The Shockingly Simple Reason Why Long Movies Struggle to Engage Audiences - Rory Karpf
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- Rory Karpf is a 4-time Emmy and Peabody Award winning filmmaker who has collaborated with notable talents such as Tom Cruise, Kevin Costner, Snoop Dogg, Shaquille O'Neal, Paul Newman, Vin Diesel, Peyton Manning, Rob Lowe and Dana White. His documentary work includes the ESPN 30 for 30 films "I Hate Christian Laettner," "Nature Boy," "The Book of Manning," the Netflix series "Coach Snoop," and the AMC series "The Secret History of Comics." "Grace Point" is Rory's first scripted feature as a writer and director.
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"Long movies won't work." Nobody will sit through 4 hours of LOTR. Three consecutive times. It'll never work.
That was EXACTLY the example I was about to cite 😂😂
Maybe this guy is right when it comes to lazy junk; audiences want to quickly taste the gimmick and move on (i.e. so-called “high concept” scripts)
But there is always a place amongst human society for quality work. And they will spend as much time as needed drinking it all in (case in point: serial binging of premier TV like The Sopranos, whose differences with “movies” are simply distributive, not structural. And that’s according to the actors cast within them)
Not everything should be Lord of the Rings though. A comedy or action movie doesn't need to be more than 90 minutes. A zombie movie should not be 2 hours long. Most movies should be no longer than Back to the Future.
@@corpsefoot758 "Quality work." That's the point, for sure. There are whole genres of films I don't watch because the trailers tell me it's all "poof-bang," with no real story line.
@@MrMisanthrope84 Yep. Each movie is a piece of art that has to work its own way.
The ENTIRE planet agrees Zack Snyder's version of Justice League is infinitely better than the half-as-long alternative
Most movies could be 20 minutes shorter and be better for it.
It’s not that three hour movies can’t work, it’s that there are movies that deserve to be 3 hours long and movies that don’t.
Star Wars was originally going to be one movie but it was turning into a 500 page screenplay so George Lucas split it into four different movies and made the fourth one first. Shorter chunks are easier to digest unless you have weed.
I completely agree with him. Slow opening scenes, bad endings, bloated middles are all we see, especially in independent movies. Don’t fall in love with what you write or direct, be brutal, cut scenes, don’t show everything, make people come to their own conclusions. Start with something intriguing. It is like people have completely forgotten how to tell stories.
The box office success of Titanic, Avatar films, Avengers, LOTR etc show long films are in fact quite popular.
Their popularity is not due to their length
That's ridiculous. Length is not a measure of interest. A short crappy movie is still a crappy movie, just as long epic movie is worth watching because it holds the interest. Who comes up with these ideas? This video is 12:56 min too long.
Do you prefer movies to be 90 minutes or 3 hours?
Both. As long as you tell a good, interesting story with likeable, cool and interesting/compelling and characters, that’s enough for me, tbh
Give me the 3+ hour epics. Some of the best films ever made period are over 3+. Gone with the wind, Cleopatra, Ben Hur, The Ten Commandments, Khartoum, the fall of the Roman Empire, El Cid, Lawrence of Arabia, doctor shivago, the return of the king. Just to name a few.
It depends...I remember lord of the rings the original was like 3 hours and some change long....Gladiator which my favorite movie was really long..and even even recently avatar was 3 hours...a real good movie you can get lost in..and not.even realize the time...I don't like too short of films...there often predictable and feel rushed...I think 2 hours to about 2 h and 15min is about right...
Long movies by myself, short movies if viewing with other people
3 hours usually.
Give me time to be immersed in the universe, dang it!!
I just depends on the story, if the story is great the 3 hours will pass by.
I am watching the Godfather right now. What you said is true for me.
@@abhinavsaroha9059 yeah even Godfather Part 2 is a perfect example
_"Long movies don't work"_
*Top 4 highest grossing movies of all time are 3 hours* 🤣🤣🤣
If it's engaging it doesnt matter how long it is
6 hours?
@@orangewarm1 if it is engaging sure. The problem there becomes making something engaging for 6 hours
Edit: the answer is found in Netflix shows that people binge watch for an entire day straight
These days there are so many different platforms to tell your story like Netflix or CZcams Red. You can tell bigger stories by breaking them into episodes like Cobra Kai or Stranger Things.
Only movies like Malcolm X, The Irishman and American Gangster need to be that long... Movies about real things that actually took place. Otherwise it should be a series, not a movie.
LOTR Extended versions are the only one's I know that work, more than work, masterpieces
My most beloved movies are Kingdom of Heaven Director''s Cut, Apocalypse Now Redux, Seven Samurai and Blade Runner 2049.
Ok
Why I watch 80's/90's movies now, 90 mins, no fuss no muss
lots of movies work even when they are over 3h long; LOTR, Titanic, Avatar...if movie is good the more the better
What about SS Rajamouli's RRR ? It is 3 hours long, but it is a marvellous piece of heroism from head to toes
I agree with him. Godfather2, Schindlers List, LOTRs,etc... are the exception to the rule. 9 times out of every 10 flicks I see I think, yeah they could cut 35 minutes from this and it would have been great.
Bro has never seen Interstellar, Schindlers List, LOTR, The Godather, Endgame or Avatar 2
We can all think of exceptions, (maybe less than ten) but “It was too long/could’ve been shorter” are some of the most frequent criticisms I hear from people exiting screenings
I kind of disagree here. Oftentimes the middle is the meat of the story and if it’s short then not much that is set up in the start is going to be explored. If there’s not much of a middle why not make a short film? Also I personally think longer character driven indie films are more interesting than the longer popcorn entertainment movies.
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Although, there are exceptions. For example, Titanic, Ben Hur (1959), The Godfather Part 1, 2 & 3 etc.
If I ever see these movies on TV, I'm never tired enough to not watch the full movie. Good quality movies keep the interest in me while watching them, no matter how long they are.
Watch me in my own movies in the near future. I'll give the world high quality masterpieces that will survive me too and my movies will keep living in the memory of the future generation. ;)
Gotta check out that Rick Flair doc! Cheers on being a fellow fan.
I don't mind longer films, as long as there is enough interesting story going on and I like to spend time with these characters and there is development I am interested to see. What grates is movies that are padded with useless filler. Like excessively drawn out action scenes. Or side characters that get on your nerve that take up screen time or side plots that do nothing for the overall story.
Driving is a boring way to open a movie? You're telling me that Manos: the Hands of Fate, Birdemic Shock and Terror and Rock and Roll Nightmare are bad movies?
All platitudes. The length is not a factor if the story & pacing is done right. I can name 5 films in the last 20 yrs that did so masterfully while making the budget back...and then some.
Please name them. I'd like to hear them.
There’s a lot of subjectivity. Personal preference, interest in the material, and what is the metric for “long”? But I clearly remember seeing Titanic in theaters twice and not for a moment feeling like over three hours passed. That’s good pacing! That takes talent, from writing, directing, and editing. regardless of subjectivity.
1. Titanic
2. The Two Towers
3. Blade Runner 2049
4. Endgame
5. Interstellar
@@bradmarchant7822 good choices 👍
Long movies do work. But very few movies are worthy of being long movies. The majority of movies should be 90 odd minutes.
I saw A Cure For Wellness recently, about two and a half hours long. I was liking it but it wore out its welcome after a while, and would have been more effective at about forty minutes shorter.
Fargo started with driving
Meanwhile binge-watching series on Netflix, etc is pretty much the norm at this point...
Some stories are an exploration of a simple but fun idea, some stories are a complex multi-angled epic. Just don't drag out your silly gimmick movie, and don't rush your epics.
Shawshank redemption, the Geen Mile, the LotR Trilogy, the Godfather, The Good the Bad and the Ugly, Pulp Fiction, Forest Gump, The Seven Samurai, Goodfellas, Casino, Once upon a time in America, Barry Lyndon, Bridge over the river Kwai, Das Boot, Schilder´s List, Der Untergang, Spartacus, the Great Escape and so on and on and on and on.
Yeah it don´t work.
It all depends on 1 thing: is it a good movie or a mediocre/bad movie. Is it well written or not. But I agree I'm glad that movies in the current dreary & cheap age usually don't exceed the 2 hours.
what if you live in a hot climate and your house doesn't have AC? then you'd want a 3 hour movie to sit in a cinema with AC.
Movie length should depend on the Scope, Scale, and DEPTH of the story. The people who are going to pay for it (tickets/streaming/etc...) are going to be the fans of that genre or your target demographic... Some of the time is going to NEED to be spent on "fan service"... the eye-candy that caters directly to those fans of THAT genre.
It just turns out that a LOT of stories simply do not cover the shear scope or scale or depth of plot that requires much time to get across to the audience. Tropes exist (as they should) to short-cut lengthy info-dumps and descriptive or graphic influences on building Characters in the minds of the audience, AND the unique values for a given Character can be revealed "in due time", meaning only when the details NEED to be revealed.
You simply can't compose enough setup for a sci-fi movie without time enough to give the graphic details of the setting, whatever it is. Condense it too much, and the fans who come entirely TO SEE the eye-candy of exotic distant worlds and exciting, weird, and interesting aliens are going to walk out in droves, destroying the numbers in the box office. On the other hand, the setup to a gritty crime drama or a rom-com only needs so much to cover the obvious tropes employed and then move to engaging the audience in the storyline. Dwelling on the filth of the city-scape for the crime drama is just wallowing in the despair of a corrupt age with obviously corrupt cops and ineptitude among the honest ones... We already know that's where this drama takes place, so we don't need to wallow in it hopelessly... Same with the rom-com. Someone deeply wants and/or needs a certain someone else, and there's a hint at forbidden romance or a sexual predelection getting in the way... miscommunication... and NOBODY in these things EVER gets along with the in-laws, so there's no need wallowing in that low hanging fruit, even for comic effects... BUT if you think you're going to win fans by leaving out shiny robots and sexy chrome-plated girls with the timeless perfection only shiny metal could add to their busts and backsides, you are SORELY mistaken... Same with the aliens with extra boobs or fanciful tails (for some reason)... and we NEED to see the crusty oxidation of the hero's obviously lackluster old ship so we "get" just how much of the odds are stacked against him or her...
SO it really depends on what is being shown. If you're going to take up my time, just try your best not to waste it outright. ;o)
Mr. Rory needs to delineat how to keep first 10 minutes and last 10 minutes brisk with short time medium sequences
If he adds some instances, it would be useful
I've seen Snyder Cut in full like 3 times already haha and I ain't gonna stop
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90 minutes has always been the sweet spot for me. Even 80 minutes is fine as long as it’s an entertaining film. I write short stories mostly because I’d argue that a majority of people won’t commit the time to reading a novel, unless it’s said to have been amazing. Time is valuable of course, and no what’s to waste their time, but I choose to write short stories because people can usually finish them in one sitting, especially if they’re entertaining from beginning to end.
why long movies don't work. Top grossing movies of all time - Avatar (runtime of 2 hours 42 minutes), Avengers: End Game (runtime of 3 hours 2 minutes), Avatar 2 (runtime of 3 hours 12 minutes, Titanic (runtime of 3 hours 16 minutes). Yeah, long movies obviously don't work:)
How bout just writing stories that don't suck? If the story sucks the movie is too long no matter how many minutes it is. If the story is great the movie is too short no matter how long the movie is. That's why studios don't care if the story sucks as long as they have flashy; bright shiny things to keep the attention of the idiots that are paying to see the movies these days. It's more expensive to make a longer movie and they can get more idiots to pay with a five second clip / catchy tagline than with a GREAT story that takes two hours to tell. You'll never see another "Return of The Jedi" or "Around The World in 80 Days" because the younger (idiot) generation of movie goers is ruining the experience for everyone else.
Long movies don't work these days because Gen-Z has the attention span of a gnat and the IQ of Plankton.
I’m a Gen Z kid and I think our generation is a little smarter than what you think.
Well I am part of Gen Z and I enjoyed watching Ben Hur, Lawrence of Arabia, and RRR. It just depends on the story.
@@stsolomon618 Sir RRR is trash though.
@@southlondon86 Everyone is entitled to their opinion, Margot.
@@southlondon86 it was trash I agree
Yep. Dark Knight, that don't work. Godfather, that don't work. The Good, Bad and Ugly, that don't work.
The best films work on the psychology of what's not shown. Between the scenes and cuts there's an inference of a longer story and more details that the audience has an intuition of only. A drawn-out narrative shows a lack of respect to the intelligence of the audience.
I have ADHD, and the 4 hours of ZSJL flew by for me.
Plus, The Batman is as boring as watching grass grow.
His argument is invalid on 2 fronts.
Bad take. He’s just encouraging the decline of attention spans. A movie that’s truly will made will grab your attention be it for 3 minutes or 3 hours. The GodFather is essentially 3hrs of people talking but the conversation they have, the dynamics at play, the stakes are all so interesting and investing that the movie is captivating all the same.