Recreating the Dry '70s Drums of Fleetwood Mac 'Rumours' | What's That Sound? Ep.9
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The dry, hi-fi drums of Fleetwood Mac's 1977 masterpiece 'Rumours' would be at home in any recording today. See how close Noam & Jessica got to matching this timeless drum sound.
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Mick Fleetwood being 6'7" is probably the reason for the distance between the snare and hi- hat.
holy shit I did not know he was that tall
Ok
😂 He's torso is still in proportion though... I would hope
Mick Fleetwood is NOT that tall 😭
@@giogiosan281 Right. I’ve met him before, he’s 6’5”.
By trade, I'm a hard rock/heavy metal musician (drums & guitar)... this era of drum recording (and this album, in particular) has some of my all-time favorite drum sounds. I enjoy & appreciate the ever-loving crap outta this video series!
Nicely done. I've tried numerous ways to do this in the past but never got it to sound as good as you guys did. I shall steal your tips.
Go forth and steal away!
This series is excellent
You forgot to add the mountains of cocaine, essential to the tone
they always had the cocaine in the studio budget
I got a nosebleed and heart palpitations just thinking about it
@@WARMTAPESAlso, apparently recording studios back in the day weren’t even really cheaper than they are now. If anything they jacked up their day rates when they knew a big band with a huge label budget was coming in. I saw an old invoice for Rolling Stones sessions at Muscle Shoals in the late 60’s and just the studio day rate was like $2k/day! That didn’t even include the engineers or the producer(s) fees.
To avoid the bleed between the HH and the snare drum, you can put a small gobo in plywood with self adhesive bitumen damping matts on both side. It's really heavy and isolates really well. It was common for funk records and 70/80s pop like MJ Thriller. I love this sound, it's almost like a drum machine. Nice video thanks
There is such a "satisfying" quality to this drum sound. The simplicity and simple punchiness is very pleasant to the ears. I love the crazy Bonzo sound of the early 70's, I think the gated verb sound of the 80's is charming, and 90's rock drums slam hard AF. But this one is so smooth and simple, great for mellower bands like Fleetwood
I love the 70s drum sound, I like the 90s drum sound too, but I HATE 80s gated reverb drums.
God, those toms are SPOT ON 🤯
I’ve always like the mid to late 70s “west coast” drum sounds. One of my favorite drum sounds of the era is “After the Love is Gone” by Earth Wind and Fire. That track might not be as dry as the Rumours drums but it’s a very up close intimate sound.
Yes, EW&F were a soul/funk band with a slick LA studio sound, the albums from 75-82 are all killer musically and sonically.
I agree, but it's the kind of drum sound that only works when it's tucked into a mix. It wouldn't work on a jazz record.
A seventies Bill Bruford sound would be a nice one to recreate, the one from The Yes Album or Close to the Edge :)
Or from the King Crimson album Red
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I wish you did the led zeppelin 2 drum sound. What Eddie Kramer and Glynn Johns did there is really something else still to this day. The low end on the whole album is other worldly, but the kick drum especially! Can’t talk about heartbreaker, the lemon song, whole lotta love and ramble on enough. Or even since i’ve been loving you from LZ3, becase that kick’s resonance and body goes really deep into your soul! Gosh, i hope one day i can see guys you breaking these down🙏🏻🤞🏻
Love from Hungary♥️
hands down one of the best produced songs ever
Rumours is the quintessential hi-fi album.
um...Aja?
@@alexanderyaroslavich2703 Oooh I think you got me there.
Love this!!
Recorded my drums like this today and it rocks!!
these vids are so cool! I've always loved this particular drum sound, especially on the song "Dreams"
Thanks. Fun to revisit that era’s sound production.
I’ve always liked the drum sound on FM’s eponymous record as well as Rumours, very cool to see how they did it
Love it, thanks! Maybe still a little brighter/crispier in the high end than the original but sounds absolutely marvelous. Well, who am I to keep you down...
Pretty cool and that's my favorite from Fleetwood Mac " Dreams " beat / song! Awesome job!🎼🤘🏾😎
Love those dead 70’s drums. I Can’t Tell You Why has a great sound too.
Good example!
Love that sound!
I fucking love these sample packs, keep 'em comin'!
Love this sound
The Cure album Faith - amazing drum sound!🙏🏻❤️
All Cats Are Grey is amazing
In Ken Caillet's book, he notes that they used an API console and he was a big fan of digging into the eq's. Nice vid!
great stuff keep it comin’
Love it! Great vid, thank you!
Love this track
I dare you guys to recreate Nirvana's In Utero drum sound!
Y'all nailed it
This is awesome, love this series! Would love to see a break down of the drum sounds on Beck's 'Sea Change'... One of my favourite drum sounds.
James gadson is that sound
Wowzers, this is great, thanks!
Sounds great.
right
Spot on.
Please do ‘when the levee breaks’ drums. reckon that would be dope!!
Interesting stuff gang. Thanks for the tips and tricks. I'm looking at my own drums pretty hard on my Lo-fi chill tracks. I'm a bit limited, because I don't want to use a DAW to create, and am exploring other ways of getting cool sounds.
I love how this sounds. Could we get the individual samples, please?
I don't play drums, but this videos are really rad
curious about which envelope follower plugin was used. great video as always
that envelope is what they used to do too, especially on tusk if u listen to the demos & the final drums
Superb Mick-Style playing, by the way :-)
Killer sound and vid
Similar intro to The Doors Hello I love you. Love the drum sound of Grace Jones Slave to the rhythm.
Would really love a Clouds Taste Metallic/Race for the Prize (Flaming Lips) drum video
That was great! We’re you doing the eq on computer rather than the desk while tracking?
70s sounds are so clean and open, today everything is compressed like plywood
I think I ones saw some footage of Mac Fleetwood recording his snare seperatet from the rest of the kit. And with a mad expression on his face...
Very nice video! I see you use the BFD snare muffler. To your ears in the room they usually sound great, but I find that for recording, they sometimes kill the drum a bit too much, which may be why you need the "cheat" transient designer on the snare track?
Would love to see you figure out “Hallogallo” by Neu!
Will there be a sample set for the individual parts of the the kit? So we can play it our own way? ;-) I guess you already recorded them? In my dreams that is. You make playin' fun.
you should all reach out to ken caillat who worked on the original recording. a lot of the sound came from the room it was recorded in. it was a tom hidley design which was known to be super dead. recorded with an api console.
Be curious to see a Smashing Pumpkins Siamese Dream episode, Matt Chamberlain’s drums sound great considering they have to compete with Billy Corgan’s wall of fuzzed out guitars (rumors of some tracks having dozens of guitar tracks stacked on top of each other.)
I believe you mean Jimmy. And I agree.
@@jaysonredd5126 right, though Matt is another great drummer.
Great drum sound. Jimmy has always been fond of his Radio King (???) snare drum on that record.
@@Tyrannosaurine Slingerland Radio King, apparently made in various head and depth sizes over the years. Looks like Jimmy actually sold the one he played on “Today” on Reverb a while ago for $4 grand! (I believe he has been known to play two different sizes of snare on tour.)
@@joermnyc Nice! Thanks for the information.
Good job... so the hi frequencies in the snare sound were just from the overheads or the envelope follower or both? the snare wire sound was always very present in the F M drum sound so surprised you didn't have a bottom snare mic but either way it worked!
Do more dirty/processed drums! Like the song “Cheerleader” by St Vincent - anything John Congleton has produced, honestly
You have to do the ELO/ Jeff Lynne drum sound!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes!!! Yes!!!!!
Hi @reverb Could you upload the separate samples please? There's just a loop on the download link :) Thanks
What version of Protools did Fleetwood Mac use?
What did you add the envelope follower to which drum or mic?
How about Alan Tew's soundtrack for The Hanged Man? Now that's a smooth drum tone.
That's definitely the sound of the 70s. Lol I remember going into studios with my dad in the late 70s and 80s and the rooms were all so dead. Everyone would marvel at a dead room. Now, I'm looking for the complete opposite.
In the days of tape and vinyl we never heard drums like we would live. Extreme compression or backing off on levels, or deadening the sound of the drums with physical covers and barriers. The drums in most my rock and jazz vinyl was so suppressed they might as well been playing carboard boxes. Drums were not a part of reality in the recording, with electric guitars out front all the time. For a young audiophile of the 1970's, drums were always the most disappointing unrealistic instrument in the recording.
but the performances transcended everything
Can someone kindly explain what he meant by "adding an envelope follower" to the kick means? I know it traces the transient, but is it being sent to something else?
Not a drum mixing expert by any means, but it also reminds me of Ringo on Abbey Road
Super dry…dampened…sure I can see it.
Lefty Drummers FTW - thanks!!!!
can you do t rex mad donna?
This is such a great drum sound. Any chance you guys can upload the one-shots like you have for some of the others kits?
i'd love to see
- Portishead - Cowboy's drum sound
- Martin Hannett's Joy Division drum sound
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Paolo at Synth Mania did a little jam in a MH/JD style and I found it useful for learning about the technique czcams.com/video/tiGYEkA_nqA/video.html
While I enjoy both them enough, let’s be honest, what you’re asking for isn’t going to please that many people and is therefore kinda unlikely, right? I mean, Rumors sold tens of millions of copies. Portishead, not so much.
@@josephmartin8169 I totally agree that many very talented bands saw little or no success. I actually really like Portishead. I listen to far more obscure music at times and would love some sort of breakdown on their music, but I acknowledge that it’s pretty unlikely.
Oasis Definitely maybe era drums. Shaker maker, supersonic, live forever. ..please.
I bet that Mick Fleetwood's loooong legs and arms made spacing the instruments out easy-peasey.
Ahhh...what's up with the curve on that 451?
When you have drums and drumming wife, you don’t need any Eq.
Confused why this is one of the only "What's that sound" that is just a loop and not individual samples. Any chance on getting the individual drum samples?
What’s on the snare drum for muffling ?
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cant find the sample pack on the link..
Hey Antonio, sorry about that. We have the stereo drum loop from this video here now, along with sample packs from the rest of the series: bit.ly/3nOuzKt
@@Reverb Thanks! any chance of getting one shot hits of this kit?
Also, "Modern-Retro Drum Sample Pack in the Style of "Rehab"" and "Drum Sounds in the Style of John Lennon's "Instant Karma"" packs are in a strange format and i can't open them.
Snare is slightly bright, otherwise y'all nailed it!
I vote for Amen, Brother. Should just get it out of the way now.
For me it sound as if the overheads were actually a recorderman setup. Becouse while the hihat is seperated, it doesnt sound to me as if its on the left of the kit. This strange stereo yet centered sound always is evidance for this oh setup. Also they allegidly used a 441 on the kick. Would have loved to hwar that!
Anyone know what bpm she's playing at?
Either 69, 420 or 666 bpm.
YMMV
Eagles hotel California album had a similar drum sound
So did anyone talk to mick Fleetwood 🤔
Also the drums on that album were 2nd generation. They lost all the highs on the master tape of the drums because they wore it out. The 2nd Gen safety copy were clearer then the 1st gen tape.
Why don’t you ask the producer of rumors
I love, love this series, but dampened means to make something damp or wet. Damped is the correct term...
Warm dry 70s drums >>>>>>>> Hollow gated-reverb 80s drums.
Sounds really good. Would love to get clean individual hits, as well.
I think the OHs are filtered a little too much, actually... could have either lowered the frequency or maybe used a gentler slope. Hats and cymbals sound very tinny and AM-radio-y; which could be cool, but not alongside the much fuller sounding shells. There's a disconnect between shells and china to my ear that is not there in the Fleetwood Mac, Eagles, etc. tracks of the era. Just my opinion, YMMV.
It really does sound like this in the actual record. It work great in the full mix.
I was a huge Fleetwood Mac fan until they thought firing Lindsey Buckingham was a good idea. The 2 in the video, I don't believe were born when this album was released. Lol To me, Dreams is a 2 chord wonder and a truly great example of beauty in simplicity.
@@lyricbread exhausting but absolutely necessary!
My fav is the LP Buckingham Nicks
Only because it was the Worst Drums I ever heard. Do the Outfield's 1st album, yup the Album with Josie/All the Love. But the Drum sound is the same thru the whole CD. Say it isn't So, my favorite song by them with horrid sounding drums, it mainly is the snare drum sound, it is loud in the mix and sounds so Dull.
If I was directing this dude, I'd encourage him to stop using the word "right" where it doesn't belong, right?
So, whose wallet is it?
Sub par
Too much talking
Please do The Dead Weather - Horehound album! Jack White's kit is crazy cool