ROUND 2: The Railway Review To The Class 458/4
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- čas přidán 3. 07. 2024
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It may of only (suddenly) entered service a few weeks ago, but let's have a look at a train that nobody had the faintest clue of what to do with! WOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Typically I'd just write a comment here with the running gag of 'guess the filming locations in exchange for a joke prize' (feel free to do that 317Dan) but this time, I want to get out that I am so...purplexed by the decisions of SWR and the 458/4 project.
I wouldn't mind the idea of making them 4 cars again if they were running the branch routes as I suggested in the video and if the 442, 456 and 707s were still around, but no, the services are still atrocious, short formations still go on, overcrowding is rampant and there are still routes that haven't returned to their usual service (give me back my hounslow loop and 2tph via Bookham.)
There's always an excuse for everything given, but my sympathy pit is so dry, it's become a den for fennec foxes and it's also really difficult to be symathetic to First Group when their bus division has invested £89 MILLION on battery electric buses.
My guess is they stuck them on routes where drivers are already trained on 458s to save on training...
@@andrewreynolds4949 That to me sounds quite plausible. Also somehting else I forgot to check was clearance. I have an old driver's manual which shows routes it's not cleared for, but it's very out of date (as in, 10 car trains were not permitted to Ascot and Reading, but that's no longer the case.)
@@MaverickHunterDaniel FirstGroup, always making the wrong decisions!
Seems like SWR needs some more trains pretty quickly. What's that? 37 class 350/2s? Coming off-lease very soon with no prospective operators? Easily converted for 3rd rail operation? Compatible with class 444/450? Almost too good to be true...
Bu-but the 350/2 has a special place in Ely Papworth already reserved! You wouldn't deny it's RSVP now, would you? >:(
If only they were /1 variants. I just get haunted by 3+2 seating as i commute on southern. Either ironing boards, 3+2, or i get good seats once in a blue moon
Porterbrook was talking about adding batteries to some of their out of use EMUs at one point. I keep wondering if that would be feasible for the 350s, perhaps for routes like Reading to Gatwick
@@andrewreynolds4949 Previously GWR were seeking 30 4 car EMU , Originally it was looking to be class 379's but im hearing that the 350/2 with batteries may end up with GWR with the remaning possibly with SWR. who knows these days, many TOC cant make up their mindand wasting time and money,
@@TheDancingGamer01 That procurement exercise by GWR was won by the existing 387 fleet a long time ago. It was basically just to get a better lease price on those units, using the 379 fleet as a threat to get Porterbrook to cave. The battery 350/2 fleet ideas are almost entirely speculation, based on an offhand comment one time by Porterbrook quite a while ago about investigating the possibility of adapting off-lease EMU units with batteries, not specifying which ones they might try if any. I enjoy speculative napkin-planning as much as anyone else, but it has to stay clearly as speculation.
best birthday present ever
Ah, well happy birthday! :)
"The /4 juliet "😂😂😂😂
I went on these on the first day and the seats are horrible. I prefer the ones on the /5 as they’re way comfier. The /4 having the old announcements still is funny as hell
The poor syncing with the visual displays and the terrible splicing always gets me chucking :D
hearing “THIS TRAIN IS FOR LONDON WATERLOOOOO. THE NEXT STATION IS NORTH SHEEN” always cracks me up with how badly spliced the celia drummond announcements are, but in all seriousness the refurbishment is slightly disappointing. the outside looks nice but the inside was a half-arsed job and they wouldn’t have been suitable for the PDL with how they came out of the workshop.
The Class 334s here in Scotland have Wabtec door sounds now, some even have both original and Wabtec and when the door alarms do this funny thing called actually fucking increasing volume by 8934759382765893479573db it hurts like a bastard
Yeah, it was clearly programmed by someone who was wearing earmuffs.
gosh i'm glad i didnt have my headset on for that door alarm lol. also hi Dan! it's great to see you still doing your thing (i think my previous name was DKane back when you did Sparta Remixes). this was honestly pretty neat to listen to while i work. also that Sonic Battle theme takes me back 😄
If there was one thing I enjoyed with the 458 (a train I have a lot against) it was the seat comfort, felt like a moving sofa. The quiet section was decent enough, so if the seats really are worse I'll be absolutely miffed.
The quiet section was retained in the /4 refurbishment, though whether other acknowledge it's existance is another thing.
Unfortunately from my experiences, when train companies get hold of certain trains and alter them, its a downgrade nine times out of ten... It's a shame really.
Uncomfortable seats certainly being one of them.
@@ReecesTrains There are some refurbishments that weren't too bad or even really good. The 350, SWT 455, the original 458/5 and 175 spring to mind.
Apparently, the remaining 458/5s will remain i could be wrong.
I’m probably going to find the refurbished set this weekend. My expectations haven’t been high since seeing the first interior photographs, this review reaffirms my low expectations. But that’s how I sum up SWR: low expectations that are never exceeded, only made worse. I’m surprised I haven’t seen a 4-car 455 to Reading… YET.
If it makes you feel any better/worse, I do remember seeing a 707 on an early morning Reading - Waterloo service in early 2020, before the world went upside down. I was going to use it in the video, but ditched it during a section rewrite.
@@MaverickHunterDanielCoincidentally, I remember a similar event happening when I saw a 5 car 707 in around 2019/20 on the Waterloo - Reading service during the morning rush hour, replacing a 10 car 458/5. To say you probably couldn’t of seen the next carriage inside even with the walk-through coaches would be an understatement.
given that i hate seagulls i see that as a bonus
@@cjpro2517 Sadly for you, seagulls are protected under the Wildlife and Countryside Act 1981, so plod will be having the last laugh...
Damn you for mentioning me lmao! But yes is the very good video. I do really like the 458/4s and I still hope more roll out soon, but at the same time I think I do prefer the /5 refurbishments. They'll be missed eventually. Anyway I'm ready to kill some baby seagulls... apparently 🤣
I'm legally required to mention you whenever I talk about Scania Omnicities or Junipers. Anyway, would you like me to mail some incense for you to complete to hex to rid those seagulls? :)
The 450 sometimes runs on my line.I even managed to ride a semi fast one
The very least was at least when i go back from school i can just go because they used to have 10 carriges which blocks the gate in addlestone well now its 8 so at the very least i dont need to wait for the gates
YoOOOOOOOOOoOOOOoOOO ANOTHER TRAIN GUIDE VID
458/4 on the district line 🔥🔥🗣️🗣️🗣️🙏🙏
Well spotted! It was using that section to head back to Wimbledon Depot.
Nothing good ever happens up north, seems this is a common trend down south too
@@avidtrainspotting It's also a trend in Wales too. Nothing good happens.
RIP the 460 trailers at last 😢
The remaining 458/5s are probably ginna remain for now. Indluding the modded 460 variations.
First group are known for incompetency. Lets chuck the gemini 2 hybrids in the bin and replace them with older gemini 1s instead of using the newer streetdecks.. no wonder swr follows similar stupidity, i loved the 458s and they have definitely aged. But atp shouldnt have been moved an inch off the line aswell as the 707s
this is why they lost the TPE franchise
The fact that these are not going on the Portsmouth runs as originally planned just makes zero sense to me.
Why put all that effort, money & resources into re-gearing the 458s to run up to 100mph and bin off the former 460 trailer cars to then just put them back on the lines they currently run?
My only real assumption is SWR were forced to do this because of how pathetically long it has taken the 701s to enter service (and they still fully haven't either) meaning that they can't actually go on the Portsmouth runs because of the lack of rolling stock? This could be the reason, I'm not entirely sure though.
Anyhow, the refurbishment looks good, I just feel like it's a complete waste of time considering they're not fufilling the role they were originally meant to.
I'm still confused as to how after 2 refurbishments, they still didn't add a single bicycle space, yet the 455 got 4 bike spaces per train.
I think MHD uploaded a video. Maybe not? I don’t know if he did.
What a rusty little train, it’s meant to be ripped off a Class 458/5. Just with a coach less.
I can’t believe Alstom wanted to continue their junipers so badly after over 25 years! This is ridiculous.
458/4s were the original format of the train.
Eh, I dunno about that. There are plenty of trains Alstom have built that are older than the Juniper, including the LU, 1995/96 Stock, the broken nose locos, the many versions of the TGV including the Atlantique, Duplex, Thalys versions and Eurostar which are still used today.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel
The 1995 stock seems the most well built out of all. 96 stock seemed to gave some cheaper features. But theve lasted long with maintenance. The GTO was cheaper, and the suspension/bogies too. (At least from what ive read)
Class 458s as unreliable as they were initially, seem to have better suspension than the electrostars, but overall electrostars seem much more reliable.
@@gapthemind--mindthegap8524 I get that they are, since junipers were built from 1998 onwards, but is the overground stock relevant? No, it’s totally irrelevant!
Eurostars are older than 458s by around four years but oh man
@@LondonBuses198 the 458s could have had a few adjustments to make them better before service. They had a ton of issues upon release. I cant even remember the details. The 458s do look and sound nice, theh look very GEC alstom. Which i also like. But the problem with them is their traction is very unpredictable also , they always seem to cut off the motors. And leave less motors to power the vehicle. And they were designed VERY UNDERPOWERED. the power output wasnt even rectified in the slightest it would seem. Which is dumb to say the least.
Class 458s on a good day are nice units though.
Still trying to ride the class 701
Don't force yourself, it's not worth it.
The management of SWT seems to be an utter shambles. Whey did they scrap the 442 class soon after refurbishment?
Horrible reliability
@@andrewreynolds4949
Unreliability is not, or should not be, in itself a reason for scrapping a fleet of trains. These units should have been good for at least another 15 years. If a fleet has become unreliable the defective components need to be identified and replaced, and maintenance procedures reviewed. That is accepted best practice. Any corrosion issues should have been addressed as part of the class 442 refurbishment.
You are describing the wasteful and incompetent fleet management practices which are unfortunately widespread on contemporary railways.
@@andrewreynolds4949 1. The retractioning was to rectify and reduce the reliability issues and that was cancelled partway in the program. ( www.bloodandcustard.com/BR-5WES-442_files/image035.jpg )
2. The 180, arguably the most unreliable train in use in the UK, still sees use every day by GC on more demanding and longer distance routes in spite of it's multitude of problems. At this point, it's pretty much, for lack of a better way of wording it, a skill issue. First and MTR had more than enough money and resources to stick with it and not throw it away.
@@physiocrat7143 Unreliability is the primary metric by which trains are permanently removed from service. The whole reason for removing old trains is usually they are so worn out and unreliable they cannot be kept in service anymore. Otherwise they are often kept in service as long as there is work for them, such as is the case with the Sprinter fleet, a number of similar designs on the continent, the class 37, or many of the older EMD locomotives in North America.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel There have been quite a few rumors about Grand Central ditching the 180 fleet, which they may do if/when they get a new track access agreement in the next couple of years. I wouldn't be surprised if they go for a similar CAF design as LNER, if they buy new
You should do your class 395 review again as they've been refurbished however it's only the interior so not much difference
You've just answered exactly why I won't review it again.
Fair
The jupiter looks nice, but they didnt reallY revamp the FUCKING ACCELERATION!! lets hope things change.
To be quite honest, I haven't noticed too much of a drop of accelaration on the /4. I would like to compare the two but it's a bit of a hassle to sort that out.
The day First group goes bust (or worse) is the day the sun shines (for once) brighter than it ever has
Legitimately disgraceful company, I say
Better get used to flipping over that hourglass then...
i get that 458531-536 cant be reconverted because they are solely made of 460 carriages but whats stopping 529 and 530 being converted? (or whichever numbers they are)
Your guess is as good as mine.
You ever gonna review the sprinters? The class158/159?
My bank account says no at the moment. Give me some money to go to York, Hull and Bridlington, then you can ask.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel I feel that right now, I would if I could
@@MaverickHunterDaniel💸💸💸
Turn on thanks then@@MaverickHunterDaniel
@@MaverickHunterDanielwho says you need to go all the way up to Yorkshire when you just need to go to London Waterloo to ride one 😂
Will you review the original desiro trains such as class 350/450/360/380
P.S. Theres a Thai version of it
P.s.s if you say no and call me ungrateful its fine. I know that you take your time making videos
The 185 are apart of the originals too, but he doesn't take requests friend.
@@thecour8379 yea i’m aware. I’m asking WILL you do it. Not CAN you do it.
If you know you're being ungrateful, why bother asking me? Here's a simple deal, send me £500 on my ko-fi to cover my travel costs and I'll do the Desiros tomorrow. If not, STOP ASKING FOR REQUESTS, INDIRECTLY OR OTHERWISE. It's getting really annoying sifting through ungrateful kids who, even if I did their request, would just go "can you do ____" as soon as it was finished.
@@MaverickHunterDanieli’ll pay £3-10 for you. I’ll not ask this again.
@@TanVasinTrains Sadly £500 remains as my final offer, so no deal.
SWR: Bad Situations Managed Poorly
Nah that’s SMP, SWR: Services Wrongly Ran
Services Wrangled Regularly.
Services Woefully Ruined.
Shareholders Winning Regardless.
Stock Wastefully Rejected
@@LordEverythingtrains I thought that was TPE ! (Trains Permanently Exiled?)
Dude your bank account and wallet are crying rn
@@theunknown1st307 Not too much this time since I only went to a handful of relatively nearby locations.
Are the 458/4s & 5s compatible with eachother?
I don't think so.
@@MaverickHunterDanieli feel like it would be the same situation with the 175 and 180. They could be compatible but something that unreliable would cause a nuclear explosion
Yep, a 458/4 and 458/5 coupled together would certainly create a black hole! 😂
Still no Class 444/450 review?
I think I'm just going to block you since after spending £25 just riding and filming this, getting comments like this shows that you only care about getting what you want, whilst giving nothing in return.
SWT's new flat weave fabric is horrid and will wear badly. They have made a right mess of the 159 refurb.
I don't remember the 159s being bad to ride on when it was first refurbished, but I haven't rode on many of them for a while.
@@MaverickHunterDaniel
It's the flat weave seat fabric that feels nasty, and the seating layout has been changed, I think. The ambience has been spoilt. Grey shows every stain and goes a yellowish shade after a while. There is a reason why the use of moquette became almost universal. 150 years of accumulated knowledge is being ignored.
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