ones, then lvl up, lvl weapon, keep farming artifacts looking at the guide. There is nothing else to do. The strongbox is only for players with strong enough and old enough accounts, who want to keep farming some artifacts instead of using those for lvl up. You will do this at some point but usually, strongbox is used for Kazuha artifacts, or a healer character or support who uses millelit or noblese.
@@gamingtemplar9893probably because the video is literally about resin efficiency in artifact farming. He gave a lot of info on why that is and showed the math on a lot of it to make it easier to understand, idk if you actually watched the video.
Your "advice" is just a guideline for how to make your primogems efficient in terms of strength, which everyone gets told already and is useless at this point. That has nothing to directly do with resin, like what he was talking about.
Also what you said about strongboxxing is bullsht lol, it's much more efficient to use on DPS oriented artifacts than on support oriented artifacts, as substats are much better on strongbox artifacts than domain ones, and those substats are more important on DPS artifacts
@@gamingtemplar9893I meant *useless to say*. the advice isn't shit it's just already repeated so much that everyone knows that it's "better" to pull for archons and super strong units
@@BooskeyRt I think another thing people fail to realize is that for new players, the only teams you can build are based off of the banners available when you started so a lot of these 5*'s could take a year to collect - so if you want to beat spiral with what you have available, then you will be building characters that might not be so primo efficient. Plus, there are things like playing on controller or mobile (internet speed) that make the "best" 5*s not necessarily feel as great to one player as they do for another and it can take time to try out characters until you find ones you like.
I loved the info in this video because knowing which characters have the best artifact farming efficiency in the first few weeks gives me more confidence to farm for characters I've been putting off because I assume it will be as time consuming as the ones that have taken months. Veterans might know this already but seeing the math and charts is really helpful
I started a new account to try characters I don't have the primos for on my main and I started using strongbox straight away and got some great artifacts that saved resin for building Xiangling & Raiden so strongbox can be vital for new players - even when I only had 6 artifacts to feed lol I still got a coupe better ones than I had. I wish I did this on my 1year old main account sooner!
@@gamingtemplar9893you missed the point
having grinded for 11 weeks of deepwood getting no em deepwood headpieces, I feel robbed.
Damn sucks i feel your Pain tho with farming vermillion set when chasm came out farmed for 6months got only 1 anemo dmg piece it rolled shit
How is this not more popular? Easily the most in-depth, cohesive breakdown of resin allocation I've ever seen
because people can barely read, let alone understand statistics.
Because the video is inherently useless, there is not one point you couldn't have figured out by yourself after playing around with artifacts or just using logic. Even the numbers shown for resin farming recommendation make no sense to recommend as the only purpose is statistical.
@@merydex7717 On the contrary, this video is quite valuable. Even though I can kinda agree that some key takeaways are just logic, this video is just worth watching for anyone not familiar with Genshin or gacha games in general. Like you said, if you play enough, you can figure out a lot by yourself (e.g. focusing on main stats is the most important). But this video is there to prevent a lot of new people (and old players who don't think too much about efficiency) to waste resin and 5-star artifacts. It gives them a rough goal for artifact farming.
A thousand times to be able to start counting consistency... If that alone doesn't tell you how absolutely broken and ridiculous the RNG is for artifacts and farming them, I don't know what is.
Id say youre the best Genshin Guide maker. Not only do you mostly focus on Spiral abyss, which is arguably the only challenging content, but you did so with really good explanation on how enemy Ai behaves as well as good positioning which helps all players unlike the other CC who just focuses on teams. Veteran players dont need to be told which team works for a chamber but positioning certainly helps, because, lets face it, when you have too many units already, sometimes your play can be pretty unoptimized. Its the same with this video, while veterans already uses the artifact strongbox and are aware of efficient resin use, there are still minor things you managed to impart us, such as that added chance of 4 substats on strongbox artifact. I dont think ibe heard CC's talk about that. Lastly, your clear and easy to understand explanations free from annoying and unnecessary effects coupled with a calm voice makes following the topic easier.
I hope more people see your content especially the newer players.
This is definitely one of the most well-researched and informative videos in the theorycrafting sphere. Great job!
This video was bonkers. You sir got my deserved sub for the immense effort put in this video... Since being a day 1 player I mostly knew all of these tips shown on the video, but it is nice to finally put it all on numbers and finally see it. Man I really wished I could've seen a video like this back when I started playing genshin, the amount of information packed in this video is straight up crazy. This is a goldmine of min-maxing information for new players. Well done man, truly well done!!
Wake up honey, new Jyo video just dropped !
IM AWAKAE XD
Commenting for better reach and yt algo. It's easy to see how much passion you have for TC, keep making good content! CHEERS mate!
This is one of the best genshin guide i've seen. Especially so with numbers to back it up, thank you
What a great and well-researched video! You deserve way more recognition man. Been here since the first ever ruin serpent abyss guide. Keep it up :)
"You will slowly accumulate an abundance of artifact experience" Dude I have literally nothing to feed into new artifacts. Playing since 2020 and the only way I can easily +20 an artifact is if I feed it one of my +20 double crit artifacts that rolled twice into some useless stat and pray the new artifact is at least as good or better than the one I sacrificed.
I think the only way to fix your issue is to continue farming artifacts, but never use any low level artifacts, you should do this for about a week straight and you should be golden for quite awhile.
I love watching way too in depth genshin videos but I must stay, the way you presented the data and shared your findings was excellent. Loved the video!!
This has been comprehensive AND interesting to watch! Thank you, I understand artifacts better now) also, I really enjoyed your editing 🩵
Thanks for this. I'm the type a person that needs some kind of quota/indicator to know when/where is a good stopping point.
Being able to see when to stop farming was nice.
This is awesome! Thank you for bringing us this information in a condensed and understandable way.
Amazing content, I neglected this video for a long time since I assumed it covered concepts I were more or less familiar with as a relatively old player, but still the process was so fascinating and you managed to surprise me again.
Your videos are an inspiration for this community, thank you for coming back and cooking again
This work screams quality , perfect job.
Subscribed and waiting for more 👍
This was an incredibly informative video!! I learned a ton! This was the first video of yours I've seen and from just taking a glance at your page, I'm gonna go ahead and binge the rest of your stuff! Wonderful work!
Thank you for the analysis and visuals! I've filed this into my playlist of definitively helpful Genshin videos to share with friends.
Writing a whole program and creating a video just for my understanding? Hard work is seen and appreciated. Subbed!
This might be the most useful Genshin video I've seen in a long, long time. I've been playing actively since launch and the key take-aways from this video are spot on and explained very clearly. This is really great stuff!
Wow. You are very professional in making content. Your videos really have a lot of effort, time and research put into it. And I truly appreciate that as a first viewer. Keep it up
Good to see you back Jyo. I always loved the way you structured your guides and was sad to see you had stopped uploading. I hope all is well on your end! If you decide to come back to frequent uploads know that you'll have viewers like me ready to watch anything you post.
This video slaps. Accurate, helpful information presented in a clear, understandable way. I'm also a longtime player who knew all of this implicitly, but seeing it laid out with numbers and articulated so clearly was still interesting to watch, and beneficial to solidifying my understanding.
best video on artifact farming on this platform, congrats :)
Thank you for taking the time to make this video, it was really informative and easy to understand
Love your voice + background music it's really soothing help me sleep
I can't believe you wrote js program just to show us the proper results or how actually not only luck but system plays big factor as well, you saved a lot of time not only on resources but for overall game! It was really efficient guide, appreciate your efforts man.
Very well-done video, love the visuals. You're a great teacher. :)
this is incredibly impressive. it really puts into perspective where your resin is actually going
this is a really cool video to have. I do remember struggling with resin tons when I was lower AR. And from a more general perspective, very interesting to see the progression curve for various characters.
First time seeing your video and subbed right away. Really clear and concise explanation. Keep it up!
Thank you! This video is a godsend! This will save me a ton of resin. And I'm changing my build strategy. I clearly have going about things totally wrong. You got a new sub.
I appreciate how clear and concise this guide is, almost feels like an academic paper. Very well done 👍
Very useful, and a pretty cool practical application of programming! Great job :D
This was really helpful as a player just entering artifact farming, amazing quality video!
This video is so well detailed 👏. Great video 🤞
Really well done, thanks for the video!
You are GOATED.
I obviously was familiar with those concepts and the overall good ways to build a character.
However, this video is very noob friendly and I love it
have been a while I click on the sub button.
This is some dedication right there, people.
Thank you very much for the valuable content, your effort that goes to researching this video doesn't goes unnoticed, very concise and clear.
This is soo well made!
Insanely good video! Very clear and concise for new players
wow dude. how is that almost every video u make is a 10/10 masterpiece guide?
so damn concise and easy to understand.
i discovered your channel from the elemental gauge and idc video some year go and you continue to pleasure me.
18:48 indeed the visualization of artefact farming was usefull even for me that play this game since day 1. is so cool to know.
ps: also wow so the strongbox is not rly a scam box like people use to call it. 4 substat more often in it 🤯
What a great video! As someone who has started to hit the artifact farming part for my characters, this is such a good breakdown for knowing how much time/resin to invest into a character
Great work, good to have some numbers to back up what you learned from experience
this was an incredible video!! thank you so much!
Love seeing these data driven videos on artifact farming.
this is the type of informational or educational genshin video i wanted, an easy instant sub
Such a well made video, congrats dude
Thank you for making this video 💜
Fantastic video! Thank you for your hard work.
This video is incredible! ❤
great guide, Jyo!
Perspective is invaluable when deciding how to progress through this game and thats exactly what this video provides. Thank you so much for making this. New subscriber
You'd make a great teacher, this is awesome and easily digestible!
Honestly, Best video I've ever Seen on artifacts!
I just found the must VALUABLE video after over 2 years of Arte farming, thanks a looooooooot!!
I have been playing genshin since January of this year only, and this is the first and only video I found giving a strategy for artifact farming with sufficient and newb-friendly explanation. Thank you very much!
Great guide, and thanks for using Gaming in your example. He’s so much fun.
This video is amazing and very engaging nice work sir ❤❤❤
Amazing video, really puts things into perspective
This is so good, man this is fucking good, this is top tier vedio in every aspect
great and well explained video!! congrats
Great video! I loved the in-depth explanations along with multiple example progression curves. Also, I'm always down for some CV trashing. The idea that CV is a remotely accurate metric for character strength needs to die.
I do wish the video covered domain resin efficiency. Particularly how the X.0 domains, which generally features two useful sets and multiple characters that use each of them, are nearly always a better use of resin than the X.3 and x.6 domains. Emblem, MH, and GT are particularly resin-efficient because you can find characters that want basically every stat combination on them. Additionally, RV difference between a BiS 4pc and 2pc/2pc also factors into domain efficiency. Often times, the most resin-efficient choice for characters like Wanderer is to spend 5-10 weeks in DPC domain like you suggest, then wait until its strongbox is available.
However, from the perspective of improving a single character with a signature set, I understand why you omitted domain efficiency from the video.
I love videos like these, where it greatly helps out newer players by telling them optimal uses of stuff so that they can avoid making newbie mistakes (and uses solid math to back up the claims so that it's difficult for even the skeptics to not believe it), but also offers useful statistics for veteran players such as myself.
I often see many new players say that they do certain things (that are really un-optimal, such as using their 5* artifacts as fodder while converting their 1-3* artifacts into mora [NOT a hypothetical example]), and when I tell them how inefficient that is, they just choose to not take my advice and just do what they believe. Videos like these offer more data/proof for such people to actually perhaps change their mind.
A friend of mine foddered his fav weapon to level Aquila for Bennett.
People don't get how bad mistakes can get because of how casual the game is.
Great video, I love your idea to quantify the improvements through simulation. If you look at the marginal dmg increases relative to the current dmg at that time, the impact of farming in the early weeks is even larger!
Very good video, good job mate!
Why did this insanely detailed video pop into my recommended and where has it been all my life!
This was so incredibly well done and finally helped me get a rough estimate on how long farming will actually take. I've always dreaded and avoiding truly farming artifacts because it feels so random and I figured I could theoretically spend months and not make any true improvements. 10 weeks is still a lot of time, but now I know that there *is* a sort of "stopping point" where it's reasonable for me to move on. Thank you so much for making this and explaining it in such a clear manner.
Thanks for your hard work. Your video is still plenty helpful for me so I can manage my artifact farming time better, although I probably will still farm Hunter and GT sets until 4.0
this was a really helpful and good video, thank you so much
Bro this is the BEST video i've ever seen about this topic
The visualization helps so much, thanks
Thanks for the analysis!
This is also good to help decide how developed your artifacts should be before you decide to start crowning talents.
I really love this and I hope your channel gets more popular because of it. No wonder when I farm a new relics. That feels so good in the first 1 to 2 weeks. Now it actually makes me feel free conversely, to stop farming after 10 to 20 weeks. I’d rather get a new character and new relic set!
This is the first video of yours I've watched and gotten recommended by CZcams, I am incredibly impressed by the quality and presentation of the information, it's also kind of a forced awakening cause it makes me realize some of my characters will only get better now if I get a hyper lucky artifact lmao
Amazing, I really wish I had a guide like this when I was a new player. Not that still now it has not given me worthwhile new insights. But If one new player asks me for one video to see, this is exactly the one I will refer them to. Great job! Thanks.
awesome video. this was very easy to follow and very informative
This is the best info video about farming, thanks man. All this calculation must have taken huge time.
I really enjoyed the content and the clarity with which you presented your ideas, especially using graphs to illustrate progression. Your explanations addressed questions I had when I was new to the game. I wish I had access to this information when I started playing in version 1.4. Personally, I focus on grinding artifacts for characters I like, but only for 2 to 3 weeks at most. I prioritize leveling up characters and their talents because I just want to max out my characters, and considering the uncertainty of drops in artifact grinding. Currently, I have 66 characters, all at level 90, with most having talents at 9-9-9 and some even crowned. While my stats may not be exceptional, I've consistently cleared the Abyss for more than 2yrs without fail. I know that my resource allocation is not optimal, but I'm too far in the game already and I'm almost done raising everyone in my roster so i guess I would just keep on doing what i do. Nonetheless, I would definitely recommend your video to those seeking to min-max their account.
Scrupulous work done on this👏. Subscribed immediately as a developer and genshin player.
this kind of stuff, theorycrafting, comp building and enjoying this game despite the (glaring) flaws it has together with its community. this is what i love about this game! thank you for such a high quality video. it was amazingly well written and researched!
This is a really nice guide. Even for me who have been playing the game for 2 years. The data gave me a hint of relief in knowing that what I did to build my characters where correct and made me rethink in maybe adjusting a bit in being so overly focused in one domain to get that 40CV Artifacts
Appreciation for your effort
Your work is outstanding
Awesome content 😭💕
Such a good video! 😆
I'm not really a new player (3 years mark coming soon I guess) but I really like this video, especially the way how you managed to talk about all this in such comprehensible way. Lately it's hard for me to concentrate on things that are not that interesting (statistics and such) but the way you do it is just something on another level. Maybe it's the editing, maybe it's the natural flow of the script, maybe it is altogether, but I enjoyed this a way more than I though I would, thank you so much!
PS:I do have one question, a bit offtopic though. As you stated in the video, as a long time genshin player I don't really care about the way I spend resin in genshin anymore, since I have a lot of working team comps for the abyss and enough decent artifacts with weapons (some weapons are not even lvl 90, because why bother). But recently I got into Honkai Star Rail and as a newbie I can really feel deficiency in resources, to the point where all those promocodes with resources saves the day. And as a newbie, it's really hard to understand what exactly I need to focus on when upgrading my characters. So my question is, is the logic stated in this video more or less applicable to the HSR progression? It would help me a lot, thank you so much/
Amazing video. Thank u for this
This was awesome! Thank you for your work on this. I'm a returning player and thanks to you I will now finally stop ignoring the strongbox