Why Samsung TV Dominates Without Dolby Vision: Boss Moves!
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0:00 Samsung's Unique Leadership
2:50 How Samsung TV Became No. 1
8:42 Tesla Style Authoritarianism: Effective!
9:54 No Dolby Vision on Samsung TVs because... - VÄda a technologie
I work at a semiconductor capital equipment company that sells to Samsung.
I can tell you this idea of going out and making their own thing (HDR10+) absolutely lines up with how they treat us too. They've tried to reverse engineer our products, and even create a whole department to try to recreate the complex machines we sell them.
As far as I can tell, as with HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, their efforts to recreate our products have failed (so far).
They do not like paying people for what they think they can do themselves. đ€·
There is parts of Dolby Dynamic Metadata they have had NDA's signed for.
Qualcomm?
their TV's don't need DV because they are super bright
@@dariomladenovski7047 You my sir, do not fully understand HDR and what color graders are sitting in front of when they grade in HDR.
@@TheCrucialQ and you my friend are falling for marketing, brightness is much more important for HDR than Dolby Vision
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YES I pre-ordered but I'm a TV reviewer that's my job!
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These kind of videos are the reason i love this channel
I may refer to vincent for reviews
But in keeping up with TV tech and news
Nobody does it better than you
I have been a follower for almost 2 yrs and you helped through many TV terminology, Upcoming Tech or the trends going forwards
Thank you
Wow, what a story and now makes sense why my Samsung phone supports HDR 10 PLUS and why that was such a big deal to technology. Very informative video without being too techy
I have both TVâs in my house. Dolby vision makes zero perceivable difference.
Thank you!
Uh Netflix is 95% of movie watching. This is dumb
â@@doriangray2347lmao you think you have to have DV to watch Netflix? Lol!!!!
It does make a difference half of the time its better, half of the time it's worse. Until DV comes as an easy on/off toggle it isn't a must have.
@@lancealex382 lol no....just no
The group behind DV must really did something to put Samsung off. As Samsung TVs and soundbars even support Dolby Atmos.
Thats just Samsung being Samsung, they pushed Edge Lit TVs in 2016, Sony as well when Dolby made it very clear that HDR is beat suited with Full Array Local Dimming.
Hmmm
I think like most multinational Corporations, Samsung's decision is based on their bean counters tell them that their unit costs will be lower without DV and their marketing group is telling them they will not lose enough sales to negate that drop in unit costs. In short, whatever drives the bottom line and puts more money in the pockets of shareholders. Note that the consumer, you know their target market, doesn't factor into the equation at all...To be fair, this business approach is hardly unique to Samsung.
Price rules over all else for most people. Personally I avoid Samsung because they don't have Dolby Vision among other features.
The Samsung LEDs here are even more expensive than LG's OLEDs! đ€Łđ€Ł
Dolby Vision is the most over rated thing of all time. And in all honesty, when you have the same movie in HDR10+ and Dolby Vision (there aren't that many examples of movies that have both but..) HDR10+ looks better IMO.
@@jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686 actual side by side tests seem to contradict this.
@@R6ex people still hanging on a old technology so called LED which is just LCD but paying much more for oled đ€
@@wblebon LCD still has advantages over OLED in certain areas.
it's gonna come down to content that is readily available for the mass market and unfortunately, I think Dolby Vision wins out.
Of course, they do and that's largely due to the fact that Hollywood has now pretty much made its decision and thrown its support behind Dolby Vision. Every new major film release to come out from this port forward will likely be supporting both Dolby Vision and Dolby Atmos for surround sound. If you don't have systems to support those formats for HDR and surround, you're going to be missing out on at least a good part of what that film has to offer. Sorry there, Samsung. It looks like you just bet on the wrong horse.
â@michaelbeckerman7532 lol pretty sure their sales prove otherwise
The qn900a is at 5k same as the new qn90b at 85â do you recommend it over the qn90b new 2022? Or go 8k 2021. You thoughts. Thanks
Why purchase the QN90B when the QN95B is coming to the US?
@@xXRaffleXx price ;)
Iâve been very happy with my QN85a. I understand itâs not the best tv out there but I paid $900 for it with my employee discount and it blows away the Vizio OLED it replaced which was very short lived.
when did you buy QN85a?
@@shraylata5392 About three months ago.
damn dude $900 is like flea market prices for TVs
@@derek400004 paid âŹ900 for the QN95A đ (sold my CX)
So I"m more of a gamer. I 've been researching this because I liked ths s95b enough to want it for my monitor. If HDR10+ becomes prevalent in games, with good showing in movies as well, then its the option for me. Especially if its always available thru streaming. Although I'd love to experience all movies thru 4k Blu Ray etc, the reality is, it requires alot of investment and upkeep. I have a ton of regular DVD and even some regular Blu Ray that I have to keep around or get rid of and rebuy higher formats.
If they own the format, they can price it low enough that developers will just use HDR10+ instead. They can continue to tune the looks of the format to compete with Dolby Vision.
I'm very curious if they have cleaned up the numerous technical issues with the Q900-A's 8K TV in the follow up Q900-B as there was a lot wrong with it that needed fixing.
Was never really any technical issues, just soo expensive when its twice the price but not twice as good as the QN800A. All it has is twice the brightness (4000 nits), no bezel and its 1cm thinner⊠not something people will pay double for.
dear sir, it seems to me you know a thing or two about Samsung tv's, i want to buy the Samsung Q77A from 2021, its in my budget range, my question is: is it a good and reliable tv?
Hi Stop the FOMO, i can buy a second hand(half a year old) LG oled B1 right now with a wallmount for about $725 USD. i like this device because it has HDMI 2.1. Is this a good deal or are there any devices i can buy new wich are just as good? I hope you see this and can respond, cheers for the great videos!
I love Samsung TV, The only improvement for me More than Dolby vision is that the TV's come with a Bunch of Apps with no options for uninstall. They should consider to offer More space and Ram đ if they are making money with all of this App pre install in the TV software.
Hmmmm
The best improvement ALL the TV manufacturers could possibly make to improve the end user experience IS TO ALLOW US TO SHUT STOP THEM SHOVING THEIR ADVERTISING DOWN OUR THROATS!!!!
The only grip i have with Samsung is their laughable HGIG mode which doesn't disable their tone mapping. It makes HDR Calibration in the PS5 menu a nightmare.
there are reviews on the TCL's and Hisense and they have issues with color gradients. for example, a picture of different gradient of dark cherries came out perfect on a QN90B, but not on the TCL75R646 where it just blended everything into one color. so even though the cheaper brands come with dolby vision, i dont think the quality is really there.
Well, keep in mind here that just because a TV supports a certain HDR format at the input, that says nothing at all about how well the actual panel/display can present that information too you. Some TVs out in the market will support various HDR formats on their inputs but have no actual ability at all to show you that HDR's colors on their panel. The old saying really is true in the TV space: You get what you pay for! (This is why so many people just stick with Sony no matter what with each new TV they buy. That's because they know that when they buy a Sony, not only are they getting every bit of what they paid for, they are also getting the very best display capability available in the marketplace at that time.)
Fomo I been asking on your videos what's the best budget tv I been looking at u7g what do you think
Layman purchasing has little to do with Dolby Vision, HDR10+, and other screen technologies; it is more about TVs at a reasonable price; if it is too expensive, people will avoid purchasing regardless of how fantastic the screen technology is. At the end of the day, most individuals watch low-quality streaming and broadcasts from their home country's local channels. Many people do not have OTT streaming accounts, and many have sluggish Internet connections. Samsung appears to be able to meet these purchasing requirements in any country.
It is worth noting that many people still do not purchase a home entertainment system!
I was expecting there to be a discussion on is Dolby Vision not being in Samsung matters by the title. Iâm disappointed it was left out because thats a big complaint by some with the S95B.
Thanks. I enjoy these. Like your analysis of why marantz, et al were bought up by the medical company. Good stuff. Smart
Kudos to Samsung for continuing to push LCD tech to its absolute limit. The QN85B and QN90B look absolutely amazing in side-by-side comparisons with OLED. Now that Sony TVs support VRR, I'm going to wait and see how the X90K and X95K perform but I will most likely be buying a 55 inch QN90B this year.
The DSE and Banding is still there be aware
@@NexGenTek I'm 3 for 3 on both with my last 3 TV's on those (Q80R, Q90T, QN90A). I've had 4 TV's overall as I used to have a Samsung KS8000 so idk if I'm lucky or what but I feel like DSE and banding is somewhat rare based off me and my friends Samsung QLED sets. Idk
@@jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686 You just might not be sensitive to it. You need to perform the test sometimes to see it. But it's there.
@@NexGenTek Oh trust me I've ran the tests. I guess I've just got good panels. On the other hand, I do think people are wayyy too sensitive towards it, generally speaking.
@@jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686 I hear you man but it in almost every display not many are sensitive to it and no one wants to say they have it i get it but I'm extremely sensitive to it but that's just me so I tell everyone to be aware.
Good discussion video FOMO, I think that Samsung's tone-mapping is one of the best if not the best in the business it can preserve highlights from up to 4,000 nits and still look really good while doing it thanks to their high brightness TVs so I think Dolby Vision wouldn't benefit them as much anyway its just a name they could slap on to sell more TVs but really how much HDR 10 vs Dolby Vision shows Dolby Vision being that much better?
Also HDR 10+ is far from dead its still in its infancy more streaming services are starting to pick it up and now its an open source for HDR game development for whoever wants to use it, its not like HD DVD vs Blu Ray where only one can exist both can co-exist and both probably will as many TVs have support for both, hopefully all TVs will have support for both in the future as both Dolby Vision and HDR 10+ keep improving their methods.
How can you say that about Dolby, when they funded the development of HDR. They made the push to the film execs and Directors to bring the tech to thearters and home.
You obviously don't read much about the tech involved, imply that just slapped there name on tech they developed.
@@TheCrucialQ You misunderstood what I said I guess, I know how DV works, I know DVâs history as well, and Iâm not bashing Dolby. I just donât think it would be that much of a difference maker for Samsung on their TVs in terms of HDR presentation. It would probably be a good business move though as it will help sell their TVs to those who were saying âI wonât buy a Samsung unless it has DVâ which is what I meant by it being just another name they could slap on. No disrespect intended towards Dolby.
@@TechWithKG For anyone that is aware of HDR tech, wouldn't view it as a name "Slapped On". You know, that the companies that supported DV since 2015, LG and Vizio are technically ahead of Sony and Panasonic in its DV implementation.
If Samsung were to add support tomorrow just adding a supporting chipset isn't enough.
@@TheCrucialQ Not a popular opinion, but DoVi would only help Samsung. There is an extra layer of color to DoVi imo. It also seems to always be better at maintaining detail in specular highlights too. Noticeably better control and responsiveness of the FALD on sets too, vs HDR10/HDR10+. At least from my experience with TCLâs, Vizioâs, LGâs, and Sonyâs. (Sony still typically is a little off/behind) If Samsung ever adopted, it would probably start out very rocky, since Samsung is so far behind. But I feel they really should. If they want my money at least. Unless Samsung is really going to keep this âwarâ with Dolby going forever, which seems like what theyâre doing. And itâs kinda dumb to me lol. But hey..who am I. Just some yokelâŠ
Who actually has a 4K Blu-Ray player ? I don't think I even touched a 1080p Blu-Ray in more than 10 years with all the streaming services these days.
FOMO, I'm somewhat confused. I watched your video on the flagship Duel between samsung QN90A & sonys X95J & you stated that the X95J took over the flagship leader spot & edged out the QN90A. I then went & bought a X95J & then I seen another video of yours after saying the X95J was out of the running for best TV because it's the wrong technology at the wrong time & I was dissapointed hearing you say that after saying they took over First place. Could you at all alebrate on this because I'm so very curious.
I'm also in the process of buying a second TV & stuck between the samsung 55in QN85A or the sony 65in X90J at the same price. Since I have the X95J I was thinking of getting the QN85A to have a Qled from samsung that's still great at competing with the QN90A even tho it has the less desirable panel it still performs great & I think has the Edge over the X90J. I would also apericate a thought on this please. I wanna make the best choice I can because I plan on using both till they Die. Thank you
You're dumb if you don't pick the Sony over that Samsung. QN90 overated
@@damontroch4765 why would anyone pick OLED over QLED for a bright room?
I mean I would 100% buy the QD-OLED Samsung right now no questions asked if it had Dolby Vision. As it stands right now I am gravitating towards the Sony version.
So... Kudos to Samsung if they end up matching or exceeding Sony, but I imagine if they accomplish that we'll end up paying the most for Samsung and the same price for Sony.
I wish they had dv, I watched dv disc the other night and it's leaps and bounds better than standard hdr, and more movies including streaming are using it
It's a dumb move on their part.
@@carlmclemore6104 yeah surely it would only add a small fee to every tv set, I mean they are selling equivalent sized Sony's LEDs for the same price or less with DV
Bluray DV can have quite a bit of difference to standard HDR. Most of the time its a slight upgrade, sometimes its on a whole other level.
DV is not leaps and bound better on capable TVs and that's the problem DV vs HDR10. It varies from TV to TV. On some TVs they are virtually identical on others there can be a noticeable difference. Usually DV benefits TVs that cannot properly tone map HDR due to limited NITs(cheap LCDs/many OLEDS). This isn't going to be a problem on TVs that can hit 1500+Nits because basically there's not much to tone map. They can just follow the eotf curve and be done with it. That being said it would be nice if they included DV just for compatibility sake but I wouldn't expect DV to make a qn90b(for example) look any better.
Streaming HDR is absolute trash.
I love Samsung Porducts and they make great tvs to I have a Samsung 4k tv and I love it this is great news about Samsung
Did you see Samsung said there new 4k wd oled is going to use 8k upscaling on a 4k tv. Idk how thats possible since its not 8k. Probably juat the power of the 8k processor not necessarily 8k upscaling as it cant. That's pretty cool imo can't wait to see how it fairs. But for me Samsung and Sony have been the best with processing for a while now tbh lol. Samsung is way way better then some people realize with processing!
Lol where did you read that? You can't upscale 4K to 8K without having the extra pixels on the screen
@@NexGenTek exactly what I Said but that's there narrative they are stating they are using an 8k processor that upscale to 8k in there 4k tv. Probably meaning it's very powerful that's all not that it's literally going to be 8k lol. Was just stating that is the processor that they are using. It's not an 8k tv so it can't physically do 8k of course. But then again upscaled 8k isn't really 8k either lol.
@@reviewforthetube6485 Upscaling to 8K is definitely higher than 4K but you have to have the extra pixels. But it won't even be able to do that so I'm asking where did you see this at.
@@NexGenTek it's known its using the same exact neural quantom ai 8k processor found in there 8k displays as stated by Samsung at the events and in articles. Aslo I wasn't stating its possible to actually do 8k as it's not an 8k tv. They stated it as it will use there 8k processor and 8k upscaling on there 4k tv. Could of been worded wrong but that's how they put it. What I think they meant is a processor that's powerful enough to do 8k as it's what they use lol
@@NexGenTek I probably should of just worded it as I wonder how good there processor will work in the 4k tv since it's the same one. That's all
Actually, what happened between Dolby and Samsung is precisely what gives rise to innovation đ I'm all for it, though most streaming services only offer normal hdr10 OR Dolby Vision, not HDR10+. Thus, the consumers, us, are temporarily getting shafted đ
Do u have a review of the QN95b?
Sony A95k was best tv last year. Dolby over 60 billion colors vs HDR10+ under 1.5 billion colors make a ton of difference. Samsung more populer because price. But Sony still #1 in premium tv.
Liked this vid Fomo. Its the main reason Im steering a little away from Samsung....you spend 3 grand you expect to be future proofed right?
Is Dolby Vision essential?
That is old way thinking to pay a lot for a tech product that will be antiquated in 5 years time, new way thinking is you get the newest tech product for the lowest cost and change it every 5 years which is better for the consumer and the manufacturers ! ...LoL
i seen this short video of hisense chip there going to be using for their 2022 models it was pretty obscure video , but the chip was very poor but they say it upscales to 8k im surprised the chips they put in their would ever be able to do that, becuase were talking 8k picture and there using first gen ddr ram in their processors.
great video
I really don't think there is that much difference between Dolby Vision and HDR. Its just new tech that got over hyped IMHO.
When you see them side by side, you can see how much better Dolby Vision is.
I found this info about HDR 10+ and it was as I thought it is a HDMI 2.1 has HDR 10+ standard, so better support for HDR 10+ thus better overall user adoption of HDR 10+. Open Standards like AMD Freesync or VRR is also a great standard for companies and also us end users. In the end it is the matter of implementation and support for these features.
Hdr 10+ is Samsung proprietary and it has a licensing fee
Pixel response and overall input lag is just so much better on OLED. If you donât care about faking, qled all the way. Itâs bright and looks nice.
Reputation, perceived value and the best dynamic mode in the LED space -
Kudos for creating qdoled though and whilst LG have been sitting on their hands
99% of consumers don't even know what Dolby Vision even is let alone HDR, HDR+, OLED or LED as long has they get the biggest screen they can afford they are happy !
And those people usually aren't buying the flagships. Those sales matter too.
@@carlmclemore6104 Volume is what makes or breaks a company. LG learnt the hard way just trying to sell OLEDs !
I know man it kinda hurts my feelings consumers have zero idea what they could be getting for a better price. Like they go out and wasit $600 on a pos ONN and tv at wallmart and could have spent a hundred more on a tcl 6 series or something of that matter!
Volume drives R&D but profits come from flagships and I am not spending 4K 5K dollars for HDR10.
Of course, but videos like this donât help people understand technically why one TV is better than another.
The Q95b didnât age well did it?
I still find Samsung refusal to support for DV ridiculous. For $6-$10 per set they could support HDR10+ and DV. I am replacing my TV this year and it will not be a Samsung because of this.
@IAlwayswin "Cry some more" lol. If you are laying over $2000 for a TV don't you want it to support all the tech? Not supporting DV is just stupid.
@IAlwayswin Wow, you really are an idiot.
Not having DV on an OLED makes a big difference, and paying around $2,000 for an OLED is not ridiculous, you get what you pay for.
@@edwarddore7617 It was not me who said paying $2000 is ridiculous. It is expected. What is ridiculous is Samsung not supporting DV when it would cost about $6-$10 dollars per set to include it. For $2000 + it should be there.
@IAlwayswin The fact that you think burn-in is a problem, tells me you're broke trash, who has nothing better to do then to antagonized others, because he feels sorry for himself.
I just bought a tv. After a lot of considerations , i decided to not buying a samsung tv for lack of dv support and dse
Me too
Here take this L
Very nice
SHARP used to be a supplier of panels and an innovator but couldn't hold on to that as the 4k tv market came in.
Sounds like, as I agree, cooler heads did not prevail and Dolby Vision ruffled feathers. Or Bit off their Nose to Spite their face. It will be interesting but no one but the consumer will loose. Samsung will have te defeat a prevailing standard. They be forced to invest more goodies to offset.
@Stop the Fomo
Maybe check your audio-recording-setup. I hear a lot of hiss.
Dolby is just selling crappy IP and trying to use FUD to push their crappy IP. I am glad Samsung gave Dolby the finger.
I think Dolby Vision is a metadata to tell TV which details to be highlight. Samsung can reproduce that with their AI chip. Since all new TVs are connected now. It's very possible that Samsung can train those AI for famous movies and apply to TVs. Just like Tesla train all AI at the datacentre and send it to vehicles.
No more panels ads in models qn90 for latĂn amĂ©rica!!!!
People are stupid and donât even know what they are looking at most of the time. They see big tv they think big equals great. They buy a 77 inch Samsung at walmart for 400 dollars and think they have gold
My wife is one, she notices a 77" WTF TV and is like" Look Babe" and I'm, "Shiiiiiiiiit" why downgrade for a huge bottom of the barrel TV from Walmart.
Never been a fan of Samsung TVs. Always felt like the picture was geared âpretty â instead of realistic. Prefer LG and Sony.
Samsung TVs are very pretty indeed. Just look at their bezels!
Iâm almost certain you have it right on Dolby Vision.
I just noticed that I haven't subscribed to your channel!!! Subscribe and hope to see your channel grow. Sorry for that! thank you for your content and information.
Samsung TV's in the Philippines break down really quickly. Which makes me not consider the brand for TV's. I use their phones though.
The S95B was not released in Europe. They are promoting the QN95B as the only 4K flagship. The S95B might be US-only in 2022.
Bullshit. The S95S will be officially launched in May in France
@@thomasmorel1447 donât need to be rude. Glad to hear they are bringing the S95B to France.
They will release it around April here in the netherlands
Nope not only in US the S95B will be also sell in Europe.
The battle continues - Dolby Vision vs HDR10+, what it comes down to is watching the same content from two equivalent Tvs (one DV and the other HDR10+) and tell me if it makes lots of difference. I can tell you it doesn't, it's not like one shows like SDR and the other like HDR, they are both showing at HDR and the difference is very minimal. Would it be nice if Samsung support DV? yes but it would just be a name slap onto the Tv, it wouldn't make a huge difference in picture quality instead just a name. FOMO make a video and show it to prove to people that's it no big difference. What I considered more important is that Samsung do not update their TV OS and their apps on their Tv don't get much update unlike the Google TV but then again Google TV OS has more bugs than a Samsung OS. So my friends, when you are ready to purchase a TV, you have to get a checklist and see which Tv has most of what YOU want, because what you want might not be what I want.
I have Samsung and LG with Dolby vision. Makes a big difference when watching content from Netflix, Apple TV, Disney plus..etc. the darker scenes so much better in Dolby vision. I say if watch a lot of app content definitely get a tv with DVâŠif not it wonât matter much on cable or blue ray
@Luis Arroyo you said "I have Samsung and LG with Dolby Vision", Samsung don't have Dolby Vision it has HDR10 and HDR10+. In my opinion those are better than DV but if you like DV on the LG that's ok too, everyone got their preferences.
@@ownerr8441 thatâs what I meant. I assumed you knew Samsung doesnât have DV on their TVs đ but yeah, the content on the LG with DV did much better with the dark scenes in Netflix and Disney ..etc since they use DV and not HDR 10+. but on blue ray and cable both looked pretty good
@Luis Arroyo it comes down to which LG and Samsung you're comparing. You would have to compare similar models from both brands. Try comparing LG C2 with QN95B or QN90B with the same contents, and you will see that the HDR10 or 10+ looks better. Remember also that DV dark is supposed to be the more accurate settings.
The main reasons why Samsung will not support DV are
1. DV cost a licensing fee
2. It doesn't make any major difference in pic quality. Actually in my opinion the Samsung HDR10 or 10+ or any other brand TV (again similar model TVs comparison) using a Roku or Nvidia sheild and disabling DV so it forces the content to show in HDR10 or 10+ looks great.
Now, if Samsung didn't have any HDR format, then that would be different.
@@ownerr8441 thanks for the tips. So, I turned off DV on my Apple TV like u said and that helped a lot to make the dark scenes on my Samsung better when using the Apple TV apps like Netflix. Really wanted to buy another Samsung and was reluctant because how it handled content on my Apple TV compared to LG but Thinking of going neo qled now. For some reason prefer itâs image to OLEDâs
I can tell you, as an owner of a OLED TV, Dolby Vision makes a noticeable difference, and that is why we bought a Sony (could have easily bought an LG), because Samsung did not make OLEDs. Nits, and screen brightness that can burn your retinas is perfect for some people, but the realistic colors, contrast and true blacks of OLED can't be beat. I have been curious about HD10+ myself, and the differences, if any, between it and Dolby Vision, but since we don't get Panasonic OLEDs here in the US, and since Samsung only recently started making OLEDs, I've never been able to compare them, which is a shame because my Panasonic 820 player supports both formats.
I love the Samsung tv's that I've owned. I have a 52" going on 12 years old going strong. Another 46" about the same age going strong. Bought a 65" a year and a half ago going strong! Bought a Sony 65" nothing but problems and a final green screen...Returned! Samsung works for me!
My brother had a Sony for like 10yrs. Maybe bad luck. Samsung TVs seem overpriced for less to me. Seems like the they just make sells from the brand name.
@@JJTeam-yr6tb I understand but I think number one in sales has to mean something. I got a 7 series on Black Friday for a great price and its going strong, great contrast and color. I'm happy with it with it all day long...
@@kcstereo I frankly don't necessarily believe that but I do think that if you're happy with it who cares. I also think Sony is overpriced though.
I think manufacturers shouldn't worry about jargon like dolby vision atmos, and just focus on improving their AV experience.
I want dolby vision!
Mom: we got dolby vision at home.
Dolby vision at home: hdr10+
I always figured Samsung knew they were number one without Dolby Vision, so why pay for their license when you donât have to?
Samsung thought they could just bully their way around it and push through on their own. Well, that was a great plan...right up until most Hollywood production studios decided to put their support behind Dolby Vision for their chosen form of HDR to support. Now, not so much.
Samsung for lcd and lg for oled if I want a flagship, Chinese if I want value
When Samsung Brings Dolby Vision and implents a Proper HeatSink to their new Flagships next year. Samsung can be Number 1 on TVs if they want to. I mean they brought Dolby Atmos which was obvious earlier or later. DV will come because Samsung want to be number 1 in the gaming Market and they are the only company with freesync premium pro and 144Hz on market. It is obvious that Dolby Vision Gaming will come too. And they will beat LG Sony and Panasonic. In all other aspects too.
Samsung made a LOT of mistakes with their S95B launch this year that they are still in the process of trying to clean up and fix. It will be very interesting to see if they actually LEARN from any of them and correct them in 2023?
Dolby vision is awesome and everyone i know loves it. People who have no idea what it was see Netflix and BOOM super color and highlights.
I get super color and highlights with HDR10 as well.
I will never buy a Samsung TV simply because they don't support Dolby Vision and it does not matter if Samsung come up with something slightly better if everyone else supports Dolby Vision... They are making the same mistake Sony did with Betamax
Dolby Vision is not even that impactful to the point that I can walk into a room and point out randomly that Dolby Vision is on. Dolby Atmos is the one that is unmistakeable in true Atmos moments. Get your sound right and then pick your tv based on your room needs, bright or dark room.
@@JayJay-jx3zg yes I agree Dolby Atmos really stands out where DV is like just another "higher" standard. There are tons of cheap TV's that have slapped on DV but can't even take the advantage of it because of limitations that entry panels have lol đ
Lol, who the fuck cares
I have to say, I'm not all that impressed with Dolby Vision. I don't see any major differences between any of the HDR formats, at least SO far.
In fact, the Dolbyvision content I've seen on Netflix is a bit lacking in brightness in my opinion. I'm no expert, just an ordinary person trying to figure out what looks best to me.
Netflix DV is pretty awful, you're better off using Disney+'s DV streams to compare. I've noticed the Star Wars prequels have almost two different color grades when I compare the HDR 4K disc and the DV stream.
@@ZodsSnappedNeck I didn't know that.
I don't watch Disney+, but I can only go by what I watch, and I don't see much to be impressed with when it comes to Dolbyvision. It just seems like marketing hype so far.
If you get a chance check it pit on 4k discs, especially aquaman the difference is very noticeable
@@wakawaka12320 And for the discs (not many) that support both HDR10+ and DV, HDR10+ looks better IMO so what does that tell you? I believe Samsung made the better standard, it's just unfortunately not winning the war at the moment. DV is overated af
@@jonsatvoutdoorchannel6686 I strongly disagree hdr10+ is like a minor boost to regular hdr, dv has way more colours and peak brightness and is 12bit. Ivecseen hdr10+demo's and it's better but can't hold a candle to dv demos
I always respected Samsung for doing their own thing and believing in themselves instead of going with the flow and the dolby vision. I didn't like samsung for long time, until recently. I also want to mention as a hardcore gamer, that their monitors are also on another level than others. They are the only one that produces curved monitors with hdmi 2.1. And that's a big deal. The reason to have flat monitor compared to curve, is when you share the screen with someone else. Who does that anyway? Curved monitors are highly underestimated.
Curved monitors are very quickly going the way of curved TVs: into the dustbin of history - where they belong. Bad idea, right from the very start.
@@michaelbeckerman7532 Explain why curved monitors is going in the dustbin of history? You seam to have no knowledge at all. There is absolutely no reason to not have a curved monitor since monitors usually are being used by one person at the time. A large tv is more for social gatherings where people watch from every angle. As a person that currently are a proud owner of ultrawide curved gaming monitor (21:9, something you do not know what is), I can tell you that this is not on it's way to the trash. It's completely oposite. Remember this sentence and in not long (1 year? 3 years?), the 21:9 will be the new standard in pc, just like "widescreen" 16:9 became the new standard.
Enjoy your sad flatscreen life mr/mrs non gamer person that speaks.
Me one of those who didnt care about Dobby Bulcraps
My qn90b comes Friday. I was back and forth more times I can think. Sony, Samsung, Sony, Samsung blah blah blah. Dolby vision, no Dolby vision blah blah. Dts sound, no dts sound blah blah.
Last tv was Sony bought in 2009 its still perfect. I don't mind trying other brands like "what am I missing out on etc. Let's see.
My grandmas samsung plasma tv lasted up to 11 years
For me Sony tvs just look the best most realistic picture best motion
Absolutely Sony is just better, being the number one seller in this TV industry doesn't mean being the best.
@@Soclean07 The people have spoken!
@@michaelschwader7944 people are flock of sheep đ
@@Soclean07 OK. I'll destroy the Sony is better logic.
The A95K that people are raving about...It's made by Samsung's sister company, Samsung Display. That's right. The TV screen people are praising was actually made by Samsung, not Sony.
Game. Point. Match.
@@michaelschwader7944 Sony is still better with using the others brands panels or without using them.
Never, to be clear *absolutely never* period end of story would I purchase any TV without Dolby Vision for our primary TVs. We have Sony OLED, LG OLED and a TCL series 8.
So as long as it has DV it is the same for you if it can't output over 400 luminance "steps" out of the 1000 reference?
@@absolutium .. You clearly haven't a clue how nits actually work;
@@absolutium .. Also the TCL series 8 is a friggin QLED, QLED are Samsung's plastic filter over a 20+ year old tech LCD panel.
The big reason why Samsung is the top selling tv manufacturer in America is because they sell tv's at Walmart and Target and they are affordable. They make BIG money selling their tv's through those stores. I have the 49inch TU7000 and its a primary gaming tv for my wife and I and it's a good tv but the HDR sucks, in fact when it goes into HDR mode it's like why? You cant tell the difference between HDR and SDR on the TU7000 but Samsung touts it as bright HDR. Wrong. But it is what it is and we got it from a roommate who paid $350 for it at Walmart. He moved out and gave it to my wife and I. Samsung makes great top end tv's but the lack of Dolby Vision, DSE, Banding you name it makes it a hard pass for me buying one not to mention I didnt have a great experience with their customer service in the past.
I had that tv and yeah the hdr sucks. 400 nits and no local dimming does not cut it. You need local dimming or self emissive pixels at the bare minimum and also having at least 700 nits of brightness is also important. I now have a C1 and HDR looks awesome on it.
As long as Dolby Vision defaults back to AT LEAST HDR10 Samsung can overcome the limitations. They can use their own algorithm and processing on top of HDR10 for their own displays to account for the dynamic meta data
This ^^^ is not a thing bro. There's no processing on top of HDR 10, to account for a lack of Dolby vision.
@@HoIyGrail Correct, but even if they COULD do that, it still wouldn't fly with consumers. Remember, when a film comes out like Top Gun - Maverick and it is released in Dolby Vision HDR, consumers want to see it in that EXACT format - not some after-market, tweaked, rough approximation of it that gets them just part of the way there.
@Michael Beckerman I don't understand your point. I think you directed your comment to the wrong person.
Cheers FOMO for the video.
Samsung losses a lot of customer by simply not paying Dolby laboratories the $4 bucks in licensing fee per panel. I was a huge Samsung fan, but as Dolby vision content became more widely used even in gaming now I just canât buy Samsung anymore. The shades of colours on a true DV panel is just awesome and as a 4K UHD bluray movie buyer I want the absolute best recreation of how the director intended the film to be viewed. Whatâs funny about Samsung is that they buy their panels from LG than build their hybrid OLED off that platform, since LG offers DV we know Samsung is just being cheap and trying to save $4/panel. Wether someone wants DV or not is irrelevant, what matters is locking out customers from todays formats. Sony is also famous for this in house forced format with their PS5, I know first hand as I own a PS5 since launch day. They also donât have DV and use an in house HDR that only competes with HDR-10 and canât even match HDR-10+. Their in-house tempest audio is nonsense as well, itâs only a 2 channel format that uses phasing and amplitude to give the illusion of spherical sound. Whatâs worse is that they formatted this 2 channel tempest audio to enable Atmos on our AVR and the sound is horrible and nowhere near native Atmos. All this locking out consumers from both PS5 and Samsung is just pure nonsense, we should have options even if we have to click a tab and pay for these formats ourselves. Doesnât matter how many companies tries to workaround native DV itâs never gonna compare to the tru 64 billion shades of colours that DV has. As a home theatre user with a dedicated theatre room thatâs fully sound proofed with 8â thick insulated walls and floating drywall that doesnât touch the wall studs Iâve tried a lot of equipment over the last 20 years. I upgrade my panels and receivers every 3-4 years and if your after top quality with the most accurate image reproduction than itâs only Sony and LG at this current time. Yes there are other DV displays, but those suffer in other departments. Samsung will always hold a place in my past as Iâve owned a lot of their displays and have 4 of them boxed back up in my basement, but they just donât want to give us the formats that some of us want. In Canada their top display is the same price as a G3 and side by side the G3 takes the win, yes the Samsung is brighter but Iâd rather have quality over insanely bright pictures. Flagship to flagship Samsung needs to drop their price as they donât offer the same quality or format as say an LG. With that said all these TVs in that sub $1500cdn range are about the same, itâs only the top tier panels where I personally see the difference.
I predict the return of the American TV industry - Zenith Quantum Laser TVs.
Pretty stupid for Samsung's sake to not include Dolby Vision. Dobly Vision leads the market (US) and frankly, I don't see how people will buy Samsung TVs. Will big streaming markets like Disney change? Unlikely.
Unfortunately I think you missed just how much âthey lostâ on the Dolby Vision war. Itâs enough that no major streaming services support hdr10+, but they also lock the highest bitrate streams behind Dolby Vision exclusively. All of them, Netflix, Disney+, ïŁżTV+, Prime, etc. And itâs not just the video bitrate, but the audio as well for their highest quality Atmos encode.
So despite reaching a flagship panel technologically, their stubbornness has now removed their ability to receive the highest quality streams. This isnât changing either. Itâs simply creating a larger and larger gap as these services lean more and more into Dolby Vision as the premiere stream.
This problem eliminates them from any true high-end user discussions which over time will move them out of the flagship space.
The online streaming services like Netflix and apple their Dolby vision is absolute garbage . Their 4k content looks just about 1080p.
Prime has HDR10+. Dolby Vision on streaming is very hit or miss. Mainly miss, as its usually not the mastered version in DV just a layer put on afterwards with an algorithm deciding what to change at certain points.
@@pioneer2321 that's not true at all... Content can look great if I'm bein honest it does need more color than regular content . That's it..
There's definitely nothing iffy about the resolution though.
Stop spreading misinformation. Prime Video, Hulu, and Paramount+ support HDR10+. Fox Sports isn't a major streamer, but they also support HDR10+. DV has a wider support base, but HDR10+ support is more widespread than many would have you believe.
People have been saying that Samsung will die for years now since they never want DV, but it's 2022 and they are still top dominating market like crazy.
I'm actually worried about Sony, they have poor sales and lost many customers in the last couple years cuz of lies about VRR.
I want that shirt
This video is deep black with my tab S8 ultra
Solution: buy Sony tv. They uses Samsung panel like qd-oled and u get Dolby vision and none of the Samsung ad bs.
08:07 aaayyyyyy
Panasonic was the best in times like plasma tv, for now i dont now. I think samsung is to populair, but not the best. I think LG G series or Sony/Panasonic with heat sink. Dont buy first generations QD oled this year but maybe in 18-21 months there will be a good product of that... but in 21 months we will see maybe a better technology with Quantum dots ;) @ Ces 2024.
Look. Ces 2022 Qd oled - Ces 2024 QD micro led or verry cheap printable oled from ctos (tcl) Ces 2025 maybe the first generation QD self emissive tv (QDEL, ELQD). But for consumers for this last , but best technology you need to wait maybe another 5 years from now to buy a 2nd generation QDEL and with promo/soldes. So that is in the moment that a 3rd generation will be prensentated at ces 2027. So 5 years ! And there will be no need for organic Oled backlight! Only quantum dots, after some time normaly cheaper than oled fabrication, its flexible, printable,...
And with this technology i don't think there is still need for Micro Led, maybe only for big big screens like in stadiums +200/250 inch ;)
I think Samsung is going to steal Sony's âĄ
Only Leader will understand Leader, Keep watching story of the brave.
Why pay for DV license when 95% of your customers don't even care about it. How many people out there pause their movies every 10 minutes to examine a scene to compare DV and HRD10/HRD10+?
the type of people researching top of the line TV's do it.
So ill informed you are. You think HDR10+ development was free when Samsung got together with Panasonic to create it out of the Percetual Quantization curve Dolby created for HDR.
Even today HDR10+ is not free, there are fees applied.
Quantum Dots are a Nanoysys tech.
@stopthefomo When it comes to samsung I just feel the average person that shops for a tv they only see 3 things. 1 a bright color panel, 2 the price, and 3 the frame of the panel!! They pay no attention to the blacks, the motion flow and the beauty of the directors original intended. for real movie goers samsung at even high tier tvs just doesn't cut it! 8k is useless at this point and that's the only good looking panels from samsung.. but I'm one of those I'd rather have a cleaner more accurate panel such as sony! But it's just my opinion..
I own a Samsung 85" qn90a. Absolutely no issues with deep blacks or motion.
@@ha1l2th3king6 congrats to you glad your happy with your đș samsung just isn't my cup of tea!!!
Glad you said the last sentence
So many videos I watched & comparisons I did while trying to make a choice between the samsung QN90A & The Sony X95J & listened to fomo say the X95J beat out the QN90A in the flagship Duel & Then I buy The X95J & now it's a different tune & suddenly I'm hearing how sonys behind & has been for years, Really?. That's somewhat frustrating & feal's misleading because I watch the videos & take the time to make the best decision I can & when stuff like this happens it frankly is very Questionable to me as to how good a reviewer actually is. This can be very frustrating because I was ready to Buy the QN90A when both sets were the exact same price but fomo's Flagship Duel results video was imprinted in my mind and aided in my final decision.
@@michaeldavis6550 I feel your pain I did the same thing 2 years ago with my tv. I got the hisense H9G or the Sony 950h and man did I regret it. That's why this time I'm sticking to my guns on my next one! You didn't make the wrong move the x95j is a great tv and when it comes down to it sonys king of upscaling, motion and color Accuracy.
Dolby vision is superior imho
Simple, just sell millions of cheap, crappy tvs in the 3rd world. Samsung learned from Walmart. Told Dolby, give it to us for cheaper than all the other vendors, or take a hike. That's how Walmart became so big. Sell your product to us at the price we choose, whether you make a profit or not. if you wont sell it to us at that price, we will bury you.
Please don't compare Samsung to Tesla, Samsung manufactures high quality products, Tesla, not so much.
Hating on samsung while knowing that every compet including dolby is doing whatever they can to stay ahead of the game.
Selling not great TVS - No DVs, Samsung has big marketing and sales+margin tie-ups with bestbuys. People are less educated in buying any electronic product from Tvs to phones to any gadget.
I think leadership at dolby vision succeeded in it coz i just bought Sony Tv which supports dolby vision and Atmos, i like samsung as a brand but lack of these does make a difference for me personally SONY is TOP NOTCH IN TV
Speaking of riding on your name alone. Dolby is good stuff, but way over rated. even on youtube when i see Dolby and HDR10 side by side. it's 50/50 which i think is better. More down to the movie itself. Dolby is so over rated its crazy. When you cant tell which is being used unless your told, which several youtubers with a keen eye, such as yourself cant accurately tell which is which. I see no reason to care about Dolby. I've even see reviewer mostly guess which is Dolby vision and HDR10, but that was only cause they had seen how both formats "tend to display images". And that reviewer though HDR looked better half the time. So why pay for something that only works half the time when you can get the same results for free? Maybe you are an enthusiast and just want the option. But for 99% of consumers, a great picture and large screen is more than enough.
When you see them side by side, (not CZcams), you can see how much better Dolby Vision is.
Samsung always in 3rd. I bet if they wised up and had Dolby vision and real Oleds they might beat Sony or LG one day.
lg g2 is much better. best hdr they have ever seen on oled tv`s! The LG G2 is a stellar performer when it comes to high dynamic range, and the companyâs claims of significantly increased brightness prove to be true in testing. The 65G2 hit 930cd/mÂČ on a 10% window and 174cd/mÂČ on a full-field pattern. When combined with the deep blacks and pixel-precise highlights of OLED, the result is the best HDR we have seen to date.
The Dynamic Tone Mapping Pro feature on previous LG OLEDs analysed 500 sections of the picture to detect the darkest and brightest areas, using these two extremes to apply the dynamic tone map across the entire image. The new version analyses 5,184 areas of the picture, producing wonderful near-black gradation, and drawing out every last detail out in the shadows.
The colour performance is equally impressive, with the LG hitting 99% of the DCI-P3 colour space. This means youâre getting the full benefit of HDRâs wider colour gamut, and when combined with the increased brightness the results are breathtaking. The Greatest Showman in HDR reveals rich and vibrant colours that pop off the screen.
Panasonic oled from last year already hit the 930 nits without a so called EX panel. And this year Panasonic have the new oled from LG they gonna hit around 1000 nits QD-OLED will be the winner overall for 2022
@@wblebon quantum dot not mate. the fomo has a nice review about it. dump people talking shit. talk to eachother. you dont nothing. im a tv expert. Using the Normal viewing mode, I measured HDR peak brightness in a 5% window at more than 900 nits, which translates to excellent specular highlights for street lights, lens flare, bright VFX and so on. With a 10% window, it measures just over 800 nits. so nothing arround 1000 nits. 800 nits in 10 percent window. go back to youre mother and tell lies to her. not here fucking troll!
Well i hate the practicality of samsung menu.
The Lg is way more practical easy to use.
I would personally love for Dolby Vision to fail, HDR should never have had a format war to begin with. Its software at the end of the day. I don't know how open HDR10+ is but there needs to be something like it, at least for gaming. Panel and computer manufacturers are never going to be thrilled paying a Dolby tax on all their gear so barely any of them have. PC users in particular are stranded without standard beyond HDR10. Even Sony is reluctant to pay Dolby, their Bravias do so for the streaming/UHD BR playback but Playstation has gone without it. If PS5 sells 100 million units they will be donating Dolby half a billion for doing nothing. So even if its annoying I understand why Samsung are fighting on this front.
It makes no sense to me why more panel manufacturers didn't agree to cut Dolby out honestly. There must be some story behind it.
If you have an OLED DV makes a noticeable difference.
You are entirely overlooking the power of HOLLYWOOD here. Most of the major film production companies have already made their decision and are putting their support behind Dolby Vision. Once they do that, consumers want to be able to play back those films (either by streaming or on disc) with all of the colors that the producers of those films intended them to see. Sony (as an owner of a major Hollywood film studio) understood the significance of that right out of the gate. Samsung did not. Their fault.