Mega Comparison of Boeing 777x vs A350-1000 Aircraft

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  • Mega Comparison of Boeing 777x vs A350-1000 Aircraft.
    Boeing 777x and Airbus a350 is wide body aircraft featured with advanced technology. we can call this a 21st century aircraft which has been improved with lesser carbon emission engine. Both aircraft have its uniqueness in terms of capabilities & performance.
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  • @internationalsolartech
    @internationalsolartech Před rokem +50

    I just returned from a 2 week trip to India and made a point to find flights that included the 350-1000 as the chosen equipment... On Qatar Airways, their 350-1000's are equipped with QSuites in the Business class cabin...Other than the sheer luxury, these new planes with their RR engines are amazingly quiet... A truly wonderful plane to fly internationally...

    • @JetlineMarvel
      @JetlineMarvel  Před rokem +3

      That’s incredible aircraft .. thanks for sharing your experience

    • @JetlineMarvel
      @JetlineMarvel  Před rokem +2

      Flying with Qatar is amazing but sad thing is Qatar is no more operates A350 due to dispute with airbus company ..

  • @johnathonearle4976
    @johnathonearle4976 Před rokem +24

    I flew the A350 to Paris from Montreal and Paris to Mauritus. The plane is comfortable and very quiet. It handled well in heavy turbulence over ethiopia.

  • @dreadscott533
    @dreadscott533 Před 2 lety +166

    B-777X and A350 are both outstanding aircraft. Your presentation not so much. Your comparisons are misleading and dishonest; you should be comparing the A350-1000 to the B-777-8, not the dash 9. I could go further but I feel like I’m responding to a Bot which would be a waste of time.

    • @razorgamer226
      @razorgamer226 Před rokem +1

      Yea

    • @Nissih_Yabanga
      @Nissih_Yabanga Před rokem +4

      Damn i was just about to start watching the video

    • @wickster79
      @wickster79 Před rokem +9

      While watching this. I would like to point out that it seems the a350 is a better fit. Burns less fuel with a better range, can hold more passengers then the triple 7, and with the weight to range as well you are comparing a 6 cylinder to a 8 cylinder. Only difference is yeah the triple 7 has a better engine power for take off but that is about it. So I think the a350 is the better plane for the buck.

    • @thehighlander959
      @thehighlander959 Před 11 měsíci +1

      How do you know. The Boeing 777X is not in service whereas the Airbus A350 nine hundred and one thousand are in airline service.

    • @erastusnjoki2404
      @erastusnjoki2404 Před 11 měsíci +1

      They are incorrect on many specs on 777x 9

  • @olivernaufal
    @olivernaufal Před 2 lety +91

    The A350 is by far the quietest and most comfortable plane I’ve been on.

    • @CodPix
      @CodPix Před 2 lety +6

      for comfort, it depends of the airline

    • @shonix123
      @shonix123 Před 2 lety +9

      A380 is the best... was so quiet meanwhile 777-300 moves a a lot!!!

    • @Aviciiz
      @Aviciiz Před 2 lety

      Is it more quiet than the 787? Felt like that was more quiet than a bus ride

    • @CodPix
      @CodPix Před 2 lety

      @@shonix123 it depends of turbulence

    • @somdattsable5540
      @somdattsable5540 Před rokem +1

      Becoz b777 has two Giant GE engines

  • @tjr4459
    @tjr4459 Před 2 lety +119

    As a 777 fan regrettably I must admit the A350 has the edge. That range is amazing and very fuel efficient.

    • @jacobzimmermann59
      @jacobzimmermann59 Před 2 lety +6

      The A350 has a composite (=lighter) fuselage and more advanced avionics. The 777X has half-generation newer engines and a newer wing. With its larger size it will give it a lower CASM on those routes where its capacity can be filled. Where it can't, the A350 is the better plane.

    • @boatlover1875
      @boatlover1875 Před 2 lety +1

      Agree, the range is the only real advantage. Question is how many city pairs will that difference actually matter? Not sure having a London to Sydney direct flight makes too big a case for an airline design.

    • @jacobzimmermann59
      @jacobzimmermann59 Před 2 lety +4

      @@boatlover1875 There is another big advantage: lower flight cost. Where you have enough passengers to fill a 777X, you should definitely consider that. On routes where it's not the case, you'd be much better off flying a 90% filled A350 than a 75% filled 777X.
      It's exactly the same argument as the 787 vs the A380, although here the difference between the two planes' sizes is of course much less. But still.
      And then there are other factors. If your widebody fleet is already all 787s and 777s, you would probably not even look at the A350 as commonality is a big factor. Same if your fleet is A330s and A350s.
      Then of course if you are a loyal Airbus or Boeing customer, you would get significant discounts on new orders, which need to be factored in. Etc.
      I think Airbus didn't need youtube to make the case for its aircraft design, and the sales prove that it did it right;.

    • @danharold3087
      @danharold3087 Před 2 lety +1

      @@jacobzimmermann59 If one has a plane you can't fill that does not reflect on the plane. More like a poor management choice.

    • @jacobzimmermann59
      @jacobzimmermann59 Před 2 lety +2

      @@danharold3087 Like every plane it's optimal for a certain type of traffic. If your traffic is of a different type then it's a poorly selected plane.

  • @kaclni2004
    @kaclni2004 Před 2 lety +32

    I flew in the A350-1000 with british airways,i'ts majestic in the air,i look forward to fly on the majestic 777x,i believe they'r both two beautiful aircraft's of the modern technology!

  • @nickysabai
    @nickysabai Před 2 lety +96

    The composite materials used in the A350 give it a much better weight to performance ratio which also equates to lower running costs. That makes it the best choice overall.

    • @prasenjittripura4691
      @prasenjittripura4691 Před 2 lety +6

      Boeing first started composite materials in b787,,so 777 x is made of composite materials nly

    • @arielleblond6201
      @arielleblond6201 Před rokem +2

      Ge 9X for now has not a good strength's reputation. It will maybe very expensive to entertain. No recent news on this point since late 2019.

    • @planeup__3049
      @planeup__3049 Před rokem +4

      Personally, I see the same rivalry as the 787 and the A330neo, the 777x and the A330neo are planes that somehow defend themselves against the competition.
      Many airlines wanted to replace their A330-200s with 787s and this one is selling pretty well on the market so Airbus wanted to keep the A330 in the race with the Neo but that's just not enough. The 787 is a much more advanced and comfortable aircraft with better fuel economy and is an all new model.
      It's exactly the same for the A350 and the 777x. The companies intended to replace their 777 and A380 with A350 (in particular Air France), and there Boeing wanted to maintain the 777 (which is a success) with the 777x which is like the A330neo, a more economical, more efficient version and with more capacity than older versions.
      But only, the 787 and the A350 are simply better because they are superior advanced technology aircraft and much more economical and efficient with their carbon composition. Both of these if are best in class, a brand new more advanced aircraft will always sell and outperform an old upgraded aircraft.
      Especially since the A330neo and the 777x keep their old heavy fuselage in aluminum metal while the A350 and the 787 have their fuselage in carbon, much lighter and which reduces fuel consumption and makes the cabin quieter and which suddenly makes these planes more comfortable.
      On the other hand, the 777x has a better chance of withstanding the competition thanks to freight and cargo variables and also the fact that companies can use it to replace their A380 or 747 while keeping almost the same amount of passengers per flight and that with less fuel consumed and much more efficiency.

    • @otmarvasatko5888
      @otmarvasatko5888 Před rokem

      @@planeup__3049 absolutely accurate explanation of all the differences

    • @kwwong2013
      @kwwong2013 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@prasenjittripura4691777X use the same aluminium fuselage from the older 777

  • @WillGallagher1
    @WillGallagher1 Před rokem +30

    Love the a350 - just flew AirFrance from Chicago to Paris and it was one of the most comfortable jets I’ve been on!

  • @Greatdome99
    @Greatdome99 Před rokem +13

    6:11: CFD = Computational Fluid Dynamics. Airbus is not the only airframer to use this. Everybody does.

  • @kinyorojohn4759
    @kinyorojohn4759 Před 2 lety +62

    A350 wins in fuel effieciency and its long range,which to me is a big plus.

    • @yeaminchowdhury.3440
      @yeaminchowdhury.3440 Před 2 lety +4

      Is real competitor is the 777-8. The 9 is built to go shorter ranges but have more seating capacity

    • @widget787
      @widget787 Před 2 lety +2

      Depends, then 777-9 will be a much better Cargo hauler over longer distances and also is more fuel efficient per seats If the Airline can sell the extra seats over the A350-1000.

    • @prasenjittripura4691
      @prasenjittripura4691 Před 2 lety +2

      who told u ,, 777x 15-20% fuel efficient than its peer competitors

    • @chasetemple3129
      @chasetemple3129 Před 2 lety

      But what’s the point of more capacity? Isn’t that why the 747 died?

    • @yeaminchowdhury.3440
      @yeaminchowdhury.3440 Před 2 lety +4

      @@chasetemple3129 no, because of operational costs, fuel, and othe better efficient planes. The 747 has a very large seating capacity, so that was not the reason. Airlines want alot of capacity, because more capacity=more money

  • @johnspiron6197
    @johnspiron6197 Před rokem +28

    I rode a 350-900 from Rome to Atlanta. Flew very well, despite the two storms we hit over the Atlantic.

    • @TheGecko213
      @TheGecko213 Před rokem

      because it can flap its wings 😂

  • @uchedike9213
    @uchedike9213 Před 2 lety +39

    Some of your facts are incorrect. Eg the 777x seat more passengers than the a35k. Please ensure your facts are right before coming on CZcams. Just a piece of advice

    • @JetlineMarvel
      @JetlineMarvel  Před 2 lety +2

      Hii .. thanks for the advice .. facts are taken from Wikipedia.

    • @andrewkenobi9486
      @andrewkenobi9486 Před 2 lety +5

      @@JetlineMarvel exactly

    • @uchedike9213
      @uchedike9213 Před 2 lety +8

      @@JetlineMarvel Maximum seat configuration (one class ) for the 777-9 wasn't given. So, it is proper to access based on available 2 class for both. 779 is bigger than the a35k in every physical parameters, thus, should seat more passengers than the Airbus flagship

    • @phillipparrish5577
      @phillipparrish5577 Před 2 lety +7

      Airbus fanboy facts??

    • @stradivarioushardhiantz5179
      @stradivarioushardhiantz5179 Před 2 lety +1

      @@uchedike9213 FrenchBee A35K; 480 seat

  • @opalrx7
    @opalrx7 Před rokem +8

    As a passenger, i would choose the A359/35x (less fuel burn might reduce the price tag ;) ), as i like planes, i like both of them :) I flew 359 twice, but 789, 77x not yet achieved.

  • @Glen.Danielsen
    @Glen.Danielsen Před 2 lety +11

    _Both_ aircraft: Wow! 💛💛

  • @davidcole333
    @davidcole333 Před 2 lety +15

    They're both outstanding and when there is competition the consumer wins.

  • @BitcoinFootball
    @BitcoinFootball Před 2 lety +1

    Love the info. Cheers!

  • @planeup__3049
    @planeup__3049 Před rokem +11

    Personally, I see the same rivalry as the 787 and the A330neo, the 777x and the A330neo are planes that somehow defend themselves against the competition.
    Many airlines wanted to replace their A330-200s with 787s and this one is selling pretty well on the market so Airbus wanted to keep the A330 in the race with the Neo but that's just not enough. The 787 is a much more advanced and comfortable aircraft with better fuel economy and is an all new model.
    It's exactly the same for the A350 and the 777x. The companies intended to replace their 777 and A380 with A350 (in particular Air France), and there Boeing wanted to maintain the 777 (which is a success) with the 777x which is like the A330neo, a more economical, more efficient version and with more capacity than older versions.
    But only, the 787 and the A350 are simply better because they are superior advanced technology aircraft and much more economical and efficient with their carbon composition. Both of these if are best in class, a brand new more advanced aircraft will always sell and outperform an old upgraded aircraft.
    Especially since the A330neo and the 777x keep their old heavy fuselage in aluminum metal while the A350 and the 787 have their fuselage in carbon, much lighter and which reduces fuel consumption and makes the cabin quieter and which suddenly makes these planes more comfortable.
    On the other hand, the 777x has a better chance of withstanding the competition thanks to freight and cargo variables and also the fact that companies can use it to replace their A380 or 747 while keeping almost the same amount of passengers per flight and that with less fuel consumed and much more efficiency.

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před rokem +3

      Disagreed with A350-1000 being more efficient than 777X, the data available currently is not at all enough to support this claim.
      The only thing we know for now is that GE9X has turned out even more efficient than GE promised which makes your claim even more questionable and Lufthansa, one of the largest 350 customer says 777-9's efficiency is just as good as their 350 fleet.
      Also, unlike 787 vs 330neo the 777X is beating the A350-1000 by a good margin in orders. The A350-900 has a lot of orders but it has less seats than 787-10 which makes it irrelevant when talking about 777X.
      The example you gave of Air France is also irrelevant since they chose the A350-900 to replace the 777-200ER fleet. The largest A350-900 customer in the world, SIA has 0 A35K on order but 30+ 777-9 so the airlines having 359 in their fleet isn't a loss for the 777X program but for 787 program where Boeing failed to sell 787-10.

    • @planeup__3049
      @planeup__3049 Před rokem

      @@aseem7w9 I admit that I prefer boieng than Airbus but the A350 seems really efficient to me but on the other hand it was my impression but the 777x seems in certain aspects much more efficient

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před rokem

      @@planeup__3049 both are super efficient planes and the margin between them isn't big enough that fuel efficiency is a plus point for any of these 2.
      If the fuel efficiency gap is big enough to matter much then manufacturers will be trying find new ways on how to improve it like airbus with a340 600 trying to give it new engines not even 5 years after its first flight due to 777 300er's excellency.

    • @maxsaviation9512
      @maxsaviation9512 Před 11 měsíci +2

      A Boeing aircraft comfortable? Almost impossible!

  • @Eigil_Skovgaard
    @Eigil_Skovgaard Před rokem +20

    The A350 is also great to look at. The comfort is in top.

  • @prasannakurukuladithya7630
    @prasannakurukuladithya7630 Před 2 lety +12

    There should be always competition without monopoly.The more players are in any segment the better the innovation to outcompete the other.

    • @bakgatfromgb
      @bakgatfromgb Před rokem

      Totally agree. The fierce competition has produced the best in both aircraft. So sad however to see the gentle giant of the skies, the A380 will no longer be seen in the near future

  • @AirKristi
    @AirKristi Před 11 měsíci +3

    For me it’s both. But price A350-1000 is far cheaper than 777X and A350-1000 can fly farrer.

  • @gordonblues843
    @gordonblues843 Před rokem +3

    Tones, absolute genius. Great to know I'm really listening to an expert here.

  • @jasiralishaikh5929
    @jasiralishaikh5929 Před 2 lety +16

    777x look cool and A350 look beautiful because of the curved Sharklets

  • @NetWit20
    @NetWit20 Před rokem +1

    This nose up angle is perfectly safe. The wings still have plenty of lift or the aircraft would drop like a rock. The pilot knows this and is a real pro. The first public demo of a 707 back in the mid-fifties was more hair raising. The pilot executive a complete barrel roll. True, he may have had a lot more altitude, but that was pretty gut wrenching to watch nevertheless.

  • @TheGersh18
    @TheGersh18 Před rokem +5

    There is still consideration by Boeing to produce the 777X-10, which will likely increase range and seating capacity.

    • @rscott2247
      @rscott2247 Před 11 měsíci +1

      I don't get the stats with this video. It says the 777x has a greater fuel payload than the A350 and yet the Airbus can fly further. Something doesn't add up right ?

  • @user-hg6ci2oe9f
    @user-hg6ci2oe9f Před 11 měsíci +3

    Both have advantage over the other. Hard to tell the better one. ❤

  • @adrianquialv3021
    @adrianquialv3021 Před 2 lety +2

    I love BOEING 777X

  • @Stjepan105
    @Stjepan105 Před rokem

    What is this tones measure? How many kg in one tone?

  • @louismeinert9348
    @louismeinert9348 Před 2 lety +3

    Use all economy seating when comparing the seating capacity. There are just too many variables

  • @Flies2FLL
    @Flies2FLL Před 2 lety +9

    "tones"?
    I think this was an infomercial for Airbus, not a comparison.

  • @ryantan9275
    @ryantan9275 Před 2 lety +21

    Fair comparison should be 777-8 vs A350-1000
    And also 480 seats for the A350 is the theoretical exit limits. It should be compared to the emergency exit limits of 777 as well.

    • @jacobzimmermann59
      @jacobzimmermann59 Před 2 lety +3

      I though the 777-8 project had been dropped?

    • @jacobzimmermann59
      @jacobzimmermann59 Před 2 lety +3

      @yo yo Projects get dropped all the time. The A358 has been dropped, the 737ERX has been dropped, the 787-300 etc. You never get a plane "for free". There are design changes AND systems changes involved, you must certify it, set up assembly lines etc. When the demand for that plane is deemed too weak to justify the investment, it gets dropped. In the case of the 777-8, it was too close to the A351 in terms of capacity to be competitive performance-wise so AFAIK it was killed off in 2019. It's one of the reasons why Boeing lost Qantas' Sunrise bid by the way.

    • @hodb3906
      @hodb3906 Před 2 lety

      The thing that actually matters with both aircraft is the cost per passenger per miles that one seat can take. That's why the 777-9 is stretched to fit more passengers which will automatically lower the cost per seat mile compared to the 777-300ER. So that it can remain competitive with the A350-1000. Not to mention that the biggest advantage the 777-9 has over the a350 is that it's the 777-300ER successor. The a350-1000 is a standalone aircraft and despite being older, doesn't rake in the amount of orders compared to the 777-9. Even if half those orders are Emirates. Also since the 777-300ER is still a more than capable aircraft, airlines have no need for an a350-1000, at least currently.
      Anyways...
      Problem with both 777X aircraft is that they are heavier than the a350-1000 as the a350 has a considerable larger amount of CFRP uses.
      The 777-8 is however not competitive with the a350-1000 looking at the specs. The 777-8 carries slightly more passengers, with the same range but with FAR more fuel and a FAR higher OEW.
      The 777-9 vs a350-1000 is actually the right comparison.

    • @hodb3906
      @hodb3906 Před 2 lety

      @@jacobzimmermann59 Never heard of any news that the 777-8 project is dropped but there is a chance they are probably going to because it's just not competitive with the a350-1000.
      Or maybe not and the 777-8 will continue but I'm just not sure whether it's going to be a huge success.

    • @Hotfroglady
      @Hotfroglady Před 2 lety +2

      @yo yo Air Caraibes is currently operating 3 A350 with 480 seats all economy.

  • @Bl0ckHe1d
    @Bl0ckHe1d Před 10 měsíci

    When talking about fuel and weight, what is a “tones”?

  • @mikkel7876
    @mikkel7876 Před rokem +2

    Not to mention the A350´s lack of trimtanks = Center of Gravity issues = less cargo carried.

  • @anwarozr82
    @anwarozr82 Před rokem +1

    4:34 Most interesting Fact aboug A350 ...it has less fuel tank capacity, but its Range is above 16000 km

  • @oliverlockhart5047
    @oliverlockhart5047 Před 2 lety +7

    I like A350 and 789 so far but really looking forward to see 777-9 planes fly in the air soon.

  • @waldoinaz
    @waldoinaz Před 2 lety +6

    Why do these moronic comparison videos always manage to fail to disclose maintenance costs? After calling the A380 the most amazing, capable and fuel efficient aircraft EVER, the A380's are filling up the boneyards much faster than their buyer's would have ever expected. Why? The maintenance costs are killing them. Airbus can't even find anyone to lease the damn things.

  • @64mkb
    @64mkb Před rokem +3

    How is it that the bigger 777-9 has a smaller seating capacity than the 350-1000? 🤔

  • @patrickpeters2903
    @patrickpeters2903 Před 2 lety +35

    I'm wondering if Boeing didn't see the wide-body market bigger than the reality. Especially after the pandemic. The cargo version will be popular. But the big challenge for Boeing is the profitability of the project. Neither the B737 MAX nor the B787 are money makers. Because of the quality and design issues. Despite high sales of both planes. Airbus is already making money of each A350. And the future cargo version starts to be a real and credible challenger. While the A220 and A320/321 NEO are eating up the single aisle orders......

    • @guillaumedupont7565
      @guillaumedupont7565 Před 2 lety +11

      You said it all contrary to all the Boeing fans who hammer that the 777x is alone in its category the best the most beautiful the most this or the most that .. Boeing to hear them is the creator of heaven and earth but they forget The essential: The 777X will not save the rout of Boeing, which is bankrupt and is selling two planes, the 787 and the MAX, at a loss
      The delays of the 777x due to its many technological problems will, as with the dreamliner, reduce its break-even point, which with 1400 orders is still not profitable.
      300 orders of 777x will not be enough to make it profitable when the program already costs three times more than expected
      the 350 has been profitable since the 200th delivery, not to mention the best-selling 320 l aircraft in the world, which has a 65% market share and has been profitable for years with more than 15,000 orders
      Boieng makes planes for glory and goes straight into the wall
      Airbus is the leading manufacturer and sells planes that bring in billions of dollars, that's being the best... The rest is pipe dreams and fan illusions

    • @arielleblond6201
      @arielleblond6201 Před rokem +6

      Airbus has the best response today on the market's demands. Boeing has lost its reputation of safety.

    • @altavelmcnamara
      @altavelmcnamara Před rokem +3

      @@guillaumedupont7565 Airbus is crushing Boeing.

    • @pvp64
      @pvp64 Před rokem

      @@guillaumedupont7565 Yes the A380 is a good example.🤣

    • @guillaumedupont7565
      @guillaumedupont7565 Před rokem

      @@pvp64 Another lying troll .... The 380 neither made nor cost Airbus money and Boeing is bankrupt AH not Airbus

  • @jorgeo4164
    @jorgeo4164 Před rokem +12

    I love the 777, however, sadly, the A350 beats it on pretty much every category. The 777 is unfortunately a complete failure in comparison to the A350. I can't believe Boing allowed this to happen. Someone should lose their job for this epic failure.

    • @GeneralHAWXX
      @GeneralHAWXX Před rokem +2

      Boeing used to dominate the skies. However, the way I see now for Boeing would be the same way I view American car manufacturers vs European car manufacturers. Obviously Europeans have the better engineering, technology, and schools that help produce great engineers. America is stuck and losing ground in everything they used to be the world leaders in.

    • @jorgeo4164
      @jorgeo4164 Před rokem

      @@GeneralHAWXX And you can blame the left-wingers for all that failure.

    • @arielleblond6201
      @arielleblond6201 Před rokem +1

      Boeing is financialy saved by US Army's orders. For how long?

    • @remeyrune6009
      @remeyrune6009 Před rokem +1

      777 is based on a decades old design, they should compare the 787-9

  • @like-eo2rf
    @like-eo2rf Před 2 lety

    Nice...

  • @bhai857
    @bhai857 Před 11 měsíci

    Honestly I never experienced any difference between B777 and A350, except the A350 had a bigger IFE systems that was really great! Else, as a passenger, both were great.

  • @papillonal08
    @papillonal08 Před rokem +9

    I have flown on both planes with KLM (777) and Delta Airlines (A350), I must say it is rather difficult to say which one is better because both planes were equally comfortable. However, I must admit that A350 is a quieter plane and my journey from Los Angeles to Sydney Australia was very comfortable and not tiring at all despite the 14 hour flight, whereas my flight on 777 from Paris, via Amsterdam to Washington DC felt a bit cramped and noticeably louder.

    • @sidhusharma1513
      @sidhusharma1513 Před rokem +5

      I think you should fly the same route with 2 different aircraft than you can tell the diffrence

    • @papillonal08
      @papillonal08 Před rokem +1

      @@sidhusharma1513 good point

    • @Blockthecreeper
      @Blockthecreeper Před rokem +3

      777's engine is more powerful therefore it could be louder that way

    • @AndreW-qj9yc
      @AndreW-qj9yc Před 11 měsíci +1

      @@Blockthecreeper It's even a bit overperforming

    • @astroboy4653
      @astroboy4653 Před 8 měsíci +2

      blud 777x has not released.

  • @nelsonguzmam1566
    @nelsonguzmam1566 Před rokem

    Wonderfull aircrafts

  • @marsmoorthy
    @marsmoorthy Před rokem

    Nice watching the video

  • @leiladaquil6587
    @leiladaquil6587 Před 2 lety

    How many stewardess 350 can carry?

  • @fahadsaeed6726
    @fahadsaeed6726 Před rokem +1

    Saudi Arabia has recently requested a large order of Dreamliner 787 aircraft. Was the Saudi government's choice successful instead of the Airbus 350?

  • @easydrive3662
    @easydrive3662 Před 2 lety +19

    The b777 overall is just slightly larger but not by much. I've always been a fan of the more beefier looking 777 as the a350 is more slender looking esp around the tail area of which its tail looks quite abit smaller, the 777 is more in proportion. There both fantastic aircraft but the 777 looks abit more old school like a 767 or a330 so for me the winner is the b777!

    • @iamra_n3189
      @iamra_n3189 Před 2 lety +3

      I’m a huge 777 fan too! It was one of, if not the main motivational machine I’d admire throughout my training and career. The 77W seems to have been the ultimate game changer. Vastly more capable than any Airbus competitor and visually striking with such immense size and incredible engines! Unfortunately, I feel Boeing really missed the mark with the new 777X. It’s taking too long to develop, due to many reasons as we all know, not all directly related to the program itself. And I think they should’ve taken more of the quantum leap tech from the 787, building the fuselage primarily of composites. It’s such a massive machine and impressive for that, but it just stacks up too heavy against the A350, who was developed initially as an ad hoc answer to the 787 and has matured in to a seriously heavy hitter that only sips the fuel. Boeing’s corporate derailment, resulting in technical incompetence at times, has allowed Airbus who are very good at rapidly reacting to market drivers and new technology, to leap ahead with their machines which are remarkable in their own right. I fear the 777X will never match the market share of the 77W.

    • @easydrive3662
      @easydrive3662 Před 2 lety +3

      @@iamra_n3189 the b777 is more of a meaner looking machine, more in proportion with those huge engines and i like the sloping front end where the cockpit is. My 2 favourite widebodies are the A330 neo and the B777 200 and 300series

  • @empatil9335
    @empatil9335 Před 2 lety +15

    I’m partial to Boeing but the 350 is super quiet. Best plane to fly in

  • @planestrainsdogsncars4336

    The 777x capacity appears to be marginally better than the Airbus ...However for the price of a 777x you could buy an A350 PLUS an A220 ..and run 2 airlines .

    • @planestrainsdogsncars4336
      @planestrainsdogsncars4336 Před 2 lety +2

      @yo yo I'm aware that airlines get a price package ..however the difference in the 2 list prices is enormous.

  • @rel6438
    @rel6438 Před 2 lety +4

    Please get your facts together. Please just get your information and facts correct

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety

      Tell us Mr engineer tell us what the facts are supposed to be since you build the two aircraft in your garage so well...

    • @_MOORE_1986
      @_MOORE_1986 Před 2 lety +1

      @@mwat22 There is another seating configuration for the 777-9 that seats way more passengers than what was shown. Its quite a bit more than the A350. That being said, the 777-9 burns less fuel per seat. It can carry way more of a payload, which is another win for the 777X, when it comes to selling Freighters. That of course will be the 777-8F, which Qatar has ordered as well.

  • @johayneskippers2703
    @johayneskippers2703 Před 2 lety +22

    I'd still take the A350. Makes no sense to carry more cargo and fuel, less pax but not be able to match the A350 flight distance. And then there's the cost of the 777x at over 400mil per unit...
    I'll stick to the A350 then. It's been tried and tested. The 777x is currently delayed too.

    • @Flies2FLL
      @Flies2FLL Před 2 lety +3

      Just that minor issue of the skin peeling off....

    • @iLoveBoysandBerries
      @iLoveBoysandBerries Před 2 lety +1

      The numbers are incorrect. The 777 has the longest range in its class

    • @Flies2FLL
      @Flies2FLL Před 2 lety +2

      @@iLoveBoysandBerries I was going to say the same thing [though without any real research]. How can the A350 hold 54 more passengers while having a far smaller footprint? They have similar engines yet the 777 carries "34 tones" more fuel but has 80 percent the range? That makes no sense either.

    • @garthwright6308
      @garthwright6308 Před 2 lety

      Someone's finally making sense 😁👋👋👋👋

    • @stevebeckerman4214
      @stevebeckerman4214 Před 2 lety +2

      It’s cargo in the hold that makes money.

  • @KingShadStarSeed9
    @KingShadStarSeed9 Před rokem +2

    I just love 777....its my favorite model of all

  • @ranjanshaw5518
    @ranjanshaw5518 Před 2 lety +1

    MODULATED SIGNAL SYSTEM FOR CONTROL PANEL
    Numerous instruments and controls in (say)a big aircraft is interconnected by a very large
    numbers of parallel individual cables running whole length of air craft for each connection.
    This can be reduced to one shielded cable to cover whole length of aircraft for all the
    connections
    From this one cable connections will branch out to instrument and control panel at control
    panel in the cockpit at one end ,and to the sensors and devices of the system at various
    ends..
    Presently Sensors send analogs current to move the instrument.
    Instead of this each sensor will be embedded with a modulator and encrypter like a mobile
    phone.
    So the instrument will transmit a low powered signal just like that coming out of mobile
    phone. The current will be low and all instruments and devices can send and receive
    multiple signals through one shielded cable.
    this cable will also supply power to all devices. Due to encryption the accuracy is assured
    and .maintenance of just one cable becomes simple.
    In large aircraft weight of cables will be reduced and assembly becomes easier.
    Multiple sensors for one parameter can be installed at low cost ,this will vastly increase
    safety . ..There are dozens of instances of aircraft crash due to failure of power supply to,
    or signal received from ,just one of the sensors >like Air speed sensor ,temperature sensor.
    Altimeter,Artificial horizons etc.
    These failings were very minor but resulted in disasters.
    The proposed system will ensure saftey
    20 mins · Edited · Public

    • @davidcrick1123
      @davidcrick1123 Před 2 lety

      You must be an aeronautical engineer! Who do you work for?

  • @parvezshaikhul
    @parvezshaikhul Před rokem +1

    For me 777-9 is the best looking and beefy beast like American Bald Eagle looks like King of skies only issue is the noise inside the cabin every one is very familiar with 777 ER How noisy it is in interior on intercontinental journey.

  • @yathindrak1295
    @yathindrak1295 Před rokem +6

    I flew on a Airbus 350-900 from Boston to Doha. The experience was great and the aircraft is roomy and comfortable and the noise was lesser than that of the long haul Boeing airplanes.

    • @AliefCJ
      @AliefCJ Před rokem +2

      Seems you haven't been on Boeing Dreamliner

  • @guillermo_hoyos.
    @guillermo_hoyos. Před 2 lety +1

    Pero el Airbus A-350-1000, ya está operativo en Qatar airlines, y el Boeing B-777-X, no tiene la certificacion de vuelo de la FAA.

  • @krishmenon1321
    @krishmenon1321 Před 2 lety +15

    Once you fly in a 787, especially window seat, you get hooked on to its huge windows!... far bigger than the 350s.

    • @explorelondon3695
      @explorelondon3695 Před 2 lety

      I like the Airbus A340 better than the Boeing 77. Is the better plane, no?. With the big engines, four of them is bigger than the Boeing. Airbus best

    • @6733hbr1
      @6733hbr1 Před 2 lety

      @@explorelondon3695 4 engines burn more fuel than 2. They won't be around for long.

    • @explorelondon3695
      @explorelondon3695 Před 2 lety +2

      @@6733hbr1 Thanks 777, am surprised it took a month for a reply, I was expecting s lot of Airbus Vs Boeing stuff but you are kind enough to offer an explanation instead of an insult like most do on this site. Best wishes and regards🙏.

    • @bakgatfromgb
      @bakgatfromgb Před rokem

      @@6733hbr1 Yes indeed but the 2 engines are nearly twice the size of the 4 engines . So how much more fuel efficient they are in comparison would be very interesting

    • @6733hbr1
      @6733hbr1 Před rokem

      @@bakgatfromgb Just maintaining 4 engines is more expensive than two. The four engines burn much more fuel than two but I don't know the numbers off hand.

  • @oscarhuartamendia6671
    @oscarhuartamendia6671 Před rokem +1

    The Airbus a350-1000 is a magnificent plane, its flight is calm and has a low noise level, good comfort for passengers, technologically very modern. All this has been proven for quite some time where passengers have verified it. The Boeing plane, the 777x, does not have a date to start flying, how can we compare two planes where one of them has not yet traveled any passengers, anywhere. Simple conclusion, the best plane at the moment is the Airbus A350-1000.

  • @PKarri
    @PKarri Před 2 lety +19

    I go for A350 as it is good value for moneyed& fuel efficient. Perhaps they can make small improvements, it will make superior in many aspects among the commercial air crafts.

  • @thana73721
    @thana73721 Před 2 lety +2

    For comfortable seat and less density is 777 due to bigger seat space and less passengers

    • @arielleblond6201
      @arielleblond6201 Před rokem +1

      Don't cry but 737 Max-10 and 777X maybe will never have a commercial's life. Last news are awful!

  • @gordonblues843
    @gordonblues843 Před rokem +4

    A350 shorter and narrower but has higher capacity. I have questions about legroom...

  • @simonkue
    @simonkue Před 2 lety +9

    1:13 A350-1000 Max Cap at 480, you mean for dwarfs right..?

    • @RickinHKG
      @RickinHKG Před 2 lety +1

      A few dubious number comparisons in this video

  • @muhammedareeb9821
    @muhammedareeb9821 Před 2 lety +8

    since when was the a350-1000 able to seat 480 pax? and the much larger 777-9 only 426 in comparison? you've gone nuts!

    • @arielleblond6201
      @arielleblond6201 Před rokem +2

      It all depends on customer's requirements. Maybe with 100% economy class you will achieve 480 passengers.

  • @fal218
    @fal218 Před 2 lety

    Airlines don’t buy aircraft based on numbers only but current fleet type and political relationship and discounts and pilots and engineers type rated.

  • @user-tw7hq4cp4m
    @user-tw7hq4cp4m Před 10 měsíci +1

    350 looks like the winner here.

  • @eduardodaquiljr9637
    @eduardodaquiljr9637 Před 10 měsíci

    777x has a wing air stream blend capability by flexing,wheread a 350 has a fixed wing traditional to some earlier planes.

  • @aseem7w9
    @aseem7w9 Před 2 lety +18

    The top 5 largest A350 customers having 777X on order should tell how just how good the 777X is even with the existence of A350. The A350-1000 also has half the orders of 777X with a negative order book since 2019 whereas Singapore ordered 11 777-9 in 2021.

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety +2

      It's good for it's size but not better than the A350 clearly, it certainly was a better replacement for the two large quadjets the A380 and the B747 from Boeing's perspective though.

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před 2 lety +2

      @@mwat22 777X is better than A350-1000 (which is it's rival) that's certain, can't say it is better than the whole A350 family tho as the A350-900 is of a completely different category i.e medium sized wide body competing with 787-10.
      Also, the *main* purpose of 777X (and A350-1000) is replacing the 800+ 777-300ER of the world, not replacing quads. The 777-9 clearly is the better option for this purpose hence it has twice the orders as A350-1000.
      The 777-300ER was Boeing's 747 successor (was A340-600 from Airbus' side which is almost non existent now due to being terrible) and the 779 and 351 will be the successor of 747's successor lol.

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety +3

      @@aseem7w9 well based on your argument both should now be producing quad jets or designing the next Quads cause as you said the 777 and 350 don't replace the quads 😂😂😂😂😂😂 FOH and with the 777-9 having a shorter range and more fuel burn how is it better? or its better cause you said it and more is always better right?

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před 2 lety +3

      @@mwat22 777-300ER already replaced 95% of quad jets over the past decade in the world that's why I said 777X and A350-1000 won't be replacing quads. Learn to read properly before replying.
      777-9 has the range for every airline route in the world except like 6-7 of them so range is no issue. The 777-8 is there if an airline does want even more range. Having more range isn't always better hence ULR planes never sell a lot, more fuel tanks just add more weight.
      In terms of fuel burn per seat tho, Lufthansa said 350 and 779 are similar so from where did you get that A350 is more efficient? I'd rather trust the word of the 3rd largest A350 user rather than you on how much fuel it burns tbh.

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety +2

      @@aseem7w9 its (777-8 and 777-8) still more expensive than any of the planes in the A350 family and also also learn to read what you type before you send it, whos already operating the 777-9??? and by your own admission that ER only adds weight so how's a lighter A350 burning the same as a heavier older 777-300ER???

  • @tonyt73
    @tonyt73 Před 2 lety +2

    777X Let’s get it baby!

  • @farsadtv8910
    @farsadtv8910 Před 2 lety +8

    I see here a huge misinformation , how come a350-1000 has less width and length than 777x but has 54 more seats ???
    This is absolutely incorrect .
    A3050-1000 has 350-410 passenger capacity .

    • @widget787
      @widget787 Před 2 lety +1

      The Exit Limit of the A350-1000 is 5 seats more than the 777-9 (480 vs 475). But this is because Boeing canceled the pair of Exits over the Wing that the 777-300ER featured. The 300ER has a 550 Seat Exit Limit, so the 777-9 would fit even more. But because No Airline ever seated more than ~420 passengers in their 777-300ER they canceled these Exits as they add to the empty weight of the aircraft and waste space. They added an optional Exit behind door 3 that brings the Exit Limit Up to 475, without These its at around 420 I think.
      Typical 2 class seating is approx 350 for the A350-1000 and approx 380 for the 777-9.

    • @StopMediaFakery
      @StopMediaFakery Před 2 lety

      @@widget787 Interestingly, Frenchbee have the A350-1000 set up as 440 economy and 40 premium for a total of 480.

    • @widget787
      @widget787 Před 2 lety

      @@StopMediaFakery French Bee has a horribly tight 3-4-3 config that no legacy Airline could ever use.

  • @blite2847
    @blite2847 Před 2 lety +1

    Two different airplanes....just like comparing the B787 vs A350. Airlines will figure out which works best for them.

  • @6ixHockeyLife
    @6ixHockeyLife Před 2 lety +6

    Well it's quite simple, the airbus, cost less, can carry up to 480 passengers and can fly further. What else is there to ponder.

  • @fastscpinc.5594
    @fastscpinc.5594 Před 2 lety +1

    Present management is solely pursuing lowest possible cost of production. They have abandoned manufacturing quality and engineering competence.
    Existing airline customers have been unwilling to accept planes build at Boeing’s South Carolina plant due to poor quality of production. So now Boeing is transferring all of its production to this plant. Sales 101 - make the customer happy. Now is that making the customer happy; not at all!
    The lithium batteries on the 787 that caused fires, was an engineering failure beyond belief. My next-door neighbour, high school education, building remote control planes at the time of the 787 fires, knew more about lithium batteries and fire potential than Boeing did! That is truly revealing of Boeing’s engineering incompetence.
    As a retired safety engineer, the reliance on a “known to be unreliable” sensory, is monstrously incompetent. On the 737 Max, the software control system (Maneuvering Characteristics Augmentation System (MCAS)) that worked in the background (hidden from the pilots) depended on the angle of attack sensor on the outside of the plane. This sensory is known to be unreliable. Fundamental safety engineering rules state that such an unreliable sensor should never input to an online controlling software system. As a retired professional engineer, this negligence is not just unprofessional or due to incompetence - it is criminal. People died due to this incomprehensible engineering incompetence. Management was not paying attention; they were off cutting costs, or whatever.

  • @bob38161
    @bob38161 Před rokem

    How does the a350 have a larger seat capacity with smaller dimensions?

    • @markmudgett7579
      @markmudgett7579 Před rokem

      It does not have a larger capacity when comparing apples to apples. The cabin is more than a foot narrower, and the fuselage is shorter. Also, the A350-1K can't fly its advertised range with a full load of cargo and pax.

  • @siyalizwabudaza4652
    @siyalizwabudaza4652 Před 2 lety +8

    So this means 777x carries more fuel than the A350 bt yet fly less range🤔

    • @siyalizwabudaza4652
      @siyalizwabudaza4652 Před 2 lety +3

      @yo yo thanks for the explanation, but I still think the A350 is a beautiful plane and very good in any other way

    • @baadnewz017
      @baadnewz017 Před 2 lety +1

      Don't forget that Boeings are expansive due to their longevity when compared to Airbus. They are traditionally more expensive but last longer and are a better workhorse.

    • @siyalizwabudaza4652
      @siyalizwabudaza4652 Před 2 lety +5

      @@baadnewz017 that goes to Airbus too. The oldest A330 is still flying at the age of 25. Let’s just admit the a350 is a game changer

    • @baadnewz017
      @baadnewz017 Před 2 lety +4

      @@siyalizwabudaza4652 Agree to disagree. The 787 was the Game changer.

    • @siyalizwabudaza4652
      @siyalizwabudaza4652 Před 2 lety +2

      @@baadnewz017 yes 787 brought all of these new technologies and the new airframe light weight. But the A350 took it to the next level. I see news of 787 Extended Range. It still falls below A350-1000. I know the don’t compete

  • @edau69
    @edau69 Před rokem +1

    Boeing 777x has more cargo capacity and its technology follows B787 the Airbus 350 still uses bleed air for engine starts and pressurization not like the B 787 don't know much about the B777x. Have flown on Airbus 350 and B787, prefer the B787. The B787 is primarily an electrical aircraft where it is used for brakes, pressurization, anti icing, engine starts, where the Airbus 350 is still using conventional technology for bleed air and engine starts.

  • @socalbeauty1516
    @socalbeauty1516 Před 2 lety +2

    I like the look of the a350 more

  • @maanavtriestuff
    @maanavtriestuff Před rokem

    Thanks I can now make my airline.

  • @APC-pm2on
    @APC-pm2on Před 2 lety

    Tones?

  • @patrickclose3960
    @patrickclose3960 Před 2 lety +2

    Boeing a boss but the 1000 is a beast.📡😌

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před 2 lety

      The -1000 isn't selling tho

  • @larryweiss7170
    @larryweiss7170 Před 11 měsíci +1

    Of course I, as an American, would like to see the Boeing outsell the airbus. However, If I ran an airline, I would have to choose the more efficient, less costly airbus. what a shame.

  • @Supahemz
    @Supahemz Před 9 měsíci +4

    From my experiences so far of the A350, it's the best aircraft I've flown! So spacious, comfortable, modern and easy to breathe inside. I didn't feel as jet lagged as I normally would. I also love the large windows. The 777X will have a lot to compete with!

    • @themastercorpse
      @themastercorpse Před 8 měsíci +1

      The Boeing 777-9 has 25% larger windows, its new engine is quieter and it is also 11% more efficient than the a350.

  • @9255cris
    @9255cris Před rokem +1

    I flew the A350-900 by Thai Airways BKK-DPS return, this is the best flight ! A350 is a masterpiece of technology, Engines so quiet, absolutly amazing plane ! 2nd is definitively A380 !!!!!

  • @brucebaker3523
    @brucebaker3523 Před 11 měsíci

    I've flown them all and it always comes down to Cabin Crew, Airline seat design and layout. Entertainment and most importantly food and beverage service. Airbus or Boeing isn't really a factor. Airlines choose the lowest bidder for their requirements.

  • @pasodeminick
    @pasodeminick Před 11 měsíci

    Do the homework: how many A350 in all versions have been delivered and how many 777X have been delivered up to date?

  • @keithbloomfield8112
    @keithbloomfield8112 Před 2 lety +2

    What are these "tones" of which you speak?

  • @jcaam8094
    @jcaam8094 Před 2 lety +2

    A 350 is the best aircraft? does that include the peeling paint category?

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety

      The B787 is a better aircraft in your opinion does that include its shoddy workmanship that has it not in production as a result??

    • @jcaam8094
      @jcaam8094 Před 2 lety

      @@mwat22 787 is crap also

    • @herceg6772
      @herceg6772 Před 2 lety

      Even Boeing workers would put their families on B787. Enough said

    • @stayminty2682
      @stayminty2682 Před 2 lety

      If A350 was a bad aircraft than why did the worlds best airlines order it and why did it receive 800 orders
      Plus Boeing also had issues with their 737 max and the 787
      Paint peeling off isn’t as worse as a 737 max

    • @stayminty2682
      @stayminty2682 Před 2 lety

      Plus A350 can fly longer flights than the 787

  • @mursaleenbhatt
    @mursaleenbhatt Před 2 lety +7

    I think airlines would prefer A350 1000 more than 777x because of less fuel burn and more range and more seats

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před 2 lety +3

      A350-1000 seats even less than 777-300, it's no comparison for 777X.

    • @LShaver947
      @LShaver947 Před 2 lety

      @@aseem7w9 agreed, it is still an amazing aircraft though. But Airbus should focus on the -900 to compete with the 787-9 and -10

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety

      BINGO!!, Money is still the bottom line here.

    • @mwat22
      @mwat22 Před 2 lety

      @@aseem7w9 has a poor fuel burn compared to the A350 so that negates it.

    • @aseem7w9
      @aseem7w9 Před 2 lety +2

      @@mwat22 777-300ER first flew like 17 years ago so of course it will have a poorer fuel burn. It's around 10-15% less efficient than A350-1000 in a typical configuration.
      For the 777X, Lufthansa who is among the largest 350 operators said 777-9 and A350 burn a similar amount of fuel per seat so neither the 777x nor the a350-1000 has any fuel burn advantage.
      The extra size with similar efficiency is what's giving 777-9 the advantage hence it has double the orders of A350-1000. Airbus should just focus on their medium sized successful wide body A350-900 instead of bringing another failure to the large wide body market after the A340-600 and A380.

  • @daveescobar1641
    @daveescobar1641 Před rokem +2

    350-1000 hands down. Very smooth. Quiet. Very comfortable!

  • @dennisnowy7319
    @dennisnowy7319 Před rokem +1

    The A350 can go farther and is less expensive for about 70 mil. dollars...this is an answer for a business people.

  • @monnidesmonnides8554
    @monnidesmonnides8554 Před rokem +1

    Obviously this video was put together by Airbus or an Airbus supplier or fan, they are comparing apples with oranges there are more specs or variables than those described in the video. the video make sure that these variables are not reviewed

  • @alastairbarkley6572
    @alastairbarkley6572 Před 2 lety

    What's a "tone"? You mean a TONNE (1000kg) - the metric ton? As opposed to a British Imperial TON (1016kg) or a US Customary TON (907kg)?

    • @alastairbarkley6572
      @alastairbarkley6572 Před 2 lety

      Or is your A350 weight in metric tonnes and your B777x weight in US Customary tons? That could explain the big apparent difference in weights. But, for where it matter - aerospace, military, federal, science & tech, the US stepped mostly into the metric modern world decades ago.

  • @shahidmuhammad3824
    @shahidmuhammad3824 Před rokem +1

    777, I love this bird.

  • @The1983333
    @The1983333 Před 2 lety

    VERY AWSOME VIDEO,,high class work...

  • @jpmtlhead39
    @jpmtlhead39 Před 2 lety +1

    Why more fuel capacity if the range of the 777 is less 3000 kms than the Airbus...??!!!
    I already had the pleasure of flying in both airplanes,and honestly i was more impressed by the Airbus 350.
    On a night flight is so quiet and confortable,realy amazing. And overall the airplane design and ergonomics,in my opinion are superior than the 777.
    But both are Spectacular airplanes.

  • @jimgrif5998
    @jimgrif5998 Před 11 měsíci

    For my money, and I fly a lot, I much prefer 777 vs 350 as they currently are. I was sorely disappointed on a Qatar flight when they changed a 15 hour flight from a 777 to a 350.

  • @justd02ofus
    @justd02ofus Před 5 měsíci

    I have flew all over the world in both of these planes ..Personally id choose the Boeing 777x , I find a better piece of mind when crossing the worlds oceans in a tired and proven company and with the stranger engines in case Ive ever get caught in a down draft while landing.. I was nearly in a crash in a down draft back in 2007 and i can tell you , It takes a lot of power to power out of one landing or crossing a ocean..

  • @bijoylaha7245
    @bijoylaha7245 Před rokem +1

    My favorite a350 airbus plan

  • @rogersyin
    @rogersyin Před rokem +1

    In order to fit a 350-1000 480 seats, It must be a 3-4-3 configuration. It must be extremely uncomfortable. Such configuration is already bad enough on the 777s ,and the 777 has wider cabin., would you fly these high density 350s 16100 KM?

  • @nicholasngo5428
    @nicholasngo5428 Před 2 lety

    But the 777 to the A350 if I fly from Guangzhou to Oslo Norway non-stop!

  • @Cueseca
    @Cueseca Před 4 měsíci

    Well for one the A350-1000 is available while the 777x is stuck in safety certification hell.

  • @tomlathrop4094
    @tomlathrop4094 Před 2 lety

    tones?