With new gates, BART cracks down on fare evasion
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- čas přidán 10. 09. 2024
- BART is installing high-tech gates at San Francisco Civic Center station. Kara St. Cyr reports. (7-18-24)
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How about random, undercover BART Police, ready to give out citations to fair evaders?
Oh, of course not.
It makes too much sense to do that.
And people will pay those citations, right? Better to prevent the revenue loss up front.
@@curiouspenguin6887 No they won't, but there has to be some check on lawlessness in BART. Station agents are too afraid to do anything because they are alone with no backup.
They are there.
@@pcatful how many
@@pcatfulAnd they're arresting black men for eating sandwiches, who paid for their ticket.
Either enforce fare collection or make BART free for everyone. The current situation rewards cheaters and penalizes honest people. Worse, it teaches young people that cheating is "smart" and honesty is for morons - not exactly what a public agency should be doing.
Do you, did you not know how politicians think?
If they taxed even 10% of tax dodging banks in NYC it would be free. 💀 Trump was hardly the only one committing fraud.
Seems like the wrong video title. More like . . . “Lack of Enforcement Against Criminal Fare Evaders force BART to spend millions to install Upgraded Gates.”
Cindy’s Chavez is the one response since she’s the executive of the board
Adding engineering controls would probably perform better than patrols. Criminals will just watch till their eyes are turned, or take advantage of areas outside transit that are starved for enforcement by adding more here. Automation will never get tired or distracted and is a one time buy vs bi weekly with annual raises, overtime, and benefits.
@@U23721 I am not against engineering controls. They are one facet of the “Three Es”. There is a certain level of utility in positivity identifying the criminal element that are trying to access the system. The identification from these enforcement contacts will make finding perpetrators easier as they commit other crimes within the transportation system. Ignoring crimes by the transportation authority is a big fail.
Wages to pay for effective human security are way too prohibitive.
@@doujinflip Without effective Law Enforcement l guess we must expect the collapse of many facets of the public transportation system in the next few years as unless you are of military age and physical condition, it will become too dangerous for most to consider using for routine travel. This is already evidenced by the decreasing number of riders within the BART system. Closing the system will save money for all parties involved except the public.
Keep putting em up!
“And we’ll keep on knocking em down” or however that poor choice of quote you used goes.
What’s the cost of the train over there? This seems so extreme… 😅
I just returned from Japan. The gates at subway or train stations in Japan often don't close, and passengers still tap to pay. Japan lacks a particular group of people, and the culture is different.
By "particular group of people" you mean people like Sam Bankman-Fried, Elizabeth Holmes and Donald J. Trump, right? Shameless fraudsters and cheats who think honesty is for suckers?
@@jasonlucas2328 poor people?
Based on who I saw fare evading, I would say that the Japanese lack poor and/or selfish Americans.
Extreme cultural difference. I applaud the Japanese.
@@theWZZA you know what kind of people he's referring to.
At 0:50, you could see parents training their kids to be criminals. Fare evasion is the first step.
BART is complicit, by choosing to not arrest and prosecute fare evaders. It's a tiny part of a much bigger picture of moral decay, in a society where a tax cheating fraudster and convict is somehow seen as upstanding, caring and smart, and worthy of being President again. Cheating not only is the new normal, it is in fact celebrated.
That's sad. Next step: I was walking by our little neighborhood park a few weeks ago and a woman and two kids were breaking bottles out of a bag against a wall . She was showing a girl of about 4 or 5 how to throw the bottle so it would break. When I called them on it they were just rude and wouldn't stop, including the little boy about 10.
@@pcatful worthless humans . just taking up space
It’s not that deep 😂
It starts in the womb
If they are willing to drop 90 million for these new gates, it must mean they calculated that their estimated losses due to gate hoppers is over that amount. Insane.
Nah, it's all Other People's Money that flows from an endless spigot.
They'll just use the emergency exit. Seen that before.
Emergency exits won’t be available I’ll bet
There won't be any emergency exits anymore. The new fare gates automatically convert to emergency exits in the case of an emergency. All the gates just open when the alarm is pulled. The old emergency exits will be replaced by a new gate or welded shut.
That's part of why BART chose this design in the first place!
@@TohaBgood2Ah, there you are. I asked you several months ago where you were getting the information regarding all these Korean made gates. You never answered! Can you answer me?
@@juicyfruit6311 It's on their website. The company is called STraffic. It's a Samsung spin-off.
took them 10 years to do this and only 2 stations are done lmao. What a joke.
I agree, too little, too late. And they need a police presence to deter fare evasion and other bad behavior on BART.
They’ve been testing different kinds of
@@andreal2625 they've been busy giving themselves raises.
@@theWZZA Too late? why? are they shutting down BART soon after? Are they closing stations?
@@theWZZA yall in sf are so spoiled when it comes to subways. Come to la and not only is the metro made up of 50% questionable folks, but the police are too scared to board. I'm astounded that you guys even have working gates and subways that get cleaned 🤣
$90,000,000 / 700 fate gates is $128,571 per fare gate.
I suspect that this costs includes paying the workers for the installation and other services that involve the installation.
I still find it overly expensive that each fare gate installation is $128,000.
Reminder that the maintenance and operating expense to run these will be $2,000,000 / per year
Dems will pocket the difference.
It would be helpful to know how much revenue this will generate. In other words, how much are they losing to fare jumpers? Will be be a net gain?
It definitely does not cost 2,000,000 a year to havea gate 😂
@@spocksvulcanbrain About $25 million is estimated to be lost to fare evasion each year on BART, so these will pay off in just a few years! If those estimates are correct.
But the data from the West Oakland demo site suggests that the number is much higher! If BART can get 10% more fare revenue at all the stations with the new gates like they did at the demo station at West Oakland then they'll get something closer to $50-80 million! So full payout in less than two years!
@@rcchin7897they will pcoket the difference of standard market rate prices? So nothing? Impressive
I have seen that guy pushes the gate at Powell Street station. I was wondering how he did it.
Right at civic center! Good job! , they going to walk to next stations in downtown area lol. At least something’s being done. Hopefully works good!
They’ll just climb over the top same as how they climbed over the border wall
Those won’t work. Metal turn style floor to ceiling like NYC are needed. Also, walls to prevent hopping inside the system are needed.
NYC native here... those old full length turnstyle gates are very rare and no new ones have been installed in decades. They don't allow anyone who needs more space to enter, be it large bags, bikes, or wheelchairs. Instead NYC just spent millions on 2/3 length gates which people figured out could easily be bypassed by reaching over at an angle and triggering the exit sensors with your hand. The BART design looks far superior.
Try a $500 fine for gate jumpers. Word will get around fast, and it will pay for the person writing the citations.
People will just piggyback with these fare gates.
Yup haha happened to me in Greece and it will definitely happen here too
which people?
Happens all the time in NY and they already have these gates
@@HiThisIsMine No they don't. They have a different model from a different vendor. These gates have a computer vision system that can detect bikes and wheelchairs and... fare evaders trying to piggyback.
The gates have a built-in computer vision system that detects that and simply doesn't open the gate if two people are trying to enter.
Shouldn't be allowed to get federal funds for their debacle.
$128,000 per gate 🤔
How many fare evaders need to be stopped before the break even point?
Roughly a month.
@@whoknowswhocares885
Provide a link to support your narrative
That would be 25000 fare evaders in a month
Bart needs armed guards on every train to protect riders .
Would be just another excuse to increase fares to even more ridiculous levels.
no they don't
They've recently introduced police foot patrols and BART did get about 1000x safer and cleaner since!
@@TohaBgood2Really? Proof?
What I see with the new gates is people waiting by the gate and scooting in closely behind somebody who paid. They don't prevent that and it's actually a little scary to have someone so closely follow you through.
"What are you going to do? Are you going to arrest me? Are you going to give me a ticket?"
Yes!
I am just going to call you a democrat
Yeah, they literally have fare inspectors that will give you a ticket patrolling the train now.
Money to install gates to collect a fare, but no money for platform barriers that can keep commuters safe.
nyc make a great gate for fare evasion but they keep the emergency exit easily access which actually the loophole.
90mil. I wonder what that 11% increase in fares came out to and how long it would take to break even 😂
They had 4.1 million trips last month with an average fare of $4.43. So an 11% increase increases revenue by $2m/month. It would be repaid in about 5 years.
@damonhtoo It would probably be repaid sooner because the percentage would go up as more stations got the new gates. Right now, people might be able to avoid the stations with the new gates, but not forever.
Spending $90 million, but is running on $35 million in emergency state funds.
89 million is going to contractors pockets to enrich city halls friends
@@mrxman581another important fact to consider is increased safety on the trains, increasing confidence in the system and encouraging people to ride again.
Fare evaders are far more likely to be doing other crimes on the train and keeping them out will make it safer to ride BART
$90m dollars to replace 700 gates...Hmmm, that's ~$129K per gate. Someone is getting ripped off.
Or pocketed the money
It's more than just paying for a gate, it's also contracting companies for planning, design, and insitaltion, as well as labor.
@e : CA Dems are learning a lot from their CCP masters.
@@nickoli0101 Right, it's not just raw parts that were standardized decades ago. This is basically a new build, like every other public transit project that Americans refuse to create and enforce technical standards on.
hate Bart, always smells like pee. Especially the elevators smh.
LOL IN HOLLYWOOD AS WELL 😦
Good start. You should also have security at every gate so people don’t start to destroy the new gates, which I’m sure they will figure out how to do eventually.
Its still a homeless train from 8pm to 12am 😂
where are the security guards
How did our Bay Area become so unfortunate? This looks like a door of a prison. It’s become necessary to prioritize funding to make criminals behave themselves in this space. Sad, just sad.
Gavin pretending to care
They'll just start doing what they do in NYC. They'll just open the emergency exit and let people in the back way. You'll never stop any of it.
BART should be free. Bay Area people are rich
I hope they do this with all stations to keep crazies and criminals out.
Gates won't work. Classical music will though... Bach is like garlic to a vampire... Edmonton Symphony Orchestra recordings are now being used on loop 24/7 in our subway stations to deter druggo's and psycopaths from making the tunnels and platforms home and so far so good a few months in... Haven't heard of nearly the same level of manslaughtery mayhem that made me stop using it a few years back...
They shoukd have police standby beside the new installed doors. So you can screen them properly
@@Ryan-he2qz standing post at 700 doors??? Waste of logistics
Police make $400k a year in SF. They are 2 percenters. Can’t waste their time watching gates.
the bart lady voice gives me anxiety
You need a safe space???
@@jonnyfendi2003 haha
In Germany, everything is on the honor system and they have no problems
Sometimes there’s people that get on without paying.
An acquaintance of mine that knows better, didn’t have money with her to buy a ticket and just got on, but she was out of luck that day and she had to pay fine. Plus they asked for her ID to write her up.
Need these in LA! With expansion happening soon we need to invest in these.
This is a huge waste of money. The cost and maintenance will far outweigh fare collections.
We have the smart gates in Stockholm, it doesn’t help. Also public transport is losing money aswell. 20% less than before the pandemic, it’s a failure in sociaity. If you can get away wo paying some will just do it every day. The fine over here is $150
But there aren’t enough controls or policeofficers around.
$90,000,000/700 gates = $128,571.41 per gate. That's insane.
Look at those model parents, raising the future of America.
NY Subway have these types of gates long before SF does and they still have lots of free riders and of course criminals in stations and trains.
You should be happy they are using transit. I'd hate to imagine people like that behind the wheel...
When I lived in New York City I saw kids jumping over the subway thing.. I realized that locals didn't pay.
Bart need to add escalators going down. Its ridiculous that u have to walked down the other end of the street to catch the elevator or find one going downward.
Every time I see news segment about fare evasion I chuckle a little; 90% of the evaders are from the same demographic but the news always tries so hard to get anyone but “them” on camera
🤦🏿♂️ y’all make everything about race its honestly sad that all y’all see is skin color
Another foreign troll that has never been to the US.
@@jaquanpowell4605it's behavioral patterns Jaquan. Everyone notices, not just "y'all".
@@hyphydan smh then talk about everyone hopping Bart not just one demographic
Ah yes, spend 90 Million Dollars to stop fare evasion while their service stays abysmal. Why doesn't BART make a service worth paying for?
because it needs the revenue to do that, it's a never-ending cycle.
What service are you talking about? Stopping fare evasion will decrease deplorables on trains so your life will be just. abit better.
I guess it's all a matter of perspective. I've lived in Los Angeles for the past 40+ years, but visited the Bay Area many times. I have _wished_ LA Metro was as pleasant an experience to ride as BART for as long as I can remember.
BART is making efforts to improve and people still complain... The public has been asking for better fare gates for a long time. Even though it shouldn't have taken this long, this is a step toward keeping drug users, panhandlers and smelly homeless off the trains which is what paying riders want. This is a win. Be happy.
Curious is NYC subway going to do the Samething
One minute in - teaching your young kids to steal. Great parenting.
Make it free (taxpayer funded) and be done with it. The few extra bucks to do that won’t be that much and it satisfies the mandates of the governor to use public transportation
BART and MUNI employees need to step up in arresting fare evaders. Just wait till the there are lesser trains and buses and public transit employees get laid off. Wake up people you’re going to suffer from this as well. It will trickle down.
Pay up or stay off why should I be paying fair when people are not around me?
A lot more old people are going to get assaulted from behind when fare evaders push them through when they swipe.
Not mentioned - how much is fare evasion costing BART? Need that to see if the $90 million plus annual maintenance and upkeep is worth it. There must have been a cost-benefit analysis performed.
people are still going to find ways to jump the fare, even with these advanced gates. these upgrades are not necessarily the answer!
@@tventures2 May not be "the" answer, but if it's a net positive in revenue, I don't see why anyone should complain. Doing something that doesn't solve the problem 100% is better than doing nothing at 0%.
It's also for safety, not just for fare evasion..fare evaders and criminal activity tends to intersect quite a bit
It's about time, we need these new fare gates at BART. Fare evasion is the number 1 growing concern on public transportation systems like BART. 👍
If BART is running that big a deficit, then it seems like its services are really not needed. If the city wants to make it work, privatize it.
Crazy idea.. Arrest people who evade fares, hold them in jail for 12 hours, then release them. I can assure you when people find out they have to waste 12 hours of time if they get caught, they'll stop breaking the law. Pretty sure that would cost less than the 90 million.
I can't believe it's taken California this long to get with the program. It's not like this in Europe. You pay or you don't get in.
In Germany you can literally walk on any train, s-bahn, ubahn without a ticket. Dont get caught but you can do it. There are no gates on trains in Germany.
@@aa777flyer that’s true you can walk on the street car without paying also however every so often there’s a man with the uniform to check everyone’s tickets and if you don’t have a ticket, you will get a big fine and also asked for your ID to be written up also.
I know because one of my friends who’s German got on without paying and she later told me about what happened to her. She usually pays, but that time she didn’t have money to buy a ticket with her so she thought she could get away with it.
@@aa777flyer also if you get on a intercity Xpress or a S bahn without paying then you’ll definitely pay when the staff comes by and you’re actually have to pay more because it cost more paying on the train then if you had paid for a ticket in the first place.
Still doesn't address the tailgating problem.
In Munich not a single station has gates and fare evasion hovers around 2-3% at random ticket checks.
Looks much better than the ones at nyc mta.
So does that mean when this project is complete that they will replace the useless station agents?
Or is BART going to keep them around to further the false narrative of a “fiscal cliff”?
Why don't they put regular police officers on stations who will be stopping people for not paying fare and writing them a citation? Once they see that police really fine people for evasion they will behave.
Why are they not checking tickets randomly on the subway, if you do not have a ticket charge them. BC trans does that…
Why BART won’t install platform barriers?
Because life is cheap.
Educate yourself, skytrain platform isn't designed for certain add on because of how long they were made ago.
Expensive. They need to install all the new fare gates first.
Why won't people just use common sense?
If you have to ask this, then you're not very smart.
This is what happens when your state culture is "gimme gimme, I shouldn't have to work for it."
You will never see something like this in Japan, it's also pretty rare in Europe by comparison but it does happen. When you respect your community you show it, these people do not respect this community. All the state has to do is take some homeless people off the street, give them a job watching the gate for "Fare evaders" and give them the authority to arrest them. $1,500 fine per fare evasion.
No need for expensive machines, and you've gotten some of the MANY homeless you have off the street.
$90,000,000.00 to replace only 700 gates? Wow the tax payers are buying someone a new mansion. This reeks of state corruption. You could build 180 REALLY nice homes for that, you could build over 1,000 apartment units with that. No wonder everyone in California is homeless. I've been to Oakland before the pandemic, I literally couldn't go thirty feet without seeing a homeless person sleeping on the sidewalk, under the tree, behind a dumpster, etc.
If you get caught jumping the gates you get a lifetime ban.
Meanwhile in other countries: you have gates? We have Tickets for the month and have sometimes controlls in the train and you get a fine then...
Its a social community thing not a criminal issue. Sorciity is a problem
Great idea to make them clear
They need better than the new gates.
Find the loophole wait for somebody to pay to open up the gate and walk behind them
Awesome!!! Finally!!
Arrest people who evade fares and make them pay a fine...plus if it's on their record then they'll try to stay away
bart isnt worried, newsom will bail em out
Enforcement of the existing laws.. Garnish the EBT and wages of fare evaders, you know, penalties.
Ain’t stopping me 😂😂
Are telling me walls keep people from crossing illegally and forces them to legally enter through ports of entry? WOW if only we can harness such technology
It’s like you’re living in parallel world. I recall how US was set as an example to third world when it came to technology, laws, rules and regulations. Looking at this, feels like people are being let go free even if they break rules.
Chasing pennies while spending millions
At $90 million it’s probably cheaper and more strategic just to lower the cost of fares or make BART free.
With all the money that the city earned the last 20years, how are they at negative $35million?
How about you create gates anti homeless too 🤔
Reminds me of City 17
It’s about time
They going break it! In time!
It's called money laundering: come up with expensive projects that try to solve a problem. No accountability. Get payed for working on that project like a big boss with plenty of employees. Then move on to another project. In California there is always a problem to solve and tax dollars to spend.
How is that safe in case of fire?
I was going to make a joke but this is a step in the right direction.
When a wheelchair user, bicyclist or parent with stroller goes through the accessible gate, other people just appears and shove past them.
I’m here in NYC thinking it was bad here on New York City transit.
What's going to stop them from going to the next station n hop on
That’s just like in New York City
Police presence is also a must
90 million divided by 700 gates is equal to 128,571.43 dls per gate, I don’t know what you taxpayer think of the number but I think that’s an inefficient high price per gate.
Until people respect the rule of law no amount of deterrent is going to prevent this.
About time BART updates their fare gates lmao
Sad That NYC Dosent Have That Only 2 Stations Not All 472
They will be removed in a few months as passenger numbers plummet
Gates made in Korea. Solid and inpenetrable.
Why don’t you have an employee. Just like at Disneyland 😂
And what would the do? The fare evaders would just assault them.