The Flash Season 3/Season 4: Barry's 2056 Message Was Not A Warning Against Savitar?
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So there is doubt I have as to the supposed closure we got over who the 2056 Barry Allen message was all about. I think it wasn't really a warning against Savitar and for many reasons that you will find within the fold of this video.
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Hey Everyone,
Apologize about my voice on some parts of the video, I think I am getting down with some sort of throat infection. Have been exhausting my vocal cords as well recently.
Let me know what you think of this theory video, do you really think Cisco's deduction was correct there or do you share my opinion, it wouldn't make sense?
And until I see you next have a wonderful day.
Hello! Please respond
Hello I responded, lol
Thanks so much I love your content
I watch all of the Episodes of the Flash, Arrow, and Legends
Supergirl sucks
Haha Supergirl doesn't suck, it just has inconsistent quality, so it sucks sometimes haha. Thanks though for the kind words.
No Problem have a good day mate
Wouldn't it make more sense for the message to be referring to The Thinker in Season 4? A villain with mind control abilities could easily spark a war in Central City and would make all of the characters untrustworthy
Definitely Solar, that actually makes great sense.
Solarregis good idea
True, but 2056 might be the next time that Rip sees Barry
DeVoe?
good idea but wrong
You have to remember though, that version of Barry was erased since Iris survived.
Well the past, present and future change with every change to the timeline, but not totally. That future Barry's fate might have changed, but if the message wasn't about Savitar then there's a great chance the message still exists.
ItzInsanityy sadly she survived... Sadly..
The version of Barry was erased because he saved his younger self ...maybe that is the choice made
@@BryMakesArt stfu
@@WhattheGeek Well, last season of flash and looks like this plot point was never revisited.
we have to wait 36 years to find out what it really means :/
Haha I don't think that is what it means, that we have to wait this long, lol.
Right now it is either:
1. Something that happens in the near future and this is part of an arc based on the future flash arc where he starts blaming himself for it all and travels back in time to stop his younger self, you know Blue Flash. And the message in this case would be the tip of the iceberg.
2. Bad writing and they swept it under the rug with Cisco's comments.
3. Something we would see in the distant future but on Legends instead.
What the Geek that make sense.since it aired on legends instead of flash
Gio Money LOL
Flash Season 40
The big will be Barry's hips and some version of the anti monitor.
Gio Money wow just wow
I'm not sure that message has anything to do with the Flash future season. It is likely it will play out in LOT. The message was to Hunter and he specifically notes Winter's crew.
Possibly, it could go either way actually when you think about it.
Bobby Vee I think this is the future barry that trapped savitar in the speed force
Bobby Vee lol
It probably won’t play out on LOT now especially since Rip is dead unless they plan on bringing him back in season 6
He may be referring to something he hasn't done yet. He was calling from 2056,after all. They were in the temporal some so time means nothing there. I think he did something later in life and when 2056 hit ,he realized he messed up.
Totally agree, that whole Cisco comment didn't make much sense to me, that the warning was all about Savitar.
Barry could be talking about a multiverse war and the "don't trust Barry Allen" part could be about different Barry Allens from the multiverse
Hmm.. Possibly.
What if 2056 is crisis on infinite earth
Possibly.
Ricardo Martinez but 2024 is when barry goes missing in crisis well thats what it said on the newspaper
OlicityFan1 yeah and it said a they saw was a bolt a lighting during a "crisis"
I would say it is Crisis On Infinite Earths.... This is a big DC event that even the DC TV universe cannot change or bypass... Flash played a big part on that battle...
Ricardo Martinez no 2024 is crisis
perhaps its about godspeed because at the end of the message he said dont trust anyone not even me, and who would rip trust barrys supposed "partner" as barry was trapped in the speed force
That is a good theory as well and would support it is something of the future as I mentioned. One more theory I might have to add to the list of theories on the topic.
Here is my theory, that the future newspaper has to do with "Crisis On Infinite Earths" because in the temporal zone, nothing changes it is outside time and is outside time, space and maybe even the multiverse, so they don't know what happened. Anway, ***SPOILER ALERT**** In the crisis, Supergirl dies, and to end the crisis Barry sacrifices himself too.
Alright, already knew that, well don't remember the part about Supergirl, but definitely the part about Barry, and I did think about the same, HOWEVER, that wasn't a change Barry made by choice to change things, but rather an act to save things rather than change them.
That is where Superman is holding dead Supergirl in his arms on the cover. It was an awesome cover. I still need to read it though.
Oh yeah shit that was the trademark of the whole thing. How could I forget that.
Space Gandalf i agree with your theory to some extent i believe that it refers to crisis but if you read the article he was in a battle with Thawne when he disappeared
In another version, batman gets his crime syndicate doppelganger to sacrifice
could be a way to start the next crossover. Rip tracks down the legends because he's noticed the changes Barry mentioned in his message. they go to 2017 address the issue and all the good guys are villains mind controlled or whatever and they go from show to show fixing the problem.
Possibly, yes!!!
krwhite02 we have already had the heroes controlled to be villains in last years crossover so I highly doubt they would do it again.
Jack Rodgers The thinker has the ability to do it so I wouldn't doubt it
He even said „dont trust me“ so I am sure, that it refers to some kind of event were there are multiple barry allens.
Or he gets mindcontrolled or something like that
What if Barry created the message when he created Gideon, knowing that Rip Hunter would eventually obtain Gideon in the future an see the message?
The time doesn't matter, the question is about the reasons and what it is about.
The thing that confuses me about the message is that which version of Barry sent the message. The version that defeated Savitar and saved Iris, or the one that didn't.
I think it was sent by the current timeline Barry, and not any other. There is no reason it would be sent by any other.
Okay. Thank you.
Henry Peters The Gideon that Rip has is different from the Gideon that Barry has. The Gideon that Rip has was made based off of Barry's but its still not the same.
maybe future barry remembered about the message he had in 2017 and that's why he sent it
Okay it is 2056 Central City, Life is all good and Dandy, I am gonna make a prank call to the Wave Rider.
But seriously I get what you mean, the loop concept. But that only explains the part with when he sent it not that it has nothing to do with Savitar and possibly the Dominators.
Loops kind of flow out of the window because the Waverider is in a temporal space. That message is the original, and we don'treally know how showing it to Barry affected the future... because the Legends were kind of busy stopping a speedster from rewriting the timeline permanently... though it is funny that they could just as easily have accesed a newspaper report of that year to see what the fuck happened yet they didn't. Plotline convenience I guess.
Good vid I liked as always and hope you get better with your throat👍🏼👍🏼😁
Thanks Dylan. Glad you liked it :)
I've got two theories about this.
1) After Flashpoint, season 3 did not happen at all and things just went on normally, until it became clear that Barry damaged the space-time continum when he created Flashpoint. He'd create a bunch of time remnants to help him patch it all up, each one dying to fix a tear or whatever. This would go on until there was just OG Barry and a single time remnant Barry. The time remnant would be ignored and cast aside, eventually becoming an outcast. Enraged, TR Barry would become Savitar, somehow obtaining the Savitar suit and using it to torture Team Flash. A defeated Barry would send a warning message to Rip Hunter and the Waverider knowing that Savitar could easily travel through time if he really wanted to. Things happen that result in Barry and whatever's left of Team Flash lock up Savitar in the Speed-Force, leading Savitar to use Flashpoint to escape to an earlier point and time where he took his torture of Team Flash to another level, thus creating Season 3.
But then there's post season 3 where Iris is alive and Nora exists, while the 2056 message also still exists. This clearly means that Savitar and Iris's death/survival didn't change 2056 or the contents of the message. Season 5 Nora is born and 2056's warning message is still sent to the Waverider.
2) Taking a look at the future 2049 newspaper Nora brought with her, "Flash still missing 25 years later", as well as Barry's 2056 message, it'd be safe to assume that upon Barry's return/revival from the Speed-Force some years after 2049, the world is faced with a new Crisis. Yes, another Crisis. Let's say that the Anti-Monitor returns and makes another attempt to erase reality. This would be a big enough problem that someone would feel the need to warn someone else of the situation, someone with the time to prepare, AKA Time Master Rip Hunter.
We know it has something to do with Flashpoint. Either it was Savitar, the timestream tearing itself apart because of Flashpoint, or the Anti-Monitor using the temporal disturbance to return.
I honestly feel like the whole thing is related to Crisis, cause it happens not too long after Barry's return, and it kind of puts a lot of emphasis on a massively large threat and impossible odds, which Crisis had a lot of.
The 2056 message could have come from the original timeline. The timeline we haven't seen. Think about it, Barry wasn't supposed to get his powers unil 2024 i believe. The reverse flash upped the time so he got it sooner. The message could have refereed to the dominators attacked. But we're likely to see Barry go back in time again.
Until 2020 not 2024. However I definitely think it is from the current timeline, would make more sense.
Nah no way cause that timeline was erased and the barry that your talking about he died in crisis in 2024 right after he saved his younger self which is the barry allen now the one that thawne recreated in 2014
Yess broo! u got so many views on this video man. you deserve it bro . great video as always, left a like!
Haha thanks man :)
I know that Vandal Savage's war was later in the timeline but if Barry's change to the timeline was to end him before the war began(season three Iris esc) than that would mean that the future would not have cemented and the Legends would fight creating a new season 1 of LoT
OMG Loved the video
Thanks Annelle :)
I believe it's going to be one of those things that's referenced from time to time and slowly builds for a later season for a pop but keeping that in mind the only war I can think of at the moment focusing around the flash is the reverse flash cuz he's from the future and always has something wicked up his sleeve
well remember he did go into the past and get captain cold to the present and someone from the team asked him weather that would cause a change or not and barry said as long as it saved iris he didnt care..
True but it didn't really cause a change to the past as far as we know, he returned him to the very point. However, you might be right. I guess we will find out as Legends premieres season 3.
What the Geek i mean as far as im aware (correct me if im wrong) after flashpoint he went and let his mom get killed but it still caused changes so maybe they are doing the same thing? ig your right we will see when legends premieres
So, I see others thinking it's crisis on infinite Earth's now with last season and this current one had me thinking about this message, I do think that it's gonna be the big cross over event now that the "crisis" got moved to 2019
It relates to the crossover event between all the cw shows and it's about flashpoint... they played the rest of the message in the crossover.
Well the war could be that, but why is he warning him of changing his life and the legends, no significant change to any of their lives really. Even the change in Martin's life was cause by his meddling with his past self. And finally the show took it as if he were warning of Savitar, or at least that was Cisco's conclusion which doesn't make sense either, because none of them had to deal with Savitar really, not Rip, not the Legends, so why warn them.
I was thinking that this might be referring to the Crisis on Infinite Earths, as Barry vanishes so when he reappears a couple of decades later, he warns Rip about it. But as you said, it is all just speculation.
Guys on the last episode 3x23 when they checked if the future changed it when the flash disappeared it was saying flash , green arrow , atom , hawkgirl fight the reverse flash but I don't think know or think it's wells it might be thuan so go back and check it u see it
Do you mean the article says that?
I think this voice record was made after The Flash went missing and when Barry went back and fought reverse flash "2048" and failed to save his mother but at that time is when he tells his younger self not to save his mother like barry was going to do in the end if season 1 of the flash. So when Barry from 2048 comes back from that time instead of coming back from the time when barry saved his mother with no other barry from another time period and a result of this has caused a change in time simlar to flashpoint but different which causez the past to be different and when these two events happen because barry changed the time that has caused godspeed to come because of what happend in the end of season three. Do you think so?
I have a few other theories it could be on, 1) it could possibly relate to Thawne because when Barry found him again in Season One and he chased him, he said he's from the future and that this mess will go on or it has been. Now, I'm not sure if they cleared it up when that scene happened but if it hasn't been cleared, then this could possibly mean Thawne would be another "big bad" in another season of either the Flash or Legends of Tomorrow or just a minor villain. Another thing that could be is that somehow Thawne takes over Barry like he did with Wells #1 and pretends to be him. Now that is far fetched but who knows🤷🏻♀️. 2) another thing is that when he saved Iris, something else could have changed in the future that would start a war or something to change into something very bad and he needs help but the more people know about the future or, most importantly, their own could be extremely bad. 3) he could have gone back into the future by accident, like when he found out about Iris "death" scene, that made it so important that he had to tell Rip because whatever it is, he needs his help to stop it. And 4) it could also be the thinker like you said and what season four is about. Possibly the thinker takes over Barry's mind or someone's like Supergirl or the Green Arrow and makes them gone AWOL or something which is why they have the huge war and says not to trust anyone when they get back. Now I know some of them are to bizarre but it just some theories/possibility that I came up with.
Actually Thawne taking over Barry's face and becoming him has happened twice in the comics, so it is not really far-fetched. Coincidentally that is part of the 1966 "One Bridegroom too many arc", that might actually end up being the arc of this year's crossover, but that is just a theory I posted a few days back based on information that has come to light about the crossover.
The message came in before he saved Iris so it belongs to the old timeline prior to saving her so it is either something that won't happen anymore or something that is common between both timelines, so any change to the timeline that has to do with the message would basically mean the reason for the message should no more exist or should only be worse.
The last theory and all open war between the superheroes is possible considering they never actually went deep into flashpoint like in the comics so they could now address some of its aspects.
My theory is that barry was trapped in the speed force and got major speed and thats why savitar has white lightning but escapes but when going up against a villain realizes he's way more power full and accidentally kills someone and tries to hide it but eventually people findout and in fear of him becoming a villain fleas the city but before that he goes into the future and finds out about savitar and records a message so he can warn past barry and tells him about that
What he could have been talking about is the Season ending of LOT when they crashed the ship and there were dinosaurs running around, after Aruba. What if they also were responsible for Kazar and the change in the past as well as present day Central City?
He was talking about a change he made and not one they made.
It must be something similar to the 4-night crossover because I don't think Barry would tell the Legends about a threat that he could handle himself or with Arrow/Supergirl.
Agreed Crystal. That is the whole reason why I thought of this.
This part of the show is so back that I forgot it exists
I think you meant bad, haha. And yeah I agree.
I think that the war is 2024 crisis when Barry disappears and if you read the newspaper it said that they also saw Arrow and a bunch of other heroes like supergirl and the Legends. Barry was fighting the Reverse-Flash but then there was a bright light (probably the speed force) and then Barry disappeared. In S5 E18 (Godspeed) Nora sees a video and Barry was recording it. We heard lightning, he told Nora bunch of stuff then we heard lightning again and he turned off the camera.
Could be, or could be that due to the changes in the timeline that it is the 2019 crossover crisis event.
@@WhattheGeek
The timeline was changed and 2024 crisis is now 2019 :O
@@slovakianpsycho I know it is crazy. Hopefully the upcoming seasons are stronger than these last seasons.
what i know is No ONE is gonna remember barry...
I still remember what happen in COMIC to Jay.
I don't know much actually
Dude Barry Allen has always been my favorite Flash. I mean Jay Garrick is a close second, but Barry Allen was always up there for me.
I like to think they have most of the story up till 2024 already made but still have to write things like crossovers, introductions, defeat, and small meta human fights
I would like to think the same but the way they messed up on season three and had a shit ton of plot holes makes it seem like they barely knew what to do with the third season.
What the Geek maybe season 3 was supposed to be a filler to take up time so they can expand on flash and kid flash before big things happen. When they tease characters like De Veo, it seems like they have a general understanding of season 4 and maybe some bits of season 5.
Well I think what happened there is people complained about wanting a non speedster villain. And usually the show continues to shoot episodes post the winter break and the winter premiere of the show, so by then they could have made up their mind about DeVoe. I mean there are a whole ton of explanations. I do hope they do better with season 4 but having that kind of hope up is one thing. Having the standard set high to the level of they know what they will do all the way though could get you disappointed man.
Love my flash and can't wait for barry to return broken, considering what the speedforce prison does to you.
It is going to be fun, I hope they fix all the mistakes they did on season 3, by simply not repeating it again, the writing at some point almost ruined it.
3x22 made me tear up, and that's rare. I didn't consider the possibility that it was Hr, cause I saw the trailer after with him.
Yeah and then they went and ruined it by revealing it in the first 10 seconds of the following episodes. That was such a dumb move.
Couldn't agree more, but I like how savatar looked when he realized she was still alove, how he was walking like a baby and dropped the gun. Like he truly was scared.
They said something like "He´s not gonna live through his hell", so i think he´ll be ok :D
Well, we know there'll be a crisis in 2024 (or 2023, but it's the date of the article in Thawne's secret room). I imagine that they're planning to do something big only a few years from now. I don't think entirely that they'll only do that in 2024, though. They might do it earlier. One more thing: there's a little easter egg about WayneTech/QueenIndustries merge. I don't know if they ever going to do that, they might have changed the timeline with the whole Savitar thing amd whatnot, but still, it's a possibility (maybe, not likely, but still rooting for it)
Don't think they are doing any kind of Bruce Wayne stuff while Gotham runs on Fox though!!!
One thing I have always been curious about is the Legends in the crossover getting upset about Barry changing the past is that the past they were protecting had already happened post Flashpoint. In Season 1 of LOT Diggle has a son who became Green Arrow later on. Flashpoint hadn't happened yet so Diggle would have still have a daughter and his son should not have been in that episode. I don't know. Time travel gives me a headache.
The Legends are upset for no reason, none of their pasts has been changed really. Even Stein's has been changed by his own actions and conversation with his younger self.
Before Flashpoint I guess John would have gone to have two kids rather than one, I agree.
Maybe the war is Crisis on Infinite Earths
I never understood this message from 2056 knowing barry will vanish in 2024 .. was it to make us eliminate the possibility that savitar is future barry ? Or he was referring to season 8 reverse flash point where thawne stole barry's identity ?
Honestly I think the theory includes the superman story in the video games and how barry is going to join superman's side or about vandal savage. Either one of those are going to be the 2 big events that might happen in the future however i personally think its the superman story
I think it might be Reverse Flash using his face, happened twice in the comics and was teased on the Crisis crossover this year.
The Flash show is over, but the 2056 message from the Flash still remains a mystery.
Gotta love how it's gotten to the point where even Barry himself is having to tell himself to stop fucking with time.
Haha, I know!!!!
In the comics he was Cold War pilot , who was in an accident
Yeah that is Savitar in the comics. What does that have to do with this video though.
Could that message be about the crossover that is going to be happening this year ?
yeah I think it will be a future event.
Right, it just does not all add up.
What the Geek I mean it's CW writers. They hardly work in sync and fuck things up a lot lol
+Bob Pickleson haha true that.
The writers didn't think it out fully. Cisqo line was to brush it under the carpet.
That's why I mentioned it as a possibility considering they pulled a few terrible stunts on season 3.
The Barry that said that message was the emo Barry (because that future wasn't changed yet) so he might be talking about something that won't happen anymore because that timeline was changed. I hope u guys remember this because this is very important on what could/might happen in Flash
+Butter Golem possible but if it is not about savitar then it still has a huge chance of happening.
MIND BLOWN
The most likley possibility is that 2056 Barry found out that Savitar was a timeremenant of himself from 2020. But sine Barry in 2017 traveled into the future (to 2024) and changed the past (which eventually led to Savitars defeat in 2017) the "Barry" that sent the message no longer exists.
Since Rip and the legends are time travelers and knew Barry he was trying to warn him about not trusting him (as in that it might not be him, but Savitar).
1. How would he realize it with Savitar trapped in Speed Force for eternity?
2. Isn't that just too convenient?
3. Why send the message to Rip Hunter?
There is too small of a possibility that the future Barry was talking about Savitar. 2056 Barry specifically warns against himself, and when Barry traveled to the future, that future Barry had no idea who Savitar was
Exactly, that is one of the major points I had in mind when making this video. While a lot of people believed Cisco's words, I always thought logically speaking you can't warn against someone whose identity is unknown to you.
Maybe future Barry was warning them because he has seen what changing the timeline can do to people like turning Caitlin to Killer Frost maybe he was worried that might happen to someone the legends know when they return but he didn't know who
He does send the message in 2056 so suffice to say he would by then know if that happened to someone.
Capitan Cold must have wondered why Barry had to travel in the past to get him and not just find him in the present. He could have known of his own death and decided when he returned to his original time line not to save the Legends. This would change Colds fate and reopen the possibility of Barry's message not being intended for the Dominators invasion but a warning of a complete timeline shift. Barry's warning not to trust even himself is possibly his future selfs only way to repair the timeline without interfering personally. The red skies spoken of in the paper could be the earth tearing itself apart from the speedforce, effectively destroying both or even all realities. Also heres a little more food for thought. Barry created Savatar by creating a time remnant, he then created several more to help stop Savatar, Savatar claimed he killed all but one time remnant to allow himself to be born. What happened to the spared remnant Savatar spoke of? The endless loop seems more like a last ditch effort to assure if Barry did defeat Savatar that another would take his place. Could more than one Savatar have existed at one time?
I don't think more existed at the time but I have a general theory on the existence of two Savitars:
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DrMoriarty420 Well perhaps he didn't. He could've thought nothing of it since if Captain Cold can time travel, it's hard to find the present, so he can find any time, so it wouldn't matter. Sorry if that doesn't make sense, it's hard to explain
My Theory is going to be neron in season 5-6 I think they should do a couple of episodes where the flash's rogue gallery will summon him and it will carry over for a season or maybe 2
That would be interesting to watch actually.
The team that future Barry is referring to might not even be the Legends, Rip already had this message prior to season 2; so who's to say he hasn't had it longer?
What if he's already gone and dealt with this event with another team?
It's not out of the question to say that Rip had another team before the Legends seeing as he had already worked with the JSA pre-season 1, and who could forget the quote "I've seen men of steel die and dark knights fall"
He's clearly already seen some serious shit prior to season 1.
+speedhog58 possible. They probably wouldnt throw it into the show though if we would never see it. Besides before or after the legends it is all probably in the future.
but then again the legends told barry about the message and now he knows that either flashpoint or the upcoming timeline change shouldn't the future barry know that know or do you think he forgot about it because if future barry does know then he should now that his younger self already knew about the message
My theory is: The Barry from that message is where he completely lived in flash point, so he forgot about pre-flashpoint. As we know that Barry was the one who created Gideon, he could have been creating a tech that a villain would want. In the savitar theory, savitar went into the future and stole the suit that 2056 Barry created. But in my theory, it could also be de voe's theory where 2056 Barry was creating an AI for a precursor of Gideon. But devoe does have special powers, so he posea as a threat to barry. I Barry then makes time remenents to stop devoe but he killed them all except one, then he suddenly disappears. But then he was hiding all along, and mindcontrols the time remenent to run in the future and steal the tech that 2056 Barry was creating.Then when devoe got the tech, he killed the last time remenent and went on to fight and wreck havoc
could be a refrence to the evil versions on other multiverse breaking through
Could the message be a warning about the Barry in S4? He seems different and might not be the old BA.
I wanna say yes, because I was one of those who assumed he would return back as Thawne, but chances are that is not the case after some set photos came to light from the crossover.
Honestly, nothing we've seen on Flash or Legends fits the message perfectly. I think that if we get an explanation it will be next season of Legends.
Knowing what we now know It seems like he is talking about crisis on earth X but that might not be the case
No, its probably whats going to happen on Legends of Tomorrow, Since they are the ones who found the message, maybe even whats going to happen in Season 3 based on how Season 2 ended
Season 2's ending is about the mess the Legends created. Has nothing to do with Barry.
In legends of tomorow s1 time masters said that war is coming and that they need vandal savage to conquer the earth to defend it so maybe barry in the future has gone to the legends past and saved savage to win war and changed their past
I don't know. Saving Vandal Savage is a huge choice to make, kind of skeptical about such a scenario.
I already knew that it wasn't a warning for Savitar because the way he says: "you're going to be called back to Central City..." makes it seem like he was already in Central City before. Yes although he has to recruit the team, he hasn't really been there officially to meet everybody else. In the message Barry seems to know about Rip Hunter although in the current time period they never even met. Also in Legends of Tomorrow Rip Hunter leaves for an anonymous reason. He doesn't say to the team probably because of the message that Barry (2056) gave him. So I think that Rip Hunter is going to Future Central City and fight in the war that Barry (2056) was talking about.
You already knew, do you know how many people believed Cisco at face value? Even better, someone actually gave me shit for creating this video because that's what the show said, so it must be right.
However you are wrong on the Rip part, he is actually staying around and starting a time bureau, sort of like the time masters, which will feature on season 3.
What the Geek well they need to understand that bit everything that the characters say is true. they Can be misproven and thats the good thing about this show. if they talk shit, who gives a fuck? as far as I'm concerned there the dumb ones here
Maybe in the previous time line where iris was killed flash got help from the legends to lock savittar up? But sine iris was spared this didn't happen and so the message is now moot? I hope they stick to alternate earth stories more now, altering the timeline is too confusing and leaves to many plot holes
I agree on the plot holes. They could have avoided most of it though, they just got sloppy. I think juggling all four shows is too much for them, the quality of one or two and in some cases three always gets compromised by an improvement in the quality of others.
Here's the thing I didn't understand, why did Barry wait until 2056 when he was old to send a message of warning about 2016-2017 Barry? technically he could send the message as soon as he found out right? I think he sends it to the LOT group bcuz they time travel and they will travel 40 yrs in the future and that's where something happens.Why didn't Barry just run himself to them and tell them in person? I think whatever they do it will take place in or around the time Barry sends the message and the LOT group will be the ones to take care of the problem
One other reason that doesn't make sense, unless it is more of a hint at Blue Flash future Barry, breaking down, hating his old self, feeling he failed everyone around him, you know the whole arc.
There is the war with earth x coming up where all teams are involved and from the sounds of it they have an army
I can just imagine in the future seasons where this comes up and everyone is like "yooooo I remember this!!!!" And it's nothing ANYBODY ever guessed!!😱😱😱⚡️⚡️⚡️
Yeah I think it could end up coming up a couple of seasons down the road as well. Would be fun to see that happen.
I think Barry warns Rip Hunter about Impulse, who could change many times the timeline and makes many mistakes, one of them would be a war. Maybe Impulse would appear in The Flash, but then he would be a regualar legend
So the mistake is getting Iris pregnant?
Somehow, It could be! :)
Unplanned pregnancies always are man, always are, haha
Ok this is old, but didnt they explain that savitar Barry Allen, was originally the remnant that they had brought back to defeat savitar, who was then ignored and discarded making him angry and basically turning him into savitar? So now what reason would the Barry Allen from the future (2056 Barry) send a message back to talk about savitar? If savitar isnt that far forward from the future? Honestly I would've liked to think that they were setting up for something in the future... I mean they kinda mixed savitar and blue flash together, since in the comics they're 2 different people right? So is savitar just the same 40 year old blue flash? Even though he looks like the normal flash from 2016 with a few scars on his face... Which made me assume it was a Barry not too far in the future... I feel like they wanted to set something up and changed their minds... Either that or if that was really a reveal for savitar being Barry, then they did a really bad job, because it would've made more sense if perhaps the barry who lost iris would send the message I guess rather than a Barry 40 years in the future
I think the message could be a warning against a war with the speed force against Wally led by Barry as the black flash
+Crazy Stupid haha the possibilities are endless
WAIT! you know at the end of the last episode of legends of tomorrow season 2 they come back and there were like dinosaurs and jungle everywhere and everything was messed up. Maybe that's what Barry was talking about in the message.
Not really, because that was the product of them messing up with the timeline by interacting with themselves in a time they visited once before, you know during the world war.
oh thanks
So if you remember a speedforce thunderstorm happened at the end of the season so i think this is the forshadowing of godspeed
+Electro Savage possiblym i actually created a video about the possibility of this being in reference to him.
I thought that i read that Rip isn't coming back as Captain or even as part of the team, which will make that recording even more out of place
He is not as per the synopsis, so definitely right away and even if he didn't at all when you think about it as head of the time bureau he is really boss over it all in a manner of speaking.
What the Geek yes, but he wouldn't be in the ship, flash from the future should know this and send the message to Sara
Well he wouldn't be if he were to be part of the time bureau but do we have a guarantee he will never step foot on the Waverider again?
What the Geek maybe he can back to ship, but from what i hear isnt coming as Captain, what makes them the Sara's Team my argument is that flash from future should know this, the reality is that when they do the message they have another plans and then later with Sara doing as good she was and Arthur schedule maybe the plans falls
Unless the message referred to the reverse flash in S2 which was a product of Flashpoint
eobard thawne impeesonating flash like Wells ? 🤔
That could actually be fun to watch.
stanloxstraightxupx After watching this crossover.... could be possible, Thawne said "I wonder what face I'll wear next"
when Barry traveled to the future to see his future self and tell him how yo stop and who savitar is but future Barry never found out who it was so if the message was found right before then how did Barry know to not be trusted
Exactly!!! The message was sent before the timeline was changed and before Barry knew he was Savitar, so it never made sense.
So what was the message warning them about ??
I get confused if Barry was savitar why would he warn people about himself if he’s in the speed force like was there two Barry’s at the same time I don’t get it
i think its because berry let reverse flash know who he was in the future thats why he said not to trust anyone
i think it has to do with Flashpoint(the one in the comics) before the shows started, so Barry is the cause of the changes in the shows.
some reasons why.
1. everyone is in a team now (team flash, team arrow and the legends) while in the comic, that sort of teamwork didn't exist
2. everyone's history is different than the comics
3. Rip's Team might not be the legends but rather Rip Hunter with his father Booster Gold and his Aunt Goldstar.
The shows are based on DC characters, not necessarily DC arcs or storyline.
Basing it on DC characters doesn't mean creating team-ups and stuff that does not exist in the comics, the shows are sort of their own comic book reboot, like Rebirth and the New 52.
I don't see where the problem is there that would prompt the message.
I think he’s talking about the present Barry. Like the Barry that got trained by wells/thawne he thinks flashpoint and all the other mistakes were made by him and future flash/Original timeline flash is probably gonna come and explain it all in season 9 (the big bad) and basically say that this flash is also a temporal duplicate. (Why he was much weaker getting started and all that)
So in other words this flash we are seeing now is another version of savitar. Kinda freaky but could be a good way to get og fans coming back. And rewatching to catch the moments. Not savitar just a duplicate living a lie basically.
I still stand by my belief that the Crisis Crossover, is a different event than the one depicted in the 2024 newspaper. I’m the only one. Nothing that’s described in the story about Flash vanishes in Crisis, happened in the crossover,
I feel the change Is at the end of season 5, Barry will change the timeline to be there for Nora, like he did for his Mother and Father for flashpoint, If this is true, then I think I will call this new, Timeline, "Flashpoint 2.0"
Maybe the warning is about barry being reborn but not being barry. As in him being the reverse or someone worse?
My own theory.: There are maybe 2 savitar God of motion. Cause it's Cisco theory
. And if in 2056 that other savitar attacked Barry and 2056 Barry said don't trust anyone also me. So that's a push to that theory since Barry is savitar. Also Maybe Barry Run Back In time and restored it to finds out savitar is still alive
What if 2056 Barry was the original Savitar? He warns Rip Hunter of his own actions, then runs all the way back in time to get The Philosopher's stone, gathers followers around the multiverse and tried to face Barry in the original timeline, only to be defeated, and sent into the Speed Force (this version of him is likely based on what Jay Garrick told Barry prior to Barry seeing Iris die.)
The same thing happens again in the Post-Flashpoint Timeline, except that Barry uses Time Remnants against him. The use of Time Remnants by Barry unintentionally rewrites his history completely, and he becomes the Savitar we know in Season 3.
Remember that Eobard Thawne also meddled with the past when he killed Barry's mother, which 2056 Barry did not see coming. 2056 Barry was likely still locked in the Speed Force when Eobard Thawne altered the past, and it's possible that this is because the Speed Force behaves similarly to Temporal Zones, shielding him from changes made to the timeline.
I would also go as far to say that in the original time line, Barry did NOT discover the multi-verse, or has, but did not interact with each world's inhabitants, such as Zoom (thus Barry did not know how to create Time Remnants in the original timeline, and did not meet Jay Garrick).
Why would Savitar warn people against his actions. Like hey I am going to do some bad shit, please make sure you stop me. Where is the evil genius in that?
What if the War he was talking about was an event that could threaten the multiverse? I feel they might use the Crisis storyline.
Yeah I believe that is always a possibility.
This is probably about the blue flash maybe he changed the timeline cause Wally died(in the comics) and iris was paralysed so he blames himself and changes the timeline but then he realised he made a big mistake(AGAINNNNN) so he warns rip as he was alive during that moment
I think it will be a future event even though I don't know which one.
Yeah a lot in the comments here are talking De Voe and the Thanagarian war both of which make a whole lot of sense.
the message played a small role in this series. it only came up in the crossover episode. it came up allot in legends. I think it makes much more sense that it has to do with that show. good theory though. and great video.
It came up a lot on legends as a build up until the point where we actually got to hear it and then it never came up again on Legends. I think it will be more about a crossover.
What the Geek that's a good point, but do you have any theories about what it could be on that show? any chance you can think it through and do another video from legends perspective? or just type your thoughts :p?
Well I really have no thoughts on Legends except for the Thanagarian wars which were Easter Egged on season one and I have already uploaded a video on that. But I think if that comes into play earlier than expected it would still be part of a crossover.
What the Geek I was wondering about the message. it was built up so much on legends and any explanation seams to b a downer. I was waiting for some really big twist
Well again like it i said and you just stated that was build up. Besides it definitely has to do with Barry fucking up something and them all ending together fighting the same enemy. And hence the crossover part. It will probably end up being something big, a huge event. Doesn't necessarily have to do with Legends alone.
Barry has learned his lesson he will become savitar he won't change the future
Possibly it is when in the comics when the world's combined.
I think the writers messed up with the message from Barry to Rip. Because as soon as Barry finds out he is Savitar he should have trapped himself in the speed force which means. No future flash on remnants no Savitar. In stead of such a anticlimactic ending. H.R. R.I.P
I know, Glad we agree the finale was such a mess.
I bet ya within the crossover episode, reverse flash said I wonder what face ill be using next. The 2056 Barry said in his message don't trust anyone including me.
Easter egg
Yeah I know, this video was way before that, I did mention that Reverse Flash thing on a video dedicated to just it.
hey in which series this message was played. (arrow or legends of tomorrow
+Omni King Ishan legenda and then on the crossover.
What the Geek the
I think the message is about the upcoming Arrowverse crossover. In which evil versions of all the superheroes appear and wreak havoc. But hey, that's just a theory. A film theory! Aaaaand cut.
Are you quoting Reverse Fuhrer?
Personally I think this is infinite crisis. The network has teased at the famous scene from infinite crisis when Barry's time remnant ran it oblivion on season 2 when it was Flash v Zoom. This is a foreshadowing of the crisis level event, although I feel it is to little evidence to even try to confirm it. Just speculating
It is definitely possible, anything but a warning against Savitar is fine, cause that would be horrid writing.
The message could be from 2024 Barry in his future. When 2017 barry traveled to the future year of 2024, everything was destroyed and everything was grim. But since 2017 Barry stopped savatar and iris didn't die, kid flash didn't lose his mobility and things weren't destroyed and the team is still together fighting crime. 2054 Barry is probably the same Barry as the one in 2024 just older.
You said nobody from the Legends team's past was affect, but Stein ended up with a daughter. That is a pretty big change.
I think you weren't watching Legends of Tomorrow closely or you didn't listen to what I said closely. It is either one. I said Flashpoint did not change anyone's past as far as we know on Team Legend. Stein's daughter was a product of his own meddling with his younger selves life. That much was made perfectly clear.