For those of you that say "but base-jumpers deploy way lower than this, whats the prob?). A skydiver rig is more likely to fail than a base rig, so you need the extra time in case you need the reserve.
@hanphilip PLF=Parachute Landing Fall It's a landing technique used to absorb and distribute the energy of the fall through multiple points by landing with feet and knees close together, slightly bent, chin to chest, going into a roll to dissipate the momentum and prevent worse injuries due to hard landings.
I've seen the video where a wingsuiter makes a jump, but had his emergency handles zipped up inside his suit. This absolutely tops that. They should be grounded or limited to solo jumps. They got caught up in entertaining each other.
If you are a wingsooter, you have enough jumps to not be f****** dumb enough to have your emergency handles stowed inside the wingsuit. that m*********** should have had his license revoked
Lesson #1 - Stay altitude aware! Going from a 182 DZ to an Otter DZ back to a 182 DZ, the skydive is over before you know it. I got a Ditter as a backup, maybe I need two! Thanks for posting!!!
Does anyone else agree that was not 400 feet on the downplane cutaway? Looks more like 100-200 max. Either way, they are stupid but in the end (sadly, just the very end) they knew what to do for the best chances.
I wish more folks would man up and admit/post their mistakes online. If nothing else, it serves as a reminder of how easy it is to get into a bad situation and how you really need to watch out for yourself and your fellow jumper. Stay safe up there--
i had one low pull due to a number of factors, swinging by 1250 and it scared the daylights out of me, and once u are in that situation u realise how fast things can go wrong without taking proper care. they teach us all our sfety stuff for a reason. why would anyone with a brain deliberately pull low, i dont want to kill myself and do damage to the sport i love, but it is easy to get complacent and we should try learn from vids like this. glad everyone was ok! lots of beer was required im sure!
@skydiver5975 uh, in our club they teach to NOT unstow brakes. In that case front canopy is in full glide and moves faster, it can end in downplane or cause lines to cross. And if reserve deploys itself by malfunction and you already have brakes open in main canopy, then you must keep brakes within the level they should be before opening.
@Skydvr74 You could go with either option. Although if the canopy is receiving input to steer to the preferred landing area, whether the risers or the toggles are causing any directional changes...the result should be the same (assuming you don't yank the toggles to perform aggressive canopy maneuvers). What kind of separation do you mean?
was there any particular reason for the low pulls? Or just an accident? I went real low one time on accident. One of the only times I was thankful not to have an aad because I probably would have had 2 out as well.
@Skydvr74 I suppose a collapse of the rear is possible if it bites in the "right" way, assuming the front leads as the main accelerator. Both in a downplane seems less likely since they'd likely have to travel in opposite directions if the gap was to remain between the canopies, thus creating two forces pulling apart from each other... in any case, were creating a complex physics scenario with many factors that may influence the outcome. I get what you mean, & tnx for clarifying. Well, safety1st
HOLY SMOKES!!!! I have never seen a bi-plane canopy filmed by the person actually experiencing it before... Good to know that both guys were allright, and they will probably remember to pull at the proper altitude the next couple of jumps :o))
@ItalianPolishGuy It stands for a Parachute Landing Fall. It consits of a 5-contact landing. To perform a PLF, the skydiver should place their feet together, bend their knees slightly, and roll over to one side upon touching the ground. (Ankle, Leg, Thigh, Hip, Shoulder). This will move the weight of the fall over most the skydiver's body.
@NYCEmpire , The manual my DZ gives to the AFF students. Compiled by standard manuals, plus two senior jump masters w/about 30 years of jumping experience, each. Hopefully, I'll never be in the position. Not un-stowing either toggles seems to make sense to me. Anything that could pull the two chutes apart, could create a down-plane.
I just watched it again and it makes sense. A tandem and two solos go out the door. The tandem opens at 5,000. The two solos end up going too low, below 1,000 feet, both have their reserves inflated automatically, one rides it to the ground with a stable biplane, the other has a down plane and cuts it away. No injuries Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote the earlier comment. A voice over or more details in the description would make things clearer for those who don't know what's going on.
I think I don't understand exactly what happend. Why did the first skydiver opend the reserve parachute? And why does the second one open both of them at the same time?
@rrr1sportrider turn as little as possible. there is a danger of the biplane turning into a downplane too low to cut away if you oversteer. land downwind if need be.
asking as a non skydiver, does the cut away canopy not get watched by the others as they float down having a good idea of where it went.... or does that main chute usually blow so far away, it's not found?...thanks
The higher a cutaway is performed, the more likely it is that it will blow further away. Ground crew may spot it for an approximate location, some are lost and some are found. Ultimately the cutaway is used to remedy a critical situation and finding the parachute is secondary to making a safe landing. At 400 ft. the parachute was probably picked up right after landing. Downplane With 2 parachutes at 500ft is pretty bad, good thing this skydiver was ready With the cutaway.
well done in saving your ass's. you survived and learn a lesson. Nice one on cutting away the down-plane so fast. Beer and a roasting from your dz owner/safety officer, safe Jumps guys.
Essentially it registers your speed of descent after whatever altitude it is set at, if your going faster than the speed it will pop your reserve for you.
at least, the tandem instructor was responsible deploing the parachute at good altitude. Good video, showing how some skydivers take some risky behaviors... and it could end in tragedy. By the way, anyone knows what is the song used in this video? Thanks
having to cut away at 400 feet would scare the hell out of me, but at least there's an open canopy at all times. a hard landing with a PLF under a reserve is much better than landing a downplane (which may be the last thing you ever do). expensive lesson, anyway!!
Ummm... no. The main canopy is designed to open smoothly at terminal velocity. However if you reach a certain altitude (usually 850 or so feet) and still haven't pulled an automatic acvtivation device (aad) will deploy the reserve for you. These idiots pulled too low, passed the aad's activation altitude while still travelling too fast and thus had both their main and reserve canopies out
@tuttt99 Not True, No Excuses for their behavior but most accidents are caused from low turns. ADDs have helped with loss of altitude awareness. Two out simply means that the skydivers deployed, but too late. a simple ADD fire would result in one out and problay a hurt ego.
the absolute lowest ive ever been under canopy by was 1600. i dont really make a habit of that because a highly loaded crossbrace canopy is more prone to a mal so i like the etra decision altitude. yeah some people go low and that is their perogative, and im glad you dont. one of my coaches once told me. "id rather have 45 secs of valuable canopy time than 3 secons of freefall," which is so true. if you wanna pull low, base is the way to go. those, unlike skydive canopies, are made to open fast
I had a biplane on my 25th jump. It was cause the rsl on the student rig i was using got caught on the risers when the main deployed. It was a pretty scary situation.
@Skydvr74 You sir, are 1/2 right. But what is beyond you, is on page 31 of the SIM (Skydiver's Information Manual): in case of a biplane, that's one thing you could do, or you could use the risers. I agree, foolish...but they acknowledge it. Perhaps they learned. Quick to strip and judge you are, but take it easy :D
You can't kill someone who is already dead.. A Reserve deploying into a Main can collapse both chutes. It's a roll of the dice, w/no control by the jumper. Very foolish way to risk One's life. BTW, my manual states not to unstow either brakes in a stable Bi-plane. Rear-riser turns, no flare, then PLF. I was kicking myself for popping @2500 last weekend (alti malfunction). These guys make me look good!!
first of all, i threw a camera on my head at 130 jumps so having a camera doesnt mean you are an instructor...besides, theres a difference between a tandem instructor and a camera flyer. BTW i never said that they didnt know what they were doing, i just said that they were dumb. im just curious, are you an avid jumper or did you do a tandem or two?
Could not let this one slip by because you are wrong about the front brakes. Read the SIM Paragraph 5.1.E 3. Stable biplane a. Unstow the brakes on the front canopy and recover gently to full flight. b. Leave the brakes stowed on the rear canopy. c. Steer the front canopy only as necessary to maneuver for a safe landing. d. Use minimal control input as necessary for landing. e. Perform a parachute landing fall.
Hey, this is a 4 month old comment but I figure I might as well reply anyway. Pretty sure it is all one jump, so the video makes sense as is. It just keeps switching back and forth from the red suit's camera to the green suit's camera. What makes you think otherwise? (maybe I missed it)
Dudes love the clip, it was very funny for the only reason it wasnt me. Now for the mind blowingly stupid lack of altitude awareness, Old age is not something your planning is it? :-) Blue Skies dudes...
I counted five cartons of beer.
Great video for showing what can happen when you lose altitude awareness.
For those of you that say "but base-jumpers deploy way lower than this, whats the prob?). A skydiver rig is more likely to fail than a base rig, so you need the extra time in case you need the reserve.
Music makes me feel like I should be 3 pills deep on X tucked away in some hole in the wall deep house gay bar, somewhere in Sweden
Remington Bradley
Damn u just took the words right outta my mouth lol
Remington Bradley
Been there done that haha
You seem to know exactly what you’re talking about.
Jokes on you. I'm 3 pills deep, doing poppers and licking coke of a hookers beef flaps for the past 4 hours.
I’ll bring the glow sticks. Prob need to meet at a different bar tho
Guess that's one way to get the most free-fall for your buck.
Wow!! I was pretty much in total shock while watching this video. Both of those guys are lucky to be alive, and they probably know it.
nice job and thanks for sharing. after initial lack of height awareness you both nailed it from there on! nice! (from NZ).
Just learn from the video and be safe !!!!!!!!!!!!
@hanphilip PLF=Parachute Landing Fall It's a landing technique used to absorb and distribute the energy of the fall through multiple points by landing with feet and knees close together, slightly bent, chin to chest, going into a roll to dissipate the momentum and prevent worse injuries due to hard landings.
I haven't seen these mucht bad spellling en a lung time.
You win😂
@@chase7143 - Thanks
this song made me pregnant
natural 9 😂 😂 that I believe and pretty damn funny comment 😂 your probably a dude which makes it even more the funnier 😂
Think this is gonna get reccomended to everyone soon.
That downplane at low altitude was creepy as hell...
Thanks for posting. Very interesting. I wish I understood the protocol more though. I'm only 2 jumps in. Looks like a lot to learn.
Wow, good video. Love the music choice!
I've seen the video where a wingsuiter makes a jump, but had his emergency handles zipped up inside his suit. This absolutely tops that. They should be grounded or limited to solo jumps. They got caught up in entertaining each other.
If you are a wingsooter, you have enough jumps to not be f****** dumb enough to have your emergency handles stowed inside the wingsuit. that m*********** should have had his license revoked
Lesson #1 - Stay altitude aware!
Going from a 182 DZ to an Otter DZ back to a 182 DZ, the skydive is over before you know it. I got a Ditter as a backup, maybe I need two!
Thanks for posting!!!
Great video, thanks for uploading.
Sums everything up with "basically just being stupid." haha.
Everything. Fabric, bridle length, PC, harness, venting. Go BASE with a skydiving rig and see how many jumps you get before impact.
Wow guys, nice..
Good learning video. Don't make that mistake again. Glad you're alright.
Some rigger just made a boat payment.
Does anyone else agree that was not 400 feet on the downplane cutaway? Looks more like 100-200 max. Either way, they are stupid but in the end (sadly, just the very end) they knew what to do for the best chances.
I wish more folks would man up and admit/post their mistakes online. If nothing else, it serves as a reminder of how easy it is to get into a bad situation and how you really need to watch out for yourself and your fellow jumper.
Stay safe up there--
i had one low pull due to a number of factors, swinging by 1250 and it scared the daylights out of me, and once u are in that situation u realise how fast things can go wrong without taking proper care. they teach us all our sfety stuff for a reason. why would anyone with a brain deliberately pull low, i dont want to kill myself and do damage to the sport i love, but it is easy to get complacent and we should try learn from vids like this. glad everyone was ok! lots of beer was required im sure!
it's simple. these two are uber-lucky to be alive.
I'm glad you could share your life story with everyone.
My instructor used to tell me the CYPRES mucks up the gene pool.
@skydiver5975 uh, in our club they teach to NOT unstow brakes. In that case front canopy is in full glide and moves faster, it can end in downplane or cause lines to cross. And if reserve deploys itself by malfunction and you already have brakes open in main canopy, then you must keep brakes within the level they should be before opening.
@Skydvr74 You could go with either option. Although if the canopy is receiving input to steer to the preferred landing area, whether the risers or the toggles are causing any directional changes...the result should be the same (assuming you don't yank the toggles to perform aggressive canopy maneuvers). What kind of separation do you mean?
Thanks for video
Turn the effing music OFF, and turn up the Screaming:O
The song is called "Are you Ready?" by Magdalene's Dream.
was there any particular reason for the low pulls? Or just an accident? I went real low one time on accident. One of the only times I was thankful not to have an aad because I probably would have had 2 out as well.
Nice work on the description. You might save a life or two with this video.
2000' next to his buddy< should have put in a hard track!
you guys having to much fun out there;-)
Awesome song choice, really messed up situation. But hey, we all get to choose our own life, and if you wanted a close call you sure got one!
You know this is the internet right? WE CANT SEE YOU.
nothing more scary than the ground coming up
@Skydvr74 I suppose a collapse of the rear is possible if it bites in the "right" way, assuming the front leads as the main accelerator. Both in a downplane seems less likely since they'd likely have to travel in opposite directions if the gap was to remain between the canopies, thus creating two forces pulling apart from each other... in any case, were creating a complex physics scenario with many factors that may influence the outcome. I get what you mean, & tnx for clarifying. Well, safety1st
Critizim accepted but be nice about it or I will remove the video
HOLY SMOKES!!!! I have never seen a bi-plane canopy filmed by the person actually experiencing it before...
Good to know that both guys were allright, and they will probably remember to pull at the proper altitude the next couple of jumps :o))
@ItalianPolishGuy It stands for a Parachute Landing Fall. It consits of a 5-contact landing. To perform a PLF, the skydiver should place their feet together, bend their knees slightly, and roll over to one side upon touching the ground. (Ankle, Leg, Thigh, Hip, Shoulder). This will move the weight of the fall over most the skydiver's body.
@NYCEmpire ,
The manual my DZ gives to the AFF students. Compiled by standard manuals, plus two senior jump masters w/about 30 years of jumping experience, each. Hopefully, I'll never be in the position. Not un-stowing either toggles seems to make sense to me. Anything that could pull the two chutes apart, could create a down-plane.
ohhh alright thanks for explaining that for me
i don't understand at witch altitude u must deploy your parachute? in meters if you can tell me please?
I just watched it again and it makes sense. A tandem and two solos go out the door. The tandem opens at 5,000. The two solos end up going too low, below 1,000 feet, both have their reserves inflated automatically, one rides it to the ground with a stable biplane, the other has a down plane and cuts it away. No injuries
Not sure what I was thinking when I wrote the earlier comment. A voice over or more details in the description would make things clearer for those who don't know what's going on.
Not "2 solos" clearly one was the video for the tandem. There's nothing good about this,from the tandem master to the 2 fools.
nice biplane
I am a layman in this field... please let me know if the reserve gets automatically deployed upon falling to a certain height?....
I think I don't understand exactly what happend. Why did the first skydiver opend the reserve parachute?
And why does the second one open both of them at the same time?
Skydiver's motto..."Either do something or die" !!!
cutaway at 400ft, thats gotta be pretty fucken scary
@rrr1sportrider turn as little as possible. there is a danger of the biplane turning into a downplane too low to cut away if you oversteer. land downwind if need be.
Is it so hard to buy audible altimeter?
asking as a non skydiver, does the cut away canopy not get watched by the others as they float down having a good idea of where it went.... or does that main chute usually blow so far away, it's not found?...thanks
The higher a cutaway is performed, the more likely it is that it will blow further away. Ground crew may spot it for an approximate location, some are lost and some are found. Ultimately the cutaway is used to remedy a critical situation and finding the parachute is secondary to making a safe landing. At 400 ft. the parachute was probably picked up right after landing. Downplane With 2 parachutes at 500ft is pretty bad, good thing this skydiver was ready With the cutaway.
Cool music
that was amazing.
well done in saving your ass's. you survived and learn a lesson. Nice one on cutting away the down-plane so fast. Beer and a roasting from your dz owner/safety officer, safe Jumps guys.
Question from a non skydiver- how does the auto deployment on the reserve know the mains not deployed?
Essentially it registers your speed of descent after whatever altitude it is set at, if your going faster than the speed it will pop your reserve for you.
yes very helpful when learning
at least, the tandem instructor was responsible deploing the parachute at good altitude.
Good video, showing how some skydivers take some risky behaviors... and it could end in tragedy.
By the way, anyone knows what is the song used in this video? Thanks
was this jump done on purpose to demonstrate what you not have to do? it s a good summary!
@neomuttley Which manual? I know the up to date USPA.com SIM states to unstow (page 31).
@204shooter I believe your instructor would be well within his rights too. I hear they both got grounded fo a month over this.
Incredible.
thenks for the video!
the name of the track by the way?
A Bi-plane is awful - These guys were friggin lucky. Their stupidity was staggering. Was this a dare or what??
having to cut away at 400 feet would scare the hell out of me, but at least there's an open canopy at all times. a hard landing with a PLF under a reserve is much better than landing a downplane (which may be the last thing you ever do). expensive lesson, anyway!!
@neomuttley I suppose both methods are alright since the USPA acknowledges both and your local DZ teaches the risers.
Loss of altitude awareness. Cause of most skydiving fatalities.
Let me get this. If you pull at too low altitude your main canopy will break due to increased speed. And you have two reserve parachutes?
Ummm... no. The main canopy is designed to open smoothly at terminal velocity. However if you reach a certain altitude (usually 850 or so feet) and still haven't pulled an automatic acvtivation device (aad) will deploy the reserve for you. These idiots pulled too low, passed the aad's activation altitude while still travelling too fast and thus had both their main and reserve canopies out
@tuttt99 Not True, No Excuses for their behavior but most accidents are caused from low turns. ADDs have helped with loss of altitude awareness. Two out simply means that the skydivers deployed, but too late. a simple ADD fire would result in one out and problay a hurt ego.
the absolute lowest ive ever been under canopy by was 1600. i dont really make a habit of that because a highly loaded crossbrace canopy is more prone to a mal so i like the etra decision altitude. yeah some people go low and that is their perogative, and im glad you dont. one of my coaches once told me. "id rather have 45 secs of valuable canopy time than 3 secons of freefall," which is so true. if you wanna pull low, base is the way to go. those, unlike skydive canopies, are made to open fast
I had a biplane on my 25th jump. It was cause the rsl on the student rig i was using got caught on the risers when the main deployed. It was a pretty scary situation.
@rrr1sportrider 800m or 8000 cuz 4000m is the jump alt
Because a BASE jump is almost always subterminal and BASE rigs are even more reliable than a skydiving reserve.
@Steaksngainers abbreviation for parachute landing fall.
omg that was crazy!!
haha kick ass guys! This was a "first to pull buys beers" right? (If you survive) lol
Freeflyin Base But then ! if no one pulls they both pay for nothing
@Skydvr74 You sir, are 1/2 right. But what is beyond you, is on page 31 of the SIM (Skydiver's Information Manual): in case of a biplane, that's one thing you could do, or you could use the risers. I agree, foolish...but they acknowledge it. Perhaps they learned. Quick to strip and judge you are, but take it easy :D
You can't kill someone who is already dead.. A Reserve deploying into a Main can collapse both chutes. It's a roll of the dice, w/no control by the jumper. Very foolish way to risk One's life. BTW, my manual states not to unstow either brakes in a stable Bi-plane. Rear-riser turns, no flare, then PLF. I was kicking myself for popping @2500 last weekend (alti malfunction). These guys make me look good!!
whats this track called?? great song!
Damn, Our CCI would have us grounded indefinitely for pulling a stunt like that.......
God, this was scary to watch as it showed a HUGE lack of altitude awareness.
Naughty naughty very naughty
first of all, i threw a camera on my head at 130 jumps so having a camera doesnt mean you are an instructor...besides, theres a difference between a tandem instructor and a camera flyer. BTW i never said that they didnt know what they were doing, i just said that they were dumb. im just curious, are you an avid jumper or did you do a tandem or two?
Could not let this one slip by because you are wrong about the front brakes. Read the SIM Paragraph 5.1.E
3. Stable biplane
a. Unstow the brakes on the front canopy and recover gently to full flight.
b. Leave the brakes stowed on the rear canopy.
c. Steer the front canopy only as necessary to maneuver for a safe landing.
d. Use minimal control input as necessary for landing.
e. Perform a parachute landing fall.
Hey, this is a 4 month old comment but I figure I might as well reply anyway.
Pretty sure it is all one jump, so the video makes sense as is. It just keeps switching back and forth from the red suit's camera to the green suit's camera. What makes you think otherwise? (maybe I missed it)
And just how exactly should I know or care what color you are?
Why did the guy shake the jaw of the other diver???
@LZmiljoona they both were so low that reserve parachutes deployed automatically.
WOW!
That was awesome. well funny crack
cut the main while reserve also up, bad or worse is like really asking for death after failing error after error.
@rrr1sportrider Dude don't ask me I've only done 2 jumps!! LOL I'd think just follow landing procedure, especially if you're not sure up there.
where does the d-bag go during deployment?
That was epic, that downplane was anus mauling! Good job keep it up needs to be more dangerous!
Dudes love the clip, it was very funny for the only reason it wasnt me.
Now for the mind blowingly stupid lack of altitude awareness, Old age is not something your planning is it? :-)
Blue Skies dudes...
lol my instructor said if you ever deploy the cypress you should just quit skydiving. Fuck opening that low like.
why can't you just cut off your main when they're both deployed? will it get tangeled in the reserve? (I'm a beginner, only did 1 AFF jump)
I love seeing comments like yours from nearly a decade ago and then seeing your user thumbnail doing a head up skydive.