I’ve put someone to sleep who did let go of the guillotine. He didn’t tap and I had to ask others if he was out. He woke up not knowing what happened. Know one knew that I was the one choking him.
bro i swear to god bro i had a problem with every takedown cause of the opponents guillotine then i saw this video i tried the VFC and man that shit goes crazy thank you brudda
I still find it so funny that JVF, who barely held a 500 record developed one of the most effective and efficient head and arm chokes of all time. It shows how high level the pros are. The 200th ranked fighter at middleweight would likely kick the crap out of anyone someone knows lol. Props to Jay for giving us this weapon
I remember when I tried BJJ and I was at my first trial session. I was rolling with this one dude and I guess he knew that I thought he was new (despite not saying so) and he hit me with a Von Flue while drilling GUARD PASSES. I asked him how long he's been doing BJJ and he says, "Mmmm about 8 or 9 years. I've been off and on a lot." Dude was a 6'4 270lb purple belt and I was a 5'11 170lb newbie 🤣
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Love your videos man. I really appreciate your perspective on the Art and Sport of JJ. Thank you and God Bless you and your family.
Almost got submitted with this very counter to a guillotine i was going for. Was a valuable learning experience. I'll add this to my repertoire as well and try to use it should I find myself in a guillotine. Thank you!
Dude you just taught me the con flue choke. I got the Shoulder and body weight pressure on Chin while in guard guillotine. I also pull wrist on forearm that has guillotine choke. But in the street I think closing the distance behind punches then use a No Gi Judo trip or throw. Just my opinion but your choke is awesome. I think doing a double leg in street bad idea cause you can mess up your knees real bad on concrete, gravel or asphalt.
I just did a lesson on the Von flu, with my students this week. I will give them this entry next week, to see if they can see that there is a Von flu there. Thank you for a great video. Good to see other guys ways of doing things.
I tend to hit this choke very often in white belts or even some fresh blue belts (I'm a blue belt myself), but against some more experienced partners I struggle a lot. I believe that's because when they attack the guillotine, they trap the arm that is opposite to my head, so i can't hug over their arms/neck. Is there a way to ensure that, after passing the guard when you hit the takedown just as you did in the video, I get my arm free to position the choke properly?
This move fundamentally requires the opponent to make some minor mistakes: If they trap your arm, you're screwed. If they wrap their far leg on your body, you're screwed. If they use a high guillotine instead of standard guillotine, you're screwed.
I’ve started hitting a modified kimura from the guillotine. I bait them to take it, and quickly stand up whilst controlling their outside wrist, and use my other arm against their hip to prevent them turning out and push my head towards theirs as I keep standing up. Got a lot of taps recently from this. Tough against heavy weights though. This is all against blue belts (I’m blue). Would love to hear people’s opinion and if anyone does this.
As a fresh whitebelt I surprised a bluebelt with a guillotine and got the tap, next time I tried it he did exactly this to me and I couldn't get my hand out at all 😂
You can hear in his voice that he's been choked countless times. Your senses can keep you safe. I hear that detail and adjust my plan appropriately. He's a professional boy's.
@JordanTeachesJiujitsu The califlower ears are a visual cue. The weakness in you voices tone tells me your esophagus has been crunched more than a couple times. What I'm saying is use your senses to collect all the data needed to make proper decisions. Soilders mind working here.
You wouldn't be able to do it on the opposite side. They'd still be able to guillotine you and you wouldn't be able to drive your shoulder into their neck 🙂
I’m a white belt and a brown belt tried doing this to me bout a dozen times in our 5 min roll. I kept letting him put me in the choke because I thought it was funny by escaping every time. 😂😅
I was shooting for a double leg in sparring, and the teacher told me "no wrestling." I thought it was because I sprawled afterwards. Im not sure...😅 (for context I train at korean zombies gym which is an mma gym that teaches, nogi jiu-jitsu, cage wrestling kickboxing) Maybe I got the techniques confused... i dont know
Strangely, guys at the academy where I roll rather pass out of get their arm broken when I counter that effectively. I am sick of this. Besides that, most students don't guillotine me, cause they don't want to be exposed to this counter. Master Jordan.
@@infiniterer287 There are no way to counter, cause the pressure I use is sick and out of this world. Even purple belts confessed to me they had no choice cause the pressure is unbearable and everything is too tight, you know like when you roll with a seasoned grappler that has worked on his counter for years, refined and polished his techniques ? That's my point.
@@tededo 🤣 Bro stop. This is a double leg to guillotine counter. It literally does not work if the person uses an "arm in guillotine", high guillotine, or simply wraps the body with their legs. For this to work the defender just literally has to be clueless about how to lock a good guillotine.
Yes but BJJ people don't know how to wrestle 😂 their working on it though only illegal takedowns are high crotch at white belt and scissor takedown high c is banned bc people end up landing on their head and paralyzed scissor is banned bc of how common knee and ankle injuries are
You need to balance staying high for pressure, and staying low so they can't reguard. If you're on your knees you lose ability to drive into your opponent as your weight will be on your knees. You can off angle your near side leg to prevent the reguard
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@@fbigroomskids6638 oh cool
You got me with this the other day
What would you recommend if they have one of your arms in the guillotine?
Stop getting Von Flue choked and let go of the guillotine.
Ikr! Had to learn that the hard way! :DD
@@athosdalvarek918 unfortunately how I learned most of my jiu-jitsu. The hard way lol
Yeah but, before he traps that arm. That's a nice detail I thought
@@ianj4389 only way you’re taught
I’ve put someone to sleep who did let go of the guillotine. He didn’t tap and I had to ask others if he was out. He woke up not knowing what happened. Know one knew that I was the one choking him.
Tyler Spangler is punching the air RN
I knew I'd find a comment like that. Tyler is mad in his BJJ underground lab.
Excellent demo on my choke!
Wow thank you!! Means a lot to me coming from you. You definitely left your mark on BJJ and MMA for ever 🙏
Thank you for your contribution sir!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsuYou sure that’s actually him?
You have no idea how much I need this
What happens when they immediately wrap you up with their legs?
@@phalspar I’ve found if they do that you can usually tripod up & shake them off. Even if they hang on you can still get the choke
bro i swear to god bro i had a problem with every takedown cause of the opponents guillotine then i saw this video i tried the VFC and man that shit goes crazy thank you brudda
I still find it so funny that JVF, who barely held a 500 record developed one of the most effective and efficient head and arm chokes of all time. It shows how high level the pros are. The 200th ranked fighter at middleweight would likely kick the crap out of anyone someone knows lol. Props to Jay for giving us this weapon
Von Flue didn't invent the choke, he merely popularized it by being the first to hit it on a major stage
I remember when I tried BJJ and I was at my first trial session. I was rolling with this one dude and I guess he knew that I thought he was new (despite not saying so) and he hit me with a Von Flue while drilling GUARD PASSES. I asked him how long he's been doing BJJ and he says, "Mmmm about 8 or 9 years. I've been off and on a lot." Dude was a 6'4 270lb purple belt and I was a 5'11 170lb newbie 🤣
😅 First impressions can be deceiving lol
Some tips on countering pressure passing would be golden. Love your content dude!
Homer Simpson choke. It’s dumb but works well.
Ovince st. Preux has gotten 4 von (preux) flue chokes in the ufc
Prolly the best counter I’ve seen on CZcams. Easy explanation too
That's a big detail for such a small movement with trapping that arm 😮
Yepp all in the details!
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Love your videos man. I really appreciate your perspective on the Art and Sport of JJ. Thank you and God Bless you and your family.
I always had a habit of sticking my head on the outside when shooting so von flue has been my best friend for years now
Getting that double leg so effortlessly 😂
Ya tough to do without any momentum from the shot
The amount of people that dont know this choke blows my mind. See the opportunity atleast once every single ufc card.
Von flue is one of my higher percentage moves and it works so well in sequence to arm triangle to rnc
Almost got submitted with this very counter to a guillotine i was going for. Was a valuable learning experience. I'll add this to my repertoire as well and try to use it should I find myself in a guillotine. Thank you!
Very nice!!! Never seen those.
One of my favorite chokes. I will half shoot to bait them to go for the Guillotine.
Hey Jordan one recommendation I have with shorts is to have the title of the video in the thumbnail image.
This probably just saved immense pain.
Dude you just taught me the con flue choke. I got the Shoulder and body weight pressure on Chin while in guard guillotine. I also pull wrist on forearm that has guillotine choke. But in the street I think closing the distance behind punches then use a No Gi Judo trip or throw. Just my opinion but your choke is awesome. I think doing a double leg in street bad idea cause you can mess up your knees real bad on concrete, gravel or asphalt.
you can shoot a double leg without your knees ever touching the ground, just have to modify a bit, you see it alot in mma
OSP would be proud
No, Jason von flue would be proud tho 🤙
Good value
Oh nooooo, now your giving away the defenses to my goto move???? Jordan noooo!!! Lol 😅
I just did a lesson on the Von flu, with my students this week. I will give them this entry next week, to see if they can see that there is a Von flu there. Thank you for a great video. Good to see other guys ways of doing things.
You’re so cool!!!
I tend to hit this choke very often in white belts or even some fresh blue belts (I'm a blue belt myself), but against some more experienced partners I struggle a lot. I believe that's because when they attack the guillotine, they trap the arm that is opposite to my head, so i can't hug over their arms/neck. Is there a way to ensure that, after passing the guard when you hit the takedown just as you did in the video, I get my arm free to position the choke properly?
This move fundamentally requires the opponent to make some minor mistakes:
If they trap your arm, you're screwed.
If they wrap their far leg on your body, you're screwed.
If they use a high guillotine instead of standard guillotine, you're screwed.
The trapped hand detail is next level. 🤌
Is there more details to this choke I’ve tried it for years, I imagine my small shoulders would help, but I’ve never gotten it to work
I'll have a new verticle made for it 🙂
Easier said then done💀 awesome vid ma dude I’m not trying de credit you!! OSS!!😤😤😤
Thank you.
I’ve started hitting a modified kimura from the guillotine. I bait them to take it, and quickly stand up whilst controlling their outside wrist, and use my other arm against their hip to prevent them turning out and push my head towards theirs as I keep standing up. Got a lot of taps recently from this. Tough against heavy weights though. This is all against blue belts (I’m blue).
Would love to hear people’s opinion and if anyone does this.
As a fresh whitebelt I surprised a bluebelt with a guillotine and got the tap, next time I tried it he did exactly this to me and I couldn't get my hand out at all 😂
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WOW!!! You are so cool!!!
AWESOME Reversal of Fortune!
I tried the Von Flue but I wasn't using my arms to push my shoulder to their neck, I was only using my bodyweight so it didn't work.
Yea this the one. Wooooooo. Double leg season
This is fucking sick I can’t wait to give it a go!
This be like, I'M THE ONE WHO CHOKES
You can hear in his voice that he's been choked countless times. Your senses can keep you safe. I hear that detail and adjust my plan appropriately. He's a professional boy's.
What lol?
@JordanTeachesJiujitsu The califlower ears are a visual cue. The weakness in you voices tone tells me your esophagus has been crunched more than a couple times. What I'm saying is use your senses to collect all the data needed to make proper decisions. Soilders mind working here.
@JordanTeachesJiujitsu Just like I can sense by your reply, your a dick. Ain't we all boi.
That’s a nice move
Love this! Got 2 subs with in Competition. 👍
The problem is good guys will lock closed guard before you get a chance to swipe their legs outa the way
Ya but good guys will also prevent others from locking up closed guard
That's a nice counter
Great looking rashguard!
Some guys especially for me in mma instantly shoot their legs up and get their guard this looks way easier in slow mo
Exactly. If you feel the takedown is inevitable you're going to wrap their body with your legs in MMA.
That’s genius
Competent advice. Good clip
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Im new so this is gonna help ALOT
Edit: yall should give me tips n simple tricks i can do during sparring sessions
Saw this choke in the wec probably ten years ago.
To be honest it kinda looks like a arm triangle but on the other side of the body
Make a tutorial on how to not be tackled from a back choke
Basically risking giving up a guillotine too shoot for this but idk practice practice
It's more like if things go wrong when you do shoot a double
Brilliant
What about a suplex from the guillotine then you roll and try to get them into a guillotine
Is the top hand palm up or palm down?
Palm down
Epic uno reverse
No way that works. Looks like a budget arm triangle.
Works great
That's badd asss
Yeah…this is true up to blue belt; however, blue belt with a stripe and above know this so there’s no way they would hold on to that guillotine.
Dustin Porier: “no”
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I need to see this video 100 times tell I know what to do
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Does this work for either side? I’m a noob
You wouldn't be able to do it on the opposite side. They'd still be able to guillotine you and you wouldn't be able to drive your shoulder into their neck 🙂
Not working if he has arm in guillotine, right?
Ya won't work with the arm in
just shoot a double leg correctly with your head close to their hip..
Even the perfect of double legs can lead to people taking guillotine grips
What if he sprawled his legs out ?
Geeateened
People love correcting my pronunciation lol
just switch who has the choke! :)
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This comment has layers, and I love it! 😂😂😂
Even the next day, reading this comment cracks me up 😅
@@JordanTeachesJiujitsu lol
@@james.randorfflayers? I think it's just a reference to his other video themes.
don’t know much about bjj but wouldn’t it be hard to perform a choke or something else when getting choked?
Ya 100%. It's all about the mechanics of the movement. You should give BJJ a try, you might like it! 🙂
Yeah, but honestly most people with thick necks and traps won’t be tapping to this very easily and usually gets countered
I disagree. I use this technique often with success. Large necks or not. Every technique is tougher against bigger strong opponents for sure though.
I’m a white belt and a brown belt tried doing this to me bout a dozen times in our 5 min roll. I kept letting him put me in the choke because I thought it was funny by escaping every time. 😂😅
I was shooting for a double leg in sparring, and the teacher told me "no wrestling." I thought it was because I sprawled afterwards. Im not sure...😅 (for context I train at korean zombies gym which is an mma gym that teaches, nogi jiu-jitsu, cage wrestling kickboxing) Maybe I got the techniques confused... i dont know
What about getting caught in the single leg
Strangely, guys at the academy where I roll rather pass out of get their arm broken when I counter that effectively. I am sick of this. Besides that, most students don't guillotine me, cause they don't want to be exposed to this counter. Master Jordan.
Why? If they see this coming its easy to avoid/recounter. Just raising the outside leg screws up this counter
@@infiniterer287 There are no way to counter, cause the pressure I use is sick and out of this world. Even purple belts confessed to me they had no choice cause the pressure is unbearable and everything is too tight, you know like when you roll with a seasoned grappler that has worked on his counter for years, refined and polished his techniques ? That's my point.
@@tededo 🤣 Bro stop. This is a double leg to guillotine counter. It literally does not work if the person uses an "arm in guillotine", high guillotine, or simply wraps the body with their legs.
For this to work the defender just literally has to be clueless about how to lock a good guillotine.
Damn I got small shoulders. Time to hit the gym
Classic
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Are blast doubles legal in BJJ? Those would prevent a guillotine since your head is in the chest and not on the side
Yes but BJJ people don't know how to wrestle 😂 their working on it though only illegal takedowns are high crotch at white belt and scissor takedown high c is banned bc people end up landing on their head and paralyzed scissor is banned bc of how common knee and ankle injuries are
Top
Call an ambulance but not for me etc
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I thought it was volkanovsky
You can't have your legs that high, they'll reguard.
You need to balance staying high for pressure, and staying low so they can't reguard. If you're on your knees you lose ability to drive into your opponent as your weight will be on your knees. You can off angle your near side leg to prevent the reguard
Who is gonna hold a guillotine after you pass? If your getting Von Flued with any sort of regularity you need to revisit the basics.
Happens all the time
von preux
😂 funny guy
What do you mean lol
Kinda like an arm triangle?
Yepp 🙂
Beautiful
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One of the guys at my gym taught me this one, haven’t gotten it get but I will someday
Just think……if the dude is on TRT all he has to do is panic and you could be in a wheelchair.
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SUPER risky... anyone with a decent guillotine is not going to let you end up in top side control while hanging onto the choke
There have been multiple von flue choke finishes in the ufc 🤷
Wow
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My coach did that to me and it fucking sucked
U look like Eminem 😅
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Show the other side too next time
Isn’t this what volk did to yair at the end of their fight
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Rough double leg technique....
Ya my partner was really stiff and I had to be careful with him
I'll try this on my gf
Reverse uno card
🤡"grappling doesn't work in street fights"