I remember being 15 in 2005 and learning this EP on bass while my friend learned it on guitar. We would spend all night jamming through these, reading up new tabs, recording on a shitty 8Track... TFOT got me into playing guitar and forming bands. Priceless.
same. doppelgänger was a life changing experience and me and one of my close friends bonded over learning these songs. i still play pt4 as my “guitar center” riff 😂
Yes, I've heard a lot of demos/ep's more better produced than the end game. I think the more experimental the more better imo coming from early saosin,chiodos,Thursday early days
@@Yeomannn yes Doppelganger was definitely their best album in my opinion, music and recording wise. That album stands as one of the best recorded albums of all time I think, the guitar tones and experimental effects were captured so well.
This EP was so fucking raw and completely shredded. If they just took this edge to the next album they would have been gods. Doppleganger was a good album. But after you hear this it's disappointing. This was their absolute peak and it was unbelievable.
What in the fuck are you talking about (respectfully) haha I LOVE the sound and raw energy on the ghostship demos but also feel the same way about Doppelganger. If they kept the same raw production style with layered vocals (that weren't at the front of the mix like on Manipulator and all the other trash albums that came after) they would have done so well for themselves.
@@zechs5079Doppelganger has a few songs that work better with cleaner production (I Just Got This Symphony Going sounds way more grandiose than it does on the first record, and I think Macaulay McCulkin's vocal performance was way better on the album version - the sing/scream duality is played way better and Thomas doesn't go completely flat on so many lines, plus that swooshy effect on the "you walked in front" part sounds really dumb), but for the most part they really kneecapped themselves with overly tight studio performances. The demos feel like they were recorded live - there's a real seething energy behind them, especially with how the tempos get cranked up. But in the studio, you can tell that they probably labored over getting the best takes to the detriment of that Hardcore drive.
Doppelganger, Manipulator and Ghostship are all 10/10 albums imo .. their s/t is really, really good too. But as a whole package - dop, manip and ghostship are masterpieces and construe a theme and motif that most bands just completely miss when making an album.
It is though, just saw them in Boston and they actually played Part I and I couldn't believe it. They played the song this way too and not like how it is on PotH. This EP is still my favorite thing about this band.
i prefer the demos for certain songs. the raw energy is just insane. this is also the peak for thomas’ and tim’s screams. they just captured the rawness, the technicality, energy, talent, and experimentation in the demos so well. this is their magnum opus in my opinion. and they were fucking 19 years old. i can understand the production argument, but i think if these demos had just slightly better production/mixing, the “final” version would pale in comparison.
@@leeumhopkins I agree that if these had the same mixing they'd be better, but the only thing I feel this version does better is the dirty vocals, for sure, and the breakdown in part 5. The speed... I'm not sure how I feel about it
@@parkourableAM it’s also just personal preference. i feel like tfot are one of those bands that are wizards in the studio, but can’t match the pure energy, emotion, and playfulness they exhibit in demos and early recordings. i’m just glad you’re a fan man. the band is so criminally underrated, it’s depressing.
I remember being 15 in 2005 and learning this EP on bass while my friend learned it on guitar. We would spend all night jamming through these, reading up new tabs, recording on a shitty 8Track... TFOT got me into playing guitar and forming bands. Priceless.
same. doppelgänger was a life changing experience and me and one of my close friends bonded over learning these songs. i still play pt4 as my “guitar center” riff 😂
I was in flash class making shirt videos with this in the backround.
I could never figure out why they called this a demo, it was better recorded than their first album and slapped way harder than the "finished" version
Same story with the demo versions of Tom Waits and Laces Out Dan, rawer but better than what made it onto the album imo
아기가지 and they had someone on keys, his name was Jesse. I saw them play this live probably over a dozen times when I was high school. Unforgettable.
Yes, I've heard a lot of demos/ep's more better produced than the end game. I think the more experimental the more better imo coming from early saosin,chiodos,Thursday early days
I liked doppelganger.
@@Yeomannn yes Doppelganger was definitely their best album in my opinion, music and recording wise. That album stands as one of the best recorded albums of all time I think, the guitar tones and experimental effects were captured so well.
Part IV and V encapsulate my high school years, and WoW. Lol thank you for this crisp sounding upload!
I love that we are the same person lol because same
These demos were better than the full album release. I had the #2 and horrible sound quality of #3 back 10 years ago
This EP was so fucking raw and completely shredded. If they just took this edge to the next album they would have been gods. Doppleganger was a good album. But after you hear this it's disappointing. This was their absolute peak and it was unbelievable.
Doppelganger is great but compared to this it's way too streamlined.
What in the fuck are you talking about (respectfully) haha
I LOVE the sound and raw energy on the ghostship demos but also feel the same way about Doppelganger. If they kept the same raw production style with layered vocals (that weren't at the front of the mix like on Manipulator and all the other trash albums that came after) they would have done so well for themselves.
@@zechs5079Doppelganger has a few songs that work better with cleaner production (I Just Got This Symphony Going sounds way more grandiose than it does on the first record, and I think Macaulay McCulkin's vocal performance was way better on the album version - the sing/scream duality is played way better and Thomas doesn't go completely flat on so many lines, plus that swooshy effect on the "you walked in front" part sounds really dumb), but for the most part they really kneecapped themselves with overly tight studio performances. The demos feel like they were recorded live - there's a real seething energy behind them, especially with how the tempos get cranked up. But in the studio, you can tell that they probably labored over getting the best takes to the detriment of that Hardcore drive.
Doppelganger, Manipulator and Ghostship are all 10/10 albums imo .. their s/t is really, really good too. But as a whole package - dop, manip and ghostship are masterpieces and construe a theme and motif that most bands just completely miss when making an album.
I was over here scouring for the Black Demon demo. Thank you, sweet baby, infant Jesus.
Macauly McCulkin sounds so much better on this than on Doppelganger.
I remember them ending shows with the end of V this was a masterpiece star to finish never should have changed it
Thank you for uploading this
It sucks how they never really made anything else like this. Doppelganger had borrowed some elements from it but we never got a full refined release.
lol it probally too heavy for people
13:02 I really wish they had kept that Doppler Effect-ish sound in Phantom on this section, I think it makes this part a lot cooler
13:01 this sounds like i entered a night club for ghosts
Seriously listen to this with headphones demo my ass it's a masterpiece
brings back memories... i downloaded this on limewire lol. i believe i had a absolutely awful recording of part 3 too.
Same her friend
Same here old friend
with the production and songwriting on this EP in particular it doesn't even sound like emo or post-hardcore, just good prog rock to me
they're really not even emo at all on the first two albums but yes post-hardcore
sounds like TMV imo
I want part one to be played right before my last breath.
Mars Volta influences just a smidge.
lul
This is peak FoT
sublime
9:40
YEAHHHHHH
lol its pretty much a Jam album
i love this but y'all are crazy saying it's better than the 2008 official release
It is though, just saw them in Boston and they actually played Part I and I couldn't believe it. They played the song this way too and not like how it is on PotH. This EP is still my favorite thing about this band.
i prefer the demos for certain songs. the raw energy is just insane. this is also the peak for thomas’ and tim’s screams. they just captured the rawness, the technicality, energy, talent, and experimentation in the demos so well. this is their magnum opus in my opinion. and they were fucking 19 years old. i can understand the production argument, but i think if these demos had just slightly better production/mixing, the “final” version would pale in comparison.
@@leeumhopkins I agree that if these had the same mixing they'd be better, but the only thing I feel this version does better is the dirty vocals, for sure, and the breakdown in part 5. The speed... I'm not sure how I feel about it
@@parkourableAM it’s also just personal preference. i feel like tfot are one of those bands that are wizards in the studio, but can’t match the pure energy, emotion, and playfulness they exhibit in demos and early recordings. i’m just glad you’re a fan man. the band is so criminally underrated, it’s depressing.
I hear "penis" at 0:46
Yor gay