RIP Joe (guy extracting). This guy was a legend in Az 4x4 recovery and helped me and countless others out. Never seen the snatch ring be used in this fashion and appears to be a great solution.
I cringed when he walked up and stuck the camera (and presumably his face) right next to the line. Edit to add: shouldn't there be a weighted blanket or do you not use them for synthetics?
While I agree with you on the safety first thing, this is not wire rope and stores up that kind of energy, but yes it still can let loose to some degree. Plus, if he stood back 150 feet and shot the video, you'd be complaining you can see anything and what good is the video and what a waste of time it was watching it. He also did wait until the HEAVY part of the pulling was completed before going into the "LINE OF FIRE". Was he stupid or maybe just not a crybaby snowflake....I guess that's for each of us to decide, but for me, after I click REPLY here, I'm crawling back inside my bubble wrap safe space so the scary world doesn't get me.
wjf213 rope does store up that kind of energy. I had a Sampson rope get away from me while pulling large wire in a conduit with a Ugg’s game machine, much like a winch on a truck. It sounded like a file went off when I lost control of it. The power of the rope snapping back hit my thigh & knocked my pocket knife through the material of my jeans pocket & down my pant leg. It left a large bruise on my thigh. Just saying. Never get in front of it or straddle it. You won’t like what will happen.
@@gregphillips1998 Yes, I agree, that's why I said it does not store up "THAT" kind of energy like in wire rope, but never the less it will let loose to some degree. About 25 or 30 years ago I was in a northern Wisconsin bar watching the Bears play the Packers....I was the only Bear fan, so I was a target, fun target though. Anyway, we were all BSing with this old guy in a wheelchair with no legs, and we were all talking telling war stories, and he was funny as hell and saying things about what he did that clearly he needed legs to do, so I asked him what happened to his legs. He said years ago he worked for a company that built pre-stressed concrete bridge parts. He said they used to go down in the pits where they pulled wire rope to "X" amount of tension, and then pour concrete around the wire rope....or some thing to that affect. Anyway, he said one time he was in the pit, and they had a bad wire rope and it broke and came back and took out both his legs in a split second. So while Sampson rope gave you a bruise, it allowed you to keep your leg, because like I said before, it doesn't store up "THAT" kind of energy in it, but it does store up energy to some degree and can still be dangerous. But I completely agree with what you're saying...stay away from any type of rope when winching, and to be honest, I really didn't think it store up as much energy as what it did when it hit you. Thanks for sharing, I learned some thing today and I'm happy you're good to go to share your story.
Recreational off-roaders on the internet: OMG NeVEr StEp OVer tHE WinCH LINEEE!!! Professional recovery expert with +30yrs experience: Steps over barely-loaded winch line
Jose Garcia We do not agree with Joe’s technique but he has been in offroad recovery for more than 30+ years and in one aspect it’s pretty incredible how much he trusts his gear.
Factor 55 poor excuse. I would ask at what point in his 30+ years of experience did he decide it was ok to step over a loaded winch line? I would guess at 30+ years ago.
Would it have been wise to pour a small amount of water on the inner ring of the snatch block?. The ring and the winch block are moving, but the attachment loop is constantly rubbing on the inside of the snatch block. So it will generate heat due to the friction. Water would not deteriorate the synthetic cable
You can see in this video czcams.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/video.html that the heat build-up due to the friction of the ring spinning on the soft shackle is very minimal. Even under a heavy load, the hard-anodized aluminum that the RRP is made out of dissipates heat very quickly.
At the end of pull, was kinetic rope used as the winch rope extension? If the fat looking rope was kinetic rope it isn't a good idea, as huge potential energy will be stored and if it snap, it is like smaug's wiping tail.
No kinetic ropes were used in this rigging. But you are correct. Kinetic ropes should not be used in winch rigging scenarios because of the potential energy storage. Thanks!
I paid $19.00 for each of mine. Remember guys. It's just a chunk of aluminum. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Then charge a fortune. Seen there new winch hook? Already there are a bunch of knock offs on the market for 25% the cost of there's. Some even look way cooler. Have fun.
Ours is the only one with the patented rope retention feature and mil-spec hard anodized with Teflon treatment on the critical friction surface to prolong the life of your synthetic fibers. Yes, there are cheaper options, but none with these features or making them specifically for off-road. Imported aluminum does not have the consistency and repeatability in the material properties or lot traceability. Buyer beware. We will have fun. You stay safe out there.
Always use a snatchblock and mechanical advantage. Never use a straight line pull. I'm glad to see you using proper equipment. I cringe watching people use a straight line pull.
This is a good idea and all,nots as effective as a snatch block but more lighter,quick set up and more safety,since the soft shake will catch the winch rope incase of breaking,but was wondering about the design,its a great pulley,just wanted to ask why not go more into making it like a iddle pulley wheel? Same size,same set up and still safe incase of breaking
Have you seen this testing video? czcams.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/video.html The RRP is quite efficient compared to a traditional snatch block. You are correct. It is not as efficient but it only sees a frictional loss of 6-10% and with conventional vehicle recovery winches we feel this is an acceptable loss for the gains of weight savings and function. Do you mean an idler pulley? We are still in the development of some new products that might better suit your needs.
@@Factor55 thanks for the reply and yeah I seen that video,really nice comparison and all,and yeah it's not a big loss,it is a great product and ik there still more to come,you had made many great products and all wich its impressive, I was just wondering bcuz at times people use more than 1 snatch which in that case it would probably be a greater lost do to the friction it would create, was just curious if that's something that would work better having the inner bearings
Good idea but I prefer cable over syn rope and I use a snatch block. I pull over 25- 30k, my power wagon is equipped with a 40k Garwood pto winch rear frame mount coupled to the 205 transfer case. 200 ft.- 1/2 inch crane cable. If did a video I wouldn't be no where near the cable or any attachments like this guy is just walking over and around the syn rope especially the poly pulley and soft bow wearing in one spot , no way I prefer a pulley with bearing or bushing. But that's a demonstration.
There may be some shops that can get one for you through some of our AU Dealers like Drifta, Offroad Industries, Solve Offroad, SJM, Ontrak, A247, etc as they may have what you’re looking for in stock. If not email us at sales@factor55.com and we can provide you with a quote. Thanks!
I figured out a way to use 2 snatch rings to get a 5:1 or 6:1 ratio by utilizing the middle of the rings as pulleys. 1/2 rope might be too thick to get 3 lines through the middle of the ring without excess friction, but 3/8 rope will work. Here's a diagram of the pulley setup. czcams.com/video/QSRaeuzBQL4/video.html
@@Factor55 Now I see how this works. Very cool. Would it be possible to get a laser temp reading on that pulley while under load for a pull like this, or have you already done that, and if so, what kind of temps are being recorded on a long heavy pull? Keep up the great work.
@@wjf213 Thank you!!! You can view this video below and see the temps associated with heavy pulls are very minimal. czcams.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/video.html The Teflon coated Mil-Spec hard anodizing on the RRP dissipates heat so quickly. It is a very slick surface on the billet aluminum. The RRP does not rotate at a fast enough rate to make heat an issue.
David Broome we are not saying that the friction on the RRP is less than that of a traditional snatch block, we are saying that the increased friction on the RRP is much lower than most would expect. See video in the comments above.
@Ozzy Madrid the efficiency you are sacrificing is minimal and you save, not only on weight but also eliminate the potential of the rope jumping the sheave and becoming bound up between the swing plates, which can happen during momentary slack conditions.
Easy to upgrade. You can find great deals on synthetic rope from Warn, Custom Splice, JM Rigging, Masterpull, or even on Amazon. Feel free to call us if you have any questions. 208-639-1674 Thanks!
RIP Joe (guy extracting). This guy was a legend in Az 4x4 recovery and helped me and countless others out. Never seen the snatch ring be used in this fashion and appears to be a great solution.
Damn thats one hell of a winch, it was pulling non-stop.
I cringed when he stepped over that winch line...
I know...my dangly parts went into retraction!
I know! I came down to comment on that too!
We all did brother.
I cringed when he walked up and stuck the camera (and presumably his face) right next to the line.
Edit to add: shouldn't there be a weighted blanket or do you not use them for synthetics?
Same here never never step over an active cable
Smart! Get your face right in the line of fire.
Can you imagine if something let go right then?
While I agree with you on the safety first thing, this is not wire rope and stores up that kind of energy, but yes it still can let loose to some degree. Plus, if he stood back 150 feet and shot the video, you'd be complaining you can see anything and what good is the video and what a waste of time it was watching it. He also did wait until the HEAVY part of the pulling was completed before going into the "LINE OF FIRE". Was he stupid or maybe just not a crybaby snowflake....I guess that's for each of us to decide, but for me, after I click REPLY here, I'm crawling back inside my bubble wrap safe space so the scary world doesn't get me.
wjf213 rope does store up that kind of energy. I had a Sampson rope get away from me while pulling large wire in a conduit with a Ugg’s game machine, much like a winch on a truck. It sounded like a file went off when I lost control of it. The power of the rope snapping back hit my thigh & knocked my pocket knife through the material of my jeans pocket & down my pant leg. It left a large bruise on my thigh. Just saying. Never get in front of it or straddle it. You won’t like what will happen.
@@gregphillips1998 Yes, I agree, that's why I said it does not store up "THAT" kind of energy like in wire rope, but never the less it will let loose to some degree.
About 25 or 30 years ago I was in a northern Wisconsin bar watching the Bears play the Packers....I was the only Bear fan, so I was a target, fun target though. Anyway, we were all BSing with this old guy in a wheelchair with no legs, and we were all talking telling war stories, and he was funny as hell and saying things about what he did that clearly he needed legs to do, so I asked him what happened to his legs.
He said years ago he worked for a company that built pre-stressed concrete bridge parts. He said they used to go down in the pits where they pulled wire rope to "X" amount of tension, and then pour concrete around the wire rope....or some thing to that affect.
Anyway, he said one time he was in the pit, and they had a bad wire rope and it broke and came back and took out both his legs in a split second.
So while Sampson rope gave you a bruise, it allowed you to keep your leg, because like I said before, it doesn't store up "THAT" kind of energy in it, but it does store up energy to some degree and can still be dangerous.
But I completely agree with what you're saying...stay away from any type of rope when winching, and to be honest, I really didn't think it store up as much energy as what it did when it hit you. Thanks for sharing, I learned some thing today and I'm happy you're good to go to share your story.
@@wjf213 cameras have this new thing called zoom in... You'd love it
That’s a tough looking truck you got there sir! (The Ford doing the pulling)
Recreational off-roaders on the internet: OMG NeVEr StEp OVer tHE WinCH LINEEE!!!
Professional recovery expert with +30yrs experience: Steps over barely-loaded winch line
RIP Joe. Miss all your posts and videos.
Us too.
Guy wants to win the Darwin award. Stupid people, win stupid prizes......
Beautiful nature spot... Trucker being hoisted: " Let's go there with our big 4x4 and destroy it !"
the perfect place for 4x4s
Wow steps over the line that Smart
Jose Garcia We do not agree with Joe’s technique but he has been in offroad recovery for more than 30+ years and in one aspect it’s pretty incredible how much he trusts his gear.
@@Factor55 I love your gear ( wish I could afford some ), but there's absolutely nothing incredible about being stupid.
Factor 55 poor excuse. I would ask at what point in his 30+ years of experience did he decide it was ok to step over a loaded winch line? I would guess at 30+ years ago.
Cool new pulling technology..
Would it have been wise to pour a small amount of water on the inner ring of the snatch block?. The ring and the winch block are moving, but the attachment loop is constantly rubbing on the inside of the snatch block. So it will generate heat due to the friction. Water would not deteriorate the synthetic cable
You can see in this video czcams.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/video.html that the heat build-up due to the friction of the ring spinning on the soft shackle is very minimal. Even under a heavy load, the hard-anodized aluminum that the RRP is made out of dissipates heat very quickly.
At the end of pull, was kinetic rope used as the winch rope extension? If the fat looking rope was kinetic rope it isn't a good idea, as huge potential energy will be stored and if it snap, it is like smaug's wiping tail.
No kinetic ropes were used in this rigging. But you are correct. Kinetic ropes should not be used in winch rigging scenarios because of the potential energy storage. Thanks!
The sand can get super loose in that spot. I buried my Polaris Ranger below the floorboards in that exact spot. 😆 good times!
Joe the man the legend thx for pulling me out of a few fuck ups Rip
Neat idea never seen that before I use synthetic rope and soft shackles now but to a traditional snatch block .
I paid $19.00 for each of mine. Remember guys. It's just a chunk of aluminum. Everyone wants to reinvent the wheel. Then charge a fortune. Seen there new winch hook? Already there are a bunch of knock offs on the market for 25% the cost of there's. Some even look way cooler. Have fun.
Ours is the only one with the patented rope retention feature and mil-spec hard anodized with Teflon treatment on the critical friction surface to prolong the life of your synthetic fibers. Yes, there are cheaper options, but none with these features or making them specifically for off-road. Imported aluminum does not have the consistency and repeatability in the material properties or lot traceability. Buyer beware. We will have fun. You stay safe out there.
Always use a snatchblock and mechanical advantage. Never use a straight line pull. I'm glad to see you using proper equipment. I cringe watching people use a straight line pull.
I would only use a soft shackle with a pulley for change of direction, for double line pull I would use a traditional pulley less friction.
Great demonstration, BUT I wouldn't risk to be on the side of that tensing line, even if you paid me handsomely.
This is a good idea and all,nots as effective as a snatch block but more lighter,quick set up and more safety,since the soft shake will catch the winch rope incase of breaking,but was wondering about the design,its a great pulley,just wanted to ask why not go more into making it like a iddle pulley wheel? Same size,same set up and still safe incase of breaking
Have you seen this testing video?
czcams.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/video.html
The RRP is quite efficient compared to a traditional snatch block. You are correct. It is not as efficient but it only sees a frictional loss of 6-10% and with conventional vehicle recovery winches we feel this is an acceptable loss for the gains of weight savings and function.
Do you mean an idler pulley? We are still in the development of some new products that might better suit your needs.
@@Factor55 thanks for the reply and yeah I seen that video,really nice comparison and all,and yeah it's not a big loss,it is a great product and ik there still more to come,you had made many great products and all wich its impressive, I was just wondering bcuz at times people use more than 1 snatch which in that case it would probably be a greater lost do to the friction it would create, was just curious if that's something that would work better having the inner bearings
Good idea but I prefer cable over syn rope and I use a snatch block. I pull over 25- 30k, my power wagon is equipped with a 40k Garwood pto winch rear frame mount coupled to the 205 transfer case. 200 ft.- 1/2 inch crane cable. If did a video I wouldn't be no where near the cable or any attachments like this guy is just walking over and around the syn rope especially the poly pulley and soft bow wearing in one spot , no way I prefer a pulley with bearing or bushing. But that's a demonstration.
Holy dangerous as fk rigging batman.
Not at all. This truck was stuck for almost 2 days and this extracted the truck with ease.
what was the event? "Christmas tree burn"??
Do you have a seller in Perth Australia?
There may be some shops that can get one for you through some of our AU Dealers like Drifta, Offroad Industries, Solve Offroad, SJM, Ontrak, A247, etc as they may have what you’re looking for in stock.
If not email us at sales@factor55.com and we can provide you with a quote. Thanks!
Sycamore Creek i have pulled someone out of that exact same spot
It is safer to open both cars' hoods. In case the rope is cut down.
🏆🏆🏆💪💪💪👍👍👍
I figured out a way to use 2 snatch rings to get a 5:1 or 6:1 ratio by utilizing the middle of the rings as pulleys. 1/2 rope might be too thick to get 3 lines through the middle of the ring without excess friction, but 3/8 rope will work. Here's a diagram of the pulley setup.
czcams.com/video/QSRaeuzBQL4/video.html
No.
I was waiting for the heavy truck to be extracted!!!! It’s a large 4x4 not a truck
Rookie mistake stepping over that cable bud.
rubber nipples add 100 bucks but still don't add efficiency
I assume the rubber bits keep the line from falling out when there's no tension on it.
Sycamore creek is ruined. It's really sad (and dangerous)
wheres that spot at we trail ride alot & i havent been there?
Did you figure it out??
This method also doubles your winches pulling power.
Really?!😲
Really?!
That’s the only thing it does, what did you think they were talking about?
In this case there is a bit more friction and wont be as close to 2 as normal blocks it seems to me.
So I must say their products seem to be good however their company seems to promote unsafe practices which doesn’t exactly promote sales
Can you use this with steel cable or only synthetic?
Aubrey A the RRP is for synthetic line only. Thanks!
@@Factor55 Now I see how this works. Very cool. Would it be possible to get a laser temp reading on that pulley while under load for a pull like this, or have you already done that, and if so, what kind of temps are being recorded on a long heavy pull? Keep up the great work.
@@wjf213 Thank you!!! You can view this video below and see the temps associated with heavy pulls are very minimal.
czcams.com/video/m9NEI_KV7_c/video.html
The Teflon coated Mil-Spec hard anodizing on the RRP dissipates heat so quickly. It is a very slick surface on the billet aluminum. The RRP does not rotate at a fast enough rate to make heat an issue.
How’s this more beneficial then a snatch block
Besides less moving parts I just see it being under a lot of friction with the similar purpose
There is no way it has less resistance then a block type . The more friction on that point increases higher line values
David Broome we are not saying that the friction on the RRP is less than that of a traditional snatch block, we are saying that the increased friction on the RRP is much lower than most would expect. See video in the comments above.
Factor 55 Soo your sacrificing being more efficient for a little bit of weight?
Kinda all I picked up there
@Ozzy Madrid the efficiency you are sacrificing is minimal and you save, not only on weight but also eliminate the potential of the rope jumping the sheave and becoming bound up between the swing plates, which can happen during momentary slack conditions.
If only I have a synthetic line😞
Easy to upgrade. You can find great deals on synthetic rope from Warn, Custom Splice, JM Rigging, Masterpull, or even on Amazon.
Feel free to call us if you have any questions. 208-639-1674
Thanks!
That guy wants his nuts taken out by the breaking line. Or maybe he already had them taken out from one of previous pulls.
Just use some TruckClaws!
Grow up! Always people like that that ruin the good things.
Typical Ford owner...an F150 in a river.
rip joe