The Modern Screamo Paradox, Explained (easy to understand)
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- The Modern Screamo Paradox, Explained
0:00 - 0:39 intro
0:40 - 5:30 early day
5:30 - 6:10 hi
6:11 - 11:13 The paradox basic
11:13 - 14:27 The 4 Pillars of Modern Skramz
14:28 - 15:49 Theory Explained!
15:50 - 18:27 Conclusion/outro/plugs
Knumears photo in into by Cade Meyers
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this is by far the most effort i've ever put into a video. hope you enjoy it :)
It’s amazing bro
Great video essay. I support this.
🙏🙏
Dan you been crushing shit and we here for it!
Salute to you my favorite Canadian other than Dra...
Nah you my only favorite Canadian😂
Nailed it, youngblood
Hotstuff productions has been a hero documenting the scene
Yesssss those videos smooth out my brain sooooo much who needs hate5six
I love Graeme he’s the homie
Real I’ve been watching their videos all the time
truly
real.
not mentioning saetia or orchid the entire video is absolutely bonkers
In/humanity , Antioch arrow, Union of Uranus ….
Or Frail Body.
@@allegedartistlessonsit's weird to see FBs name so often, those are the actual homies
@@diontes1480💪
he posts pics and vids with them
Millennial here. im so happy this younger generation is bringing back this genre in the local music scene here in SoCal. Younger me longed for a time to experience shit like this. Especially seeing these young females fronted screamo bands makes me wanna start my own band haha it’s truly inspiring.
Yeah it’s very cool to see. I’m 28 now and I can’t really be in a crowd with 17 year olds lol I would have loved to have been in THIS scene when I was a teen :(
@@moegerms The local shows I have been to has adults and teens. Some of musicians are older than the rest of their band. - They don't give a shit. haha
I feel so happy by seeying this. Every time i see people talking negativity about the new generation i fell bad, like, i feel unable. I see that in the past, the peoples was just about to live their lives and support bands, and today, when people see some guys with like, emo hair, punk hair, punk clothes, corpse paint, grunge clothes or trying to be somebody useful, the only thing they make is talk bad shit about it. I think that today, the peoples just need to support themselves. Every day i woke up and see people saying in the internet like "dont judge another people when they just trying to be herself" but the same people that say this, make the same thing, its just hard to explain. Here in Brazil, me and my friend are the only guys with an different hair on my class yn, so people talk every time about my hair, but like, they make sarcasm of my hair, saying to me like "bro, cut your hair" or "what the fuck is this hair bro", or they just make sarcasm on me because i like rock music yn, its hard to explain.
How old you is?
as someone who was active on CMHWAK, your video basically skipped over 20 years of music.
screamo continued through the 00s and 10s... loma prieta, suis la lune, funeral diner, matsuri, takaru, amanda woodward, hot cross, bright calm blue...
Loma. Prieta. My favorite Punx band.
funeral diner is so fire, early 2000s skramz rules
Jesus christ I haven't read the words "Suis la Lune" in a VERY long time.
Suis La lune is something special man
Hard agree. I remember when "the wave" bands were active (Touche Amore, PBTT, La Dispute, Title Fight Etc.) and that sparked a sort of revival in the late 00's-mid 10's. Fact of the matter is that screamo/skramz has always existed to some degree or another but it's ebbed and flowed and will probably continue that trajectory. To give a specific example I think it's funny that the video mentions a band from Denton Texas, but ignored the history that just that specific scene has with the bands Two Knights (early stuff is twinkly later stuff is closer to skramz) Fleshborn, and Father Figure (all 3 bands being pretty incestuous in terms of band members).
Overall this one really missed the mark and I say that as someone who was pretty involved in the Midwest scene during the '10's.
There was a cool screamo thing in the 2010s too with bands like Gillian Carter, Pianos Become the Teeth and Ampere.
Gillian Carter! 👍🏻
I remember this Screamo lady on MySpace, Mary Magdalene blocking me back in like 2006 over something dumb.
Only vague memories I have had with screamo lol
Why did you post this
@@parasitesundinism Why are you asking why I do anything?
@@TheosophicalMusingsit’s kind of a lame story but it doesn’t mean we don’t like you. We respect what you pushin and we’ve all been there but at least make some shit up to make it a little more exciting. Like maybe the following day you go outside to find the 2006 screamo lady outside your place with a bat and after talking it out y’all are happily married with a brood of young emolings...
@the_real_tay_loud2072 The last time I made up stuff about a wannabe musican I got a cease and desist with a restraining order.
This is super special and makes me wanna go to a show real bad
hey thanks for using some of my clips and crediting! so sick to see on a channel i watch regularly. i’m also glad people are taking notice of and appreciating us kids bringing back the OG screamo scene and all the admirable stuff that comes with it, while also making it our own unique thing :)
matti! my pleasure. thanks for chiming in! so sick to know u been watching the channel :)
I haven't even thought about pg99 since 2002. you just unlocked a memory.
To me, Thursday will always be a memorable part of earlier emo/screamo adjacent stuff. Not sure if they fit in the context of most skramz, but still a classic. Love that band. Shoutout to Jersey DIY.
facts
Thursday is not early screamo bruv
Geoff was def an OG dood. His basement had some classic shows. Thursday however......was pretty late to this game, quite polished, and not really thst much a part of it.
@@bbqjuan i mean early relative to like, literally right now. maybe “earlier” would have been more accurate. either way, a really great band nonetheless.
Wouldn't even call it screamo tbh, let alone early
the "have you heard about slipknot?!" was painfully relatable😭😭
i pull up at subway & ask for the skramz sandwich
catalyst is genuinely the best band to come out in my lifetime😓
They tough as hell
Fkn love catalyst
Was at their first show and was able to see them consistently for about a year before they really blew up. Moving to Rhode Island had a lot of peaks
Hotstuff Productions the 🐐no 🧢
frfr
Whenever I listen to black metal at work all the zoomers think I’m listening to screamo.
ah the classic conundrum
tbh they do sound similar in the modern era, ESPECIALLY WITH DSBM
also TN gang hehe
Screamo with corpsepaint.
@@girlscoutxoxohiii maisy
Dude these edits are never friggen level! Nice job 👍🏼
When my band went on tour last month I definitely spoke with a bunch of young people who basically echoed this sentiment. Good video!
Lmfao there's nothing like new bands taking influence from old nostalgic bands? LMAO MY GUY...This is a constant in the scene. So you just havent been paying attention to the ongoing metalcore revival which peaked a few years back? Or to the emocore revival bands (Truth Cult, Praise, Search For Purpose, Winds of Promise, Bent Blue, Glean, Anxious, Full Color Dream) that literally led to the current emo/screamo revival (which is how this 'skramz revival' was absolutely predictable and i called it in 2020)?? Or idk how every straightedge band ever from the dawn of time is still ripping Youth of Today and Judge? The hardcore scene has always been a constant cycle of rehashing old trends in new contexts. This is not a paradox, its the very nature of cultural trends and the dialectic through which new syntheses are created. The thing youre talking about at the end, "nerds driven to their own corner to make their own scene" is exactly what already happened 30-40 years ago to give birth to "emotional hardcore/emocore" in the first place. If you talked to these kids in these bands you'd know they're following in the footsteps of people who came before them. Not even getting into how you skipped over how the "emo revival" of the late 2000s to early 2010s was literally from the skramz scene and there are still tons of millennial screamo bands out there and last year they even put out that Balladeers, Redefined comp, or like how Alex Bigman was and still is in screamo bands (Seeing Means More and Ghost Spirit) as if scenecore existing (not "warpedcore" which would also have to include late 90s Americanpiecore pop punk bands like blink, zebrahead, gob, and fenix tx, as well as ska punk...😬) meant that actual skramz didn't exist when it was literally made to differentiate the active hardcore bands like Comadre and Fire Team Charlie from the mallcore and scenecore acts you mentioned.
All in all i do appreciate this video. I really do. Im just a stickler for the true history of emo hardcore and i hate the idea that the underground somehow went away while the alternapop stuff was dominating, and the revisionism about the 90s etc. Trust me, i do the same thing on Finn's videos (been a fan of his since way before he was on youtube lol, SYWH - iykyk). So im always gonna leave some knowledge for anyone who cares to know these things.
anyways, remember kids:
RIDE BIKES!! RIDE BIKES!! RIDE BIKES!!
It’s great that it’s being reignited! Heck yeah to a new lease on life
Oh damn, VS Self were mentioned? I discovered them a few years ago as a label that did a release of an EP I recorded in 2020 also released their debut on tape in the UK.
Also got loads of great Skramz stuff coming out of the UK currently. I recommend Chalk Hands, As Living Arrows, Cassus, incaseyouleave, Cady, and Closed Hands to name a handful of them.
they're probably legit the current biggest screamo "revival" band rn
@@girlscoutxoxo Oh nice one, I’m admittedly not as clued up with regards to the underground Skramz scene across the pond with the exception of stuff like Frail Body and State Faults but it’s great they’re doing well! Their album was in my top 5 of 2020 releases.
its crazy how screamo just keeps getting bigger but im glad it is. its a very innovative genre. many bands keep trying new stuff and it always sounds good. the shows are so much fun and crowds are always hype. thanks dan for covering my fave genre 🙏
Othiel is KILLING right now
The othiels are so underrated fr
And your casually leaning on the mic stand, it's rather humourous, I like it, endearing 😊
we opened for part hats a few times nd they were so sick!! It's awesome to see the kids of OG skramz enthusiasts honing a forgotten genre. I play in a band called Medusa Complex (emo/skramz) I grew up on this type of music. So seeing very young people playing music that influenced my sound to begin with is uncanny. I love seeing it. Glad that skramz finally got the recognition and redemption it deserved.
It’s such a fun chat! Love the world tour
Remember being at the boxing ring show the pit was insane
u were there? 😍
Amazing you’re shouting out all the bands too! Your lives have been amazing for new music exposure and bands to check out or to hit a hard pass on! Haha I think only one band was skipped when I was on your live a few days ago but yeah. Excellent stuff
great job on putting this together!
2:52 rolls so beautifully lol
Love this video! I'm glad someone made a video covering this scene. Subscribed! :D
Bahahah “of a certain vintage”. Great line 👌🏼👌🏼
A bit mean to use homie's picture in a comical way tho, as an aging screamo frontman this hurts deeply lol
I thought Skramz was dead. This is really crazy. Listened to a few of these bands, knumears in particular is special. Thanks for highlighting this. While I feel very old listening to 18 year olds, I'm stoked
Never expected this lmaoooo hell yeah
I love Catalyst they’re my boys
Skramz 4 lyf bro, I'll never turn my back on skramz
seeing catalyst in a disgustingly hot, tiny thrift store changed my life
That sounds like a religious experience
@@danframpt0n it changed something in me
As an elder skrampa and guitarist of old/current bands, it's incredibly strange (but also pretty awesome) to see kids less than half my age into this music. The PARADOX is real! Stoked.
Omg this video is so Backbeforestreetlights bright little stars Bulletsbetweentongues Burial Etiquette Catalyst Cicadahead Clay Birds Departmefrombearisland Edith pike February 44.caliberloveletter Habak herlovebeheadeddaisies Ispentsixhourswatchingshockvideosyesterday Journal Knumears Lagrimas Letsmakenothinghappen Lights strung like stars Love Letter Massa Nera Nuvolascura Onewaymirror Party Hats poorly wrote suicide note Roman Candle Seahorsechoke SO CONCERNED Stumik Bug Train breaks down Versera Vs self Widowdusk Your arms are my cocoon coded !!!
That's dope that you know so many shitty bands
Only one band mentioned there is actually good
I love all of these shitty bands. Thanks for shouting them out. Haters hate passion ❤
i love that you include a yt video title and uploader info whenever you use somebody's video footage!!! great stuff man
Damn this video is your top man! Awesome job 🍷
I looked up most of the bands you mentioned. I like what they are making, but I don't get your point about them being more talented than the previous generations. They are making the same old noise that teenagers have been making for decades.
👏👏👏
The Accused, Martha Splatterheads maddest stories ever told great album does that count? I still love listening to that album.🤩
Thanks for putting me onto hotstuff productions! I already am an avid watcher of hate5six, 197 media, and Leo Sypniewski so always good to add another live show channel!
I like the lighting in yout room/studio 😊
thank you :)
Valeska Suratt - Nameless EP, you're welcome :)
I second this I’m from mn seen them a few times they’re insane
I appreciate attempting to do a video on this because it helps the screamo scene in traction but the history here is bad even in the obviously simplified Crash Course version given here.
The history is incredibly myopic. Also this narrative connecting the pandemic to it 'coming back into fashion' feels like a stretch. There's also the problem of skipping like everything 2000s-2010s in this essentially. Screamo has certainly had a revival but this video frames it as if this entire period before nothing really happened which is just inaccurate and shows an unfamiliarity with ins and outs of the screamo scene and hardcore.
In regards to the modern screamo focus for pillars of bands, I understand the monthly listeners and view criteria to help with this process but this is such a strange collection of bands to choose as pillars of modern screamo. Vs Self, Party Hats, Habok, and Catalyst are all wonderful bands but only Vs Self should remotely be in this convo if one wants to have it. Some other (and imo better) options:
Frail Body (Rockford, Illinois. Not having any Chicago or Milwaukee connection in the diagram theory is insane, neglecting what imo are two of the most passionate and biggest screamo scenes right now)
Knumears (California, US. They do get mentioned at one point tbf)
OLTH (Far better NYC pull frankly)
Massa Nera (New Jersey, US)
Piri Reis (Malaysia)
Senza (Oregon, US)
Gillian Carter (Florida, US)
Soul Glo (Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, US)
Portrayal of Guilt (Party Hats are dope but are a weird pull imo over Portrayal)
Terry Green (Canada)
Shin Guard (Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, US)
Note these bands are not just from the US and each is basically the standout in their local scene. If a band can't easily say that, they shouldn't be in a four pillars of modern screamo convo. I understand it was more to showcase favorites and potential but it's not even a list of the some of the primary bands getting hype.
Neglecting non-US screamo also seems problematic when discussing the 'comeback' of the genre as a lot of it has happened outside the US. The Southeast Asian screamo scene is where a lot of current magic is happening, bands like Piri Reis, Piet Onthel, Naedr. It's definitely a must to check out some of these live sets. European screamo should also have been mentioned in some capacity even if it hasn't been as peak currently as North America and Southeast Asia. It's still very significant and merits a mention. There's also all of the Latin American screamo w/ artists like Dear Diary, This is From My Teenage Angst to My Adult Self, Xcxdxrx, etc.
Not mentioning classic screamo bands also coming back or doing reunions (like Saetia, like City of Caterpillar, Gospel, Orchid, Jeromes Dream) is a big miss.
Just think all these things deserved at least a mention or two in the same way stuff like how the term 'skramz' came to be. Also not mentioning the origin of the term 'emoviolence' as well next to that in the video seems like an oversight. So mostly have this comment as an addition of info to the video I guess.
This edit is amazing! Color grading on point, the ??? are my fave, and the script is immaculate!! End Gang!!
Spotting myself in the background of the solace boxing ring show （＾∇＾）
And yes there is a load of awesome editing, zooming in and out etc 😊👍👊😀
hell ya, that's so kind
Loved the ending! END GANG !
I saw Catalyst and Sevenbasicplots (also shown in the video) open for Camping In Alaska in Providence and stood right next to Hotstuff Productions! I had no idea who any one was aside from the main act. But the room was electric, I knew I was witnessing something special.
my buddys band just played a show with catalyst
Envy, Heaven in her arms, Nervous light of sunday, Killie, Sans visage, Endzweck are good Japanese Skramz bands that i recommend.
Killie goes hard
So beautiful that this is happening
All my homies tangentially tied with end gang ✊
EG4L
Autobiographic autopsy… where do you come up with this stuff! Amazing. Haha love it so much
Suuuuuuuch a good title
You're awesome Dan 🤘🏻
THANK UUUU AHHH SO KIND 😭😭😭
This video is so cool that it even overrides the warped tour post-hxc/mallcore slander. So much stuff to check out.
Great video, dude 🤘
Your video is doing great. Thanks for sharing.
your support means so much thank u!
Top tier pancakes right here, my dude 💖
Not me finding the genre in 2020, seeing myself in this live set footage, and wearing my Habak hat that I wear near daily at work 😅
This may be your best video yet 🥞
Love it great work!
thank you hotstuff
No State Faults mention? Literally 0 skips band. So good.
I feel like lot of sub-genres of the umbrella category known as Vaporwave also have this "paradox". Skramz hits different though since it's guitar/rock instrumentation based music when there has been such a heavy shift to purely electronic instrumentation over the past couple of decades.
Sano Ex Machina, Fiesta Bizarra, Cassus, Steeples, Choirs, are a few newer bands that have emerged in the past 15 years that I thought did a cool thing with Skramz torch.
Great will be the day when a Zoomer Skramz band can put out an album as hard and well rounded as Lineage Situation by Neil Perry.
If you liked this killer video, check Dan Frampt0n out LIVE most every night 10/10:30pm EST for the best chat on YT!
So glad skramz are getting more attention on social media
Im so glad this video popped up in my recommended. I was on tour with my Prog Metal band (The Judge The Juror if youre looking for something technical, psychedelic and surely to piss off death metal and prog fans alike) and on one of our dates, we played with this band called "Astrology Girl" which was certainly a little more on the emo side of it, but 100 percent had the old screamo feel and they filled me with so much nostalgia, Im stoked to hear that there is a resurgence. Id highly recommend AG btw.
as a zoomie who was a senior when the quarantines began, who played in a band that got pretty popular in the scene (played with vs. self during their first gig), and who often frequents these shows around LA cuz I got friends who love going, it doesnt take alot of science to understand how the fresh minds of youth conform to whatever is trending. Playground mentality, they want to be seen having fun and uphold something as having a good time, so they ride along with whatever is happening. HxC shit is an easy pill to swallow for the youth, it "just sounds cool and rebellious and full of raw energy" I Dont really see this much as a strange phenomenon.
When the zoomies finally discover that imagination in music is really what began "cool" Ie. non conformism, individualism, and creative freedom, etc. thats when history will again pay attention to "rock music" or "popular music" or a future branch for new music.
For now, we plant the seeds of influence.
i feel like theres only rules like that in hardcore bc theres mad oldheads. skramz was actually so small back in the day its wayy bigger now
Great Video!
the only thing about the new wave of scramz is the people that use the look and feel that scramz is about as a trend because of tiktok, when music is derived from emotion and pain, a community that is based around trend and not that same emotion makes the scene less strong and real
Ngl it's kind of wild how much you talk about California bands (almost exclusively?) and then talk about the torch being dropped like the scene wasn't still happened for years inbetween. Like I appreciate you giving love to the newer bands and the legends of our scene, but you really didn't seem to do much research outside of what's popular now for bands from the early 2000s and what's popular now. There were so many incredible bands after that and so many thriving scenes and spaces that you had the opportunity to touch on. There's some genuinely sick stuff I think you'd like if you went back and read up on it!
yeah, flowers taped to pens, ostraca, state faults, loma prieta (mentioned), etc were all bands that kept it going
idk anything about skramz/screamo (sorry, unsure of what to call it lol) but this was in my recommended and i enjoy ur passion for this music :D i will definitely be checking out the bands u recommended!!
i somehow missed a lot of this stuff in the haze of all the old bands reuniting.
Your best video to date 🤘
I love how Midwest guitar noodling is all gen z could draw from how 90s emo sounded 💀
Edit: I'm not disregarding the existence of modern Skramz. I'm talking about emo
Leave Britney alone!
Have you actually heard modern skramz bands?
@@bbqjuanright? like they must've not watched the video. terminally online ass
nah that’s not true. emo violence x mathcore is the main influence; why are you shitting on our scene when you’re not apart of it that’s lame.
@@bbqjuan lol nah prolly not
Let’s gooooooo
Great video! Good job!
Pay attention to skramz in latin america, many new bands coming up
Confusao records, a diy label from vitoria brazil is doing great documenting and sharing some of those, theres oxigenio festival in sao paulo and many others
Emo in brazil is huge and we are out here trying to make screamo a thing
Some sugestions for you all: magnolia, violeta, um quarto emo, saginata, passos largos (last two just recently released a split together!)
Am I hearing Infest style vocals at the end of the Catalyst set?
Yes. Check out the vocalists other band F.A.T.E
Since I found catalyst in 2021 they’ve been my favorite band. Seen them once and need to see them a lot more.
I loved this video! You're doing great lately man. Love it.
Anyone know who the songs played throughout the video are
They are all credited as they play and in credits at the end
I didn't know onewaymirror and knumears were popping like that. Seen both of them live as openers for vsself and seeyouspacecowboy. They're good
2:38 actually yes I have. There is a band called I Don't Want To Know Why The Caged Bird Sings.
Glad I could clear that up for you.
Catalyst is getting me into screamo bro I used to hate screamo too
fuckin makes sense
What’s your opinion over the hardcore and grindcore Bay Area scene like Sunami, Out of Pocket and Aseptic?
Vs self is from my hometown apple valley, I went to a show with maximum 15 ppl and all of the Widowdusk boys were there too I’ll never forget that show bruh
This man is putting in WORK!
Cross my SCROTUM with a knife, GOTEM!
It truly is pretty insane that hearing some of these bands can take me back to a show from 20+ years ago, a band's gotta really rule hard to do that.
6:12 It seems to consist of people that cannot scream or sing conventionally
Wow, 90 seconds in and so much already wrong. Screamo hardcore being "new" to the late 90s, emo and hardcore being "diametrically opposed" when emo was wholly a product of hardcore (even most the whiny indie pop punk bands of the time), and pretending like the underground screaming crying bands are "gigachads" and not the beta cucks compared to the actual chad rockstar bands who dated famous models and actresses and are rich.
"Screamo" aka "chaotic emo hardcore" did not start in the late 90s on the east coast. It started in the early 90s on the west coast in bands like End of the Line, Heroin, John Henry West, Navio Forge, Sleeping Body, Honeywell, Reach Out, Mohinder, and Clikatat Ikatowi, and of course Portraits of Past. There were some east coast bands like Merel and Iconoclast that also presaged screamo but they weren't as well known or influential. then in the southeast this style mixed in with powerviolence and metal which gave birth to the joke genre 'emoviolence' via In/Humanity, which became kinda real in acts like Palatka, End of the Century Party, Eurich, Reversal of Man, and Assfactor 4. THEN you start seeing tristate area bands like Puritan (pre-Hassan I Sabbah), Instil (pre-You & I, Neil Perry, Welcome the Plague Year, The Assistant, This Ship Will Sink, etc), Sky Falls Down (pre-You & I, Hot Cross, Nora, ETID), and Parades End (ex-Remain, Mean Season, Outspoken, pre-Le Shok, FM Bats, The Twilight Transition) start bringing in NYHC mosh metal to the sound. This combined with influence from Canadian bands like Shotmaker, Grade, Union of Uranus, and One Eyed God Prophecy then finally gave birth to the late 90s screamo scene you're talking about. But "skramz" is a catchall for any real emo hardcore so it applies back to even the likes of Moss Icon, Current, Indian Summer, Nuzzle, Maximilian Colby, etc. and the kids now are definitely taking huge inspiration from that era, ie how bands like Julia and September have blown up with zoomer emo kids.
Now time to watch the rest of the video...
lol
Modern screamo would be state faults, on tour now
W vid 🙌
I’d like to add some more to the topic and share about the 2010s screamo scene in the San Francisco and Los Angeles areas. Bands like Loma Prieta, Beau Navire, Calculator, and honestly probably one of the most important sleeper skramz bands LEER. Most of these bands came from the Bay Area and would constantly have shows in places like Pomona and La Puente at places like VLHS and BRIDGETOWN DIY and Alladin Jr (still having skramz shows under a different name) which is where a lot of the bands of skramz bands are coming out now. 2014 to 2017 was an incredible time for skramz and definitely the precursor to everything coming out of SoCal now. Sadly LEER and calculator have broken up but it’s good to see Loma still going at it and Sean being in Jeromes Dream now. California has always had a strong but small skramz music scene even before the 2010s but honestly I’m not too familiar with that time lol
Beast comment 😤🤝
@@danframpt0n thank you bro just had to add to the archives
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