That was NOT ur fault. U had an official judge give u the clear it is THEIR job to see that stuff and point it out. They shouldn't have made u restart the game cause it was THEIR fault NOT YOURS.
@deivisnx he clearly did know the rules and checked his build, he over looked something and that's fine cause he is human and mistakes happen. Hell ever the judge didn't see it and made this mistake but he shouldn't have to restart if the judge also didn't see it sense that's his main job while Aaron has to do team leader shit and play the game.
Yes like, required to play without sound and needing to throw the shack pallets as the 1st one, i don't understand why ?.... Banning perks combo is also strange because there are already perks that are banned, it's too much...
Fr. I mean what is with those random banned perks like lightborn? It’s legit as if they put all the perks on a spinner and decided to ban whichever one they got.
Honestly I think the Pain res/ Deadlock combo being banned was dumb in the first place. Pain res was nerfed to only work 4 times in a match and only if you hook each survivor. It's not the massive powerhouse it was before.
Yup. These tournaments are always "we don't actually want to play DBD. We just want to use the frame work to make our own unbalanced game because playing ACTUAL DBD isn't fun"
Frankly, this was on the mods for not checking properly. To punish you for their mistake, which THEY should have caught is, pardon my french, pure horse shit.
@@AaronDukeYT Well to be fair, you wouldn't have gone in with the banned combo if the moderator did their job. I understand that people make mistakes and fault falls on both you for not reading the rules properly and the mods for providing you with a false verification for your build. The game should have been reset with no points deducted from either side, maybe even having match postponed for renewed preplanning as both teams now know of each others strategies.
Yes, it was on you to know the rules, but it was also on the moderator to know the rules. While one could say ignorance is no excuse, that still is unfair that the moderators allowed you through with the build, then punished you for it. As others have said, they should have just reset the match with no penalties due to it being approved by the moderator. Joint mistake deserves joint blame.
@@AaronDukeYT Your attitude is commendable, but I disagree. Sure, you hold a modicum of blame for this, but it primarily boils down to the officials of the tournament failing to actually check your build. You were told two different rules because of this. Whereas the written rules say that it wasn't allowed, the officials told you it was. You trusted the official, who was obligated to inform you that your build was illegal. You are a contestant, you are not expected to make no mistake. People make accidents, but as an official, they should do everything possible to correct others' accidents, and prevent their own. They failed on both of those marks.
Aside from who was to blame, I don't see why points were taken off if the match was restarted. If the fault was only with you then sure, but since they were also very much to blame and the match essentially 'didn't happen', it doesn't make any sense to take off points.
As a person outside looking in it is both the fault of the contestant and the person who approved the build. Guy looked at the sign but didn't read carefully enough and the checker approved it without double and triple checking to be sure he didn't approve on an illegal combination of skills.
This is why rules in tournaments are a slippery slope which make things way too complicated. I’m not gonna rage or be mad at the organizers. Nothing good would come from that. I just hope they learn from this and organize this better the next time they host a charity event.
@@AaronDukeYT im pretty sure the rules were meant to be painful and plentiful due to them comparing it to children who had to go through cancer. It was ambitious to say the least though. Cool idea but it was bad on both sides. It wasnt just you i know there was multiple instances of this whole 'check perks approved banned perks'
@@AaronDukeYT There should be no rules that are not "don't hack, don't exploit". Everything else not actually playing DBD and at that point they should just pick a different game.
So what I'm getting is its a failure to communicate on both their parts they didn't read your perk list and cleared you but rather than admit fault they threw you under the bus and because of that you and your team suffered. I wouldn't seek justice because the tournament itself just gives off vibes of being poorly handled and supervised I wouldn't go to anything organized by them again. In fact I'd just see this experience as references for the types of tournaments to avoid if this is how they operate.
They all definitely acknowledged their mistakes and apologised profusely for what happened :) But all in all, the blame fell in multiple places, and I had to take my part of it as well :)
@@AaronDukeYT well that's simply bs. No blame should be placed on you once they cleared your build. After that as long as you actually pick the build you said you would use it's no longer your fault. That mod was clearly not educated on the rules, or even the game as he kept saying that pop(pop goes the weasel)/deadlock was banned when you were using deadlock/sh:pr (which was banned yes, but he said you could use it)
I agree that the team shouldn't have had that count because once a verifier approves something and says, "this is within the rules," the responsibility is on them. So just act like the match didn't happen. You don't get negative points for "breaking the rules"
@@Iilah-ah Yea, I noticed that too.... Reminds me of back when I used to play Werewolf the Apocalypse on the official White Wolf chat forums and they had this head moderator was this guy, lets call him V. V made al these weird AF rulings, but as the Head Storyteller approved by White Wolf, he had that right. After I and many others quit due to his rulings (m character quit because she had been initially approved to have a special magic weapon specific to her tribe, but later he decided that they were taking all our weapons away... when I pointed out that my character would be betraying her tribe if she let anyone other than a member of her tribe to touch the weapon unless it was blade first, he didn't care... they took it anyway and.... no elder members of my tribe would be showing up to take custody of the weapon as I requested.) It was a few months later that White Wolf found out that he'd lied to them. He didn't actually OWN any of the books and had only a rudimentary understanding of the game. If you are going to be a moderator or such for a game, be it a video game tournament or a roleplaying game played by thousands of people, one needs to know the rules!
Spooks reassuring the team that they didn't have to feel bad when people got downed/hooked was wholesome. Glad to see that spirits were still high despite the mishap. Freddy trying to give Élodie a haircut at shack was great lol.
I was actually there when this happened. A lot led up to it. the host of the tournament was under a lot of stress as they had to basically factory reset their pc to be able to even stream. While I agree that blame falls on both sides, ultimately penalizing you was unfair. you had DC'ed from the match with the banned perk combo and restarted with a new build. The host, however, kept going between deducting 1 point and 2 points on their stream. Edit to finish thoughts: It should have been a clean slate. It was the first match of the tournament, and there was obviously a communication issue. TLDR: Both sides are to blame but shouldn't have been penalized.
This is such a good example of what happens when someone gets duped out of something they were promised (they gave you the all clear for your perks, and then later rescinded that green light). You got cheated, and then later in the game you decided to give them a taste back (when you were messing around with basement), and they got mad. And such is the cycle of life. 🤣
IM surprised they didnt have a mod in the lobby to verify things or someone. I did Overwatch tournements for awhile and usually there was someone sitting in the lobby to verify everything was on the up and up.
I'm so proud of us because we had the most fun I've had in DBD in so long! We didn't win but our enjoyment was the real winner (I'm so cheesy KEKW) And I'm proud of you, it's such a tough situation which happened but you didn't let it deter you and you kicked butt!! #JusticeForAaron
I was around the tournament that happened, that really stink it happened, but honestly you did amazing, well played Doing this for charity, it was an amazing event to witness
If i had to confirm my perks + add ons before hand and the mod says it is ok and in the match he tells me it is not ok i would not coninue the tournament. I would not be take apart of a tournament where the mod´s not do they job right, or not knowing the rules by themself. Tecknekly if you play something it does not matter what game and you did not understand the rules completly and ask something and they explain it wrong to you and punish you for something they explained wrong to you is just a freaking red flag and i would not be wanting in this type of bad orgenized events.
Wow, that must've been rough to hear. I'm sorry about that. Honestly sounds like both sides just got mixed up and I'm glad everything ended up seeming alright. And $63,000 is insane! The dbd community can come together for good when needed!
A moderator failing to do their job should be censured and removed from the position, and in most tourneys for things like game's companies there's a rule that can be paraphrased as "if a mod okays it, it's fine, even in contradiction to prior rulings" A proper nitpick, though? That restriction sheet is atrocious. It's not laid out in a user-friendly manner, and could really have used some formatting passes. I'd be surprised if there weren't slip-ups that didn't get caught.
DBD has a history rife with poor tourney administration, it's not exactly new to this one. That said, I'm very glad people bother to try. So many good causes, so many good memories - and a few good laughs at the abysmal handling of logistical, gameplay, and experiential snafus.
I'm glad I watched to the end of the video as I thought you were genuinely upset! Sounds like you all had a fun time either way and were able to help Sgt Fidget raise an amazing amount for an amazing charity. Well done to all of you for taking a breather and stepping into the clown role for this tournament. DbD tournaments are so tough to rule and play but I've always found them fascinating to watch - TydeTime's Tournaments from years ago are still such a good watch. GG WP to you all x
“I’m British and the first thing we do is apologize.” Looking at the British museum paints a different story… lol, good match, glad you guys stuck it out, even after you were told to reset. ❤
Tbh I think having these goofy rules makes the tournament less fun and a lot more confusing because of how many there are and all the conditions there are as well. I honestly don't blame Aaron for missing whatever goofy rule it was because i honestly would too. The cause is good but at the same time its just like, why, why the weird rules. I feel like for a charity tournament like this you should keep a balance between fun and strictness. I could understand banning meta perks so that way people can try out more fun perk combos and what not but making weird rules like being forced to drop shack pallet your first chase is just weird
This is why dbd shouldn't be a comp game lmao there's just soo much rules and misunderstanding that goes on. But I'm glad that money was made for the charity and I'm glad that some viewers had a good time watching the tournament
Someone needed to be the class clowns and we stepped up to the plate 😌! I appreciate you for inviting me onto the team for such an amazing cause, thank you! I had a good laugh with you guys 💖
A tournament organiser adding a bunch of random, arbitrary rules that only lead to confusion and controversy. What else is new? I think it's fair to say the blame can be split, but honestly I think it should he weighed more heavily towards the mod who approved the loadout. After all, they're part of the tournament organisation that made these rules. Aaron shouldn't be penalised because the mod failed to do their job properly. Sure, you can argue that Aaron also failed to read the rules, but isn't that what he sent the loadout to the mod for? To verify it in case he missed something? Aaron is only a participant of the tournament. In my opinion, a member of the organisation team making this mistake is a much bigger deal as again, it's them who made the rules to begin with and it's their job to make sure they aren't broken, not Aaron's. Just my two cents, though.
I'm super super proud of everyone who was a part of this! It was such an amazing thing to witness live and it always amazes me of what the DBD community is capable of. But probs to you for taking a step back and even having a fun time after the *incident* It can be super hard for one to remind themselves of the important things and it's very inspiring to see you do exactly that. Much love and I'm sure next time will work out a lot better 💕 #justiceforaaron
You cant tell me this wasn't the best team to play with, they were in such good spirt even when you all knew you wasn't going to win, i love this team up!!
Not gonna lie, I feel your pain so much. There were safe guards to make sure that people were not breaking the rules and they didn't work as intended. Just really sad but you seem to have took it well after your break.
I'm glad you had a good time in the end, but your experience makes me hesitant to join future tournaments they're organizing. Complicated rules and a proven willingness to apply punitive penalties when it's their mistake are two HUGE red flags for me. Tournaments should have simple rules and really shouldn't effect gameplay that much. The fact that there are rules around in game actions means you can't just practice in pubs, which is another huge red flag for me. Great video, and I'm glad the charity drive was a success, but I've been convinced not to take part in one of their events as a player (or even watch)
I would strongly disagree with that conclusion tbh. Despite everything I showed in this video, it was an absolute pleasure to be a part of and they smashed it out the park. I would 100% come back next year if they were to do another :)
That wasn't your bad. That was their bad. They gave you the okay to continue, but only told you last second that the combo was against the rules. It's their fault in the end.
The whole first round should have been scrapped altogether bc Aaron may not have read the perk combo section but the mod literally approved of his build. Their end of the deal is to make sure that when you send the build, that you're allowed to use it! That person, did not do that and should not have been a mod for the tourney! Not because they made a mistake perse, but because they steared dude wrong and then *punished* the whole team for it. I will say, after the reset your team would have been better off switching things up since they knew your strat (playing Clown with gen regression/protection perks) swapping to a different killer would have probably secured a few more points at least. All in all, the whole tourney was put together for a good reason and I respect it!... But this entire situation was stupid
It was a mistake on everyone. Since it's for charity and given the circumstances, I think it would have been fine to wipe away the missed Head On attempt and continue from there. Having to start over kills the momentum and understandably puts everyone in a dour mood. Makes the survivors feel bad, the killer angry and the mods feel terrible. #JusticeForAaron
Gotta love that survivor rule book I would have quite that was so stupid love how you sent the pic and he looked at it said it was ok and then decided to tell you half way through to reset lol Jesus
If it was for a charity event then there really shouldn't have been major rules nor should they have gotten mad when you were goofing off. Honestly, everyone should have put on random funny builds and played fun to raise the money. To me this event seemed annoying and a waste of time. You should be introducing the fun side of the game especially for the kids or the charity for whatever that you were raising money for.
I'ma be real. As someone whose hosted tournaments with friends/school in video game clubs, if things get checked by the Moderators and slip by them, it's always on the mods, more like a 75/25 split. This tournament while fun to watch was a little crazy with the ruleset that made little to no sense. Seriously, First pallet HAS to be shack? No healing before first gen? How about we just PLAY DBD AS INTENDED WITH PERK LIMITS AND ANTI-TUNNELING/CAMPING RULES. Why do tournaments have to make things so convoluted. While yes you did break the rules accidentally, it's an even bigger fault of the moderator, someone who should be enforcing the rules to not catch that.
Wait so, you got deducted points from their mistake? Like sure you made a mistake too, but instead of going "oh okay, lets just reset points on all sides" they kept the other team's points? Or did I misunderstand? Because if you got penalized for them clearing you and not correcting your mistake at that point AND slapping you with a point penalty and not going for a clean slate, that's a bit on the "yikes" side.
When to dont check your groups own rules 💀 #JusticeForAaron theres a lesson here; if you make so many rules, dont expect the players to read egery single one, have your moderator team who JOB to do that, actually do that
I enjoyed the event and was glad that you were having fun. But even if both sides are at fault, they are more at fault than you. I agree that you probably should've read the rules a bit more, but its a mod's job to make sure that all participants are following them. You didn't read the banned perk combos. That mod should've responded with no and told you that you had a banned perk combo and to remove it. But yeah, the major problem was the amount of rules this event had 💀
I’ve seen things like this happen in other DBD tournaments and it sucks. Moderators should know, yes you should have read the rules in their whole entirety. Thats on you but you acknowledged that, the moderator is there to make sure everything is correct prior the match/game starting. It’s really shitty this happened and I’m so sorry you had to deal with this. I hope it doesn’t stop you from wanting to participate in more tournaments though. I feel like these tournaments really need to check their rules. Sometimes less is more if they’re proper thought out rules instead of an insane amount.
I did a tournament before and when we messed up they allowed us to reset without penalty. Since you got an approval from the moderator and gave it the okay, your team should have not lost any points from it. Even though you messed up, that's the moderator job to make sure the rules are followed. So, for them to punish you isn't fair or right.
Oooo that is a bummer. Something similar happened in a tournament I was in. Not Fidgets. My killer basically got 2k before we were asked to reset. After reset he got 0 and was so upset. I've played in a fidget tourney before and i love his many rules so there are no mistakes with certain things like tunneling. But there definitely needs to be a rule in any tourney that if something like this happens and there needs to be a reset then some points should still carry over. Not only are you giving the opposing team a second chance to correct weak points but also the killer losing the surprise of which killer is being used and asking to recreate what was done in the first match which isnt fair. Even if it is calculating the points in the match before reset and giving you partial credit. At least a lot of money was raised for charity ❤
Ive played a couple of private discord tournaments for small cash prizes and these rules sound ridiculous there are rules in the discord tournaments like banned perks and certain add ons arent allowed but seriously its some very weird rules in this tournament. I get its for a good cause though so good on everyone involved for raising so much money for a good cause.
Why were there so many rules? I mean part of me gets it, but the event organizer needs to take some accountability there. It wasn't YOU who messed up and you shouldn't be the one who pays for it since the screen shot was approved. SMH
I see so many people who thought there were too many rules...sure there were a lot, but most of the rules were charity incentives. Its a great way to earn money for a great cause. If those incentives hadnt been there, then I doubt the whole 63K would have been raised.
That’s why I don’t play tournaments. I have so many hours in this game , I play casually. But, on tournaments , is harder . everyone is a sweat , rules are crazy . some don’t let you play nurse , some let you but you’re limited on perks and add ons .
having these rules in place for a tournament, almost seems like an admission that some of these perks and combos are a little op after all, no? And also not being able to target someone after they've been hooked too. This means you are playing an easier game than the average player that will never get that courtesy.
What even are these rules? I get perk restrictions, but no pallets until shack pallet? Did I hear that right? So if you start a chase far away from shack you’re just screwed?
I tip my hat off to you because if that happened to me I would have lost it. Not like do anything but I would have needed to just sit out for a good hour or so. I understand that responsibility falls on all parties involved but the entire point of the mods checking your build was to make sure you didn't go in with a banned combo. Instead of deducting points and making you restart with no planning they should have not counted that match allow both teams to re-plan for about 30 mins as another match goes on and part of the payment for you was simply letting the other team know one of your perks before the game starts. I'm happy that everyone was in good spirits and it didn't really effect you all that much but it still frustrates me just a little that the payment for you is restarting with no prep time and auto down by two points while the mods didn't really have to pay anything but an, "oops my bad."
I think banning perks in a DbD tourney is the dumbest shit, I can agree with; for example: one survivor running unbreakable and nobody else is allowed to... but the killer should have free reign. It is a 4v1 after all
That wasn't fair whatsoever. The mod should've checked thoroughly and made sure that you weren't using a banned perk combo. YOU were the one that had to take responsibility for someone else's mistake. That's not fair. I'm so sorry Aaron. The fact that Fidget of all people hosted something like this blows my mind 🤦♀️
It's literally not your fault, the dude had one job to make sure your perks were all the correct ones you could use for the game and they didn't do their job. They could have at least had competent ppl running their event.
Taking a more nuanced opinion, it’s a charity event so a lot can be forgiven but if my ruling due to my own negligence means the event is essentially done because baring a literally perfect game the opposing team can’t win I’d have to make another call. Ultimately though I appreciate the attitude of all involved.
My question is the other team broke rules too. why did they not get any type of penalty too. My reasoning is atleast the mod who approved your build was biased and mad you were winning.
something easy to make things like this not happen in these tournamanets would be just make a special UI mod. that hides the perks you cant use. and just give it to everyone joining. (obviously it cant literally hide it. but it can remove the picture and stuff)
as soon as I saw that ban list, I'd have immediately said to hell with that. no lightborn? no shattered hope? so what? Killer just wasn't allowed to bring ANYTHING to counter survivor perks? that's retarded.
This was 100% the mods. If anything once the error was caught the match should have been restarted, with NO points cut out as it was the Mods that CLEARED it in the first place, you would have just restarted as if the last game didn't happen. The mods need to own up to their error, not punish you for a mistake. That is why you give them a shot of your build, so THEY can make sure YOU don't use anything your not meant to, rather intentionally or by mistake.
I think if they do this again they need to better spread out the rules so that it's harder to forget the rules. I wasn't even playing and I was confused as heck. I mean if anything, it was a learning moment. The judges did their best.
I feel the better option would've been a reset and no point penalty tbh, yes you brought in a banned perk combo but you did so after it was approved, so mistakes were made on both ends
Hey Aaron - I went to look for that second channel of yours, and the link is broken and I cant search for it either. I just wanted to let you know in case you werent aware.
Well, this stinks. I understand both sides are to blame, but in all honesty, the moderators were very irresponsible as well. They are the ones that organized the tournament and the rules, so they have to be very attentive to what the participants are doing to make sure that everything goes fine. However, this didn't happen this time and it was really despicable of them, honestly. They could've taken their time to read the rules and look at the build to make sure that everything is fine. They could've taken as long as they wanted to check everything! Did they just look at the rules and the build quickly and didn't notice a thing?! If so, then they should do this if they can concentrate on things easily. Hope they learn from their mistakes. And so do you, Aaron, since you didn't read the rules as well. Then again, there are quite a lot of rules, so it sure seems pressuring and tiring to read through everything, huh?
One problem with putting rules in dead by daylight. You arent thinking about this midgame because some matches can be stressful. So when you put too many rules it makes the game extra stressful
I find the fact that they had banned perks, banned perk combos, and perk limitations, specific to this event as apposed to the default banlist of certian perks quite idiotic. Furthermore a mistake such as that on the mods behalf shouldnt negatively effect you, nor should it make you restart the match. Only to then place multiple limitstions upon you. This was a charity event, for the gamers to have fun and help people. Who is having fun playing with such drastic limitations? And rules to keep track of. Also instead of saying "lol that sucks, restart at -2" they couldve said: "Hey you cannot hook on scourge hooks, or something that adds depth and challenge to the event.
I get that its for charity so the winner doesn't really matter, but these rules are the most random and needlessly strict bullshit I have ever seen in a video game.
Tbf it's on you as team captain and the mods. You even said you didn't read the rules, probably best to have done that. But! As they didn't pick it up on the mistake the missed head on and stuff should have been allowed
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That was NOT ur fault. U had an official judge give u the clear it is THEIR job to see that stuff and point it out. They shouldn't have made u restart the game cause it was THEIR fault NOT YOURS.
@@Transgirlwarnot knowing the rules is not an excuse.
@deivisnx he clearly did know the rules and checked his build, he over looked something and that's fine cause he is human and mistakes happen. Hell ever the judge didn't see it and made this mistake but he shouldn't have to restart if the judge also didn't see it sense that's his main job while Aaron has to do team leader shit and play the game.
These tournament rules feel like when your little brother keeps making up rules so he can win 💀
Yes like, required to play without sound and needing to throw the shack pallets as the 1st one, i don't understand why ?....
Banning perks combo is also strange because there are already perks that are banned, it's too much...
@@dragonalceus dbd is a casual game dude, they make up rules so they think theyre balancing the matchs in the tournament. bullshit
Fr. I mean what is with those random banned perks like lightborn? It’s legit as if they put all the perks on a spinner and decided to ban whichever one they got.
Honestly I think the Pain res/ Deadlock combo being banned was dumb in the first place. Pain res was nerfed to only work 4 times in a match and only if you hook each survivor. It's not the massive powerhouse it was before.
Yup. These tournaments are always "we don't actually want to play DBD. We just want to use the frame work to make our own unbalanced game because playing ACTUAL DBD isn't fun"
Frankly, this was on the mods for not checking properly. To punish you for their mistake, which THEY should have caught is, pardon my french, pure horse shit.
The rules were broken 🤷♂️ Yes they missed what happened but I did as well, and really I shouldn’t have gone in with the banned perk combination
@@AaronDukeYT They still should've acknowledged the context that they messed up too, and that there was more fault than just your own.
@@AaronDukeYT Well to be fair, you wouldn't have gone in with the banned combo if the moderator did their job. I understand that people make mistakes and fault falls on both you for not reading the rules properly and the mods for providing you with a false verification for your build. The game should have been reset with no points deducted from either side, maybe even having match postponed for renewed preplanning as both teams now know of each others strategies.
Yes, it was on you to know the rules, but it was also on the moderator to know the rules. While one could say ignorance is no excuse, that still is unfair that the moderators allowed you through with the build, then punished you for it.
As others have said, they should have just reset the match with no penalties due to it being approved by the moderator. Joint mistake deserves joint blame.
@@AaronDukeYT still think they're trash as heck for having ONE JOB. and failing.
The build was cleared. If they can't read their own goddamn rules the first time, why the hell are you losing points for it?
You could say the same for me not being able to read the rules 🤷♂️
@@AaronDukeYT Your attitude is commendable, but I disagree. Sure, you hold a modicum of blame for this, but it primarily boils down to the officials of the tournament failing to actually check your build. You were told two different rules because of this. Whereas the written rules say that it wasn't allowed, the officials told you it was. You trusted the official, who was obligated to inform you that your build was illegal. You are a contestant, you are not expected to make no mistake. People make accidents, but as an official, they should do everything possible to correct others' accidents, and prevent their own. They failed on both of those marks.
@@AaronDukeYT it is their JOB to check your build, they screwed up their one bloody job.
@@AaronDukeYT They told you it was okay, you didn't do anything wrong.
"My bad, your fault"
Aside from who was to blame, I don't see why points were taken off if the match was restarted. If the fault was only with you then sure, but since they were also very much to blame and the match essentially 'didn't happen', it doesn't make any sense to take off points.
I do think either the two point deduction OR the reset would have been fairer, not both 😅
Not to mention apparently the other team messed up to, but nothing happened to them.
@@XenoVT yeah that was pretty unfair
As a person outside looking in it is both the fault of the contestant and the person who approved the build. Guy looked at the sign but didn't read carefully enough and the checker approved it without double and triple checking to be sure he didn't approve on an illegal combination of skills.
Aaron is like when they ask you how you are fine and you're not doing fine and you'll never get into because they'll never understand
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read this in Katy Perry’s voice lmaoo
8:24 that “please reset” felt personal
Yes it did :(
This is why rules in tournaments are a slippery slope which make things way too complicated. I’m not gonna rage or be mad at the organizers. Nothing good would come from that. I just hope they learn from this and organize this better the next time they host a charity event.
I agree! Maybe having less rules would be less stressful for them next time tbf 😂
@@AaronDukeYT 100%! Lol. That was one of the first things I learned running events, the less staff you have the less control and rules you can have
@@AaronDukeYT im pretty sure the rules were meant to be painful and plentiful due to them comparing it to children who had to go through cancer. It was ambitious to say the least though. Cool idea but it was bad on both sides. It wasnt just you i know there was multiple instances of this whole 'check perks approved banned perks'
the only correct and healhy take
@@AaronDukeYT There should be no rules that are not "don't hack, don't exploit". Everything else not actually playing DBD and at that point they should just pick a different game.
"We don't know our own rules but we expect you to know them"
What a joke.
Sucks man you played so well.
So what I'm getting is its a failure to communicate on both their parts they didn't read your perk list and cleared you but rather than admit fault they threw you under the bus and because of that you and your team suffered. I wouldn't seek justice because the tournament itself just gives off vibes of being poorly handled and supervised I wouldn't go to anything organized by them again. In fact I'd just see this experience as references for the types of tournaments to avoid if this is how they operate.
They all definitely acknowledged their mistakes and apologised profusely for what happened :) But all in all, the blame fell in multiple places, and I had to take my part of it as well :)
It was more a failure to create a reasonable ruleset rather than communicate
@@AaronDukeYT well that's simply bs. No blame should be placed on you once they cleared your build. After that as long as you actually pick the build you said you would use it's no longer your fault. That mod was clearly not educated on the rules, or even the game as he kept saying that pop(pop goes the weasel)/deadlock was banned when you were using deadlock/sh:pr (which was banned yes, but he said you could use it)
I agree that the team shouldn't have had that count because once a verifier approves something and says, "this is within the rules," the responsibility is on them. So just act like the match didn't happen. You don't get negative points for "breaking the rules"
@@Iilah-ah Yea, I noticed that too.... Reminds me of back when I used to play Werewolf the Apocalypse on the official White Wolf chat forums and they had this head moderator was this guy, lets call him V. V made al these weird AF rulings, but as the Head Storyteller approved by White Wolf, he had that right. After I and many others quit due to his rulings (m character quit because she had been initially approved to have a special magic weapon specific to her tribe, but later he decided that they were taking all our weapons away... when I pointed out that my character would be betraying her tribe if she let anyone other than a member of her tribe to touch the weapon unless it was blade first, he didn't care... they took it anyway and.... no elder members of my tribe would be showing up to take custody of the weapon as I requested.) It was a few months later that White Wolf found out that he'd lied to them. He didn't actually OWN any of the books and had only a rudimentary understanding of the game. If you are going to be a moderator or such for a game, be it a video game tournament or a roleplaying game played by thousands of people, one needs to know the rules!
Spooks reassuring the team that they didn't have to feel bad when people got downed/hooked was wholesome. Glad to see that spirits were still high despite the mishap. Freddy trying to give Élodie a haircut at shack was great lol.
Stuff like this just goes to show why tournaments shouldn’t go overboard with the rules.
I was actually there when this happened. A lot led up to it. the host of the tournament was under a lot of stress as they had to basically factory reset their pc to be able to even stream. While I agree that blame falls on both sides, ultimately penalizing you was unfair. you had DC'ed from the match with the banned perk combo and restarted with a new build. The host, however, kept going between deducting 1 point and 2 points on their stream.
Edit to finish thoughts: It should have been a clean slate. It was the first match of the tournament, and there was obviously a communication issue.
TLDR: Both sides are to blame but shouldn't have been penalized.
"Sargent is getting mad at you, got to be careful breaking those rules" Lol that's cute
the amount of rules is insane man atleast it was for charity because this all seems like really frustrating
This when Aaron went on his villain arc
I’ve been on that for a while 😈
@@AaronDukeYT *spooknjukes and rapidmain comes to the comments*
three pillar men theme play: OH NO!!!!!
This is such a good example of what happens when someone gets duped out of something they were promised (they gave you the all clear for your perks, and then later rescinded that green light). You got cheated, and then later in the game you decided to give them a taste back (when you were messing around with basement), and they got mad. And such is the cycle of life. 🤣
The reset was fair enough but the 2 point hit seems really unfair.
I thought the other way round would have been better personally!
@@AaronDukeYT exactly
IM surprised they didnt have a mod in the lobby to verify things or someone. I did Overwatch tournements for awhile and usually there was someone sitting in the lobby to verify everything was on the up and up.
I'm so proud of us because we had the most fun I've had in DBD in so long! We didn't win but our enjoyment was the real winner (I'm so cheesy KEKW) And I'm proud of you, it's such a tough situation which happened but you didn't let it deter you and you kicked butt!! #JusticeForAaron
It was an absolute pleasure to have you on the team, thank you for being a part of it and keeping my spirits high 💙
I was around the tournament that happened, that really stink it happened, but honestly you did amazing, well played
Doing this for charity, it was an amazing event to witness
It was a lot of fun, all in all! Deffo an experience I’ll remember 😂😂
If i had to confirm my perks + add ons before hand and the mod says it is ok and in the match he tells me it is not ok i would not coninue the tournament.
I would not be take apart of a tournament where the mod´s not do they job right, or not knowing the rules by themself.
Tecknekly if you play something it does not matter what game and you did not understand the rules completly and ask something and they explain it wrong to you and punish you for something they explained wrong to you is just a freaking red flag and i would not be wanting in this type of bad orgenized events.
Wow, that must've been rough to hear. I'm sorry about that. Honestly sounds like both sides just got mixed up and I'm glad everything ended up seeming alright. And $63,000 is insane! The dbd community can come together for good when needed!
They definitely can!
A moderator failing to do their job should be censured and removed from the position, and in most tourneys for things like game's companies there's a rule that can be paraphrased as "if a mod okays it, it's fine, even in contradiction to prior rulings"
A proper nitpick, though? That restriction sheet is atrocious. It's not laid out in a user-friendly manner, and could really have used some formatting passes. I'd be surprised if there weren't slip-ups that didn't get caught.
DBD has a history rife with poor tourney administration, it's not exactly new to this one. That said, I'm very glad people bother to try. So many good causes, so many good memories - and a few good laughs at the abysmal handling of logistical, gameplay, and experiential snafus.
I'm glad I watched to the end of the video as I thought you were genuinely upset! Sounds like you all had a fun time either way and were able to help Sgt Fidget raise an amazing amount for an amazing charity. Well done to all of you for taking a breather and stepping into the clown role for this tournament. DbD tournaments are so tough to rule and play but I've always found them fascinating to watch - TydeTime's Tournaments from years ago are still such a good watch. GG WP to you all x
“I’m British and the first thing we do is apologize.” Looking at the British museum paints a different story… lol, good match, glad you guys stuck it out, even after you were told to reset. ❤
This is ridiculous, this was a mistake by mods for allowing it and punishing Aaron because of their mistakes which has me perplexed
Tbh I think having these goofy rules makes the tournament less fun and a lot more confusing because of how many there are and all the conditions there are as well. I honestly don't blame Aaron for missing whatever goofy rule it was because i honestly would too. The cause is good but at the same time its just like, why, why the weird rules. I feel like for a charity tournament like this you should keep a balance between fun and strictness. I could understand banning meta perks so that way people can try out more fun perk combos and what not but making weird rules like being forced to drop shack pallet your first chase is just weird
This is why dbd shouldn't be a comp game lmao there's just soo much rules and misunderstanding that goes on. But I'm glad that money was made for the charity and I'm glad that some viewers had a good time watching the tournament
imo tournaments should have no rules...
@@PapagiannisWoW real. All the the banned perks just seems like a stupid way to handicap the killer
Someone needed to be the class clowns and we stepped up to the plate 😌! I appreciate you for inviting me onto the team for such an amazing cause, thank you! I had a good laugh with you guys 💖
Thank you for being a part of it! It was a pleasure for sure 😁💙
2:25 i hate it when i start a match and turn into a pterodactyl :/ 😅
Gotta call me out like that huh? 👀
@@AaronDukeYT dinosaur fans are going crazy right now that a new species has been discovered, the pteraarondactyl 😅
A tournament organiser adding a bunch of random, arbitrary rules that only lead to confusion and controversy. What else is new?
I think it's fair to say the blame can be split, but honestly I think it should he weighed more heavily towards the mod who approved the loadout. After all, they're part of the tournament organisation that made these rules. Aaron shouldn't be penalised because the mod failed to do their job properly.
Sure, you can argue that Aaron also failed to read the rules, but isn't that what he sent the loadout to the mod for? To verify it in case he missed something? Aaron is only a participant of the tournament. In my opinion, a member of the organisation team making this mistake is a much bigger deal as again, it's them who made the rules to begin with and it's their job to make sure they aren't broken, not Aaron's.
Just my two cents, though.
I'm super super proud of everyone who was a part of this! It was such an amazing thing to witness live and it always amazes me of what the DBD community is capable of.
But probs to you for taking a step back and even having a fun time after the *incident*
It can be super hard for one to remind themselves of the important things and it's very inspiring to see you do exactly that.
Much love and I'm sure next time will work out a lot better 💕
#justiceforaaron
Much love right back to you!
You cant tell me this wasn't the best team to play with, they were in such good spirt even when you all knew you wasn't going to win, i love this team up!!
spooky comforting the team before the match is so sweet 🥺
•sends build to admin•
"Yeah, that's okay"
•plays match•
"You're using a banned build. Get f*$•ed LOL"
Not gonna lie, I feel your pain so much. There were safe guards to make sure that people were not breaking the rules and they didn't work as intended. Just really sad but you seem to have took it well after your break.
I'm glad you had a good time in the end, but your experience makes me hesitant to join future tournaments they're organizing. Complicated rules and a proven willingness to apply punitive penalties when it's their mistake are two HUGE red flags for me. Tournaments should have simple rules and really shouldn't effect gameplay that much. The fact that there are rules around in game actions means you can't just practice in pubs, which is another huge red flag for me. Great video, and I'm glad the charity drive was a success, but I've been convinced not to take part in one of their events as a player (or even watch)
I would strongly disagree with that conclusion tbh. Despite everything I showed in this video, it was an absolute pleasure to be a part of and they smashed it out the park. I would 100% come back next year if they were to do another :)
That wasn't your bad. That was their bad. They gave you the okay to continue, but only told you last second that the combo was against the rules. It's their fault in the end.
It was all of our bads imo. I should have read the rules properly, they should have double checked my build and spotted it
The whole first round should have been scrapped altogether bc Aaron may not have read the perk combo section but the mod literally approved of his build. Their end of the deal is to make sure that when you send the build, that you're allowed to use it! That person, did not do that and should not have been a mod for the tourney! Not because they made a mistake perse, but because they steared dude wrong and then *punished* the whole team for it.
I will say, after the reset your team would have been better off switching things up since they knew your strat (playing Clown with gen regression/protection perks) swapping to a different killer would have probably secured a few more points at least.
All in all, the whole tourney was put together for a good reason and I respect it!... But this entire situation was stupid
Honestly hit the nail on the head with the “too many rules”
It was a mistake on everyone. Since it's for charity and given the circumstances, I think it would have been fine to wipe away the missed Head On attempt and continue from there. Having to start over kills the momentum and understandably puts everyone in a dour mood. Makes the survivors feel bad, the killer angry and the mods feel terrible. #JusticeForAaron
Gotta love that survivor rule book I would have quite that was so stupid love how you sent the pic and he looked at it said it was ok and then decided to tell you half way through to reset lol Jesus
If it was for a charity event then there really shouldn't have been major rules nor should they have gotten mad when you were goofing off. Honestly, everyone should have put on random funny builds and played fun to raise the money. To me this event seemed annoying and a waste of time. You should be introducing the fun side of the game especially for the kids or the charity for whatever that you were raising money for.
dang thats a shame. well regardless you played really well! especially against these good players.
He went to go cry in the car. I feel his pain
Greatest injustice is still when Marth was denied the win when he got to the Hatch first in a tournament. This takes second.
I'ma be real. As someone whose hosted tournaments with friends/school in video game clubs, if things get checked by the Moderators and slip by them, it's always on the mods, more like a 75/25 split. This tournament while fun to watch was a little crazy with the ruleset that made little to no sense. Seriously, First pallet HAS to be shack? No healing before first gen? How about we just PLAY DBD AS INTENDED WITH PERK LIMITS AND ANTI-TUNNELING/CAMPING RULES. Why do tournaments have to make things so convoluted. While yes you did break the rules accidentally, it's an even bigger fault of the moderator, someone who should be enforcing the rules to not catch that.
I think the rules were put in place to make this one different and interesting. Can’t say they didn’t succeed! 😂
@@AaronDukeYT It was certainly interesting! Hell I'm glad the event was a success at the end of it all.
Wait so, you got deducted points from their mistake? Like sure you made a mistake too, but instead of going "oh okay, lets just reset points on all sides" they kept the other team's points? Or did I misunderstand? Because if you got penalized for them clearing you and not correcting your mistake at that point AND slapping you with a point penalty and not going for a clean slate, that's a bit on the "yikes" side.
When to dont check your groups own rules 💀 #JusticeForAaron theres a lesson here; if you make so many rules, dont expect the players to read egery single one, have your moderator team who JOB to do that, actually do that
I love their reaction to losing it was so wholesome. And this charity was sick!!
I enjoyed the event and was glad that you were having fun. But even if both sides are at fault, they are more at fault than you. I agree that you probably should've read the rules a bit more, but its a mod's job to make sure that all participants are following them. You didn't read the banned perk combos. That mod should've responded with no and told you that you had a banned perk combo and to remove it. But yeah, the major problem was the amount of rules this event had 💀
I’ve seen things like this happen in other DBD tournaments and it sucks. Moderators should know, yes you should have read the rules in their whole entirety. Thats on you but you acknowledged that, the moderator is there to make sure everything is correct prior the match/game starting.
It’s really shitty this happened and I’m so sorry you had to deal with this.
I hope it doesn’t stop you from wanting to participate in more tournaments though.
I feel like these tournaments really need to check their rules. Sometimes less is more if they’re proper thought out rules instead of an insane amount.
He wanted you to read the Killer rulebook 😃
When the survivor rulebook is enforced 🤣🤣
how i would make a tournament
>killer must play pig
>survivors must boop pig or be disqualified
>happy pig happy survivors
😂😂😂
I did a tournament before and when we messed up they allowed us to reset without penalty. Since you got an approval from the moderator and gave it the okay, your team should have not lost any points from it. Even though you messed up, that's the moderator job to make sure the rules are followed. So, for them to punish you isn't fair or right.
Oooo that is a bummer. Something similar happened in a tournament I was in. Not Fidgets. My killer basically got 2k before we were asked to reset. After reset he got 0 and was so upset. I've played in a fidget tourney before and i love his many rules so there are no mistakes with certain things like tunneling. But there definitely needs to be a rule in any tourney that if something like this happens and there needs to be a reset then some points should still carry over. Not only are you giving the opposing team a second chance to correct weak points but also the killer losing the surprise of which killer is being used and asking to recreate what was done in the first match which isnt fair. Even if it is calculating the points in the match before reset and giving you partial credit. At least a lot of money was raised for charity ❤
Ayy mistakes happen, I'm glad you guys tried to make the most out of the event despite the mishap and enjoyed yourselves 👍
We deffo did! 😁
So You Used The Banned Perk Combo DeadLock And Pain Resonance Whilst It Was Their Fault Giving You The Thumbs Up x3!
Ive played a couple of private discord tournaments for small cash prizes and these rules sound ridiculous there are rules in the discord tournaments like banned perks and certain add ons arent allowed but seriously its some very weird rules in this tournament. I get its for a good cause though so good on everyone involved for raising so much money for a good cause.
Why were there so many rules? I mean part of me gets it, but the event organizer needs to take some accountability there. It wasn't YOU who messed up and you shouldn't be the one who pays for it since the screen shot was approved. SMH
I see so many people who thought there were too many rules...sure there were a lot, but most of the rules were charity incentives. Its a great way to earn money for a great cause. If those incentives hadnt been there, then I doubt the whole 63K would have been raised.
Awh that sucks!!!! Live and learn ig
I would've been so depressed
It did get me down for a little bit but my team were awesome and cheered me right back up 😅
@@AaronDukeYT what a bunch of legends
That’s why I don’t play tournaments. I have so many hours in this game , I play casually. But, on tournaments , is harder . everyone is a sweat , rules are crazy . some don’t let you play nurse , some let you but you’re limited on perks and add ons .
oh jesus i didnt even notice how early i was and thought my youtube was broken because no comments are showing 😭😭
Lmaooo same !! 😂
You’re just a true fan is all! 😂😘
I predict now there's going to be a LOT of Poe's law in the comment section.
having these rules in place for a tournament, almost seems like an admission that some of these perks and combos are a little op after all, no? And also not being able to target someone after they've been hooked too. This means you are playing an easier game than the average player that will never get that courtesy.
What was the reasons given for the rules? Is there a video or something with the host explaining their reasoning?
What even are these rules? I get perk restrictions, but no pallets until shack pallet? Did I hear that right? So if you start a chase far away from shack you’re just screwed?
So the Team Captain (me in this case) had to have their first act be to throw shack pallet. It didn’t affect anyone else in the team :)
A tourney rule is one of the survivors having no sound? That’s the worst rule in the fuckin world lmao
I tip my hat off to you because if that happened to me I would have lost it. Not like do anything but I would have needed to just sit out for a good hour or so. I understand that responsibility falls on all parties involved but the entire point of the mods checking your build was to make sure you didn't go in with a banned combo. Instead of deducting points and making you restart with no planning they should have not counted that match allow both teams to re-plan for about 30 mins as another match goes on and part of the payment for you was simply letting the other team know one of your perks before the game starts.
I'm happy that everyone was in good spirits and it didn't really effect you all that much but it still frustrates me just a little that the payment for you is restarting with no prep time and auto down by two points while the mods didn't really have to pay anything but an, "oops my bad."
Damn, no one was allowed to have fun I guess.
I think banning perks in a DbD tourney is the dumbest shit, I can agree with; for example: one survivor running unbreakable and nobody else is allowed to... but the killer should have free reign. It is a 4v1 after all
That wasn't fair whatsoever. The mod should've checked thoroughly and made sure that you weren't using a banned perk combo. YOU were the one that had to take responsibility for someone else's mistake. That's not fair. I'm so sorry Aaron. The fact that Fidget of all people hosted something like this blows my mind 🤦♀️
It's literally not your fault, the dude had one job to make sure your perks were all the correct ones you could use for the game and they didn't do their job. They could have at least had competent ppl running their event.
0:37 - Isn´t that a bit excessive? but yeah, I feel ya
I think you guys would do great in a sandbag tournament 😂
Taking a more nuanced opinion, it’s a charity event so a lot can be forgiven but if my ruling due to my own negligence means the event is essentially done because baring a literally perfect game the opposing team can’t win I’d have to make another call.
Ultimately though I appreciate the attitude of all involved.
Imagine not being used to no sound (I play on switch and usually can’t have my sound on)
My question is the other team broke rules too. why did they not get any type of penalty too. My reasoning is atleast the mod who approved your build was biased and mad you were winning.
They didn’t get penalised because the stuff they did happened during the match. Because the match was wiped, their mistakes were also wiped
"We cant heal until the first gen is done"
Excuse me WHAT!?
That was a goal based on donations 😅
something easy to make things like this not happen in these tournamanets would be just make a special UI mod. that hides the perks you cant use. and just give it to everyone joining. (obviously it cant literally hide it. but it can remove the picture and stuff)
as soon as I saw that ban list, I'd have immediately said to hell with that. no lightborn? no shattered hope? so what? Killer just wasn't allowed to bring ANYTHING to counter survivor perks? that's retarded.
WTF lol those are some handbook rules
so couq and hoarder were banned why the hell are these banned perks
This was 100% the mods. If anything once the error was caught the match should have been restarted, with NO points cut out as it was the Mods that CLEARED it in the first place, you would have just restarted as if the last game didn't happen. The mods need to own up to their error, not punish you for a mistake. That is why you give them a shot of your build, so THEY can make sure YOU don't use anything your not meant to, rather intentionally or by mistake.
Why was it against the rules to go into the basement lol
I think if they do this again they need to better spread out the rules so that it's harder to forget the rules. I wasn't even playing and I was confused as heck. I mean if anything, it was a learning moment. The judges did their best.
I feel the better option would've been a reset and no point penalty tbh, yes you brought in a banned perk combo but you did so after it was approved, so mistakes were made on both ends
Hey Aaron - I went to look for that second channel of yours, and the link is broken and I cant search for it either. I just wanted to let you know in case you werent aware.
Thank you for letting me know! I’ve updated the link in the description of this video and that works now 😁
Was there any banned perks/perk combos as survivor?
I believe so, but more generalised bans like you can’t have two people in the team running the same perk
Well, this stinks. I understand both sides are to blame, but in all honesty, the moderators were very irresponsible as well. They are the ones that organized the tournament and the rules, so they have to be very attentive to what the participants are doing to make sure that everything goes fine. However, this didn't happen this time and it was really despicable of them, honestly. They could've taken their time to read the rules and look at the build to make sure that everything is fine. They could've taken as long as they wanted to check everything! Did they just look at the rules and the build quickly and didn't notice a thing?! If so, then they should do this if they can concentrate on things easily. Hope they learn from their mistakes. And so do you, Aaron, since you didn't read the rules as well. Then again, there are quite a lot of rules, so it sure seems pressuring and tiring to read through everything, huh?
You lose points because of a mistake by a moderator. Nice one ://
And a mistake by me!
I will be mad you did not check the rules he said you can use it
One problem with putting rules in dead by daylight. You arent thinking about this midgame because some matches can be stressful. So when you put too many rules it makes the game extra stressful
I find the fact that they had banned perks, banned perk combos, and perk limitations, specific to this event as apposed to the default banlist of certian perks quite idiotic. Furthermore a mistake such as that on the mods behalf shouldnt negatively effect you, nor should it make you restart the match. Only to then place multiple limitstions upon you. This was a charity event, for the gamers to have fun and help people. Who is having fun playing with such drastic limitations? And rules to keep track of. Also instead of saying "lol that sucks, restart at -2" they couldve said: "Hey you cannot hook on scourge hooks, or something that adds depth and challenge to the event.
On a positive note:
Squirtle 😎
Yes sir 😁😁
I get that its for charity so the winner doesn't really matter, but these rules are the most random and needlessly strict bullshit I have ever seen in a video game.
Tbf it's on you as team captain and the mods. You even said you didn't read the rules, probably best to have done that. But! As they didn't pick it up on the mistake the missed head on and stuff should have been allowed