I don't see bi-polar in this. I see classic narcissist. Sadly, there are no real treatments for narcissism. Poor Britt. She seemed to get the worst of it & their child next. I lived with a narcissist mother, so I feel much compassion for his victims. He may have been a talented actor, but I have no respect for him. Serial killers can be very charming & charismatic in daily life, afterall.
I feel you are right. My father is a famous piano player. He is also a complete narcissistic sociopathic control freak. Some people know it, most do not. Narcissists are tricky that way. Especially if they're famous. My father is hideous. He's also 83, and I truly wish he were dead or stuck on a remote island, alone. He turned my mother into a angry depressed crazy person who was too afraid to leave him because she had two kids. He tortured my sister and I all our lives. We'd have to "put on a show for his fans our whole lives." Pretend we were AMAZING!! People would gush over how glorious we were.. I'm 58 now. My sister is 61. Were full time caretakers for my dying mother. He refuses to hire ANY extra help, and has dumped it ALL on us. He only sleeps in bed with her, at night. Because, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SLEEP ALONE. She has survived lung cancer, but has dementia. She's bed ridden. It's awful. I've never hated anyone more in my life, but him. He literally makes me SICK. I hope he rots in Hell, soon. No one could ever understand how horrible it is to "owned" by a narcissistic parent.
@@SFVGIRL oh my dear I am so sorry that you've had to endure that. Thank you for sharing your story with us, you sound like a very strong person, and thank God your mother has you and your sister.
@Laurie Hardin you sort of get brainwashed into believing that your life is just not that significant. That's the devaluation part that they pull when you're still young and trying to establish your self-esteem. By far the best expert on this subject is HG Tudor, and he's on utube and available for advice on coping strategies. Best of luck, I hear ya.
April , Same here 😢 and I commiserate with you and all who suffer from parental control/abuse . Seller's case is borderline personality disorder and narcissistic . My mother was cruel , kind , evil , generous , selfish and a Jew who married my father who was Roman Catholic . I'm just 75yrs old 🌹 a mother and grandma but still wonder why Jewish mother's like mine smother their sons . My younger brother committed suicide because of her and the women who considered him a failure with making money 💲 even though he worked hard. It was never enough .
He was like Keith Moon. A person who was extraordinarily gifted in one area, but who couldn't bear the idea that he might be ordinary in every other way.
Keith Moon was very generous and loved by his friends by all accounts. He was an alcoholic, which masked his true disorders bipolar and ADHD. He died from alcohol poisoning as a result of drinking after taking medications to curb his alcohol use.
I had no idea what a monster he was. I was always a fan of the Pink Panther movies he made. I'm a bit gobsmacked. He truly wore a mask to hide his horrendous treatment of those in his life. My heart goes out to those he hurt.
Alas how much sufferings he inflicted on so many people. This completly unsettled man should never, ever have married any woman at all. His son who died very young at 50, wrote a Memoir that spells the control, the explosions of rage and pure dementia this man submitted them to years on and on.
Jerry Lewis was the same way to his first wife and sons. His youngest son Joey died from a drug overdose at 44, and there was a book written by one of his other sons who said similar things about him that he would beat them and say awful things to them. Like Peter, Jerry cut his sons and their kids out of his will, but thankfully his eldest Garry became a musician and forged his own career. No wonder Dean Martin wanted to break up the duo; he was appalled at how Jerry treated his sons compared to Dean, who loved his children deeply and cared for his friends, and why he was more popular than Jerry.
How many people go into a relationship and they notice the red flags but they ignore them probably because at first the red flags look funny and as they go on they really believe they can change the person's problems , but in the long run its the normal person that changes they end up becoming victims without knowing it, never never ignore red flags.
@@whalesong999 It’s a quote written for his episode on the Muppet Show, it probably didn’t represent anything. People use it though because it ironically described him very well anyway
It sounds like his character in "Being there" was the closest to his own. He is one of my favorite actors. A lot of tortured people seem to be drawn to that profession. They can hide inside someone else.
I lived with someone who suffered from bipolar disorder and imo, the disorder can easily be interpreted as malignant narcissism. It leaves a person highly insecure, and they deal with that by being very controlling and at times, cruel. And until you recognize it's a mental disorder, it makes absolutely no sense. At times they're insanely possessive and controlling, and the next they're telling you how they hate you and want to break up. And yes, eventually they destroy what they always feared losing.
Not bipolar traits at all. They tend to mood cycle slower as its a brain morphology physical disability not a personality disorder..its a myth perpetuated by the new term bipolar for manic depressive…maybe your roomate used it as an excuse because they were just a shitty person, ive dealt with bipolars all my life and the only ones that had any rage issues had underlying ptsd, the rest were pretty harmless, even when manic. None had a dr jekyll mr hyde personality, thats a total myth. If your friend had that they had another disorder or untreated ptsd….but its not really a symptom of a seratonin receptor disability which is what bipolar is and why it takes a while to change moods..even rapid cyclers take at least an hour minimum…its usually days. Mania is brought about by stress which leads to poor sleep..bipolars sometimes (often a lot) get faster instead of getting tired like normal people, being awake can make them more awake, its really about energy levels mainly…its not a personality disorder…its physical brain disability..so sleep pattens are very important. Its super important that bipolars dont drink caffeine after 12 ocklock and in psych hospitals its not even allowed. Only decaf drinks..maybe they were ramping up their bipolar with alot of caffiene drinks..coz yeah that could be an issue…im actually generational bipolar and im university educated and pretty successfully with relationships etc..im older now but never had issues like rage and insecurity and possessivness…that sounds straight up textbook narcissism. In which case, yeah they are freaken hard to deal with and quite dangerous to leave…thats the most dangerous time.(i edited my comment because i commented and cant see my other one so dunno what youtube is doing..lol) but yeah sounds straight up you DID deal with a narcissist who played the bipolar card to excuse and get sympathy for their shitty behaviour…wouldnt be the first time a narc had tricked a doctor into giving them a diagnosis for sympathy.
Wow! Didn't know any of this. As well as having bipolar, I would venture to say he also had narcissistic personality disorder. Tragic for those who loved him to not be loved in return, and to suffer mental and emotional abuse. 😢
Narcissistic Personality Disorder can look like hypomania, a form of mood disorder. Hypomania is characterized by a frustration of not achieving mania. This can be directed at others (as scapegoats). That can look like NPD's characteristic "objectification" of others, mere objects to meet the disordered person's needs (overvaluation, devaluation, discard, recycle). They're different in their pathology. But, can look similar in this regard. Borderline Personality Disorder is like a broken NPD. Ns believe their inflated sense of self. They tend to rage internally, and express it coldly. Bs are like an N who can't believe their inflated sense of self anymore. They have the same need to fill, but can't do it the way an N does. They appear more emotionally labile. More vulgarly frustrated, more vulgarly meeting their needs. Unable to regulate their emotional lability. That can look like bipolar. But, bipolar swings occur over more time. Bs can cycle in a matter of minutes. (It's not a mood disorder. Like NPD, BPD is a personality disorder. It's more basic and part of who the person is. The suffix "-ality" means "state of being." Cordiality is a state of being cordial, for example. Personality is the state of being a person. That is disordered. It's not a mood. It's a deficit in one's sense of self.).
The comic who’s lonely and suffering inside - Robin Williams, Danny Kaye, Jonathan Winters. The comic who wants to force people to love him because he’s an abusive jerk - Jerry Lewis. Sellers was apparently both.
Both mental disorders can exist in one person. Narcissists have wild swings of emotion, one being manic: where the person is flying so high that they make crazy, outrageous decisions and have little or no memory of them after the fact. The depression, is characterised by severe lows where they are convinced that they are either the embodiment of evil or that they have been taken over by evil as unwilling victims. Narcissism can affect both states of mind; where the mania is flavoured by the belief that the person is immortal, or are some form of perfect god. That they can do no wrong. In the depressive state, they are victims of the bad/evil will of others in their lives. That they are depressed because (because they are perfect) they are a vessel that someone (or someone's) put all their hatred into because they are jealous of the perfection of the victim, and that other person's bad intent is only because they are not as flawless. Therefore, the depression is because of the "why me? Why did I have to be so perfect that the others noticed me. From now on, I'm going to hide my perfection to keep from being targeted by these evil people. As you see, it is entirely possible for both of these mental illnesses to exist in someone, but it takes years of terrible parenting, a traumatic childhood or a combination of the two.
@@koriw1701 i have been diagnosed by three separate / independent medical professionals as having narcissistic personality disorder and absolutely agree with what you're saying here. i don't know if it's fair to declare myself a 'high functioning' narcissist, but part of my work on myself is to increase awareness of the effect my behaviour has on others. the rage is very much a thing.
I used to accept the account that Peter Sellers was a soul troubled by his inability to know who he really was; actually, though, upon learning about his behavior in detail, it seems to me that many, including the man himself, knew full well who the real Peter Sellers was: a narcissist.
A troubled soul unable to know who he was is the same thing as "a narcissist." Narcissists are like the proverbial short-statured guy who goes through life overly tyrannical, imperious. "Little man's syndrome." Filling a deficiency with over-compensation. To them, it looks normal. There's some level of "everyone does it, why are you calling me bad for doing it. They don't have a frame of reference to see that it's a matter of degrees (and they overdo it). It's like the hard-of-hearing speaking annoyingly too loud. They don't know. It's relative to their perspective. Ns are like that. They fill a whole through others. And, a key feature is resistance to admitting there's a hole, or that they're doing anything different than anyone else. They have a need for an identity (that they lack). They make their own identity based upon an ideal. That leads to counter-dependency, controlling others (everything), getting more from others than others get from the N, objectifying others (with an unstated assumption that everyone objectifies each other, "I'm no different."). There is so much need for identity, and to avoid the truth, and to "try again, maybe it will work this time" that they can't step out of themselves and see that they aren't normal. At a subconcious level they know who they are, and desperately try to be someoene else. Their life habituates that primary motive. Some Ns can eventually see it, and become reconciled (integrated). Some never do (defiant till the end. Usually developing a angry dementia in late life. I think it's less dementia, and more delusion to avoid facing their own mortality/vulnerability. That nothing was what they really thought it was is a hard reality to accept. If it goes that long, I think it turns into an imaginary inward world. Further detached from reality for the sake of preserving the maladaptive life they led.).
@UCEZh8ykTuTJkrzvZkEGr-_A Well, I would defend you, fluffy old bean, against this public castigation. I don't know you, these people don't know you, yet if someone were to say scurrilous things against you, then everyone condemn you it wouldn't be fair would it. That would be harmful ( evil ) gossip. Say some acqauintance of yours called you everything under the Sun, then published it here, or even your brother or lover did it, then that still wouldn't be fair. Let's say your brother recalls a time you tore his teddy bear, then everyone here diagnosed you with narcissistic personality disorder, it just wouldn't be fair. Nobody really knows you do they, not really. We go through life like planets, our minds in space, unable to be touched and really known by another. Now, I like a few things Sellers did, the Goons, a few early films, but it's not about him, I'm saying bad mouthing anyone, esp. a stranger is wrong. Don't you agree?
i think i might be safe enough to reveal at this point that my father knew peter's son very well. they went to school together. what peter did to michael was beyond cruel, it was frankly sadistic mind games that stayed with him his until his death in 2006. to have a child and then disown them like that, with no decent explanation, it's just disgusting. peter sellers was a master craftsman, but in his personal life he was a truly awful human being.
Thanks for sharing that about Sellers. I read a recent biography of his life and he was truly a broken man who made those around him suffer. Awful when it's a child
The Pink Panther movies were released when I was a little girl and I loved them, and then Being There was adored by my parents (and I thought it was interesting, even though I didn't get the profundity of it at the time), but Sellers never sat right with me. When I grew a bit older and heard what a monster he was, it all made sense. Very sad for those who tried to love him.
My mother was a huge fan of Sellers and the Pink Panther Films. She had Narcissistic personality Disorder, and I wonder if Narcissists are attracted to each other, admiring the abuse they heap upon those around them. My whole life I was repulsed by Sellers, I couldn't stand to watch anything he was in as I couldn't Shake the feeling he was a pedophile. I guess my intuition was correct. Trusting our instincts is something we should embrace, they are usually Spot On. Its nice to know others have made the same assessment of this man who gets so much Undeserved praise.
Incapable of love? Incapable of loving himself or loving in general? All of the above? My mom knew him but she never mentioned him. Hmm....Oh, the irony of Being There, a soul guide for Peter.
One famous line that Sellers said often -- including on The Muppet Show. "I can never be myself. There is no me - I do not exist. There USED to be a 'me,' but I had him surgically removed." People absolutely hated working with Peter Sellers because you never knew when he would go wild. He had a lot in common with Blake Edwards, including appreciation of the silent movie style of pantomime, but they later got into an argument and they refused to work together for several years until they did Return of the Pink Panther.
Return put Sellers back on the map after a series of flops. He wrote a script called Romance of The Pink Panther shortly before he died and I believe he planned on directing it himself.
Its frightening how many talented people are so disturbed and even worse then that really sick and cruel to others . It really makes it difficult to watch their work now.
Ok he was a talented actor and comedian. But there is where the compliments end. He only ever cared about himself and was selfish and terrible in the extreme. As one director put it when he had his first heart attack “ to have an attack, first you need to have a heart” He spent his entire life breaking women’s hearts, and treated his children like rubbish. A great unflinching video, but what a horror he was.
If you stop watching movies or reading books because of that, you will definitely stop watching movies and reading books. Humans are humans! And we can do nothing about it.
Having watched many of his films and been so impressed as we all were, this is the first I have heard of mental instability. But I'm not surprised as some of the roles were so zany that you almost believed he wasn't just acting. That kind of comedy seems to have disappeared. And ofcourse Peter Cook from the 1960s as well was also afflicted and drank a great deal as was Graham Chapmen with Monty Python.
As a kid, I loved his movies. I remember reading a book which said how he terrorized his family. I was very young and didn’t understand what the book was saying, but I knew it was critical of him….
Guns at Batasi was directed by John Guillermin, not Richard Attenborough. Dickie did give one of his best performances as the sergeant-major. Mia Farrow replaced Britt Eklund after Sellers obsessed over the risk of his new bride having an affair with pop singer John Leyton, another cast member. 20th Century Fox sued Britt for disrupting the schedule. Not the easiest start to a marriage.
Yeah, that's not BP I. It's a whole blender of Cluster B personality disorders turn to puree. People with Bipolar I do have stretches of normalcy. It's not a continuous train of depression then mania, and nothing inbetween. Doesn't seen Sellers had any period in his life that wasn't a tire fire sprinkled with napalm. That is not BP I.
I love Peter Sellars - he was a comic genius. Unfortunately, I fear his mother helped to create a narcissist. I wonder if he had borderline personality disorder, and not bipolar disorder.
Borderline PD is characterized by labile emotions. Bipolar is labile moods, and cycles more slowly than BPD. Bs can flip from ectasy to rage at the drop of a hat, and then back to ecstasy minutes later. IMO, BPD is like a broken NPD. Ns fill their needs (of no sense of self) by overcompensating (like "little man's syndrome"). They believe their inflated sense of self. They have an inner confidence, and tend to rage internally (expressing it coldly, calculatedly). They objectify people (mere objects to meet the N's needs. Overvaluation -- love bombing, devaluation, discard, recycle). There is a mood disorder called hypomania which can look like NPD. Hypomania is like bipolar but the person is frustrated that they can't reach mania. They can express that frustration to others around them. That can look like an N's overvaluing, devaluing. Borderline looks something like bipolar, but the lability of emotions (not just mood) cycles much more rapidly. A borderline can be emotionally high, then rage in the most vulgar way, then back to emotionally high like it never happened. (Ns can do this too, but again, it tends to be cold affect. Not vulgar raging. The raging is more controlled, hidden. Ns are above that kind of shameful expression of emotion.). B's are like a broken N. Ns compensate for a lack of self by believing themselves to be more (overcompensating). They believe it. They make it work. Bs are like an N who can't make it work. They can't believe grandiosity. Ns disassociate from reality in some way (grandiosity vs reality). Bs disassociate from their emotional lability. They don't have grandiosity, and as a result they can flip from happy to raging, then back like it never happened. (But, that kind of "let's pretend that didn't happen" can be a form of grandiosity, living by different rules, expecting others to indulge the B's vulgar lability, in ability to regulate their emotions). It's all a matter of perspective. The key here is that bipolar or hypomania are mood disorders. Longer cycles. BPD & NPD are personality disorders. Much deeper in one's sense of self (due to a lack of self). The -ality suffix means "state of being." For example, "reality" means the state of being real. Personality is the state of being a person. That more-fundamental disorder is different (more foundational) than mere mood disregulation. A lot of this stuff can look similar. The details make the difference. The movies Fatal Attraction & Welcome To Me are about BPD. The movie "Ordinary People" is about NPD (it's very good). I think of BPD & NPD being differentiated as co-dependency and counter-dependency (respectively). They both lack boundaries in the same way. They're both abusive to other people. But, Bs are co-dependent. Ns are counter-dependent. Bs absorb others. Ns errect a wall and direct others to be who they want them to be (without entanglement). Bs are more vulgarly entangled (vulgar meaning uncalculated, unscripted. They don't gaslight. They expect you to meet their needs and know it already. They don't manipulate you into meeting their needs. They have no sense of boundaries. Ns will cross boundaries more calculatedly to get more than you take. Bs are like a baby you're stuck with. Ns are like a mastermind grifter. They don't see boundaries other than their own.).
@@irisgreene4175 It *is* interesting when you get into the nuances. Another factor (nuance) is that there is an unofficial (yet widely-recognized) form of NPD called "covert" (cNPD). This can look a lot like borderline. The grandiosity/ego (entitlement, self-focus) is hidden (not overt). It's still narcissistic, but stealthy. It's the last thing you'd guess is happening with the person. The mind works the same way, but they are less brave being themselves. More inhibited. They don't believe themselves entirely like an overt N. They kind of know they're not that person, but still have to compensate like that person. A more conflicted N. Similarly, there is a recognized "quiet" or "shy" borderline. These are borderlines who hide their rage, internalize it more. They know they can't blow up all the time. They don't want to be "that person." They hide it.That can look a lot like cNPD (and vice versa). I think cNPD & quiet/shy borderline are the same thing, but reached from different poles. From the little info this video provides, it sounds like Sellers was covert NPD. He doesn't sound like the overt stereotype. He sounds more calculating than a borderline. Buying wardrobe (love bombing) without regard for what the recipient actually wants sounds N. A B wouldn't do that. He doesn't sound labile in emotions (losing control, raging, like a psychotic break. Borderline was named such because it appeared to be "on the border of psychosis."). But, he doesn't sound entirely cold/calculating as a narcissist either. He sounds more glib in some ways. More borderline than N in that sense. Disowning his son sounds narcissist more than borderline, particularly when it was a permanent discard (not labile reaction).
Wowza, another great breakdown. I’ve studied and experienced people on the NPD spectrum EXTENSIVELY, but your descriptions are fantastic and very enlightening. I dated a covert. At first you made me reconsider and wonder if he were more quiet borderline, but now have swung back to covert N primarily - as you pointed out - based on how calculating he was. I dated him briefly and broke it off. Unfortunately, I was between places, and not realizing the extent to how messed up he was, took the opportunity to sleep on his couch for a couple weeks “as friends.” That brief exposure lead to a severe gastrointestinal illness, in retrospect, from the stress. I was forced to not accept a new job, and became trapped for a few months. All the while deteriorating rapidly. At one point I could barely walk, and while waiting for my scheduled endoscopy, was convinced I had some sort of quick moving gastric cancer (I’m an RN, not a hypochondriac, and have a family history of that). I felt like I was in that movie with Kathy Bates and the writer. My family is narcissistic and friends were far away, I physically couldn’t travel, I had nowhere to go. Long story short I called the cops and snuck into a DV shelter for a month while he failed to monitor me (which he was 24/7, but lucky for me he had to leave town for a weekend). He would have killed me, I’m sure of it. He was capable of it, and I saw the signs of him building up to it. He was so unassuming too, he looked very much like Ron Howard, and was only about 5’ 8” and slight in build. Just looked like a “good guy.” He was one of the scariest people I’ve ever known in my life.
I went to the same school as his daughter, Victoria. She really disliked her father immensely. To make your father blow his stack, she would always wear purple everything.
Every mind exists in a world of it's own, built of a menagerie of joys and pains so personal, that they can alienate oneself from the glibness of the collective.
When you're constantly told how great you are by legions of adoring minions it's pretty tough to be humble and kind to those mere mortals who share the same air as you.
Not having a personality outside of roles sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder to me. I'd have been interested on Spike Milligan's insights (if he could be persuaded to be sensible long enough).
AFTER THE FOX is my all time FAVORITE Sellers 🎬 movie. I saw it millions of times. When I was a child, my dad and I would laugh hysterically together watching it.. such good memories. The truth about Sellers is truly DUSTURBING..it dampens my spirit.
Indeed, although bipolar disorder is notoriously difficult for the sufferer, difficult to treat, and often uniquely traumatising for those who love/cohabitate with the afflicted.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 Agree. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder eighteen years ago and prior to taking medication, I was an unpleasant person to live with and my family did suffer right along with me. Been medicated for the past eighteen years and life has sure been a lot better.
Completely agree. He was obviously not a very nice person at times but his family have come to his defence against the more demonising portrayals of him. I also don’t like the amount of armchair psychiatrists in these comments trying to label him as soulless or evil
Ringo Starr worked with Peter on 'The Magic Christian' and noted that Peter was hard to get to know. It would seem to Ringo that they would be getting along great on set and by the end of the day they were best friends. The next day? It was as if yesterday never happened and Ringo would have to get to know him all over again. Whatever camaraderie was established the evening before was entirely gone the next day.
I used to know a lady like that. I used to stop off at this one shop near my house and I got quite friendly with the manager -a tall, slender, dark haired woman-I would come into the store, I'd buy something and we'd have long friendly chats. She seemed like a normal lady for awhile, but then I began to notice she had a weird side to her. I would go into her store, I'd buy something but she began behaving as if she didn't want me there. I was in a cafe once, and as I was walking carrying a tray of food, she happened to be sitting at one of the cafe tables. She looked up, I nodded at her and behaved as if she wanted nothing to do with me. Then a few weeks later I ran into her on the street with her husband. I greeted her (stupid!!!) first she looked away from me, then she said that customers were not allowed to talk to her on the street. I was feeling annoyed so I walked away. After that I stopped going into her store and I avoided her totally. Then about six monthes later I ran into her on the street yet again. I walking down a street and she was walking towards me. I thought :",So what sort of crap is she going to pull now?" Well-this is really really weird-she walked up to me on the street and greeted me with a big smile! She now behaved if we were best friends! I quickly turned and went in the other direction. Then later that night she came on one of my regular chat sites and she sent me a friend request! I ignored it. Now I continue to avoid her and I NEVER shop in her store again. I would say that Mich-the woman I spoke of-no doubt suffers the same bi polar disorder that Peter Sellers did.
It's ironic how in so many cases with so many celebrities, particularly the very talented ones, that the intense drive they had to succeed was also the same thing that pushed them either very close to the edge or over it. Many times they seem to hit a level of dissatisfaction after hitting a peak, like a mountain top with nowhere left to go. Their frustration then gets taken out on the ones they are closest to. Nevertheless, I think Peter Sellers' single (or triple) best work was in Dr. Strangelove. You would hardly know all three characters were the same person.
He was a relative of mine on the Jewish side.. he was amazing talented. But rather fuck up and not a nice man to have a relationship with.. I think every one knew that
Good example why there is merit to the argument, that an artist should be separated from their work. I have some very good memories of watching the Pink Panther films with my parents, but don't really need to know the details of his excentricities.
If Sellers wasn’t talented and made studios lots of money…he would’ve never gotten away with such horrible behavior. This still happens to this day with talented men and women,who are horrible people.
A lot of 'big' aswell as 'ordinary' people are like this. Care and reality check and real personal needs verses addiction especially by 'admirers' needs to be understood as vital for all. This includes probably most modern humans: those who are afraid of whatever left them needy in whatever ways from childhood. Given that most of us as babies do not receive the gentle welcome and care from time of conception... little skin to skin and 24/7 love of all around..with nourishment from nature-mum to mother to all... We are less and less likely to exerience whole and healthy people in supportive connection over life. Our celebrities and 'important' people likely grow up with less authentic connection and more sickness leading to leading parts in the big theatre of modern life which tragically more and more of us buy as real life.
The old expression "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" comes to mind. As an entertainer, he made us all laugh. We all have our personal demons and Sellers was no different. Remember, those were heady times the 60's and add to that drugs like cocaine and you get a recipe for strange behaviour. All we're left with is films like 'The Party' which I enjoy ever time I watch it.
@@redwoods7370 oh sorry , my sister told me he was a double Virgo You certainly know your stars, thank you for the reply, P.s are they a good match? Harry I mean.
Wow that’s really unfair, unkind and a limited perspective of you to just throw that out Maggie The Cat. I am a double Virgo so of course your comment hit a nerve for me. I don’t think astrology is for making blanket statements about any signs…. Scorpios and Geminis for example often stand out as getting a bad wrap. It’s at worst, limiting yourself in life with some sort of tunnel vision. Just to throw it out there, Keanu Reeves is a double Virgo, go figure. Narcissists come in all shapes, sizes, genders and yes, astrology placements.
Why mince words, he couldn't be labeled. A one-of-a-kind freak genious who made the world his oyster --- balls to everyone else, even his son, Ah, Hollywood...!
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Deep rooted personality issues seem to prevail with many screen superstars ! Sad indeed .. his legacy is that he gave to so many fantastic and memorable entertainment and. Immense pleasure - her his own life was no way near providing inner peace and sound stable life ….
He knew who he was: tormented, controlling and hateful. Grass is always greener mentality. But I don't know if he could control his behavior well, if he truly was bipolar.
I just noticed, that all 3 of his most famouse movie characters are people, who by different reasons, but can not fully feel other people emotions. May be lack of empathy lad to need to pretend being someone else, calling him "a man with many voices" and a phrase at Muppet show that real him was "surgicaly removed". I suppose he understood it himself, but for some reason did not ask for professional help. Recently started to read biography, written by his son, and it is really great, that he did not have hature towards father.
Some narcissists are very creative and talented and their mechanism helps them achieve great things. The unfortunate parts are two: their behaviour gets normalized so that normal people go along and also imitate, and they use, abuse, mistreat and manipulate people close to them. It can be very toxic. We would do well to recognize this mechanism at work. In a pretty big way the narcissist is also driven by it, and more often than we think unaware of why they are doing what they do. The mechanism will keep stuff separate or shilded from awareness altogether. I hope this does not get confused with bipolar disorder. Also, in order to know if there is an additional issue of psychopathy you need to know more. Sounds like the person as decribed here, does care what others think of him, though… Sounds like an upbringing with both nature and nurture too when it comes to narcissism…
He seems to me like someone with Borderline Personality Disorder - lack of a firm personal identity, wholly devoted to people in his life until he "split" on them (BPD term). Quickly intense relationships, that went very badly after not such a long time.
I don't see bi-polar in this. I see classic narcissist. Sadly, there are no real treatments for narcissism. Poor Britt. She seemed to get the worst of it & their child next. I lived with a narcissist mother, so I feel much compassion for his victims. He may have been a talented actor, but I have no respect for him. Serial killers can be very charming & charismatic in daily life, afterall.
I feel you are right. My father is a famous piano player. He is also a complete narcissistic sociopathic control freak. Some people know it, most do not. Narcissists are tricky that way. Especially if they're famous. My father is hideous. He's also 83, and I truly wish he were dead or stuck on a remote island, alone. He turned my mother into a angry depressed crazy person who was too afraid to leave him because she had two kids. He tortured my sister and I all our lives. We'd have to "put on a show for his fans our whole lives." Pretend we were AMAZING!! People would gush over how glorious we were.. I'm 58 now. My sister is 61. Were full time caretakers for my dying mother. He refuses to hire ANY extra help, and has dumped it ALL on us. He only sleeps in bed with her, at night. Because, HE DOESN'T WANT TO SLEEP ALONE. She has survived lung cancer, but has dementia. She's bed ridden. It's awful. I've never hated anyone more in my life, but him. He literally makes me SICK. I hope he rots in Hell, soon. No one could ever understand how horrible it is to "owned" by a narcissistic parent.
@@SFVGIRL oh my dear I am so sorry that you've had to endure that. Thank you for sharing your story with us, you sound like a very strong person, and thank God your mother has you and your sister.
@@SFVGIRL - Totally understand. ❤️🩹❤️🩹❤️🩹
@Laurie Hardin you sort of get brainwashed into believing that your life is just not that significant. That's the devaluation part that they pull when you're still young and trying to establish your self-esteem. By far the best expert on this subject is HG Tudor, and he's on utube and available for advice on coping strategies. Best of luck, I hear ya.
April , Same here 😢 and I commiserate with you and all who suffer from parental control/abuse . Seller's case is borderline personality disorder and narcissistic . My mother was cruel , kind , evil , generous , selfish and a Jew who married my father who was Roman Catholic . I'm just 75yrs old 🌹 a mother and grandma but still wonder why Jewish mother's like mine smother their sons . My younger brother committed suicide because of her and the women who considered him a failure with making money 💲 even though he worked hard. It was never enough .
He was like Keith Moon. A person who was extraordinarily gifted in one area, but who couldn't bear the idea that he might be ordinary in every other way.
Keith Moon was ADHD and everyone missed it , he’d still be alive
Poor comparison. By all accounts, Keith Moon was a very kind hearted, generous and lovable man.
Lol! He was extremely ordinary looking. He just had a comic talent.
Keith Moon was very generous and loved by his friends by all accounts. He was an alcoholic, which masked his true disorders bipolar and ADHD. He died from alcohol poisoning as a result of drinking after taking medications to curb his alcohol use.
I had no idea what a monster he was. I was always a fan of the Pink Panther movies he made. I'm a bit gobsmacked. He truly wore a mask to hide his horrendous treatment of those in his life. My heart goes out to those he hurt.
There was a film about his life which covered all of this. Not a nice man.
The party is a classic 👌
Many famous people are/were awful like Charlie chaplain or mother Theresa.
Alas how much sufferings he inflicted on so many people. This completly unsettled man should never, ever have married any woman at all. His son who died very young at 50, wrote a Memoir that spells the control, the explosions of rage and pure dementia this man submitted them to years on and on.
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Jerry Lewis was the same way to his first wife and sons. His youngest son Joey died from a drug overdose at 44, and there was a book written by one of his other sons who said similar things about him that he would beat them and say awful things to them. Like Peter, Jerry cut his sons and their kids out of his will, but thankfully his eldest Garry became a musician and forged his own career. No wonder Dean Martin wanted to break up the duo; he was appalled at how Jerry treated his sons compared to Dean, who loved his children deeply and cared for his friends, and why he was more popular than Jerry.
Every account of Peter Sellers family and colleagues paints him as a truly mean spirited, spiteful and cruel person.
Sellers always gave me the creeps but even as a child, I couldn't quite put my finger on it
He had the same creepy behaviour as JImmy Savile
@@alonzomosley7 I agree, that’s a good observation
How many people go into a relationship and they notice the red flags but they ignore them probably because at first the red flags look funny and as they go on they really believe they can change the person's problems , but in the long run its the normal person that changes they end up becoming victims without knowing it, never never ignore red flags.
"There is no me. I do not exist. There used to be a me, but I had it surgically removed". - Peter Sellers.
"Surgically removed", I wonder just what he meant there. Parenting, maybe? One overbearing, narcissistic parent can be a disaster.
@@whalesong999 It’s a quote written for his episode on the Muppet Show, it probably didn’t represent anything. People use it though because it ironically described him very well anyway
Some of his movies are so funny, but even back then people said things about his behavior.
It sounds like his character in "Being there" was the closest to his own. He is one of my favorite actors. A lot of tortured people seem to be drawn to that profession. They can hide inside someone else.
Exactly. It's very common.
I lived with someone who suffered from bipolar disorder and imo, the disorder can easily be interpreted as malignant narcissism. It leaves a person highly insecure, and they deal with that by being very controlling and at times, cruel. And until you recognize it's a mental disorder, it makes absolutely no sense. At times they're insanely possessive and controlling, and the next they're telling you how they hate you and want to break up. And yes, eventually they destroy what they always feared losing.
Not bipolar traits at all. They tend to mood cycle slower as its a brain morphology physical disability not a personality disorder..its a myth perpetuated by the new term bipolar for manic depressive…maybe your roomate used it as an excuse because they were just a shitty person, ive dealt with bipolars all my life and the only ones that had any rage issues had underlying ptsd, the rest were pretty harmless, even when manic. None had a dr jekyll mr hyde personality, thats a total myth. If your friend had that they had another disorder or untreated ptsd….but its not really a symptom of a seratonin receptor disability which is what bipolar is and why it takes a while to change moods..even rapid cyclers take at least an hour minimum…its usually days. Mania is brought about by stress which leads to poor sleep..bipolars sometimes (often a lot) get faster instead of getting tired like normal people, being awake can make them more awake, its really about energy levels mainly…its not a personality disorder…its physical brain disability..so sleep pattens are very important. Its super important that bipolars dont drink caffeine after 12 ocklock and in psych hospitals its not even allowed. Only decaf drinks..maybe they were ramping up their bipolar with alot of caffiene drinks..coz yeah that could be an issue…im actually generational bipolar and im university educated and pretty successfully with relationships etc..im older now but never had issues like rage and insecurity and possessivness…that sounds straight up textbook narcissism. In which case, yeah they are freaken hard to deal with and quite dangerous to leave…thats the most dangerous time.(i edited my comment because i commented and cant see my other one so dunno what youtube is doing..lol) but yeah sounds straight up you DID deal with a narcissist who played the bipolar card to excuse and get sympathy for their shitty behaviour…wouldnt be the first time a narc had tricked a doctor into giving them a diagnosis for sympathy.
Think Peter had BPD more then bipolar but could have had both
I have bipolar disorder, and although it makes life difficult, it doesn't make one an arsehole
Wow! Didn't know any of this. As well as having bipolar, I would venture to say he also had narcissistic personality disorder. Tragic for those who loved him to not be loved in return, and to suffer mental and emotional abuse. 😢
I agree with you. It does sound like he was a Narcissist as they are sadistic.
Neither did I. It's mindblowing.
Definitely NPD.
Narcissistic Personality Disorder can look like hypomania, a form of mood disorder. Hypomania is characterized by a frustration of not achieving mania. This can be directed at others (as scapegoats). That can look like NPD's characteristic "objectification" of others, mere objects to meet the disordered person's needs (overvaluation, devaluation, discard, recycle). They're different in their pathology. But, can look similar in this regard.
Borderline Personality Disorder is like a broken NPD. Ns believe their inflated sense of self. They tend to rage internally, and express it coldly. Bs are like an N who can't believe their inflated sense of self anymore. They have the same need to fill, but can't do it the way an N does. They appear more emotionally labile. More vulgarly frustrated, more vulgarly meeting their needs. Unable to regulate their emotional lability. That can look like bipolar. But, bipolar swings occur over more time. Bs can cycle in a matter of minutes. (It's not a mood disorder. Like NPD, BPD is a personality disorder. It's more basic and part of who the person is. The suffix "-ality" means "state of being." Cordiality is a state of being cordial, for example. Personality is the state of being a person. That is disordered. It's not a mood. It's a deficit in one's sense of self.).
The combination of those two disorders is called ‘Malignant Narcissism’. Pretty fitting, eh? 😬
The comic who’s lonely and suffering inside - Robin Williams, Danny Kaye, Jonathan Winters. The comic who wants to force people to love him because he’s an abusive jerk - Jerry Lewis. Sellers was apparently both.
Well said😊
The tragi-comic mask 🎭
Though one comic I knew was a kind and a dear heart through and through. That was David Brenner.
John Winters?
@@shivani41 And there have been famous comics who were quite okay, like John Cleese and Mike Nichols.
@@ricardocantoral7672 Nope, Jonathan. Google him. Hilarious!
He sounds more like a narcissist than bipolar.
Agreed
Same here. I think narcissism gets confused as bipolar.
Both mental disorders can exist in one person. Narcissists have wild swings of emotion, one being manic: where the person is flying so high that they make crazy, outrageous decisions and have little or no memory of them after the fact. The depression, is characterised by severe lows where they are convinced that they are either the embodiment of evil or that they have been taken over by evil as unwilling victims.
Narcissism can affect both states of mind; where the mania is flavoured by the belief that the person is immortal, or are some form of perfect god. That they can do no wrong. In the depressive state, they are victims of the bad/evil will of others in their lives. That they are depressed because (because they are perfect) they are a vessel that someone (or someone's) put all their hatred into because they are jealous of the perfection of the victim, and that other person's bad intent is only because they are not as flawless. Therefore, the depression is because of the "why me? Why did I have to be so perfect that the others noticed me. From now on, I'm going to hide my perfection to keep from being targeted by these evil people.
As you see, it is entirely possible for both of these mental illnesses to exist in someone, but it takes years of terrible parenting, a traumatic childhood or a combination of the two.
Agreed
@@koriw1701 i have been diagnosed by three separate / independent medical professionals as having narcissistic personality disorder and absolutely agree with what you're saying here. i don't know if it's fair to declare myself a 'high functioning' narcissist, but part of my work on myself is to increase awareness of the effect my behaviour has on others. the rage is very much a thing.
I used to accept the account that Peter Sellers was a soul troubled by his inability to know who he really was; actually, though, upon learning about his behavior in detail, it seems to me that many, including the man himself, knew full well who the real Peter Sellers was: a narcissist.
A troubled soul unable to know who he was is the same thing as "a narcissist." Narcissists are like the proverbial short-statured guy who goes through life overly tyrannical, imperious. "Little man's syndrome." Filling a deficiency with over-compensation. To them, it looks normal. There's some level of "everyone does it, why are you calling me bad for doing it. They don't have a frame of reference to see that it's a matter of degrees (and they overdo it). It's like the hard-of-hearing speaking annoyingly too loud. They don't know. It's relative to their perspective.
Ns are like that. They fill a whole through others. And, a key feature is resistance to admitting there's a hole, or that they're doing anything different than anyone else. They have a need for an identity (that they lack). They make their own identity based upon an ideal. That leads to counter-dependency, controlling others (everything), getting more from others than others get from the N, objectifying others (with an unstated assumption that everyone objectifies each other, "I'm no different."). There is so much need for identity, and to avoid the truth, and to "try again, maybe it will work this time" that they can't step out of themselves and see that they aren't normal. At a subconcious level they know who they are, and desperately try to be someoene else. Their life habituates that primary motive. Some Ns can eventually see it, and become reconciled (integrated). Some never do (defiant till the end. Usually developing a angry dementia in late life. I think it's less dementia, and more delusion to avoid facing their own mortality/vulnerability. That nothing was what they really thought it was is a hard reality to accept. If it goes that long, I think it turns into an imaginary inward world. Further detached from reality for the sake of preserving the maladaptive life they led.).
Let he who is without sin cast the first stone
@@sophiafake-virus2456 oh relax. He wasn’t condemning Peter. He was just making an observation. Peter was a damn narcissist.
@@HausOfAdonis Everyone is a psychiatrist
@UCEZh8ykTuTJkrzvZkEGr-_A Well, I would defend you, fluffy old bean, against this public castigation. I don't know you, these people don't know you, yet if someone were to say scurrilous things against you, then everyone condemn you it wouldn't be fair would it. That would be harmful ( evil ) gossip.
Say some acqauintance of yours called you everything under the Sun, then published it here, or even your brother or lover did it, then that still wouldn't be fair. Let's say your brother recalls a time you tore his teddy bear, then everyone here diagnosed you with narcissistic personality disorder, it just wouldn't be fair.
Nobody really knows you do they, not really. We go through life like planets, our minds in space, unable to be touched and really known by another.
Now, I like a few things Sellers did, the Goons, a few early films, but it's not about him, I'm saying bad mouthing anyone, esp. a stranger is wrong.
Don't you agree?
A narcissist in Hollywood? I am truly shocked.
Hahaha
You gave me a laugh I haven't experienced in awhile. Much appreciated!
Lolll truuue
i think i might be safe enough to reveal at this point that my father knew peter's son very well. they went to school together. what peter did to michael was beyond cruel, it was frankly sadistic mind games that stayed with him his until his death in 2006. to have a child and then disown them like that, with no decent explanation, it's just disgusting. peter sellers was a master craftsman, but in his personal life he was a truly awful human being.
Thanks for sharing that about Sellers. I read a recent biography of his life and he was truly a broken man who made those around him suffer. Awful when it's a child
It is called narcissism...
@@sophiafake-virus2456 Lest, dear. Not let.
@@sophiafake-virus2456 Glad you took it that way as it was intended to mirror the sentiment of your comment. You're welcome
@@sophiafake-virus2456 so we should not judge murderers? Pedophiles? I'm fine with my comparably mild faults being judged relative to many others...
5:41 He literally tried to sabotage her career as an act of coercive control. What an utterly horrible 'human being'.
The Pink Panther movies were released when I was a little girl and I loved them, and then Being There was adored by my parents (and I thought it was interesting, even though I didn't get the profundity of it at the time), but Sellers never sat right with me. When I grew a bit older and heard what a monster he was, it all made sense. Very sad for those who tried to love him.
You know something similar. I laughed at the movies..the scenes but I never liked Sellers face. I wished another actor was doing the funny scenes.
My mother was a huge fan of Sellers and the Pink Panther Films. She had Narcissistic personality Disorder, and I wonder if Narcissists are attracted to each other, admiring the abuse they heap upon those around them.
My whole life I was repulsed by Sellers, I couldn't stand to watch anything he was in as I couldn't Shake the feeling he was a pedophile. I guess my intuition was correct. Trusting our instincts is something we should embrace, they are usually Spot On.
Its nice to know others have made the same assessment of this man who gets so much Undeserved praise.
Incapable of love? Incapable of loving himself or loving in general? All of the above? My mom knew him but she never mentioned him. Hmm....Oh, the irony of Being There, a soul guide for Peter.
Unless he was also incapable of gardening
Ego and narcissism catch them out as they age .
One famous line that Sellers said often -- including on The Muppet Show. "I can never be myself. There is no me - I do not exist. There USED to be a 'me,' but I had him surgically removed."
People absolutely hated working with Peter Sellers because you never knew when he would go wild. He had a lot in common with Blake Edwards, including appreciation of the silent movie style of pantomime, but they later got into an argument and they refused to work together for several years until they did Return of the Pink Panther.
Return put Sellers back on the map after a series of flops. He wrote a script called Romance of The Pink Panther shortly before he died and I believe he planned on directing it himself.
He sounds like a nightmare to live with.
Its frightening how many talented people are so disturbed and even worse then that really sick and cruel to others . It really makes it difficult to watch their work now.
Ian Curtis was another one of those for sure.
Ok he was a talented actor and comedian. But there is where the compliments end. He only ever cared about himself and was selfish and terrible in the extreme. As one director put it when he had his first heart attack “ to have an attack, first you need to have a heart” He spent his entire life breaking women’s hearts, and treated his children like rubbish. A great unflinching video, but what a horror he was.
lol
Wrong
Did you know him personally?
@@valeriemacphail9180 did you?
That director sounds heartless
How odd that a man without a soul died from a heart attack
Once I leaned about his narcissism and the truth, I stopped watching any of his movies. What an evil person. Bi polar no. Abusive narcissist yes.
Hello how’re you doing?
If you stop watching movies or reading books because of that, you will definitely stop watching movies and reading books.
Humans are humans! And we can do nothing about it.
There is such a thing as being a rotten, evil person.
Nobody is perfect! He was the best comedian ever and his private life is his own problem.
Nobody is perfect only covers so much. Makes it sound like he spilled a glass of milk.
Having watched many of his films and been so impressed as we all were, this is the first I have heard of mental instability. But I'm not surprised as some of the roles were so zany that you almost believed he wasn't just acting. That kind of comedy seems to have disappeared.
And ofcourse Peter Cook from the 1960s as well was also afflicted and drank a great deal as was Graham Chapmen with Monty Python.
As a kid, I loved his movies. I remember reading a book which said how he terrorized his family. I was very young and didn’t understand what the book was saying, but I knew it was critical of him….
Sounds like a narcissist. He always seemed cold to me as an actor, no heart.
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may have had boarderline personality disorder. Dated a girl like that once. Called her Carolyn the Chameleon. A real roller coaster ride.
Guns at Batasi was directed by John Guillermin, not Richard Attenborough. Dickie did give one of his best performances as the sergeant-major.
Mia Farrow replaced Britt Eklund after Sellers obsessed over the risk of his new bride having an affair with pop singer John Leyton, another cast member. 20th Century Fox sued Britt for disrupting the schedule. Not the easiest start to a marriage.
I have bipolar 1 and what you describe sounds nothing like I deal with.
Yeah, that's not BP I.
It's a whole blender of Cluster B personality disorders turn to puree.
People with Bipolar I do have stretches of normalcy. It's not a continuous train of depression then mania, and nothing inbetween.
Doesn't seen Sellers had any period in his life that wasn't a tire fire sprinkled with napalm. That is not BP I.
Oh! Do you mean he needed a heart valve operation? sad. Liza Minelli had the common sense to break off the engagement with him.
I love Peter Sellars - he was a comic genius. Unfortunately, I fear his mother helped to create a narcissist. I wonder if he had borderline personality disorder, and not bipolar disorder.
exactly, his father must of been extremely abusive as well. The alchoholism just made the problem worse by destroying his hippacampus over time.
Borderline PD is characterized by labile emotions. Bipolar is labile moods, and cycles more slowly than BPD. Bs can flip from ectasy to rage at the drop of a hat, and then back to ecstasy minutes later. IMO, BPD is like a broken NPD. Ns fill their needs (of no sense of self) by overcompensating (like "little man's syndrome"). They believe their inflated sense of self. They have an inner confidence, and tend to rage internally (expressing it coldly, calculatedly). They objectify people (mere objects to meet the N's needs. Overvaluation -- love bombing, devaluation, discard, recycle).
There is a mood disorder called hypomania which can look like NPD. Hypomania is like bipolar but the person is frustrated that they can't reach mania. They can express that frustration to others around them. That can look like an N's overvaluing, devaluing.
Borderline looks something like bipolar, but the lability of emotions (not just mood) cycles much more rapidly. A borderline can be emotionally high, then rage in the most vulgar way, then back to emotionally high like it never happened. (Ns can do this too, but again, it tends to be cold affect. Not vulgar raging. The raging is more controlled, hidden. Ns are above that kind of shameful expression of emotion.). B's are like a broken N. Ns compensate for a lack of self by believing themselves to be more (overcompensating). They believe it. They make it work. Bs are like an N who can't make it work. They can't believe grandiosity. Ns disassociate from reality in some way (grandiosity vs reality). Bs disassociate from their emotional lability. They don't have grandiosity, and as a result they can flip from happy to raging, then back like it never happened. (But, that kind of "let's pretend that didn't happen" can be a form of grandiosity, living by different rules, expecting others to indulge the B's vulgar lability, in ability to regulate their emotions). It's all a matter of perspective.
The key here is that bipolar or hypomania are mood disorders. Longer cycles. BPD & NPD are personality disorders. Much deeper in one's sense of self (due to a lack of self). The -ality suffix means "state of being." For example, "reality" means the state of being real. Personality is the state of being a person. That more-fundamental disorder is different (more foundational) than mere mood disregulation. A lot of this stuff can look similar. The details make the difference. The movies Fatal Attraction & Welcome To Me are about BPD. The movie "Ordinary People" is about NPD (it's very good).
I think of BPD & NPD being differentiated as co-dependency and counter-dependency (respectively). They both lack boundaries in the same way. They're both abusive to other people. But, Bs are co-dependent. Ns are counter-dependent. Bs absorb others. Ns errect a wall and direct others to be who they want them to be (without entanglement). Bs are more vulgarly entangled (vulgar meaning uncalculated, unscripted. They don't gaslight. They expect you to meet their needs and know it already. They don't manipulate you into meeting their needs. They have no sense of boundaries. Ns will cross boundaries more calculatedly to get more than you take. Bs are like a baby you're stuck with. Ns are like a mastermind grifter. They don't see boundaries other than their own.).
That’s one helluva break down and so interesting, thank you
@@irisgreene4175 It *is* interesting when you get into the nuances. Another factor (nuance) is that there is an unofficial (yet widely-recognized) form of NPD called "covert" (cNPD). This can look a lot like borderline. The grandiosity/ego (entitlement, self-focus) is hidden (not overt). It's still narcissistic, but stealthy. It's the last thing you'd guess is happening with the person. The mind works the same way, but they are less brave being themselves. More inhibited. They don't believe themselves entirely like an overt N. They kind of know they're not that person, but still have to compensate like that person. A more conflicted N.
Similarly, there is a recognized "quiet" or "shy" borderline. These are borderlines who hide their rage, internalize it more. They know they can't blow up all the time. They don't want to be "that person." They hide it.That can look a lot like cNPD (and vice versa).
I think cNPD & quiet/shy borderline are the same thing, but reached from different poles.
From the little info this video provides, it sounds like Sellers was covert NPD. He doesn't sound like the overt stereotype. He sounds more calculating than a borderline. Buying wardrobe (love bombing) without regard for what the recipient actually wants sounds N. A B wouldn't do that. He doesn't sound labile in emotions (losing control, raging, like a psychotic break. Borderline was named such because it appeared to be "on the border of psychosis."). But, he doesn't sound entirely cold/calculating as a narcissist either. He sounds more glib in some ways. More borderline than N in that sense. Disowning his son sounds narcissist more than borderline, particularly when it was a permanent discard (not labile reaction).
Wowza, another great breakdown. I’ve studied and experienced people on the NPD spectrum EXTENSIVELY, but your descriptions are fantastic and very enlightening.
I dated a covert. At first you made me reconsider and wonder if he were more quiet borderline, but now have swung back to covert N primarily - as you pointed out - based on how calculating he was.
I dated him briefly and broke it off. Unfortunately, I was between places, and not realizing the extent to how messed up he was, took the opportunity to sleep on his couch for a couple weeks “as friends.”
That brief exposure lead to a severe gastrointestinal illness, in retrospect, from the stress. I was forced to not accept a new job, and became trapped for a few months. All the while deteriorating rapidly. At one point I could barely walk, and while waiting for my scheduled endoscopy, was convinced I had some sort of quick moving gastric cancer (I’m an RN, not a hypochondriac, and have a family history of that).
I felt like I was in that movie with Kathy Bates and the writer. My family is narcissistic and friends were far away, I physically couldn’t travel, I had nowhere to go.
Long story short I called the cops and snuck into a DV shelter for a month while he failed to monitor me (which he was 24/7, but lucky for me he had to leave town for a weekend).
He would have killed me, I’m sure of it. He was capable of it, and I saw the signs of him building up to it. He was so unassuming too, he looked very much like Ron Howard, and was only about 5’ 8” and slight in build. Just looked like a “good guy.” He was one of the scariest people I’ve ever known in my life.
I went to the same school as his daughter, Victoria. She really disliked her father immensely. To make your father blow his stack, she would always wear purple everything.
I really hate to hear this. I adored him till the day he died.I was devastated.
Me too!!!!
you should consider looking into the relationship between peter sellers, and Princess Margaret.
Every mind exists in a world of it's own, built of a menagerie of joys and pains so personal, that they can alienate oneself from the glibness of the collective.
When you're constantly told how great you are by legions of adoring minions it's pretty tough to be humble and kind to those mere mortals who share the same air as you.
Not having a personality outside of roles sounds like Borderline Personality Disorder to me. I'd have been interested on Spike Milligan's insights (if he could be persuaded to be sensible long enough).
Spike went off the tracks in a big way…….
Narcissistic people dont have a core personality either
He played his Uke and sang "New York Girls," with Steeleye Span.
AFTER THE FOX is my all time FAVORITE Sellers 🎬 movie. I saw it millions of times.
When I was a child, my dad and I would laugh hysterically together watching it.. such good memories.
The truth about Sellers is truly DUSTURBING..it dampens my spirit.
Thanks for posting this. I haven’t thought about him nor seen his movies since my 20s!
What goes on in families is their own business. Mental illness is painful for the sufferer and their loved ones.
Indeed, although bipolar disorder is notoriously difficult for the sufferer, difficult to treat, and often uniquely traumatising for those who love/cohabitate with the afflicted.
@@anhedonianepiphany5588 Agree. I was diagnosed with bipolar disorder eighteen years ago and prior to taking medication, I was an unpleasant person to live with and my family did suffer right along with me. Been medicated for the past eighteen years and life has sure been a lot better.
Completely agree. He was obviously not a very nice person at times but his family have come to his defence against the more demonising portrayals of him. I also don’t like the amount of armchair psychiatrists in these comments trying to label him as soulless or evil
Not just their families...they infect whomever crosses their path, depending on their delusion that day
I like tortured souls. I am one😢 my guess is Peter had alot of unhealed childhood traumas. If only he put the effort he put into acting into healing.
I saw a biopica few years back with Geoffrey Rush as Sellers. Brilliant work, worth checking out. ✔️
My “fav” was I LOvE you Alice B . Toklas,…never laughed so hard in my life!!!
A sad bit of business indeed.
Classic borderline personality disorder: fear of abandonment, love-bombing, controlling behavior, unable to settle on an identity, insecure.
NPD with borderline and who knows what other disorders thrown in...
I don't care how miserable he was or made anyone else. Peter Sellers amused me as a youth
...and it's all about you, eh????
Why do they say Peter had several personalities? he was acting like a typical selfish narcissistic man
The Mouse that Roared was hilarious but I never cared for Sellers. He always seemed so annoying. Why he had children is bwyong me. Classic narcissist
Poor Britt & Vicky.
He also sounds like he may have had some narcissistic personality disorder
Ringo Starr worked with Peter on 'The Magic Christian' and noted that Peter was hard to get to know. It would seem to Ringo that they would be getting along great on set and by the end of the day they were best friends. The next day? It was as if yesterday never happened and Ringo would have to get to know him all over again. Whatever camaraderie was established the evening before was entirely gone the next day.
BPD/NPD
Personnality disorder. Troubled identity and behaviour
I used to know a lady like that. I used to stop off at this one shop near my house and I got quite friendly with the manager -a tall, slender, dark haired woman-I would come into the store, I'd buy something and we'd have long friendly chats. She seemed like a normal lady for awhile, but then I began to notice she had a weird side to her. I would go into her store, I'd buy something but she began behaving as if she didn't want me there. I was in a cafe once, and as I was walking carrying a tray of food, she happened to be sitting at one of the cafe tables. She looked up, I nodded at her and behaved as if she wanted nothing to do with me. Then a few weeks later I ran into her on the street with her husband. I greeted her (stupid!!!) first she looked away from me, then she said that customers were not allowed to talk to her on the street. I was feeling annoyed so I walked away. After that I stopped going into her store and I avoided her totally. Then about six monthes later I ran into her on the street yet again. I walking down a street and she was walking towards me. I thought :",So what sort of crap is she going to pull now?" Well-this is really really weird-she walked up to me on the street and greeted me with a big smile! She now behaved if we were best friends! I quickly turned and went in the other direction. Then later that night she came on one of my regular chat sites and she sent me a friend request! I ignored it. Now I continue to avoid her and I NEVER shop in her store again. I would say that Mich-the woman I spoke of-no doubt suffers the same bi polar disorder that Peter Sellers did.
It's ironic how in so many cases with so many celebrities, particularly the very talented ones, that the intense drive they had to succeed was also the same thing that pushed them either very close to the edge or over it. Many times they seem to hit a level of dissatisfaction after hitting a peak, like a mountain top with nowhere left to go. Their frustration then gets taken out on the ones they are closest to. Nevertheless, I think Peter Sellers' single (or triple) best work was in Dr. Strangelove. You would hardly know all three characters were the same person.
No bipolar! He was a classic malignant narcissist all the way to his total lack of an authentic personality…what a jerk!
Wow Peter had very strong narcissistic traits.😲
He was a relative of mine on the Jewish side.. he was amazing talented. But rather fuck up and not a nice man to have a relationship with.. I think every one knew that
Good example why there is merit to the argument, that an artist should be separated from their work. I have some very good memories of watching the Pink Panther films with my parents, but don't really need to know the details of his excentricities.
If Sellers wasn’t talented and made studios lots of money…he would’ve never gotten away with such horrible behavior. This still happens to this day with talented men and women,who are horrible people.
A lot of 'big' aswell as 'ordinary' people are like this.
Care and reality check and real personal needs verses addiction especially by 'admirers' needs to be understood as vital for all. This includes probably most modern humans: those who are afraid of whatever left them needy in whatever ways from childhood.
Given that most of us as babies do not receive the gentle welcome and care from time of conception... little skin to skin and 24/7 love of all around..with nourishment from nature-mum to mother to all...
We are less and less likely to exerience whole and healthy people in supportive connection over life.
Our celebrities and 'important' people likely grow up with less authentic connection and more sickness leading to leading parts in the big theatre of modern life which tragically more and more of us buy as real life.
His daughter was somehow mixed up in the Heidi Fleiss stuff in the 90s
The old expression "Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater" comes to mind. As an entertainer, he made us all laugh. We all have our personal demons and Sellers was no different. Remember, those were heady times the 60's and add to that drugs like cocaine and you get a recipe for strange behaviour. All we're left with is films like 'The Party' which I enjoy ever time I watch it.
I love his performances...but I can imagine that those in close personal contact....suffered hell and constant mayhem...
So Manson would have been more acceptable if he had had a better sense of humor? Entertainment value means jack in my book.
@@irisgreene4175 I will admit...Marilyn Manson has always had a rather ODD sense of humour...hellofva musician 🎶tho!😁
I love the Movie, The Party. I own it! He was so funny! It is such a shame to find out about someone you admired turned out to be an awful person!
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He was sick and abused people brutally knowing full well he was an a,hole
What has happened to his daughter? Not a word mentioned. Odd.
Oh, My Lord!
Didn't know this!!!
Great content. Cool channel. Subbed.
bipolar is definitely showing in this behavior. I have seen it in person I knew for 25 years.
My word!
I knew Victoria and thank god she had a step dad because he really was an asshole to her.
Sellers did not enlist in the Army during World War Two. He joined the Royal Air Force.
I’m an American…. it’s a sloppy habit to use “army” interchangeably with “military”
He was a double Virgo. Virgos can be very cold and selfish. Not warm people.
Isn’t the ex prince Harry a double Virgo?
Harry is Virgo sun, moon in Taurus and Capricorn rising.
@@redwoods7370 oh sorry , my sister told me he was a double Virgo
You certainly know your stars, thank you for the reply,
P.s are they a good match? Harry I mean.
@@redwoods7370, can’t believe he’s got no fire sign figuring prominently.
Wow that’s really unfair, unkind and a limited perspective of you to just throw that out Maggie The Cat. I am a double Virgo so of course your comment hit a nerve for me. I don’t think astrology is for making blanket statements about any signs…. Scorpios and Geminis for example often stand out as getting a bad wrap. It’s at worst, limiting yourself in life with some sort of tunnel vision. Just to throw it out there, Keanu Reeves is a double Virgo, go figure. Narcissists come in all shapes, sizes, genders and yes, astrology placements.
Why mince words, he couldn't be labeled. A one-of-a-kind freak genious who made the world his oyster --- balls to everyone else, even his son, Ah, Hollywood...!
There's always a good reason not to meet your heroes
Narcissists are awful people
Crikey, I heard he had problems but I never knew it was this bad.
Mentally ill. I remember when he died...we all felt badly. But then I learned how angry he was. He hurt a lot of people....
BPD it sounds like too
Never did more talent reside in such a flawed person!
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Deep rooted personality issues seem to prevail with many screen superstars ! Sad indeed .. his legacy is that he gave to so many fantastic and memorable entertainment and. Immense pleasure - her his own life was no way near providing inner peace and sound stable life ….
So basically this video says that one of the most beloved actors of all time was a total piece of s*** in his personal life.
He sounds like Phil Spector
My stepdad was a control freak so this issue isn’t limited to the rich and famous. I’m still a fan of his filmography.
He knew who he was: tormented, controlling and hateful. Grass is always greener mentality. But I don't know if he could control his behavior well, if he truly was bipolar.
Sellers was a brilliant Actor.
He was evil just evil
SHE looked like his Grand Daughter...
I just noticed, that all 3 of his most famouse movie characters are people, who by different reasons, but can not fully feel other people emotions. May be lack of empathy lad to need to pretend being someone else, calling him "a man with many voices" and a phrase at Muppet show that real him was "surgicaly removed". I suppose he understood it himself, but for some reason did not ask for professional help.
Recently started to read biography, written by his son, and it is really great, that he did not have hature towards father.
Bummer.
Cocaine is a helluva drug.
Some narcissists are very creative and talented and their mechanism helps them achieve great things. The unfortunate parts are two: their behaviour gets normalized so that normal people go along and also imitate, and they use, abuse, mistreat and manipulate people close to them. It can be very toxic. We would do well to recognize this mechanism at work. In a pretty big way the narcissist is also driven by it, and more often than we think unaware of why they are doing what they do. The mechanism will keep stuff separate or shilded from awareness altogether.
I hope this does not get confused with bipolar disorder. Also, in order to know if there is an additional issue of psychopathy you need to know more. Sounds like the person as decribed here, does care what others think of him, though… Sounds like an upbringing with both nature and nurture too when it comes to narcissism…
Funny characters though💜
He seems to me like someone with Borderline Personality Disorder - lack of a firm personal identity, wholly devoted to people in his life until he "split" on them (BPD term). Quickly intense relationships, that went very badly after not such a long time.
So what? He left us some great movies. No need to dissect his private life.
There is a bio pic of Peter Sellers life, its good.
HE WAS A ABSOLUTE NUT CASE 💯
I think I saw a pic of Philip Ahn in there.