Neighboring Clearcut Wipes Out My Timber - Timber Company Apocalypse
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- čas přidán 17. 08. 2023
- I show you the catastrophe that happened on my forest land that changed my plans for the summer. The timber company that owns the land next to my forest land, clear cut their timber. This caused a bunch of my timber to blow down last winter. Some of these are very big trees. Way too large to be able to mill on my Woodmizer LT15 sawmill. I would need a swing blade mill like a Lucas mill to mill some of them. I have to decide how to salvage all this wood before it rots. Some will just get cut into firewood. 
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That's a real shame. Some incredible trees went down. Looking forward to see how you ultimately deal with those big boys.
Yeah I’m looking forward to seeing how I do it too,. I’m still working on those details.
for the last 4 years we've been doing fire mitigation on a 125 acre ponderosa forest. Since we have limited time we do blow downs and those close to structures first. That entails cleaning up branches and tops, chipping all. If the log is sound all cuts get painted to slow drying checks and keep it off the ground. then it's back to thining small trees and leaners for the first pass. Interesting that even on this small plot there are at least four distinct growing areas. where? top of Black Forest in Colorado. So trim and paint to give yourself more time to decide.
Would make great beams for timberframe houses
“What would you do?” Sorry, I’m a retired welding inspector in North Carolina. And yes, I can hear you now. All I can do is wait breathlessly for you to decide.
But I sure do enjoy your videos.
I have almost the same issues. You’re a smart guy and I appreciate your clear understanding and presentation of the situation. It’s a shame to see the enormous waste and damage as a result of corporate and clear cut logging practices. You’d think that would be addressed in their timber harvest plan, but Ive never seen any attention to protection of neighboring stands from wind.
It seems to be a common situation and I have never heard of the timber companies admitting fault. It would be nice if they would take some responsibility but probably too much to ask from the corporate machine.
@@WilsonForestLands I remember there was supposed to be some changes to how they cleared stands after that huuuuge storm we had at the end of 2007 that made toothpicks out of everything (at least on the north coast around Astoria, etc) but apparently that didn't happen after all. But you're right in that's exactly how blowdowns happen on the edge of clearcuts, it's crazy that enough non-WH/GP landowners haven't gotten together yet to make some changes, but I guess even those big landowners are tiny compared to the big timber companies (or they lease to WH so they don't care) and if there's one thing Oregon politicians know it's to not piss those guys off $$$
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Wind is an act og God. They´ll day that for sure.
You´re fucked good. And so bad for these trees. What a waste 😮
Which state is your coastal property in? (thinking winds)
1. Good video
2. It hurts to see those trees laying there with no easy way to us them.
3. Very impressed with your wireless mike.
4. Waiting to see more videos on this.
5. Dave
1. Thank you Dave
2. I will try to keep wood splitting videos to a minimum.
3. That sure is a nice portable, hydraulic log handling and wider cutting LT40 you have there. Any interest in trading it for my LT15?
If you weren't 3000 miles away I'd come there to mill some of those logs.
But you are, so I won't.
Love your videos!
Thank you
Thanks for the video and the perspective.
You are welcome, thanks for watching and commenting.
firewood and alaskan mill slab the big guys into cabin like your channel cheers from ontario
I would probably do exactly what you’re doing, turn most of into firewood and the slash into CWD, (course woody debris) to decompose on the forest floor. I might stack some of the logs for later or especially with the large logs maybe let them lay where they are as nurse logs to slowly decompose on site. Maybe even level a few of them or get creative and build benches from them or erosion control features out of them. An Alaska chainsaw mill and some rip chains could come in handy.
thanks again for sharing this information, answered. my questions plus ones i did not think off. good luck with your firewood business
Thanks for the comment.
Thanks for the comment.
I use an 064 Stilh with a 16 in bar. much lighter on the small stuff.
Wooden boatbuilers would love to have some that long l ength clear wood. It would make ship masts, or tall columns, planking.
You have some beautiful scenery. It’s a shame when you clear cut timber. I always cut timber in a selective manner. The bad tress get removed and out cutting helps improve stand of trees. Oh well it takes all kinds I guess.
Sounds like you are doing it the right way. That’s the way I like to do it too.
There really should be requirements for leaving some trees on the borders of your property when clean cutting to prevent damages to your neighbours' land. Splitting the logs into managble piece and haul them to the mill might be the best option. Possibly investing in in something like Logosol's portable Big Mill slabber.
Heartbreaking; all those big, beautiful, old Doug-fir.
They were probably young trees that finally got a chance to grow following the Columbus Day windstorm in 1962.
Also, it isn't just the Doug-fir, one must consider all the collateral damage, (5:12 mark) of what were healthy young trees; alder, maple, *sigh*.
Habitat loss. Critters and birds displaced.
So disheartening, so wasteful.
In watching this, I'm having a PTSD flashback of this past winter on my West boundary, exactly the same situation. (Although, I won't say the timber company followed "best practices" in their, ahem, quality of work.)
My West boundary will take years to recover from the tangled mess and broken tops, etc. (again, *sigh*)
Gave you a "like" -- again, for your efforts, not for the scenes of destruction.
Cheers from a (slightly cooler and less smoky) Willamette Valley.
Most of those hardwoods were Pepperwood, (a.k.a. Oregon Myrtle, California bay laurel). If anyone is happy about the situation, the hairy woodpeckers are all over these logs taking advantage of the bugs getting into them. It’s unfortunate this happened but I have restoration plans for this spot. It will be turned into something good again.
So, what is the proper way of tree cutting? I have a lot of trees on my property and kind of tired of them because I can't grow much in the garden if it's shaded by all these trees. So, I think a clear cut is an answer, but will it cause tree damage on neighbor's property, soil erosion and maybe wind damage to he house itself which sort of protected by those trees from a wind, but, on the other hand, they could fall on it any time?
Think your doing the right move, to bad those saw logs maybe into blue stain in the sapwood. Not sure what the price is currently for full sawn R-list clears but definitely has diameter and the B clear quality needed for grade. If it was me and had the means, I would saw into Timbers at least you could preserve them and always a need for them.
if I had the tractor or material handling equipment I might think about chainsaw milling them into timbers or slabs. But two round trips out of the area to go get the tractor then bring it back when I’m done. Plus there’s no lack of wood on this place or the other place if I ever need timbers. It just keeps pointing back to firewood.
Interesting. obviously it takes a number of years for those big ones to grow 80+. Is the failures that have occurred not advantageous with regards sustainable management of your land? Gaps are created from the fallen trees which will allow natural regeneration and different age classes of trees. I’m not a forester or making money from silvicultural practices but would be interested in hearing your viewpoint.
Firewood is a great idea!
So far it’s the idea that is working out best for this situation.
Sort through mess then stack the prime logs off the ground until you accumulate enough to sell raw logs to mill
The mills in this area won’t buy the logs unless they can be certified sustainable. The bureaucratic nonsense to do that is cost prohibitive for small quantities like this. The road would have to be reworked to get a log truck in. Self Loader‘s aren’t really a thing in this area. They would have to bring a loader in. Not worth it for this small amount. Your suggestion is good for other areas, like at my other property. The timber industry in this area is not set up for small quantities.
Thanks for the reply and further insight. Yes certified sustainable is another scam designed to keep the grass roots and small business guys down.
Those are some really nice logs. Did they have root rot? The swell on the butt made me wonder. That would make a lot of amazing firewood if you didn't manage to get it to your mill. I bet you could get the logs down and have a self loader come out though.
I'm late discovering your channel and and watching your videos as i can so I'm 8 months lathe watching this one ! SO If i were you, but I'm not, and i don't know what America is like or forestry or you, but if i were you and i lived in Scotland and i had land like you have, Id take all that wood and build a Barn ! Then I'd fill that barn with lumber and store it until the prices were GOOD !
What a """""""" mes, that's going to take some time to sort out. David UK.
Yeah I should have got started on it earlier in the summer.
What a mess! Hope you can salvage enough to make up your losses
Yep it’s a mess, and I would rather have those trees standing, but I expect I will come out well on it with the wood.
How long do you reckon the newly exposed trees take to toughen up to withstand the winds that they didn’t previously face? Or do they ever? Take care🇺🇸🇺🇸
Good question. Some appeared to have snapped and the rest will adapt and get stronger and bigger with the new light where used to be fairly dark area
That is a good question. I wish I had a good answer because I would like to know the answer too.
Depends on the of the tree and species. Fir when it ages gets thick and stiff meaning not much you can do small ones bend like fishing poles and tend to do better
That should keep you busy for awhile! We had similar situation with neighboring clear cut affecting trees on our side. What's the market out there for big table slabs...alaskan mill?
I haven’t tried selling table slabs that big. For smaller ones I have been able to sell a few here and there. A chainsaw mill has been in the back of my mind. I could make some big slabs or timbers, but they are heavy and I don’t have a tractor here to move them. I keep coming up with all kinds of ideas but they all involve complications to implement them. Too many complications for something that is hopefully just a one shot deal this year.
I get the same question on my channel. Why couldn't it be used for lumber vs firewood.
Well in my yard once its dumped i have no way to move it and they were log rejects anyway.
If it was from a tree service if you couldn't drop it safety well firewood it becomes..
Sometimes it’s a lot less hassle to cut a log into firewood than it is to mill it into lumber.
looks like you have a lot of logs to take care of
Yep a lot of big ones.
Timbers and fire wood. Double headed granburg mill for the timbers. There has got to be a specialty market for 12X12 timbers.
I have thought about chainsaw mill. But 12x12 and even smaller timbers are heavy and I don’t have the tractor here to move them. There would be ways to do it but time is limited before the rains come and it’s too late.
I wood definately slab up or half and quarter those big windfall to fit into the LT15
I probably would too if Douglas fir lumber was selling around here for a decent price.
Enjoyed this vid and the previous one. Some stonking trees here - big and beautiful form. Ironic that they are too big to mill and that there is no market. Shame. I've been felling trees and doing bits of woodland ecology in southern UK for 40 years and have rarely seen softwoods like those in any quantity, and those only on Forestry Commission plantations. We're mostly hardwoods and the landform is much less up 'n' down. The only native conifers are yew and juniper (now vanishingly rare) with Scots pine in Scotland and maybe on the Norfolk Brecks. How are all your wildfires starting? Naturally, or arseholes? Worrying.
Question: If you're going to be milling on two sites, why not px your static LT15 for a mobile version? Good luck working through all those windthrows.
Terminology: We'd call 'root wads' 'root plates'. Your 'stickered lumber' would be 'timber in stick'.
Late to the party but: That giant tree at 1:55. Were you able to find someone to saw it into slabs? It looks like an awesome tree to slab out.
Maybe, you should buy the "go trailer"!
I sometimes think about getting a trailer frame I can put the mill on.
What's America like for biomass chip boilers? For messes like that on the forestry Estate im on we would of take. Alot of the main smaller stuff for chipping material
Hi from Scotland by the way. Love the content
A while back there were some government subsidies for sending biomass to boilers. Some of the timber companies were taking advantage of it for a while, but I don’t see it so much any more. In the area where my other property is, there is a biomass powered power plant. They used to allow the public to drop off wood waste free, and they would pay a little bit for higher volume commercial wood waste. Now they are charging people to drop off waste and I don’t know if they are paying anything for commercial waste. When I looked into it years ago, it wasn’t enough to make it worth it.
Good to know you are watching from Scotland, where my ancestors are from.
Firewood sounds like the answer.
I have come up with all kinds of possibilities but firewood keeps coming up as the most practical.
Do you ever pile the slash and burn it to clear out the floor?
I do that more on the other property. That one is in a drier climate where wildfire danger is a big concern. I will probably be doing some slash burning videos there this winter. The property where this video is, is in the coastal rainforest where the slash just has a way of disappearing on its own fairly quickly. Where some of it landed at the bottom of the hill and it’s in the way, I might burn some of it. I will probably talk a little about some of the slash in this project in an upcoming video.
That is a lot of work and money
I would love to have the big logs for my LT50 wide . Too bad you are so far away .
It would be good if someone with a big mill like that could take care of the situation and split the material. Most people who would really want that kind of material are probably also too far away.
Yup not worth the hassle for lumber....but...what if you were to mill beams for timber frame shed kits...come up with a design and cut the kits so all the home owners had to do was assemble them in their back yards ...probably could get top dollar then ...maybe some nice small chicken coops to...cheers ...oh and I don't mean for those logs now ...I mean down the road
I do think about those kind of things sometimes. I have had ideas of experimenting with possible products. The last couple years I have been in a rush to salvage the bug killed trees, now blown over trees before they rot. If I wasn’t so busy dealing with these trees, I could take some time and figure out a good ways to deal with all these trees.
That is one big total mess you got yourself there to deal with. Hate to see all them down trees. But on a good note you will have plenty of firewood for sale .
And a shame to have to cut really nice logs into firewood. But the firewood orders are coming in fast and lumber orders are not. So firewood it is.
@@WilsonForestLands
Yea they look like really nice sawmill logs. But like you said
Lumber ain’t selling and firewood is. Back to that supply and demand
And from the looks of things you got plenty of supply laying around 😂 so demand it is $$$$
Take care and be safe in the process.
I can saw a 40” probably bigger on my lt40 wide
I am curious what state you live in? I am in Oregon.
I live in Oregon, most of the time.
If I was closer I’d bring my mill over and help you with those big fellas. Lots of liner there.
Yep that’s what these logs need, someone with a portable wide cut sawmill.
I know you cut up a lot of fire wood on fast speed, how many days have you had to work on cleaning up that mess? At least you do have a market for fire wood and from the looks of it there are a lot there, it is a shame the logs can't be millled, a heck of a lot of board feet. Are you at liberty to say what town you are close to? Brookings is nice and so is Crescent City.
Have a good day.
The first day cleaning up the road was a full day work including doing video. The time lapse in this video was probably 3 or 4 hours. I put in another half day of cutting today. I prefer to not divulge the location of this property publicly. but near a town that you are very very familiar with. 😉 Very familiar. 😉
@@WilsonForestLandsI'm sorry, I was by no means trying to find out where you are, I'm sort of familiar with the area on the coast Norther Cal and Southern Ore. I do enjoy your videos. Just a note my Dad and Uncle were partner fallers in the 30s, 40s and 50s. and he was only 5'6'' 140 in the Washington area.
No problem with your question, I sent you a private reply.
You should be able to get a lot of firewood and lumber out of all them trees
Yep I have no shortage of wood. I have more wood than I know what to do with.
@@WilsonForestLands you will figure it out what to do with all that wood. I know you will
How far away will that mic pick up?
I am not sure, that is as far as I have taken it. That was probably about 200 feet. Maybe I should do a test to see how far it will go.
Same story.
The BC Timber sales assholes lay out cutting permits right along the private/public line.
Then a contractor from far away cuts right up to the lot line and all the wind damage is on the private land. Plus a big slash/fire hazard adjacent.
I cut a lot of firewood or I will have a mill come in.
If I sell it to the monopoly mill, I have to pay trucking and taxes.
Which is about half the value.
Better to burn it up in a few years.
Hopefully you can find a profitable use for them. I would certainly not throw good money after bad. Plus your time is valuable. Maybe figure out a way to really draw attention on CZcams making some kind of reclamation video series??
Good luck!
Good comment. It should turn out profitable. And I will definitely try to make the best of it on CZcams. cleaning up the mess and going into reclamation of that spot. Some of that might even stretch into next summer.
Make firewood lemonade.
In this forester's opinion (25+ years experience...albeit east coast), I'd say that you're making the right call for YOU.
Spoken like a good forester, one who factors in the situation of the landowner. Thank you.
@WilsonForestLands just glad that all of that wood isn't going to waste. At least y'all still have a good firewood market. Ours (piedmont/coastal NC) is virtually non-existent.
What a mess - at least you can salvage some firewood out of that.
Yep I plan on making the best of the situation.
damn , how much gas does that saw hold , lmao
Thanks to the power of video editing, it holds unlimited gas. 😁
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If I had all those logs laying around on my property I will get them all cut up into firewood and sell it by the cords and bundles !
I think that is a good plan.
i'm not a big fan of clear cut... lots of blowdowns, and if you got a good rainy season... mudslides.
Yeah they really messed up a nice spot with that clear cut. The only good thing is they opened up a very nice view for me.
Buy a bigger mill... on a trailer 😁
I would probably do that if Douglas fir lumber sold for a good price around here.
I’d mill some and sell some for firewood. I understand the logistical issues, but I’m in the building phase on our land. Not sure if you plan building there, but you could mill up all you need for future projects and make some cash with firewood.
I second this motion. Get some money out of the firewood for now. You have either potential timbers or potential 2x material for a future building project. Or, if you lose more trees through some more bad weather, you might accumulate enough for them to send a truck up there to grab them.
Around here it’s not as simple as sending a truck up to get logs. The road would need to be reworked to get a log truck in. Self Loaders aren’t really a thing in this area. They would have to bring in a loader. The local mills won’t buy the logs unless they can be certified sustainable. The bureaucratic nonsense to get that done is cost prohibitive for small quantities.
I don’t have plans for building here, it’s just timberland. At least not like a significant structure. I may build a very small rudimentary cabin. But there is so much wood on this place that needs to be taken off of it, I would rather mill it when I need it instead of trying to store it and keep it dry in this coastal rainforest. Your suggestion is a good one but in this case one of my biggest problems here is too much wood on the whole property.
Honestly?
I'd call timber company, speak to a boss-man, and see if they would come pick them up on a percentage. You could have em bucked and limbed.. they are already near the road.. there is at least the chance of a "mutually beneficial" deal at least on those biiig trees.
It might be worth a try. If the logging companies were still around here that might be feasible. But self loader‘s are not really a thing in this area and they would have to bring in some equipment to do some work on the road to get a log truck in, plus bring in a loader. That would be a long shot. The timber industry in this area is not set up for small jobs.
@@WilsonForestLands Man that sucks.
Everything here in WV has been cut 10 times over so it is almost exclusively small operations. Sounds like you could buy a little east coast truck and ride around scooping up everyone's blowdowns 😂
Guarde a madeira boa para serrar em um momento de meljores preços.
in court blown down trees would be considered an act of god. Anyone with a brain knows it's from the results of clear-cutting. I been in this situation before. I wish you all the luck..
I think you are right on about that.
For some reason your videos freezes up on the screen, last two.
It plays on the iPhone but not on Roku tv, thought you should know this fact. I lived near Eureka for 35 years and I enjoy your videos and insights.
Thanks again for sharing your videos, thoughts and time you invest!
Michael 🛶🙏🗝
Commercial timber such a scam
It should be free to everyone