Perimeter Field Fence Installation

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  • čas přidán 4. 04. 2017
  • Our friends Stacy and Virginia from Blue Creek Dairy farm come over to show me how to install perimeter field fencing with cedar fence posts.
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Komentáře • 198

  • @fionajane56
    @fionajane56 Před 6 lety +2

    What a super section of fence. We just got our fence project done on our small farm. A solid secure perimeter fence is invaluble and allows endless interior arrangements with non permanent fence. Your doing an inspiring job on your homestead.

  • @nancyfahey7518
    @nancyfahey7518 Před 6 lety +3

    Stacy is a very good teacher. You're lucky to have friends like that.

  • @BobbleheadHomestead
    @BobbleheadHomestead Před 7 lety +8

    That was a lot of smart info about fencing, thank you to Stacy for the knowledge. And thanks for putting together another educational and fun video for us.

  • @HighTideSoaps
    @HighTideSoaps Před 2 lety

    After putting in two horse pastures, a riding arena, a paddock and a huge chain link yard fence by ourselves my Husband and I can definitely say those hand-held post rammers will do a number on your elbow joints! Thanks for the tips, have never used T-bars before and we're going to be doing a perimeter fence on a new property so this was very helpful in refreshing our memories!

  • @PocketMusicNZ
    @PocketMusicNZ Před 5 lety

    Thanks for your great video which will help me and my wife install our new sheep fencing in New Zealand. What a lovely bunch of people.

  • @mccrack77
    @mccrack77 Před 7 lety +2

    Looks amazing so far. Also looks like a lot of hard work! Really nice of your friends to help you out. Stacy sure knows what he's doing. You live in a great area with so many caring and giving people.

  • @huntready1435
    @huntready1435 Před 6 lety +6

    We're getting ready to put perimeter fence up in the next month or so. Good instructional video!

  • @hermitld
    @hermitld Před 7 lety +4

    Excellent DIY video, great techniques both in the filming and the fence construction, well done by all.

  • @joansmith3492
    @joansmith3492 Před 7 lety +2

    Nice fence. I liked the little fence wrapping tool. I've never seen such a thing. Stacy and Virginia really helped you out!

  • @1wolfpup
    @1wolfpup Před 7 lety +2

    Great video explaining the fencing. Thanks for sharing as you learn.

  • @ChickaWoofRanch
    @ChickaWoofRanch Před 7 lety +6

    It's a slow but gratifying job plus, your learning some skills you'll never forget. Stacy knows his stuff that's for sure! And whatever you do... don't wait until it's 95 degrees and the ground is like concrete (did that several years in a row).

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 7 lety

      Sound advice! Thank you

    • @Steve-ps6qw
      @Steve-ps6qw Před 6 lety

      interesting, the ground gets that hard in the summer? Here in Miami it would be a marsh in the summer, I would say do that in the winter. But I'm literally on the opposite side of the country, diagonally speaking.

  • @janeyfisherhope
    @janeyfisherhope Před 5 lety +1

    About to install a little bit of fencing for our dogs just outside London, UK. Loved watching your video, looks like a completely different world and amazing!! Hard work though -Well Done!! -such a huge area to cover compared to my little garden :-)

  • @HiddenMeadowFarm
    @HiddenMeadowFarm Před 7 lety

    I had to come back and revisit this video because we are about to get started on some new perimeter fencing. About 4000 feet. Thanks for the instruction.

  • @teauxmeauxfarms1480
    @teauxmeauxfarms1480 Před 5 lety +2

    Love This! Thanks Gents. Excellent Work!

  • @lisaalbarras3029
    @lisaalbarras3029 Před 4 lety

    Yeah, so I am gonna need Stacy to come over and install my fence 😊 seriously, great job!

  • @carolinebaines8735
    @carolinebaines8735 Před 7 lety +3

    Great job! You guys accomplished a lot!!!

  • @vd2597
    @vd2597 Před 4 lety

    Great video, thanks so much for taking the time to post. Learned a lot and am feeling pretty confident about my future project

  • @brianphilbrook5262
    @brianphilbrook5262 Před 7 lety

    Man you have me so anxious to finish my pasture fences now. Good work

  • @vnthomas16
    @vnthomas16 Před 7 lety

    Loved working with you, and thanks for the great lunch! Looking forward to future visits!

  • @Suburbanstoneage
    @Suburbanstoneage Před 4 lety

    Thank you! This vid makes it seem very do-able. A focused effort, but definitely do-able. Wish me luck!

  • @binaryflat
    @binaryflat Před 6 lety +1

    Great job! I have got some of this to do myself. This helps me. Thanks!

  • @catezaida8081
    @catezaida8081 Před rokem +1

    WOW. Nice neighbors! And good work, y'all!!!

  • @KumiOriFarm
    @KumiOriFarm Před 7 lety +5

    I really enjoyed this video, as I need to do some fencing here myself. Perhaps you could share how you came to choose this fence style and the what other options you eliminated and why.

  • @lewiss350
    @lewiss350 Před 5 lety

    Great detail - had some ideas of my own, but this was very helpful. Thx!

  • @onfarm6521
    @onfarm6521 Před 7 lety +3

    Learned quite a bit from this video! I'm used to barbwire but this was interesting to learn about!

  • @Jt-lg4ob
    @Jt-lg4ob Před 5 lety

    Excellent job on video what nice neighbors

  • @isaaclinscheid4273
    @isaaclinscheid4273 Před 7 lety

    Looks like we are getting closer and closer to letting your homestead grow within a blink of an eye with getting pigs and sheep and baby chicks and meat birds. I love that this is happening and that you can take along your homestead journey from day on when you first moved in.

  • @jonathanayling4378
    @jonathanayling4378 Před 7 lety +3

    Great choice of a fencing trainer! And a great start on the project. Congratulations!

  • @marywolford2734
    @marywolford2734 Před 5 lety +1

    This has been super helpful. Thank you!!

  • @Hiller84
    @Hiller84 Před 4 lety

    I’m putting in fencing now for the first time and your video has been a great help. Thank you! BTW I’m pretty sure we live in the same county.

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 4 lety

      Awesome! I'm glad it was helpful. You can send me an email: dan at grassfedhomestead dot com about being neighbors

  • @vnthomas16
    @vnthomas16 Před 7 lety +15

    When transferring the stretched woven wire from our anchor point (in this case, Dan's truck) to the brace, we first cut a center horizontal wire free, wrap it around the wood post and back to itself. We then start alternating with the horizontal wires above and below, working away from the center. Stop when only the top and bottom wires remain. These are usually a heavier gauge wire. DO NOT CUT THESE WIRES YET! IT COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS! At this point, slowly ease the tension off your anchor point, transferring it to the brace. Once the top and bottom wires are slackened, it is now safe to cut them and transfer them to the brace.
    When working with, and stretching wire, be very careful. If wire under tension breaks, the snap-back could injure someone severely. Maybe even kill someone Additionally, a loose wire could poke someone in the eye, or snag someone and cut them. And finally, think of your animals. If bits of wire or loose staples are left on the ground, they could pick them up while grazing, giving them hardware disease that could kill them.
    Whatever you use as an anchor point, make sure it is strong enough to support the job you're doing. A truck or tractor might work, or even a conveniently located stout tree. But otherwise you might have to build a "dummy brace"... A second, temporary brace in line with your fence line to pull from.
    We space our posts every 16.5'. In fencing terms, that is one rod. On any physical barrier fence, I would never exceed that. Where livestock pressure is higher, like a corral, you might want to consider placing them closer. There is no "standard". It is all a balance of time, effort, and money. We also interspace wood posts to add strength to physical barrier fences. In our case, it's every 4th post. Wood resists bending forces better than steel "T" posts.

    • @natasia61589
      @natasia61589 Před 5 lety

      Can you tell me what the little pen looking tool you used to bend the wire is called? Thanks

    • @thomaskelly3929
      @thomaskelly3929 Před 5 lety

      Blue Creek Dairy Farm WA
      O. 🛢🛢🛢📹📡⏳💷..

    • @rodman7224
      @rodman7224 Před 7 měsíci

      Great advice

  • @bry8890
    @bry8890 Před 2 lety

    Cant believe I learned so much about fencing in an 18 minute video. THANKS ALOT you got my sub.

  • @alexhaywood9706
    @alexhaywood9706 Před 10 měsíci

    I found wrapping a long measuring tape around the brace twice to find the length of the wire before cutting it, made the install of the wire easier.

  • @timdrake9326
    @timdrake9326 Před 5 lety

    Great video. Very helpful, thank you.

  • @heavenscenthomestead4242
    @heavenscenthomestead4242 Před 7 lety +4

    Nice! glad you are doing it right. A good perimeter fence is a good investment.

  • @SethHall117
    @SethHall117 Před 7 lety +3

    That auger looks like it'd come in handy. I didn't want to use post hole diggers for all my round posts so will have to try and find one of those.

    • @vnthomas16
      @vnthomas16 Před 7 lety +1

      The Hall Hobby Farm The auger is a Seymour AUA2 that we have used a lot. It is on Amazon for about $62.

    • @SethHall117
      @SethHall117 Před 7 lety

      Blue Creek Dairy Farm WA Thank you so much!

  • @Guildbrookfarm
    @Guildbrookfarm Před 7 lety +20

    Omg I have been using just the post hole digger. I need that auger thingy!

    • @DMACHOLMAN
      @DMACHOLMAN Před 5 lety

      Lol! Thingy.....

    • @michaelhamlin4585
      @michaelhamlin4585 Před 4 lety +4

      "Thingy" my foot. You need a tractor with an auger or at least rent a motorized auger and get you a chainsaw to cut those brace poles. I hate to think I was going to put up that much wire with the tools you have....but then again you are not as lazy as me.

  • @BetterTogetherLife
    @BetterTogetherLife Před 6 lety +1

    Ooooo, I need me one of those manual augers!

  • @amyjohnson7834
    @amyjohnson7834 Před 7 lety

    looks good and I had no idea it was so much work to put in sheep fencing!

  • @erosendaul
    @erosendaul Před 7 lety

    Good stuff! I just helped some friends do the same thing on Saturday!

  • @clambert2020
    @clambert2020 Před 5 lety +1

    What is that slick wire twisting pen and where can I get one? Great video. Thanks

  • @LangFamilyFarmsLA
    @LangFamilyFarmsLA Před 7 lety

    Super informative video! awesome JOB!!

  • @devingoulding3200
    @devingoulding3200 Před 7 lety

    Great video! Thanks.

  • @jacobcairnes521
    @jacobcairnes521 Před 6 lety +2

    Man, it must be nice to be able to go that deep with a hand auger. Where im at, we hit either hardpan or rock right around 10-12 inches. Nice looking fence by tbe way

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 6 lety

      Thanks Jacob. Yeah, we have good soil for digging

    • @jacobcairnes521
      @jacobcairnes521 Před 6 lety

      Would you mind posting a link to that wire twisting tool. That thing looks handy. I looked for one online, but cant find one like it

  • @woodman1701
    @woodman1701 Před 4 lety

    Best field fencing vid I’ve seen yet.

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 4 lety

      Thanks, Jason!

    • @woodman1701
      @woodman1701 Před 4 lety

      That’s the first time I’ve seen cutting and wrapping the ends from the center out while under strain. I’ve always strained from between the H brace, hammer stretching last 3 feet and stapling off.
      I’m gonna try your style next time.

  • @funkdoobeast9349
    @funkdoobeast9349 Před rokem

    Awesome video. Thanks

  • @joyhughes750
    @joyhughes750 Před 4 lety

    That was so inspiring to watch. Shame I am in Australia!

  • @jeffery19677
    @jeffery19677 Před 6 lety

    Its great that you are learning new skills! A heavier post driver will require less strokes to install posts. You might weld an extra few ounces to a pound on top of the driver. (Welding is another great homestead skill.) Knowledge weighs nothing. :-)

  • @gregbrooks9546
    @gregbrooks9546 Před 5 lety

    I am getting ready to do this for my garden. Did you use a 6" auger and 6" Post or 8" auger with 6" post. I have a 6" auger just like that but want to use 6" post on my corners and it seems like if you dig a 6" hole for a 6" post there would be no back fill and not sure if that would be good or bad.

  • @ChicagoCFH
    @ChicagoCFH Před 7 lety

    cool video man. keep em coming

  • @johnnypesto8441
    @johnnypesto8441 Před 7 lety

    Awesome job on the fencing us viewers give it👍👍

  • @hairymanonetwo
    @hairymanonetwo Před 4 lety

    When ever placing corner post.... " try " to plan ahead. Plant the corner posts the year before you string the wire. Then.....only string the wire when the posts are frozen in the ground ( provided it freezes where you live ) . This way each post in the fence holds some tension. At all cost try not to string wire the same year you install the corner post. After installing the corner post use water to settle the ground around the post. For a few days....add water around the post . The water will eliminate any air......firming up the soil. If needed...... Use a tractor or some other means to hold the corner post ( on each end ) in place while tightening the wire. Again this way all the posts share the tension in the fence line. Also..... use something like a cement silo stave and place it just below the surface of the ground in front of the post. This acts to spread out the force and holds the post in place. Its like pulling a string through your hand compared to a rope. Spread out the force over a wider area of ground. Instead of a 6 inch post the stave can act as a 24 inch post. When making the spices / connections at the corner post...always center them to the post ......other wise as in this video ....often the tension will rotate the post rendering your braces worthless !

  • @HiddenMeadowFarm
    @HiddenMeadowFarm Před 7 lety

    I like your fence stretcher. I have its twin that I use.

  • @Nolia23
    @Nolia23 Před 6 lety

    Does Joel Salatin use that kind of perimeter fencing? Was searching and your video up! Deff got a thumbs up!

  • @scratchmadehomestead9343

    Please go into more detail about post spacing & the tieing of the wire to the wooden posts at the end of this video. You showed cutting some of the fence and wrapping around the post. Thanks for showing. We have 26 acres needing fencing!

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 7 lety

      I'm following up with your comment in tomorrow's video

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 7 lety +2

      I just reread your comment and realized I misinterpreted what you were asking about spacing. I thought you meat spacing between each post but now I realize you were asking about spacing between the line brace posts. The "H" post was originally 8' but we shortened them slightly because if we didn't the spacing would have had the vertical post potentially over utilities. So we just shorted it to where the post was clear of the utilities. You don't have to shorten it unless there are circumstances like that

  • @realestateinfonet9041
    @realestateinfonet9041 Před 3 lety

    Great video!

  • @maziekeene4556
    @maziekeene4556 Před 4 lety

    I'm glad I found this video, we are making our first permanent fencing with field wire. We had built a temporary with cattle panels that will be In this area for their shelter since we built a barn area there. I missed it but what are the long spikes yall put in to hold the h support posts together with?

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 4 lety +1

      exactly that....spikes. I got them in the fencing section at the local farm store. You should be able to get them at Tractor Supply and other similar stores. I think they are 10" nails (spikes).

    • @maziekeene4556
      @maziekeene4556 Před 4 lety

      @@TheGrassfedHomestead thank you! Wasnt sure if they had a name or not for them. 😂

  • @bigreddoggy55
    @bigreddoggy55 Před 4 lety

    Great Job

  • @jasonwhitecotton6851
    @jasonwhitecotton6851 Před 5 lety

    Great video! I was wondering about how to attach the wire to the crank when bracing your first post. Also, do you not start on the outside at the corner and rotate the the inside of the tpost so animals cannot push out? It looked like it was all on the inside....looks great regardless I just wanna make sure I do it right. Thanks!

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 5 lety

      I'm not sure Jason. If you go over to the Blue Creek Dairy Farm channel and ask Stacy, he'll be able to answer your questions

  • @MattyH907
    @MattyH907 Před 7 lety

    Hey...nice hoodie! USCGC Swordfish!

  • @saswk1
    @saswk1 Před 4 lety +1

    What spacing did you use between Wood posts? Thank You for a nice video

  • @mimicolvin3200
    @mimicolvin3200 Před 4 lety +2

    Why not oil your post and cover the part that goes into the ground with roofing tar to prevent wood rot. The post will last longer. Good luck with your fence. Be safe and God bless

  • @ncooty
    @ncooty Před 7 lety +2

    Now, those are friends.

  • @-TiMthisIS-
    @-TiMthisIS- Před rokem

    Needed a cut off log to tap that t bar digger against for some easier clearing.

  • @breadoflifeministries01

    Thank you i have saved your video and will be making use of this, May the Lord Jesus bless you.

  • @josephhall2858
    @josephhall2858 Před 3 lety

    Great community, that's not an easy job!

  • @rongrey7449
    @rongrey7449 Před 4 lety

    What’s the name of the part that holds the tension wire called?

  • @TheApprenticeFarmer
    @TheApprenticeFarmer Před 7 lety +1

    That's a lot of fencing, but I can relate. Questions:
    Did you use treated posts?
    What spacing did you use between T posts?
    No concrete?
    Well done! I watched the entire video. :)

  • @fomoco300k
    @fomoco300k Před 7 lety +1

    where did you find the cedar posts and how did they compare in price to pressure treated posts of the same diameter?
    excellent fence build video! subscribing.... now.

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 7 lety +3

      Thank you! We appreciate the support. I found the posts on Craig's List. I never looked at the pricing for pressure treated because I wasn't ever planning on using them. I paid around $6 for the narrower posts and $8 for the wider ones, I believe

  • @warmertubat3789
    @warmertubat3789 Před 3 lety

    Hello sir. What's the name of the tool used in pulling the hog wire. At 16.20 of your video.

  • @benpierce6084
    @benpierce6084 Před 4 lety

    Thanks for the informative video about to build one just like this. Just wondering how far apart did you space the wooden post apart? I know the t post go about 10' apart.

  • @onedazinn998
    @onedazinn998 Před 7 lety

    Oh Dan...where were you with this video when we had ours installed this past summer....the guys who did ours could have watched this and NOT botched our fence job o.- What a blessing your friends Stacy & Virginia were...& it looks great! We have all wood posts except for their attempt to support their lame job ...with t-posts. lol and they fastened the fence on the wrong side of the posts...at least you can rest well knowing that your spent your hard earned dollars well brother. :) I'll have to make a video on how not to trust craigslist contractors in the boonies...and fencing on rock hills complicates it all. Anyways - it looks wonderful for you. :)

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 7 lety

      Thanks! I'm standing by for that video you're gonna make!

    • @onedazinn998
      @onedazinn998 Před 7 lety

      hah! you'll be waiting a long time ...I don't even have a phone! o.- I'll leave the teaching to you & young homesteaders like you...you guys make me proud!

  • @mick3805
    @mick3805 Před 7 lety

    Good job well done

  • @michaelwall1166
    @michaelwall1166 Před 6 lety +1

    what size drill bit do I need for the nail spikes?

  • @jeremywyatt50
    @jeremywyatt50 Před 4 lety

    Awesome video.. making fence for sheep also. What size diameter is your wooden end post?

  • @vikingexperience5089
    @vikingexperience5089 Před 4 lety +2

    I would fill some gravel around the bars for better drainage ... Just a thought ..

    • @theresam567
      @theresam567 Před 3 lety

      Around the T-posts? No, not how they work, would cause problems.

    • @vikingexperience5089
      @vikingexperience5089 Před 3 lety

      @@theresam567 How??

    • @theresam567
      @theresam567 Před 3 lety

      @@vikingexperience5089 We have hard clay soil, with hardpan maybe 12" down. The worst soil ever. :/ We have T-posts everywhere. We've had to reinforce wood posts because they were cemented in, rotted out...me & my daughter didn't know how to remove, or too hard to remove. So, we used the t-posts thinking easiest & cheapest...holy cow not really. The soil...rocks...smh. Once they're in, they're in never to be pulled out. :/ I think adding gravel for us wouldn't work, maybe in "good" soil. Besides, that plate (t?) is supposed to grip the soil, & I think the gravel would interfere a bit.

    • @vikingexperience5089
      @vikingexperience5089 Před 3 lety

      @@theresam567 Ok :)

  • @fullhouseofcard
    @fullhouseofcard Před 2 lety

    How did you determine the spacing of the t-posts and the wood posts?

  • @YahuahxYahusha
    @YahuahxYahusha Před 5 měsíci

    How far apart are you placing the cedar posts and then how far apart are the t posts between those?

  • @bighammer587
    @bighammer587 Před 6 lety +1

    I like to backfill my posts with crushed rock..

  • @adamant3316
    @adamant3316 Před rokem

    As someone else who is new this the price of all this has me gasping lol. Also I wish my soil was like this, bedrock after 6 inches. No choice but to spend the extra money and work to set the corner posts in concrete. Can't backfill a hole with chunks of unsettled rock.

  • @cjamonwilliams
    @cjamonwilliams Před 4 lety

    You gotta do a crawfish boil for this guy at your house.. He helped you out!

  • @gregbrooks9546
    @gregbrooks9546 Před 5 lety

    It looks like you have 3 T-post in between a wood post the entire length. Can you tell me how many feet between each T-post and how many feet between each wood post.

  • @jddickens7086
    @jddickens7086 Před rokem

    Where do you get the little wire tensioner on the h braces?

  • @jamiekirk7227
    @jamiekirk7227 Před 3 lety

    How long were the posts you used? And how tall of fence will you use?

  • @bayarea6464
    @bayarea6464 Před 6 lety

    how many feet did you do and how much was cost

  • @djw5454
    @djw5454 Před 7 lety +1

    can you put a list of the tools you used on this job in the comment section? Thanks and nice job!

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 7 lety

      auger, t-post pounder, drill, saw, t-post clip tool, fence stretcher, post hole digger, shovel, tamper bar....hmmm...am I missing anything?

  • @zgburks
    @zgburks Před 6 lety

    Where did you get that tool to wrap the wire and clips?

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 6 lety

      I'll have to dig up the link for it. If you send me an email: dan at grassfedhomestead dot com I will find it and send it to you

  • @onedazinn998
    @onedazinn998 Před 7 lety

    oh ps: you'll have to cook dinner for them to say thanks! Good neighbors they are!

  • @markthompsoncpa
    @markthompsoncpa Před 4 lety

    You could radius out the ends of the crossmember for a better looking fit

  • @hairymanonetwo
    @hairymanonetwo Před 4 lety

    When fixing the splices on the main corner post....always center them !! As you have therm here... the " pull " of the fence will literally turn the post in the ground making your braces worthless ! Same with top barbs...always alternate or center them !

  • @bretondeardorf6427
    @bretondeardorf6427 Před 5 lety

    Shout out to CGC Swordfish. CGC Coho and Brant myself! Dude must've been an MK cause he was sure putting in that work hahaha. ;);)

  • @maurylopez2728
    @maurylopez2728 Před 4 lety

    Ragnar Lothbrok going back to farming!

  • @todtod5163
    @todtod5163 Před 6 lety

    Are thy not using quickcrete? or did i miss that?

    • @TheGrassfedHomestead
      @TheGrassfedHomestead  Před 6 lety +1

      no, that would be unreasonable to use quickcrete for so many posts. It is packed with earth and almost strong as cement

  • @mikesmith3933
    @mikesmith3933 Před 5 lety +1

    How tall is the woven wire u used

  • @pielcanela1081
    @pielcanela1081 Před 2 lety

    💥

  • @cbwmama8461
    @cbwmama8461 Před 7 lety

    Did you find the old survey?

  • @itsjustmoney9039
    @itsjustmoney9039 Před 5 lety

    Those fancy ratchets make your corner and H post cost more than they have to.. same result by just tying the two loops, then putting about a 18-24” stick between them and twisting them together.

  • @a.saintango1311
    @a.saintango1311 Před 2 lety

    The “Dude” says cool until he grows up and learns what digging post holes by hand all day it’s like 😂. Good thing is by that point you’ll be on the sidelines watching him saying “cool” when he says he’s spending the day digging you’ll be sitting back telling him it’s not straight 🤣

  • @smilingdog54
    @smilingdog54 Před 6 lety +1

    How far apart are the t posts?

  • @HugoSan432
    @HugoSan432 Před 2 lety

    I've got 288 feet to put up but have zero experience in fencing so I'll need some help