35 years for me. Today is my first time ever seeing an engine with this type of starter. I've seen 6V, 12V, 24V, pup engines and air starters. But never seen a spring starter before. Nothing in the red seal curriculum and justifiably so because for the most part, these don't exist. Maybe military applications... dunno - worked on lots of coast guard engines and LAV's none had this.
@@SuperDirk1965 I attended Bates Technical College for Diesel and Heavy Equipment Repair in Tacoma, WA, USA. I went for 2 years. I passed at the top of my class. Seen plenty of air starters and of course direct and gear reduction electric starters and pony motors. The course covered marine, generator, construction, and road. It covered gasoline, propane, natural gas, and of course diesel. I’ve worked for a Caterpillar dealer, a school district, and on multiple marine cargo termnials. I’ve never seen one of those starters. So maybe it was basic in your program but it wasn’t covered in mine. 🤷♂️ I’m not sure what else to tell you.
This is in my opinion a very good idea that should be adapted to 4x4s that do rough country trecking where there are no way to start the engine if the batteries run flat due to using it to run night camp lights. 🙂👍
Yeah it seems like a clever emergency device. Like compression/push start but for when you can't get it going fast enough this would be the bees knees.
Exactly what im here for. Researching for that exact purpose of incorporating it to my expedition vehicle. I know a manual transmission works too but moving the rig isnt always an option by yourself in the boonies.
I saw and worked on these diesel engines on hd41 bulldozer and many other machinery in nort pole during the 70. Some had air startors. .some spring startors and some électric startors. It all depend of the startor location . Whent the temperatures were minus 30, the spring startor were very efficient.
honestly i want one of these as a back up starter for my truck. just run an extrention for the crank through the inner fender wall like a lowering crank for a spare tire does with the rear bumper, and make the starter lever a hole with a hex key slot. all you'd need would be a tire iron to crank it, and a special rod with a 90 degree turn and a hex key at the end, like an awning pull rod. not hard to come by. then, never worry about starting a truck if the battery goes dead ever again.
I've seen pneumatic accumulators on old USCG cutters. As I recall it took hours to pump enough pressure to turn over a 12 cylinder engine, but it was better than nothing if your electrical power was out.
@@rickyjohnson4717 Oh man, I remember those. Endless cranking hoping this time will be the one. We had a rope starter, which seemed more straightforward to me.
We had one, Kirby-Lawson was the make if I remember correctly back in the 60s /70s Australia and the motor was a mustard type yellow. You'd start winding with one hand but soon be using both as the spring loaded up. The handle was hinged, unfold to extend to wind up and fold it before starting.
One of the first basics on using a combination spanner ( Wrench in the US )..... Only use the open end when you cannot get the ring end on...... That means try the ring end first, but at least he didn't use mole grips I suppose.
I wonder how long one of these suckers lasts. I could see using it as a regular starter if it had a gear mechanism to wind the spring slowly as the engine ran until it reached tension. That might make it too complex/expensive compared to a regular electric starter. Not sure if these are only used for massive diesel engines.
Ah, but you would have missed the fact that this engineer uses an adjustable spanner to correctly torque his attachments. Also note that you need to rev up cold engines just after start to keep them healthy.
That is AWESOME! I was going to go with an air starter for my project, but I may have to buy one of your spring starters instead! It may not sound as cool as an air starter, but it would eliminate the need for an air tank, lines, and valves. I can't believe that I've never seen these before :)
I found like 2 or 3 reman air staters I'll be putting them on FB Market Place on 05/14/ 20 in Bryan Tx. I'll price them at $500 or Best Offer if your still looking for one.
Remember these from my days at sea. Trying to start a Lister emergency fire pump most Sunday afternoons. I only wish it had been as easy to start the cold damp Lister as this engine was😀. Great when it worked, I was always grateful that I never had to use the Emergency fire pump for real as I was never confident it was going to start. Still it was a safer way to start the engine than the starting handle in the end of the crankshaft that other small Listers had.
Great idea not far removed from on some WW2 aircraft that were designed to be started with no ground equipment when (fragile) aviation batteries were flat
It's a great idea but what about cold starts or engines that don't fire off that quickly? Or what if you have to replace the fuel filters or injectors and have to spin it over a good bit to get the fuel system primed?
The engine can be barred over with the starter (the mechanic showed that feature in the video) Cold starts: you may end up with several attempts, but that can be quickly done.
These are ideal for remote travellers that may have no back up or occasional use machinery. Awesome. Quiet a change to the old Inertia starters on Tanks and trucks
I'm thinking to myself does this mean we could replace modern batteries with this manual starter? have the electronics run off the alternator while the engine is running? that would be interesting to keep in mind
Dont be fooled. I run my jeep all the time without a battery. Bump start because its a manual and drive it fine. Now, you idiots that bought cars/trucks with too much electronics (read-amenities) or auto transmissions (read- lazy or ignorant) deserve the tow bill.😂
Cold damp starts can be a nightmare. In my experience the starter turns the engine less than a full turn if the engine fires first time it is a great system, but when it fails to start you have to start over again. Most small engines I came across with this system had a “favourite” position to start from and if you were lucky some had painted a mark on the flywheel to give the best chance of starting.
The Spitfire off ww2 had that type of starter, great if it fired on the first try, if not wind the flywheel up again. It took 2 men to get it up to speed
Yes I've worked with Hydro starters on GM 92 series diesels, they have a gear pump on the engine that charges the reservoir while the engine is running. As well as a hand operated pump to charge the reservoir if it loses pressure. Often used in flammable atmospheres like oil rigs or gas fields.
Used these many years ago to start Lister HR3`s and 4`s. They were absolutely useless for the job intended. The type I used had a tendency to jam in the primed position. The amount that had to be sent back to the manufacturers for repair. I believe the starter had to be cast into concrete to take the spring force, this may have been untrue and put out there by the starter manufacturer. To bleed the diesel system there was a lever position that allowed the starter to turn and not prime. After many handle rotations sometimes it would work other times not. I hope the technology has got better.
@CG: not likely, a thief isn't going to take the time to crank one of these things up. And if the engine is cold, it could possibly take multiple attempts.
This starter only works on an engine like the 671 or simmilar. Detroits that are in good condition are famously easy to start and they are two stroke. Show one of these starters working on a 4 stroke diesel.
@@tandemwings4733 From you´r comment i assumed that yuo thougt the lube was in the fuel, like a gasoline twostorke. "There's oil everywhere in it. Nothing's dry" I ment no offense, just trying to be informative.
It wouldn't be much use to me in a -27C frost. The beauty of an electric starter then is you can wind for up to 10 seconds, stop, then begin again. You'd have to rewind this after 2-3 seconds of use, it would be a complete pain in the backside. In summer, it looks like a funky idea.
I’m been a diesel mechanic for 20 years I’ve never seen that. Bloody brilliant!
I wonder where you went to school learning how to be a mechanic. This is basic stuff in any teaching programme.
@@SuperDirk1965
He meant it in a different way. He meant, he hadn't seen one of these types.
@@cptthumper6281 He said he's been a mechanic for twenty years, not since yesterday
35 years for me. Today is my first time ever seeing an engine with this type of starter. I've seen 6V, 12V, 24V, pup engines and air starters. But never seen a spring starter before. Nothing in the red seal curriculum and justifiably so because for the most part, these don't exist. Maybe military applications... dunno - worked on lots of coast guard engines and LAV's none had this.
@@SuperDirk1965 I attended Bates Technical College for Diesel and Heavy Equipment Repair in Tacoma, WA, USA. I went for 2 years. I passed at the top of my class. Seen plenty of air starters and of course direct and gear reduction electric starters and pony motors. The course covered marine, generator, construction, and road. It covered gasoline, propane, natural gas, and of course diesel.
I’ve worked for a Caterpillar dealer, a school district, and on multiple marine cargo termnials.
I’ve never seen one of those starters. So maybe it was basic in your program but it wasn’t covered in mine. 🤷♂️ I’m not sure what else to tell you.
This is in my opinion a very good idea that should be adapted to 4x4s that do rough country trecking where there are no way to start the engine if the batteries run flat due to using it to run night camp lights. 🙂👍
Yeah it seems like a clever emergency device. Like compression/push start but for when you can't get it going fast enough this would be the bees knees.
Exactly what im here for. Researching for that exact purpose of incorporating it to my expedition vehicle. I know a manual transmission works too but moving the rig isnt always an option by yourself in the boonies.
I saw and worked on these diesel engines on hd41 bulldozer and many other machinery in nort pole during the 70. Some had air startors. .some spring startors and some électric startors. It all depend of the startor location . Whent the temperatures were minus 30, the spring startor were very efficient.
Love that they used a detroit
that,s a 671 right?
@@migueldesousasantana61k7 A very tired 6-71 yes.
honestly i want one of these as a back up starter for my truck. just run an extrention for the crank through the inner fender wall like a lowering crank for a spare tire does with the rear bumper, and make the starter lever a hole with a hex key slot. all you'd need would be a tire iron to crank it, and a special rod with a 90 degree turn and a hex key at the end, like an awning pull rod. not hard to come by. then, never worry about starting a truck if the battery goes dead ever again.
Same, even the starter can blow, so having this would be bulletproof! :)
This is used on Marine emergency generators as a secondary means of start in case the Battery fails . Many ships have this type .
I've seen pneumatic accumulators on old USCG cutters. As I recall it took hours to pump enough pressure to turn over a 12 cylinder engine, but it was better than nothing if your electrical power was out.
Bigger version of the starters they had on lawn mowers when I was a kid.
I remember the hand crank on top of the motor you had to wind, them turn a knot on the side. Usually had to do it multiple times.
@@rickyjohnson4717 Oh man, I remember those. Endless cranking hoping this time will be the one. We had a rope starter, which seemed more straightforward to me.
We had one, Kirby-Lawson was the make if I remember correctly back in the 60s /70s Australia and the motor was a mustard type yellow. You'd start winding with one hand but soon be using both as the spring loaded up. The handle was hinged, unfold to extend to wind up and fold it before starting.
One of the first basics on using a combination spanner ( Wrench in the US )..... Only use the open end when you cannot get the ring end on...... That means try the ring end first, but at least he didn't use mole grips I suppose.
It doesn't really matter for minor jobs like this.
Nice to have had one of those on cold mornings cranking over the old lister by hand
This thing is about to get algorithm'd
Almost there! :)
This is some Leonardo Da Vinci level tech here, still being used in modern day, so cool.
I wonder how long one of these suckers lasts. I could see using it as a regular starter if it had a gear mechanism to wind the spring slowly as the engine ran until it reached tension. That might make it too complex/expensive compared to a regular electric starter. Not sure if these are only used for massive diesel engines.
May I recommend a ratchet,extension and socket
They used to make something called a speed wrench.
I love the inertia starters even better..is more of a workout and start a tank engine or an airplane engine with those wow sound effects!
I could have done without 2 minutes of watching you attach it.
Ah, but you would have missed the fact that this engineer uses an adjustable spanner to correctly torque his attachments. Also note that you need to rev up cold engines just after start to keep them healthy.
I could have done without you bitching...
Could have done without seeing this idiotic comment.
That is AWESOME! I was going to go with an air starter for my project, but I may have to buy one of your spring starters instead! It may not sound as cool as an air starter, but it would eliminate the need for an air tank, lines, and valves. I can't believe that I've never seen these before :)
I found like 2 or 3 reman air staters I'll be putting them on FB Market Place on 05/14/ 20 in Bryan Tx. I'll price them at $500 or Best Offer if your still looking for one.
Is it in a vehicle? Might be embarrassing if you ever stall the engine in traffic 😂
@@deezelfairy so don't stall the vehicle.
Remember these from my days at sea. Trying to start a Lister emergency fire pump most Sunday afternoons. I only wish it had been as easy to start the cold damp Lister as this engine was😀. Great when it worked, I was always grateful that I never had to use the Emergency fire pump for real as I was never confident it was going to start. Still it was a safer way to start the engine than the starting handle in the end of the crankshaft that other small Listers had.
What good is it other then a stationary engine? Is that the same principle as to what they used to use on old aircraft.
Thank you for the thorough demonstration.
Great idea not far removed from on some WW2 aircraft that were designed to be started with no ground equipment when (fragile) aviation batteries were flat
It's a great idea but what about cold starts or engines that don't fire off that quickly? Or what if you have to replace the fuel filters or injectors and have to spin it over a good bit to get the fuel system primed?
I'm guessing this is an emergency backup or something.
The engine can be barred over with the starter (the mechanic showed that feature in the video)
Cold starts: you may end up with several attempts, but that can be quickly done.
Don't mind me, I'm just winding up my 2 stroke.
Wow 😳😳😲😲 wonderful 👍👍 tech idea 💡💡💡💡💡 brother
Its my first time knowledge ..Good information video
These are ideal for remote travellers that may have no back up or occasional use machinery. Awesome. Quiet a change to the old Inertia starters on Tanks and trucks
I'd take an inertia starter if I could find one that would work on my rig.
Hell, I'd use a Coffman starter if I could make it work on my truck.
I'm thinking to myself
does this mean we could replace modern batteries with this manual starter?
have the electronics run off the alternator while the engine is running?
that would be interesting to keep in mind
No. Without batteries the alternator will not last.
Dont be fooled. I run my jeep all the time without a battery. Bump start because its a manual and drive it fine.
Now, you idiots that bought cars/trucks with too much electronics (read-amenities) or auto transmissions (read- lazy or ignorant) deserve the tow bill.😂
That's the coolest thing I've seen in a while
Интересно, что там за конструкция? Пружина?
A four inline 53 or a 71?
where can you buy such a starter and for how much?
Same type reduction configuration as used in the Lewmar Mamba autopilot.
Thanks bro it was useful
How many seconds does it crank? I wonder about cold start conditions? 🤔
I’ve had engines with those things on and you barely get one turn of the engine . If you have to wind it over any your stuffed
Cold damp starts can be a nightmare. In my experience the starter turns the engine less than a full turn if the engine fires first time it is a great system, but when it fails to start you have to start over again. Most small engines I came across with this system had a “favourite” position to start from and if you were lucky some had painted a mark on the flywheel to give the best chance of starting.
Where we can buy it?
Es muy bueno x que no necesita electridad, segun lo q estoy viendo. Gracias, muy budn futuro.
Thats genius level.
Some old tanks and trucks had inertia start which I believe was like flywheel stored power
The Spitfire off ww2 had that type of starter, great if it fired on the first try, if not wind the flywheel up again. It took 2 men to get it up to speed
Сколько ориентировочно стоит такой стартер?
In s,florida they had hyraulic starters on the pumps for the sugarcane fields.engine were usualy 671 jimmies!!
Yes I've worked with Hydro starters on GM 92 series diesels, they have a gear pump on the engine that charges the reservoir while the engine is running. As well as a hand operated pump to charge the reservoir if it loses pressure. Often used in flammable atmospheres like oil rigs or gas fields.
Do you have one for a fordson dexta
Starters on trucks aren't generally accessible like that one but great idea.
Used these many years ago to start Lister HR3`s and 4`s. They were absolutely useless for the job intended. The type I used had a tendency to jam in the primed position. The amount that had to be sent back to the manufacturers for repair. I believe the starter had to be cast into concrete to take the spring force, this may have been untrue and put out there by the starter manufacturer.
To bleed the diesel system there was a lever position that allowed the starter to turn and not prime. After many handle rotations sometimes it would work other times not.
I hope the technology has got better.
Very nice, but what is the application today? electric starter much cheaper and easier to operate. I could see this is a backup.
where can i buy this spring starter?
thanks for the demo Sir !
You should make one that reloads the spring inside before you shut it off to save time for next start
I could be wrong but I think long term storage of a loaded spring isn't a good idea. It weakens the spring.
A cold day with an ether baby motor and you wont have a burnt out starter. Youd have a bum arm
Где можно купить?
Today, every engine have need two starters(one battery starter & second spring starter) thanks
Didn't show the actual lever position before the engine started. There two actions to make to start the engine which are never shown in detail.
Knowing these things exist takes the magic out of other engine starts. Are these excessively expensive or something?
What about cold start
My thoughts exactly. I’ve watched a number of vids regarding this type of starter and I would bet that almost all of them were warm starts.
Для хорошо настроенного двигателя.
very cool
Very Good!..
For people with a strong back and a dislike of batteries, lol! That's awesome though. I wonder how many start cycles they last?
this is safe because air compressor make pressure can be cooldown by thermo then no pressure remain on air starter
Starter, Battery, charging system and alternators are getting out.
You need a spring wrench to run them bolts in.
Imagine if all cars started like this cars would be stolen all the time 😆✌
Ignition switch has to be on to start it
@CG: not likely, a thief isn't going to take the time to crank one of these things up. And if the engine is cold, it could possibly take multiple attempts.
Bravo , Here we go 👌👍🛠🔩🌷
I watch it in CZcams videos, I can't imagine what is this, how I get it for my #ROUSTON 6YDX ENGINE
Woow very nice
Yep can we say “lawn boy “ ?
Amazing
Excellent
nice detroit
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Вот бы мне такой стартер на трактор т 25 и на мтз
Зимой заипешься крутить )))
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Зачем к концу видео на станине появился аккумулятор?
Это он со своей машины снял,чтоб не нарезали,пока он мясорубку крутит.
Круто изобрели велосипед!
and this device could also be powered by a battery-powered screwdriver!
me encanta muy practico
Nice
I want one !
I bet using a cordless drill would make short work of that.
Nice,!!!
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Hi IPU Can they be made to fit a cat D47U dozer
Половину ролика закручивает три болта -вот это круто!
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Got one that can start a 20 cylinder 710? 😉
They do . You just have to crank it for two hours to get it ready😆🙈
@@assassinlexx1993 😂😂😂😂
Ww2 zero had this type of wind up starter
This starter only works on an engine like the 671 or simmilar. Detroits that are in good condition are famously easy to start and they are two stroke. Show one of these starters working on a 4 stroke diesel.
Are these made for 2-71 detroit's?
2х тактный, насос-форсунка.😎🤣💪✌
Родственник нашего Яаз-204
кароч, мотайте на 4.00
Rất quý kĩ thụât cơ bản cho mọi ngừơi.
Then off for a kipper tie.
Отличная идея, но неудачное видео.
How could I own it......
Что камеру от маховика отвели???
Why not try it on a very cold engine, instead of one that was just turned off.
With a healthy GM it wouldn't matter much, the one in the video was very tired.
Tiger Tank starter -1943
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Umm nice rev the nuts off the motor before the oil pressure is up top class fitter !
It'll cope. There's oil everywhere in it. Nothing's dry, and it's a 2 stroke, so it's going that hard anyway.
@@tandemwings4733 2 stroke diesels are lubed by pressure, has cam and valves, just like a 4 stroke.
2 strokes sounds like they are revving to the moon and back.
@@thomaskarlstrom4815 You're very smart, I can tell. Why do you feel the need to explain something so blatantly obvious?
@@tandemwings4733 From you´r comment i assumed that yuo thougt the lube was in the fuel, like a gasoline twostorke. "There's oil everywhere in it. Nothing's dry" I ment no offense, just trying to be informative.
It wouldn't be much use to me in a -27C frost. The beauty of an electric starter then is you can wind for up to 10 seconds, stop, then begin again. You'd have to rewind this after 2-3 seconds of use, it would be a complete pain in the backside.
In summer, it looks like a funky idea.
Whoa
Damned good thing thats not on a grnerator that needed to start yesterday
Motor bozuk çalışıyor enjektörpompaları elden geçirin
What's with the sirens?
Is this guy in a nuclear power plant during a meltdown??
On a proper engine too!!
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