Ultimate Black Sabbath Vinyl Shootoff: Vertigo vs US White Label Promo vs US Rhino High Fidelity!
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- čas přidán 11. 07. 2024
- Jason Roxas helps me compare a few pressings of Black Sabbath's Self-Titled debut record from 1970. With his A/B Volume matched setup we listen to and discuss these albums and what we are hearing. For best results listen to this video with a good pair of headphones.
Jason's listening setup for this video is:
2 Technics SL1200 turntables
2 Ortofon 2M Black cartridges
Rane 68 mixer
Focusrite Scarlett 4i4
Subscribe to Jason's channel: / @jasonroxas
Jump to 4:42 to get right into the Shootout and skip my wordy Intro.
What do you think the best sounding pressing is? Leave a comment below.
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00:00 Black Sabbath 1970 in Germany Intro
00:33 Introduction & My Thoughts
01:10 Isn't Blue Cheer 'Vincebus Eruptum' the first heavy metal album?
04:38 Shoot out begins!
05:52 Rhino High Fidelity vs US White Label Promo 'The Wizard'
10:27 Our Thoughts
11:47 Rhino High Fidelity vs US White Label Promo 'N.I.B.'
17:59 Our Thoughts
20:29 Rhino High Fidelity vs UK Vertigo 'The Wizard'
25:10 Our Thoughts
27:46 Rhino High Fidelity vs UK Vertigo 'Sleeping Village'
37:10 Our Thoughts
38:30 My Choice for Best Version!!
39:01 Jason's choice for the 'Blackest' Sabbath!
41:29 My Final Thoughts
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In this video, Jason Roxas and Vinyl Piper listen to and discuss three different pressings of Black Sabbath's 1970 Self-Titled debut album. They go into detail describing what they are hearing and attempt to present an honest impression of their thoughts on which sounds the best. - Hudba
Chris, I was like you. I just kept enjoying the music without paying close enough attention. There weren't any jarring differences which brought me back to reality. Thanks to you and Jason, Chris
I agree.. especially when not comparing they all sound great on their own.
Great video guys that UK Vertigo is a beast wish I could find that pressing. The White label sounds very nice love your comparisons very nice collection of record pressings
@@MrLovell1971 thanks Lovell, I enjoy your videos!!
@@VinylPiper I really appreciate you brother 🍻
I like what you guys did here, and how you went about it. I'm sure it can be improved, tweaked, etc., but since I've seen Jason's process firsthand, I think it's pretty good for directly comparing sounds in real time. 👍
Great shootout, thanks guys! 😎
It's really hard for me to pick a "favorite", but probably the US if I absolutely had to pick just one. The UK's are a little darker, but I personally prefer it a little brighter, but not too bright like the Rhino can be (at times). I have 3 different copies - a Rhino HiFi, US Artisan (Greenie Pitman), & UK WWA (with Vertigo stampers) pressing and enjoy them all... I wouldn't sell any of them. 🤷
If anyone missed out on the Rhino or don't care for it, I'd say grab a clean Greenie or UK WWA, which are both pretty affordable. 👍
hey there.. thanks for the comment.. you. the US OGs are great and still a good price point.
I've had a VG+ early Warner green label for some time, but I also picked up the new Rhino as well. I'd be happiest if I could have my OG on the HiFi vinyl. Best of both worlds.
best of both worlds.. for sure..
The best thing by far of the video is the Modern Clix record behind Jason!!!! One of the best records in spanish. Also great job on the shootoff, thanks!
ha, thx
Many thanks Vinyl Piper and company
Thanks Dave.. It was all Jason's doing.. his setup is great for this.. check out his other shootouts.. czcams.com/video/LqBYehoY32I/video.htmlsi=5ToS4VmIxYw3qKsi
@VinylPiper absolutely, meant to thank Jason as well.ive been looking for his channel.
Did you hear that??? That was the sound of asking prices for UK Vertigo pressings doubling on Discogs.
definately asking prices of the US 1st will go up..
The middle is the way. There are virtues on both sides and there are errors in both extremes. Anyone making a fixed decision is simply basing it on preference.
I think it’s kind of funny you stated that you’re not an audiophile Isn’t it the audiophiles stressing out over this Black Sabbath Rhino release? Making endless comparisons between all the other pressings they have???
I'm thinking most audiophiles don't like Sabbath but I could be wrong.. I do have to many pressings.. that'll change soon :) I have more Paranoid than I do this self titled..
US vs Rhino, so close, basically the same (only you can buy the Rhino M today.. ticks annoy me). Wizard on the Vertigo sounded better to me overall, perhaps because it's a brighter song so the Rhino's clarity doesn't contribute. But I preferred the Sleeping Village on the Rhino, the clarity added to the song here, I think it was an improvement (even if to the detriment of some low notes). Thanks for putting this together guys, great work
I agree.. it's so close.. splitting hairs.. thanks for watching.
I think the generational tape loss between an early Vertigo versus the Rhino will play into things too...
Yeah.. i'm curious how much changes the sound...
Vertigo by a mile! By “thicker” I think you mean tonally accurate.👍🏻
nice.. thanks..
I own multiple copies I love them all I like WB & Vertico my 2024 Rhino is my current preferred spin the dynamics with dead silent vinyl you can hear more detail bass has been cleaned up Ozzie's vocals are slightly more forward bills drums have more drive tyes bills symbols are rude..
OG is my fav still all said the Rhino is the resolution pressing no denying that the soundstage is vastly different heard on a decent system or headphones 🤔
nice.. thanks for that..
Great stuff “. I really like how you and Jason did this comparison. I think the only issue I see is that you are using cans. Cans are ok to hear tiny little details but it totally takes away the depth and soundstage. Everything is just in your head with cans. I think true tests are always done with real stereo setup. So it becomes sort of setup dependent. Cans are not all created equal. So, the can test is good but it is really hard to tell if you have a big sound stage and depth. After many listens. I really think the rhino hifi is the definitive audio version for me. Another thing to consider. The DR measurements of the think hi fi has higher DR values. This tells me the original is slightly compressed. Also, carts matter. Some can play the energy and some can’t. This could be part of the difference. Also, I found I can turn up the Rhino way higher without overloading my ears. The vertigo is hotter and think compression definitely employed. Compression is crack for the ears. There is a reason it is employed. Of course the OG has collectible value and is a great listen too. I guess we need all of em 😮.
Valid point.. i did, after the fact, send via bluetooth to my home stereo and listened for a bit but who knows how much that messed with everything as well as the streamyard feed itself.
Not sure how you are able to claim there is no digital step when the USB mixer has 24bit/48Khz converters in its USB output OR you went analog out to the FocusRite which then did the conversion. Either way you have a digital "step", but to each their own methods
Yeah.. after this whole prcoess my audio claims are crap.. I'm just going to stay in my lane and enjoy the music and lyrics the history of it all. I might as well be using a crosley cause that sounds pretty damn good too. I was sure though that #3 on your blind shootout was the Rhino.. :( czcams.com/video/ECKHGV6FrR0/video.html I would be interested in hearing a discussion with you and Jason about your different approaches and the pros/cons of it. Thanks for joining in on the dialog. #respect
Hey @pbthal Patrick, you can argue about the “digital step” all you want. We did the record A/B comparison live and we could hear difference between pressings. Aren’t you also using “digital” vinyl rips with a digital step?
Instead of attacking us or my A/B method, can you hear the difference between the pressings in the video? 🤔🤷🏻♂️
@@JasonRoxas Hmm I was not attacking anyone, I was correcting the statement that there was no digital step. Of course I have a digital step, I never said otherwise, and I am not using "real records" according to some so it really does not matter because there is no "definitive pressing" and there is no "truest method", just what we as individuals like the best
@@pbthal Yes.. I think I might have made that no digital step comment :(
Can’t believe four people liked the way you worded that
Which UK Vertigo pressing was used for the comparison?
Hi there.. It was this one.. www.discogs.com/release/5453836-Black-Sabbath-Black-Sabbath
The Rhino sounds a little thin compared to the OG but they both sound good.
I agree.. if you didn't have them side by side and just one coming from your stereo they all sound great..
The Australian Fontana pressing will make your testicles tingle.
And i hate to break it to ya but if you care about audio quality you're an audiophile.
You should have done the comparisons without knowing which copy was playing
I've never heard of the Australian Fontana pressing :) Thanks for commenting.. If you want a good blind shoot out.. go here.. czcams.com/video/ECKHGV6FrR0/video.htmlsi=Ph0BRiozseWYeSou
I like the Aussie Fontana too. A buddy turned me on to that one ^jeffmichaelcarney^ @jeffmichaelcarney #jeffmichaelcarney (I don't know if any one of those will work) . Out of the 3 that Chris and Jason compared, I don't know gentlemen, I didn't hear what you heard. I liked the US WLP the best. It had the best low end of the 3, the best foundation, and it's not fatiguing like the Rhino is. I didn't think the UK Vertigo sounds as good as the US WLP. I think it's on the brighter side too ... The Aussie Fontana is darker too. Loved this comparison though. I'll have to look up your (and Jason's) other videos ... 👍👍👍
@@VinylPiper Of course, there are multiple Australian Fontana pressings.
@@glitterforall9865 gerat.. i'll check them out.. thanks.
@@kevin5brown Thanks.. i'll definately look out for a Aussie Fontana version..