777 Gets Trapped Above the Clouds and Can’t Land
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- 777 Gets Trapped Above the Clouds and Can’t Land (Air India Flight 101)
Episode 5 of Air Traffic Control Stories
After a 15-hour non-stop flight from Delhi, India, on approach into New York, Air India Flight 101 began encountering multiple system failures.
None of the instruments in the Boeing 777-300ER meant to help the pilots land the plane were operational, such as auto-land and the Instrument Landing System. The weather in New York was poor and in some places, the cloud base was as low as 200 feet.
They couldn’t land somewhere else because the fuel was running out after the long flight from India. With multiple systems failing, low fuel, and no visibility, the pilots were responsible for the lives of 370 people on board.
This is the real conversation between the pilots and air traffic control on the morning of September 11, 2018.
Air traffic control audio licensed from LiveATC.net.
Unnecessary communications and pauses were trimmed for clarity.
The positions of the aircraft may not be 100% accurate. Only involved aircraft are shown. Animations are based on air traffic control communications and data from flight tracking services.
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It's amazing what pilots go through when the passengers casually unaware, sit quietly behind them without a clue.
Meanwhile, those of us who know what "could" be going wrong are also sitting casually unaware but asking ourselves: "i wonder what's happening in the flight deck right now?" lol
..and a lot of pax probably bitched about diverting to EWR.
@@phishbill yep, can imagine the pilots thinkin "at least they are alive to complain about it"
Amazing how calm and professional both the pilots and the controllers handled themselves during this very tense situation. It's always nice to watch a video showing the value of training for emergency situations.
getting upset and emotional doesn't help anything, it only hurts.
@@gtc1961 Couldn't agree more but during an emergency situation it is very easy to slip into panic mode unless one is totally in control of their emotions at all times.
@@gerrycorbino66 not for professional pilots. I've been i aviation for a LONG time...naval aviation too...I never saw a pilot freak out. I think it's bred in them and during training you're constantly hammered with the order to "fly the plane"
Exactly. But most of that pressure was because they have too low fuel. When they will hhave more, pressure will be much less, they will have more time and more possibilities to divert to airport with better forecast. That pressure is only because airlines saving costs untill it is dangerous.
They greatly handled the situation congrats 👏🏻
Pilots did an outstanding job. No language barrier issues. Stellar communication from the pilots. ATC did a good job especially considering they were (and almost always are) juggling multiple planes that morning.
Communication was not stellar. Also should have declared an emergency so as to be given priority.
It must often be a concern for Indian Pilots, not knowing what the standard of English spoken by the American Controllers will be.
Look up Kennedy Steve awesome atc controller that gentelman now retried :)
@stevemorris3710 heard a lot of tapes with strong accents from all over the world. Especially in an emergency when there using terms they don't say often or trying to explain things in a foreign language it's not always clear and concise. They did a good job.
@@f35t3r6 Yeah he was great!
I feel communication broke down a lot here. JFK departures repeating questions multiple times even after Air India explained the problem. They seemed somewhat unshure what to do in this scenario where it wasn’t a simple go around.
The comms in the first half were a shit show on all sides - reluctance to declare any level of emergency, too much irrelevant information, too few clear requests or options communicated, just creating workload for each other - they are lucky nothing else happened on top of this
The important thing is that they landed safely 😅
the pilots seem mainly to blame here.they repeatedly didnt answer questions about fuel left, gave initially vague comment about instruments failures and didnt declare any levels of emergency.
thats what crew handled the situation calmly rather than panicking and declaring that they are in danger it will only make situation worse in the crew side,trainning and simulations flights helped them here@@cordial
I was wondering why they didn’t declare emergency.
This is a the pinnacle of aviation professionalism. Well done all around.
EWR Ground got the number of souls onboard wrong by 100.
Right! Imagine the scenario of a runway evacuation with slides, when after the 270th person jumps out, the firemen shout to the rest to stay inside the plane, as they are only supposed to save 270. 😂
It seems like a lot of redundant communication was due to a lack of deep understanding on the part of ATC around approaches (ILS vs. RNAV). I imagine this is not a requirement for ATC personnel but having this understanding might have helped in this situation.
I love seeing people working well together like this.
Thanks for this great video. Once more a great example of airmansip, teamwork and resilience
Crazy that the 777 was on September 11
Except that those were 767’s.
Yeah, crazy, all Airbus aircraft despawn on that specific date.
@@CoordinatedCarry fr
@@BigWhoopZH Real
A lot of things happen on September 11 there is a whole world outside America.
Best episode to date in IMO
Being an atc sounds like the most stressfull job ever!
that's why they can only work two hours before they have to take a break
@@LiamBeatzz yeah you’d need to mentally
@@LiamBeatzzyep and they are forced to retire at like a pretty young age
I Love your channel Luccas, it has continued to inspire me to chase my dreams of becoming a pilot. Thank you for helping keep my dream alive
Love from India 🇮🇳 bro
Such professionalism 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Wow this format seems like something I'd enjoy very much. I'll report once done watching, Mr. lucaas. ^^
Yes. You cut it together so well, one can't even imagine all the time and things in between the calls...
Also amazing use of the music, just enough narration and I was digging the little "official NTSB-accident-report recreation software" there at the end.
Cheers.
Unbelievable how many times ATC needs to hear same info from the pilot!! They are killing the time like a football game towards the end!
You've got the benefit of subtitles while they don't
They are managing multiple planes at a time. Also it wasn't clear it was emergency in the beginning of the missed approach.
one of your best...
So good to hear Kennedy Steve again.
I thought he was retired.
@@Oglongsthis was 2018
Wow. Can't believe how they were on two completely different sheets of paper. The pilot is asking for an RNAV APV approach while ATC has interpreted it as a localiser approach.
Amazing pilots
incredible skill and poise on display
Excellent video! They made it!!!
The in cabin landing noise was a great addition to the edit!
Guys this has been chopped down from over an hr this was an incredible dangerous situation great flying and communication from pilots and atc
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! INCREDIBLE
bravo! Thank you Sir! 😻😻😻
Amazing information from that incident, thanks god landing safely ❤❤
Kudos to ATC! 🎉
I find it hard to believe that in cases where an aircraft's ILS has gone u/s, there is no provision made to carry out a radar precision approach, even if it means diverting to a local military airfield. Yes, it's something else the aircrew would need to remain current on, but military aircrew seem to be able to manage it.
There is but they usually have higher minimums and cannot autoland
@@trolliixz9595Precision approach radar limits are as low as standard ILS limits. They don't necessarily require around
I don't buy it for a second that they had all those failures. I dont know how 777 GPS works but to even use LPV capabilities on that but to be able to fly a LNAV/VNAV is wild. I'm guessing they knowingly dispatched this plane with all this inop equipment thinking there was such a low chance of 200 foot ceilings
@@jarrettletoI think you are making a good point. We don’t know what their dispatch MEL items are. What pressure is the Captain under to accept less than required MEL items, etc. Has the FAA not checked into the maintenance history and the dispatching of this flight? Not holding my breath with the FAA. Never had these type of failures nor ever heard of these (compound) failures during my years on the triple. Otherwise, I still give this crew a lot of credit for eventually making a successful divert and approach. Yeah, the low altitude alert bothers me, and all of the unknowns I mentioned.
Yeah if the ils failed I don't see why they couldn't do a gps approach.@@jarrettleto
great job on the controller, and the crew side..
Good vids bro
That's Kennedy Steve on Departure.
They should really clone him.
I wish I was into recreational drugs, narcotics.
Then perhaps I could have asked for the stuff that you are on.
This happened touching the last quarter of 2018.
Stephen Abraham stopped being in that position (which you mentioned) in 2017.
Also, as a non 'Murican'.. is often colourful demeanour, non standard phraseology and informal patter.. would often be out of context for those on international flights and/or not from the same region/country.
I mean.. I don't know.. he thankfully tried to keep that (slightly unprofessional/ informal side) to mostly the domestic flights within that country. So I guess I could cut him some slack.
In personal life, he is a repository of information and a good guy i think.
Shouldn’t they have at least declared PAN considering the multiple instrument and equipment failures and low fuel?
In the US there’s a strange aversion to using PAN-PAN-PAN. I don’t know a single person that has heard it used and only seen it a couple times on the web. I know it’s an Indian flight but there’s just this odd precedent set.
From what I’ve seen it’s more common for pilots to say “declaring an emergency” if it’s an emergency but not immediately life threatening. If it becomes more serious then it goes strait to Mayday. Flight school across the country have been trying to correct his issue but it still persists.
@@jacobbaumgardner3406 thank you, I didn’t realise that. TBH if I was in that situation I would’ve wanted to tell everyone!
Exactly what I thought... In Australia I've seen a PAN declared for issues far far smaller than this.
@@Jesse-ei6hq yes, in my own schooling they used video lessons from Australia to force that point. Unfortunately older pilots in America are stuck in the past and so younger pilots are forced to adapt to the status quo, it’s a self perpetuating cycle.
nice work to all involved
My deepest respect for that flight crew.
Great video👍🏻
Yay. So happy for the story ending!
Dang, major Pucker Factor on that one. Thanks Lucas.
😂😂😂 My little feathered birdie butt cheeks were clenched as well. 🐦⬛
@@BirdTalk13 Poor guys, I was remembering the feeling of those "How the hell did I end up here" moments when you are left two options: "Unbelievably bad' and 'Most likely fatal'. Flight safety is largely about options, and continuing flight into where all their alternates are basically '0-0', left them with basically three options: Successful Auto-landing with buggy avionics. Hand-flying a 0-0 landing and possibly crashing, or running out of fuel and crashing.
Man, the Newark Approach ATC was cool as a cucumber.
Give those pilots a huge raise.
I realize it might be weird for a 777 but I'd likely ask for a radar approach (and use a handheld localizer, if available).
Great pilotting...
All them handovers. I still felt they was all informed and didn't stress the situation
what team work!
Great story
Well done everybody involved ❤
New York Tower Air India 101 Heavy, have you tried turning it off, unplugging it, waiting ten seconds, then turning it back on again?
Wow. I don’t remain that calm even when asleep.
September 11 is crazy
WAUWWW SO NICE TO HEAR!!!
Early to your vidoes also On september 11 💀💀
16:26 - incorrect number of souls. Might have been a bad mistake...
souls weight almost nothing. Incorrect number of bodies would be worse.
Incorrect amount of fuel by a factor of 10.
Is there really no airports around there with ground controlled approaches? I don't know if airliners can fly PAR's but having at least a couple in the area for situations like this would be really helpful.
Why always September 11💀
Confirmation bias
Situations like this happen every day.
I love a happy ending!
Sounds like the legendary Kennedy Steve in the approach frequency
What was the reason for multiple Instr failures ? did AI declare as an EM aircraft ?
ATC at JFK did an awesome job as well !
That's crazy the amount of information they have to be able to give and to receive while taking important decisions and piloting such a complex machine. Very impressive!
so cool
Wow. Can't believe that the Air India pilot had better English comprehension than the atc.
Whatever has happened on Newark airport, is history. Our pilots have done amazing, Multiple failures with no APU available is quite risky. We wish you luck Air India and please for god sake, remove the new livery, it sucks. Good luck for the future!
Unlucky flight became a bit luckier with this😄
The Pilots talked about LNAV/VNAV approach in favour of ILS, and later they mentioned opting for ILS, why did that switch happen?
If they have some unreliable instruments but still have a plenty of fuel in their tanks (but kind of low fuel as the pilot said) maybe he should have said : "Pan Pan! Pan Pan! Pan Pan!". Overall, they did a great job handling those issues and made a safe landing at Newark.
Pan is only said three times.
Do you understand the amount of paperwork this would have generated? 😂
Wow 😮
more vids like this plzz more more
Absolutely frightening to watch...
I'm not an aviator, but a quick search and a few calculations gives maybe 45 minutes of flight with 7200kg of fuel, probably only half an hour at low altitude.
Fun fact: my grandpa was an engineer that designed the Boeing 777
I don't know much about procedures, but I'm surprised that ATC didn't ask if the pilots would like to declare an emergency.
agreed, though it seems like the pilots might have done so at some point and it was edited out since they did have emergency trucks on the runway at Newark and Ground knew there were issues
ATC seemed to be treating them as an emergency aircraft anyway. That's what really matters.
The cockpit tape was accidentally erased and the fuel tanks had slightly less* than last stated 7,200 pounds.
* 27 gallons us.
That pilot was fucken calm 😂
🛑🛑 Cool Hand Luke on the Stick. 💯
My Hat is off to the pilot and crew. 💯👍
It had to be on September 11 💀
Honestly i think if they just declared a emergency the controller wouldve listened and got everyones attention
This should've been dedicated controller from the moment the pilot said something about TCAS failure very early on....also, the pilot didn't disclose at first the true reason for the go around, instead claiming the rather generic "unstable approach"
Yeah... I'd love to see the full report on this.. The chances of a 777 having so many failures that an ILS couldn't be accomplished is HIGHLY unlikely. Knowing Air India and their safety record I would tend to believe something different. Top 10 most unsafe airlines in the world.
This just shows that anyone can fly an aircraft, but ONLY skilled and highly trained people can handle an emergency. Full credit to the crew.
I guess these planes aren't expensive enough to avoid these kinds of failures? Unbelievable. I haven't flown in many years but I do remember the controllers used to have aa thing called a radar precision approach where they could, essentially, guide the pilot down to minimums. But I think the ceiling might've even been too low for that.
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can we pitch in and buy the narrator bot a sinus operation?
Bestnot to use slang like "shoot the ILS". I always use formal radioi phrases at all times patricularly in an emegency. The pilot is in command and has explained his decision,
Proud Indian 🇮🇳
No, you should be ashamed AI 101 had to go through this. This should have never happened at first-place.
@@ss10483 anything can happen to a machine. No matter how reliable and robust it is. I'm proud that even after all this pilots managed to get down everyone safely.
@@devansh8846 No.. absolutely not. Be proud of those skilled pilots. Regarding "machines" It's called zero single point failure policy in aviation. And I am angry that this incident happened so long back and till now no DGCA report is publicly released.
@@ss10483 well, that's true. I agree.
I think - although it all went well - the controller could have handled the stiuation better and also the pilot was not 100% clear in his communication. The pilot was talking about an VNAV approach, he ment an RNAV approach. The controller did not understand what the pilot meant by a "VNAV" approach. It all would have been a bit easier if the controller knew what a VNAV or LNAV/VNAV approach is. From pilot's perspective it makes sense to talk about LNAV only LNAV/VNAV or LPV because this is important for the minima, however the controller usually doesn't care about this. In this situation it would have helped, if the controller knew.
Those critics out there who think that a pilot’s job is easier since “the auto pilot flies the plane” should watch this video.
Ohhhh dear
Thing is. He never declared emergency
HMMMM... Air India... Why doesn't that surprise me ?
Does anyone know with how much fuel remaining they handed, ideally in minutes??
777W burns 7500kg/h so less than 45 mins probably
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A 777 can carry inbetween 99,000 and 137,000 kg of fuel(from a random google. ). So, they were at about 7% capacity a few minutes before landing. Not sure on exact burn rates, but at high altitude and efficiency its in-between 6600 and 10000 kg/hour. Much higher at lower altitude. Optimistically they had an hour of fuel. Realistically, they probably had far less. It took 20 minutes to hit the ground. So id guess they had 10 minutes or less of fuel remaining.
They are very fortunate that it didnt get worse. They are very fortunate that they didnt have worse burn rate coming in, and they are very fortunate that everyone kept a cool head and worked together so fast.
I never flew the B777 but I flew the MD11 and MD10 for almost 20 years. With these modern airplanes with GPS available it it possible to fly a safe low approach to 200 or 300 feet with all VHF navigation VOR/ILS inoperative to any runway in the data base or you could build the approach in your FMS Flight Management System. The NAV function for lateral and PROF for vertical navigation will fly it perfectly but you have to use outside sources to confirm it is doing its job. There are a couple of traps you have to avoid. #1 If the localizer is available never ARM it until the airplane rolls wings level on FINAL approach because the NAV will do a fine job capturing the LOC even at a 90 degree intercept but if the LOC is armed it cannot handle the intercept. It will eventually settle down but it is an ugly process. NAV will give you the perfect turn onto the LOC. #2 You cannot set the minimum’s you’ve decided in the FCP Flight Control Panel because the airplane will try to capture the minimum set altitude so you will start to go high on the desired G/S as you get closer to the set altitude unlike the way it flys right through the set minimum’s when captured on a ILS glide slope. I always liked to demonstrate this capability when conditions and weather permitted. It’s nice to have this information as a backup.
They never said “we’re out of fuel” as per the title….
What is the MEL for this amount of unservicealbe equipmemts.
The problem, these pilots became heavily reliant on computers on board... so when they lost their computers, it became a big deal. The tower can literally guide them to land because they can see the plane and they have radars as well despite poor visibility
Cre repeatedly asked to give fuel remaining in a specific format and did not.
Those fucking Air India pilots were BOSS!!😂😂
Not quite.
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