Convoy S2+ Review and Teardown - Best Flashlight Under $20
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David.
Hey man I come back and watch this every so often over the years. I learn a lot from your videos. Wish you were still doing flashlight stuff on yt
Hey! Thanks for watching! Glad you enjoy the videos. I'm still using my S2+ actually. It's so upgradable, I upgraded the driver to a FET with 7135, so it can be powerful and have a very low moonlight mode, it's pretty good actually. But there's some good lights out there that don't need you to mod too. I actually got a Sofirn Q8 Plus, would be fun to do a review and some testing on that thing, so I'll try to do that! Thanks for the message! Hope you have a good day!
This is some quality review. It's very difficult to find videos that go beyond "I like this light, it's bright" but yours is top notch! I'm thinking about a grey S2+ with just 3*7135 because at 1050mA it runs for >3h on 'high'. Most people that have 8*7135 at 2800mA or 6*7135 at 2100mA mention they actually use the medium mode more often and that the 'low' mode output of 30-40lm is too bright. I figured going as low as 4 or even 3 would be a better compromise since I'm not trying to fit the maximum number of lumens into my pocket but have something to use daily which includes walking around the home at night not blinding everyone else etc. A cool T6-3B tint for me
I will let you know when I order it at fasttech and it gets here and how I like it
+wojtekimbier Thanks man!! Appreciate the positive comment. That's great to hear, everyone wants something different from a light, and the great thing about this is that it is fully customizable, from the factory or by yourself, you can even program your own modes into the Attiny13A, or add more mosfets if you're handy with a soldering iron, 11x for 3.85A of blistering power. I added a 2750K XML2 on a copper sinkpad ii, because I'm after warm white with lots of output. I actually mostly use high, but it's nice to have medium and low, I would like moonlight too, which you can get if you replace the driver with a flashed firmware like from mountain electronics, that would be the best cuz you could have 2.8A when you need it, but very low firefly or moonlight too. The PWM of the custom firmware is 18khz and isn't audible. The stock Convoys make some noise so I think it must not be that high, maybe 8-10khz?
I think your set up would be good too, if you don't use 2.8A no need for it. It gets way too hot at 2.8A, 70 degrees celsius at room temperature actually, so only good for short bursts of use. Running at 1050mA at full would be a lot more practical, and wouldn't have the low audible whine when it's dimmed(I don't mind it, but some might). I like the warm color temp, since you can use it to light up a room and it looks quite nice, but if you're not after that, cool white works well, it stands out if you're on the sidewalk too, so cars can see you as a pedestrian easily. Everything has it's place.
Let us know what you think when you get it!
Cheers,
David.
I'd never seen a videos describing a product with this kind of detail of numbers. Thanks for the review david. Im gonna get my hands on it
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it. Thanks for the comment, I'm glad you appreciate all the detail. I've also added more content in my reviews, this was done in 2015, in the last 2 years I've added more items to the review process. Check out my latest video on the UT02 if you want, it's a killer of a thrower! czcams.com/video/tnJjGxKwfiU/video.html
Rofis, the manufacturer must have liked my reviews, so they've sent me a G01 tactical light, I'm reviewing that right now.
If you're into modding, I'll also be making some mod videos to make the most powerful compact thrower, and also the most powerful S2+. I've actually had 9.40A going to an XP-L2 in my S2+! believe it or not, it was very bright, but I think it peaks out at about 7A, any more and the output doesn't go up much.
Cheers!
David.
David Sunshine dude you're like the best.. I always like CZcamsr who reply the comment. Definitely subscribe.👍
Thanks for subscribing! You're the best!
I make my videos for my viewers, so I gotta respond to you all!
Thank you to all my viewers as well!
Hope you enjoy my videos!
Cheers,
David.
The best video ever! I just ordered 3 of those! I’ll only need to get thermal paste and follow your video once again!
I wish all reviews were this clear and concise. Great job.
Thanks man! I appreciate it. Glad you enjoyed this video.
This was one of my first detailed reviews actually, so my first try at it.
The recent ones I've made have gotten much more detailed, check them out if you're interested. I'd recommend the Convoy L6, UT01 and UT02, they're pretty cool flashlights. The On the Road M3 is a classic EDC too.
Cheers!
David.
Good review, well done and concise.
I don't recommend running at max for long periods if not strictly necessary. It gets really hot and batteries do not like heat.
Thanks man! Ya, the LED efficacy decreases quicker at higher operating temperatures too. But for the number of hours we'll use it, I don't think it's a significant amount. I recommend the Sanyo 3500mAh battery, it can handle some heat, but like you said, prolonged high temp operation isn't good for it's life span either.
Cheers!
David.
This is the best review/teardown video about flashlight i've ever seen! Just bought my yesterday on ali!
Pedro Bermudes Thanks! Glad you liked it! You'll like the flashlight even more! There's a magnetic tail add-on you'll probably like too. I use the magnetic tail quite often actually.
Cheers!
David.
I just discovered your channel a couple weeks ago and I think your flashlight videos are the most informative I've seen yet. I hope to see more of them from you.
knives save lives Thank you! Glad you liked my channel and enjoy the videos. The newer videos have more testing and info, but they are getting a little long winded so I might try to streamline them a bit. I plan to do reviews on knives as well. Cheap ones I ordered off Gearbest. Should be fun.
Your channel is cool too. Hope to see your review videos too!
Cheers,
David.
David Sunshine this video has 22k views on it, So I would say you do excellent. Either way I'll look forward to more.
David, Great review! I was researching the Lightstrike 360 which is being advertised on FaceBook here in Japan for a price of about $500US! Seemed really high (duh). Found your comparison video and you sold me on the Convoy S2+. Ordered it from eBay and it arrived from Hong Kong to Japan in just at one week. No instructions so I searched some more and found this video. I'm very impressed. It will be used as a short-time light while camping and I'm looking forward to many hours out of it. Again, thanks for taking your off-time to do these reviews.
Hi Gary!! You're welcome, my pleasure, it's fun stuff and I'm glad it can help. I go camping a lot and a great light goes a long way for sure. Sometimes you need high power to light up the area, or low power to find things and navigate, so the convoy works great. Don't forget the good 3400mAh batteries, and you're set!
Enjoy, and thanks for the comment and feed back.
Cheers, David.
Excellent review.
Every flashlight review should also have a treadown section where more enthusiast users/viewers can see the inner constructions of the light.
This review has convinced me. I hink I'll buy two sooner or later.
Thank you!
I agree, I'm glad you appreciated the teardown of it, I think it's an important part of a review, you can't really see how well it's made unless you inspect the components inside and check the quality of parts.
It's definitely worth a lot more than $13, I wouldn't even mind paying $30 for it, but don't tell the manufacturers and distributors! Keep them competing so we can get these at a great price. lol. My friend ordered 2 as soon as I showed him the light and he played with it, my other friend ordered 4 of them!
That's funny cuz I still just have 1, if the UV light doesn't count.
Cheers!
David.
I have one of these in red, awesome light. Then I ended up building one from a host with a 7138 X8 driver, an XP-L HI U2-1A MCPCB and it kicks butt! Not much more than the stock S2+ with an XM-L2 LED....
+John Sims Ya, the red one and the green one are the new finish options, they look awesome. How does the distribution look with the XP-L? It's a smaller size than the XM-L2 so I'm thinking it might be a tighter beam pattern, but hard to say.
The XP-L HI looks like a great LED, but I haven't started using them yet. With your U2, and 7138 x 8 driver, you should be getting about ~967 lumens right? If it's 334lm/1050mA. That's pretty good.
I just had to revisit this review and drop some info:
If you get the S2+ from Simon with a Nichia 219C and smooth reflector (and Biscotti, obviously), it's a classy hi CRI piece of gear with a much better balanced flood/throw beam than you'd expect from anything this short. Mine is at most 4x7135 since the driver has a retaining ring instead of solder blobs attaching it to the pill, but it's a good one and I love it.
Hi, that's a good combo for a high CRI light, thanks for sharing!
Some new stuff I've been diving into: Sofirn SP10S, it has the Samsung LH351D in there, it's really nice, with a CRI of 90.
I'm liking the SST20 with 2700K too. It's CRI of 95 and can output high lumens. I haven't tested it, but hopefully as much as an XPL2.
I ordered the S2+ from Simon with the SST20. Need to play around with it. It comes with a smooth reflector and is a small LED too. So should give you great distribution as well.
Lots of new stuff out there! Can't wait to play around with it.
Cheers!
David.
I got me an S2 for the sole reason that I don't have unprotected batteries or the budget to justify getting more than my protected ones right now. It's in the 4C tint and has only three 7135s, so not exceptionally bright, but I got other lights if I want more punch. This is just for the beam color and extended runtimes.
Now to save up a bunch for the entire L6 kit! lol
The 4C tint is what I get too. Great color. Could be warmer though, I've got 8A1 2750K in my S2+, it looks very close to incandescent, but still a little cooler, more like halogen(an MR16 maybe).
The 3 x 7135 is great for longer runtimes, is it on the biscotti firmware? They actually have a lower mode in that than the stock fw, I calculate that it lasts 388 hours on moonlight with the biscotti firmware. Much better than the stock fw which only gave me 24 hours. The biscotti also doesn't keep blinking when it gets low, it just keeps running the light as long as it can, which I find to be a great feature. I run unprotected cells, and if I want to drain it, I want to drain it. I don't like computers telling me that it's time to shut off the light. LOL. Damn machines! I'll tell you when it's quitting time.
I took out the L6 tonight for a spin, WOW it is bright. It could use a little more field angle, but I think I can solve that by putting a diffuser in the middle of the flashlight, gonna try it out and see how it works. Could make a better thrower and flooder out of the thing.
Cheers!
David.
Naw, it's on stock "Blinky" firmware; I didn't get it from Simon himself since his store is still closed and he's the only one that'd put Biscotti on an S2, all other retailers only have the C8 on Biscotti. I do want a Biscotti S2, but then it'll be 7135x8, all others make the _low_ low modes it much too dim.
I've made a spreadsheet calculating the current drain, lumens and runtimes for each #x7135 variety common on the market (x3, x4, x6 and x8), for both Biscotti and Blinky's modes. If the linear proportions I've established are correct, my 3x7135 S2 will drain 52.5, 420 and 1050mA on its three modes, and that on a 3400mAh 18650 (the only ones I own) will be 64.76, 8.1 and 3.24 hours respectively. Even if this is not 100% accurate, it's dang good for a super-budget torch if you ask me.
(as an additional, the spreadsheet tells me that a 8x7135 Convoy should run for 24.3 hours on Low with a 3400, much as you found out. So hooray for that!)
Oh I see.
I've purchased the Biscotti drivers separately and been upgrading my lights slowly. I really like that firmware over the old on-time memory ones, I was never a fan of the on-time memory.
Ya, the moonlight mode that gives you 1474 or 388 hours isn't really that useful, because it's so dim. But sometimes that comes in handy sometimes too.
It'd be cool to start programming our own drivers, and then we can adjust the modes to our own liking! One day.
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You actually can, right now! Take a look at the BLF thread regarding the new Convoy C8 and on the last page there's a lot of taking about using Linux and a USB adapter to mess with the hex codes of the driver for the best results.
I myself will wait for the day manufacturers include a PC connection for programming like Nextorch did, meanwhile I'll stick to what comes from the factory :P
I don't think they'll make it easy to program the Convoy lights tho.
I ordered a chip clip so I can connect my Arduino to the AtTiny13A, I'll see if I can mod it, but I gotta learn how to program first too ;o) So that's a work in progress.
Once you can program it tho, you can do anything you want, like personalize a light so that it SOS's your name, or something like that, your imagination is the limit!
Thank you so much. Probably the most informative s2 vid I've seen. I just fixed my light while watching.
You're welcome! Glad to hear! Ya the S2 is a beast of a light, mine is still going strong! I've got the magnet on the side clip and tail and it makes for an amazing utility light.
I like the warm white XML2 I put in there, 2750K. They have high CRI 2700K SST20 LEDs that you can use if you want. Convoy sells them on AliExpress.
I would recommend the Astrolux X5/X6 driver that has temperature control for that too, great upgrade to the S2 if you're looking to do that.
Cheers!
David.
Thank you Sir! Your videos have been helping a lot in choosing good flashlight and batteries! Nice and informed reviews you do! Thank you once again!!!
You're welcome. Hopefully it's helpful, there are a lot of choices out there, but I think I've found the best bang for the buck. Crazy thing is the On the Road M3 went up in price! It was on a good sale there. The Convoy S2+ it's still on "sale" though, so get it while it's hot! Lol.
Not sure how long it'll be $13 or so, but I don't think you'll get a better light for that price.
Cheers!
David.
Excelent tutorial! Thank you very much for sharing!
My pleasure! Thank you! Cheers, David.
Thanks David, Excellent video as always. i used the links you provided in your video descriptions to purchase the flashlight and batteries. Thank you.
You're welcome Kerry! Thank you for the kind words and the support by using my links, it really helps a lot. There are so many great products to share. Nice catch ;o) Looks like a salmon, they put up quite the fight! You'll be more than pleased with the Convoy S2+, I've also recently upgraded mine with a tail magnet, a side clip, and have ordered some magnets to heat-shrink to the side clip so I can mount it on it's side or tail, onto metal objects. It'll be helpful for working on the car, and I do that a lot so I find it handy.
Thanks again for dropping by.
Cheers!
David.
Ah! my photo? it's actually a Suzuki (Sea Bass) which I caught in Japan. Yes, they put up a great fight. I'll be doing a 3 day solo trekking trip in Kamikochi Japan so want to bring the Convoy along as it is just the right portability that I need. Cheers, Kerry
Oh cool! Sounds like a good fishing trip! Oh that will be cool.
My friend who goes on solo hikes has had crappy flashlights go out on him before, leaving him in the dark. Now he's using the Convoys and good quality Sanyo/LG/Panasonic batteries, he used to use the garbage Ultrafire flashlights and batteries, many broke/failed on him. He knows the importance of good flashlights (but won't pay $200 for them) now, so he's using Convoy. He's always very prepared now, spare flashlights, backup batteries for his GPS, cell phone, rescue beacon, all that. Lol
Hope you have a great hike!
Cheers,
David.
Excellent video! Thanks for sharing!
DAMN, this is the best flashlight review or really any review I've ever seen. All I wanted to know is, "does yours get as hot as the freakin sun?" Check. That scared the bah-jeebus out of me the first time I used it. My a1s by Atactical is 1500 lumens on turbo and only gets warm, so I thought this would be luke warm. Nope! Damn near dropped the thing as I heard my fingers cookin on that tip. Anywho, I'll put on some thermal paste(thanks!) and hockey tape on the tail.
Haha, thanks man! Ya mine gets freaking HOT, and burns your fingerprints off in a hurry. It's pushing a good 2.8A to the LED, so it's expected. All my lights that are around 10W and this size do the same thing though. The Zanflare F1 pushes 4A, so it gets even hotter, but it has the turbo timer so you gotta keep pushing the button, I think only 30 seconds on "flare" mode. I've got some astrolux BLF X5/X6 drivers that throttle the output based on the temperature though, so it's pretty awesome, a fet driver with a 7135 for low modes too. I've got it in my Convoy C8 and it works awesome to keep the temperature at whatever you want to set it to, you can program it to maintain whatever temperature you want. I got mine off aliexpress for $7, and the first one worked so well I ordered 2 more. I highly recommend that driver if you want a "safer" high output light.
The guys at BLF know what they're doing, and they've definitely hit the nail on the head with the X5/X6 driver. It's 17mm so fits the convoy C8 and S2+ perfectly. It's winter now, so I use mine as a hand warmer, works like a charm!
Cheers!
David.
Nice David, thnx for the info. I think CZ and this flashlight's manufacturer own you some sells comissions, at least from what I've bought after founding the info I needed in your reviews and how-to's. Kudos!
+xithappens Thanks man! Lol, I don't think they'll ever do that, but if people get to know about how great their products are, and enjoy them, then that's good too!
It's also probably balanced out by videos like my Remington video, where I show that the 870 jams due to some poor finishing during manufacturing.
I probably have more positive videos than negative ones though, since they're more fun, like the Chromecast 2! And the new 18650 batteries haha.
Thank you! Have a good one!
David Sunshine hi! david, when I saw ur videos at first I was suddenly amazed by ur workz and I kinda really like it! very much!! what a nice job!!! im rogelio tamala of the philippines and im a jail officer and i've been looking for this kind of flashlight for so long. if I may ask u that wd ur good samaritan traits to give me how much would it cost me if u send me that kind of light I mean the one that u modified here in the philippines? well that only if u want to lend some hand to me. I will really appreciate it if u do and its ok too if not and I understand it. thank u! more power & Godspeed! to u!!!
I got one as part of giveaway and its really good light. It beats my old Nitecore Ec25 Cobra both in brightness and compactness.
+Chaitanya Shukla That's awesome!
Ya it's a great quality light, and I like how they keep the diameter just big enough to house the 18650 battery, even all the way up to the reflector, by using a high quality reflector, they still achieve great OTF lumens with it, so it's the best of both worlds, small and compact with insanely blinding output. Nitecore make good stuff, but Convoy has them beat in quality and price.
Thanks for letting us know your thoughts!
Very informative video .. Hats off to u david... Keep making this quality videos.... U r amazing... Now im ur fan..
Thanks man! Glad you liked it. Hope you enjoy the new videos! Cheers,
David.
Your flashlight have a really cool color. I love it!
Alper Gökcek Ya it's one of a kind, I don't think I've seen other lights with that, it's pretty cool in person too, vibrant blue! You should get it!
Excellent video on a very nice light. Well done!
Outstanding review!!
Thank you, glad you liked it!
Cheers,
David.
nice video check out the thorfire c8s and thrunite tn12, both great torches
Thanks Victor!
Cool, thanks for the heads up on the great lights.
I just took a look at the Thrunite TN12, and it looks like an awesome light, I like the side switch, 0.4 lumen mode, and the 1100 lumen output. It's great they're using the XPL V6 LED, probably the best single celled LED out there right now in terms of OTF lumens. Can't get much better than that if you're looking for high OTF lumens. I am looking for a good side switch light, so that might be the one to get!
C8's are awesome, I've got the Convoy Clear C8, with their new firmware, and I gotta say, it's a wicked driver, programmable, and exactly what I'd want in a light. Thorfire C8 looks good too, but the Convoy might be the way to go if you want an XPL HI and those programmable modes. About the same price too.
Have you seen the Convoy L6? That's an awesome big light too. Everyone should have one IMHO. Here's my fairly new review on it, if you're interested(czcams.com/video/h6KlvFASrQ4/video.html).
Cheers!
David.
+David Sunshine You're welcome. I have never owned a Convoy but I feel this will change soon. The tn12 is my favorite flood edc torch while the thorfire is a great 1 18650 thrower. I used to use the old fenix tk22 and sunwayman t20cs but they are pricey and I'm always looking for best bang per buck. Btw the aaa thrunite ti3 is always on my keys. Vic
The Convoys are good bang for the buck, but I think the Thurnites give you more options and some more features, like the 0.4 lumen firefly mode, Convoy's new firmware only gets you down to about 1 lumen.
Convoys cost less, but you don't get the extra features like you do in the Thrunite it seems.
Same with the Fenix, I think you get a little more quality and features, at an increased cost.
But if you're looking for a more budget light, then the Convoys are the way to go for sure. You could get 3 Convoy S2+s for the price of one similar Fenix torch.
Ti3 looks like a great keychain light too. My keychain is already too big, so I don't have a light on it, I carry the M3 in my pocket instead. I've got a Leatherman PS4 squirt on my keychain, so it's too heavy already. It's a great multi tool to have though.
The reason I haven't gotten into Fenix and Thurnite is simply the price, I like the price point of a $13 S2+.
You can put the wrist strap through both holes so that the flashlight can stand on its back without taking off the wrist strap.
Great tip! I don't use the lanyard but if I do, that's the way to do it, I think they put those 2 holes there so that you could do that. Thanks for the comment/tip!
Cheers!
David.
Hi david you should make a review of convoy c8 with xpl hi led, your reviews are the best!!!
Thanks man! Great suggestion! I'll do that down the pipeline for sure. It's a great flashlight so it would be a good one too.
Cheers,
David.
Mr. Sunshine, thank you Sir, for all of your hard work in the making of these videos. Concise and to the point. Excellent Sir, very well presented.
Sir, since I have not been able to secure the flashlight you rated as #1 in your videos, I have fallen back on the second model of a powerful flashlight: SKYRAY KING, with a CREE MI-L T6 (6000 lumens x 3 leds). Have you ever done a review on this flashlight yourself, that I may be able to review?
In searching for these flashlights, the 6000 lumens one, I am being given my choice of going ever higher on the lumens, all the way to 30,000 lumens! The only difference, from these flashlights, from the 9000 --- to the 30,000 lumens are the number of LEDs on their heads. I am afraid that the 30K one will probably explode upon being turned on, or could be unmanageable because of the heatness. Could you please guide me on this purchase?
Thank you, Sir.
Hi Oscar, you're welcome.
Each XML can only output about 1000 lumens if driven to the full rating, but they probably run it a little less, so 3 x XML would only produce about 2400 lumens. They say 6000 lumens, but that's nearly impossible without putting the LEDs on copper and having massive cooling.
If you want a lot of light output, I would go with XM-L2 LEDs. There's an 8xXML2 on Aliexpress, tidd.ly/1616cbf4 - $58.59, that's pretty expensive though, I would only get that if I were going to upgrade it for maximum output, if that's not a goal, I would just get the cheaper one with XML instead of XML2.
A lower cost light, with high output is the 7 x XML for $20.91, that's a lot cheaper, and the output is still pretty good stock.
If I were to buy a new high powered light, I'd get the Convoy L6 now, it's not compact, but it's high powered and well priced, (tidd.ly/7c8738fe - $53.03), it's a very high quality light, it's big also, so you can run on it on high for a longer period of time before it gets hot so for about 15-20 minutes, the SkyRay King gets hot in about 3 minutes so it's not as useful. It needs good 26650 batteries, Gearbest has 2 of these 5000mAhs for cheap, (tidd.ly/77f9ae - $10.24). If I didn't have a 26650 charger, I'd recommend getting the On the Road M3 Kit (tidd.ly/715582bd - $25.59), which comes with a nice little charger, then I'd have a small and powerful EDC light, and a large flashlight, and have everything I needed in terms of flashlights.
Those are my recommended purchases.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
David.
Thanks David so much for understandable vids on led lights. I am old school ( you know candle power) . It is hard for me to understand and compare candlepower to led. You have by passed that and given spot on examples. Thanks
NOW FOR MY request. I have a farm . It is needed to have a spot light that I can see well hundreds of yards away (1 to 3 hundred yds or so) Is there any way that you can do a comparative tutorial like this for the best bang for the buck on led spots that wont break the bank? I have needed one for yrs but because of the extreme price i have and ignorance in the field I have held off. Your advice and info is something I would value in buying . Thanks again Reggie
Hi Reggie, you're welcome, and I'm glad you enjoyed the videos and could get a perspective of LED lighting from it. I don't have many throwers, but what you want is a thrower, as that will provide you with a narrow beam angle, allowing you to illuminate things much further away than a light with a wide beam angle. If you Google "budget thrower" you'll find a bunch of information on models that are good throwers. For a single LED light, the C8 XPL might be good, but I haven't tested it. The C8(Convoy model) performs well, and in my other video I use a cheap C8(Ultrafire, it doesn't have a good reflector) to hit the building that's about 200 yards away, in the video "A Complete review of all eBay flashlights". With that said, if you compare the 7X XML2 skyray against the C8, you'll notice if has a much wider beam, but still provides about the same illumination on the side of the building, it's because it has way more power and lumen output, but distributes that light over a wider area, so the actual light level on a single object is similar. It's good for searching, since you'll illuminate a wider area, I think that's what would be useful at a farm. At the end of the video, "Skyray king - how to make the brightest flashlight", I think I actually do some demo of it at the farm, and maybe at the end of some of my other videos.
I don't have any throwers, I tried to order the Convoy L2 with a XPL LED, but gearbest said they were out of stock of the one I wanted. You can try that light if you want, it might be a good thrower, but I'd probably just get the 7x Skyray if I were you tho, it lights up a big area with a large amount of light.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
Hi David ... stumbled on your M3 review and saw this S2+ review. What is the difference to the convoy S3 ?
Could you consider to review the M6 on the road as well ? Love your vids !! Really good for a non tech guys like me
I liked your tear down and tips on tail-cap maintenance etc, but have to point out an obvious exaggeration - You say in the opening text the light delivers 39% more light than wf501b using the same led and driver - but later in the video you mention the color temperatures are different so they are not the same LED. Also, since your smartphone light meter may not have the same sensitivity at all color temperatures you have yet another uncertainty. Lastly, the text later reveals the wf501b you are comparing with uses 2.4A circuitry instead of 2.8A. No wonder you get more light at 2.8A...
Still looks like a very nice light and I will be buying one. I will buy it not because it is more powerful, but because the thermal design of this is where the brass pill threads into the aluminum is much better than the P60 style lights, because it is more compact, and because the beam looks very nice despite the reflector and head being smaller than P60 style lights, and lastly but not least because of reports seen elsewhere that 20mm TIR optics can be used in place of the reflector.
Hi Morten,
Good observations.
To explain further, I actually put in a 7135x8 driver into the WF-501B, along with a Cree T4-8A LED, which was the same set-up in the Convoy S2+. It surprised me that it put out that much more light.
You're right, the color temperature makes a huge difference when reading it with the light meter, the cooler temperatures get much higher readings, when read at the same current throughputs, the efficacy is also generally higher for the higher color temperatures as well.
Ya the S2+ brass block is awesome for thermal dissipation, I've run it on 5.2A/20W continuous without an issue, after adding more copper to the back and a lot of thermal grease. It is shown in my Convoy Inferno video, czcams.com/video/Uzjv_zwr8Ng/video.html, check it out if you're interested.
I've put 10 degree 21.5mm(tidd.ly/4f762b74) optics in the S2+, but it requires shaving off about 0.5mm around the edge, a little bit of work, but I couldn't find the tight beam angles in a 20 or 21mm size.
This 5 degree reflector is pretty good too, with an XPL HI LED you'll get more throw, if you really want throw, that's the way to go, tidd.ly/27eaaf70
But The 10 degree optic for an XM-L2 is great too, if you dedome the XM-L2 with a razor blade, it'll provide more throw, I've done that and it seems to make the hot spot really intense.
Cheers,
David.
Also, to explain the 39% further, since lux is almost linear to light output, I assumed from reading a 39% higher lux level that it was 39% more light output.
If you use this photometric calculation tool(www.visual-3d.com/tools/interior/), you'll see that doubling the wattage doubles the lux levels bascially, so you can assume that a resulting 39% increase equates to a 39% increase in power input and light output, for LED's it's almost linear, efficacy(lumens per watt) drop a bit when increasing current, but not too much, and it's offset by a higher efficacy at a lower current throughput as well, so the figure they give, 116 lumens/watt, is probably an average, and fine to use in calculating LED light output.
I think the 39% increase is attributed to the reflector quality.
The WF-501B's reflector isn't as smooth, and actually scatters a lot of light, and probably absorbs some light. It's worth upgrading to the S2+ in my opinion, or a Convoy C8/XPL HI if you want throw.
Cheers!
David.
...Hope I didn’t confuse you with the dumb question Convoy 2 XML2 Body in Black with the metal clicker like this one in your review and the best deal to get it . Thanks again !
Sorry, I'm pretty sure they didn't make a black one with a metal button, my friend wanted one, but ended up getting red and grey.
Cheers!
David.
very nice and informative video straight to the points
Thank you Will!!
Dear its awesone review. Thank youu.
What LED do you recommend now? Its got SST40 with color temp. options. and has 4 groups or 12 modes. I'm having a hard time lol.
Hi,
Ya there's lots of options for sure!
Still a great light tho. I personally like the SST20 with 2700K, but they might be too warm for most people. It's only max of about 1000lm probably. If you want over 2000lm from the S2+, then the SST40 at 5000 or 6500K is good. If you want a normal bright light, 5000K will probably be for you.
But I would look at getting 3000K or 2700K if you like warm white lights, which is what we usually use indoors, except the kitchen which is usually at 4000K.
Once you have the color temp figured out, I'd try to get a driver with the modes you like. I personally really like temperature control too, it's important for safety and comfort while using it. Otherwise it can just get too hot. So the 4 mode driver has temperature control and can give you about 1800 lumens with the SST40 at 5000K. You'll want a good Samsung 30Q in there for max out or the 35E the longer runtime.
With that all said, there are new lights out there will new features that you may want that the S2+ doesn't offer: if you want a good side switch light with usb charging, the Wurkkos FC11 is awesome, it had a magnetic tail but no ATR. The Sofirn SC31 Pro is good too, but doesn't have a magnetic tail, but does have ATR, it has the SST40 so can do 2000lms. The batteries that come with them are high quality and probably Samsung cells inside. I bought a Sofirn SP40 and Wurkkos FC11 and have been impressed!
If you have a charger and don't want usb charging, then the S2+ is still a great deal though.
Cheers!
David.
I like most of the s2+ design. Except the pill that isn't properly secured to heatsink with screws. Mine overheated and destroyed the emitter on the first battery.
Damn. Ya that part of the design is lacking. But it's pretty tight in there. The MCPCB gets pushed into the copper pill by the reflector, so if the pill isn't screwed in tight, the MCPCB will pull away and burn out the led. I haven't had that issue, but I could see it happening. I screw the pill in really tight with my needle nose pliers(filed down tips). I should probably make a tool to screw it in properly though. That would help stop the thing from loosening.
Once you replace your led, it should be fine for many years if screwed in tight. My buddy has been using his for 5 years in the film industry heavily and it's been great!
Cheers!
David.
@@DavidSunshine I didn't open mine when I got it. I just dropped in a battery and started to use it. If I had known about this issue I could have avoided the premature failure. They probably saved 1$ on every flashlight by not having the screws.
@@vectraB97 Damn that sucks. Convoy does have some quality issues, I got a C8 with flickering driver, but Convoy has great customer service and resolved it. Drop them a line and they might be able to do something for you.
They must have not tightened it, and it came loose in shipping.
Cheers!
David.
@@DavidSunshine I got my money refunded almost a year ago. I also have a astrolux s43s where one emitter failed. I've fixed my s43s but I have still not done something about my s2+.
@@vectraB97 Great!! That's good they did the right thing. It's pretty easy to fix, but you may want to upgrade to a driver with temperature control (Astrolux x5/x6 driver), and an XHP50.2 3V led, if you're looking to make a powerhouse. I'm planning to do this mod soon, so I'll let you know how it goes. Would be kinda cool to have a 4000 lm S2+! I want to put on a TIR optic as well, as I like the distribution it makes.
Glad you fixed the S43S too!
Cheers!
David.
Subbed man. Great review. Just what I been looking for. A lot of the survival channels do reviews on Thrunite. They want so much money for Thrunite and I don't know enough about Flashlights to know if it's worth all that money. This Convoy S2 looks perfect for what I plan to do which is Kayak camping.
Is the Convoy C8 better than this one? It looks a bit more bulky. Ill check channel for a review on it. Thanks man.
Thanks man! Appreciate it!
I don't do a review on the C8, but check out the last video in the On the Road M3, I basically compare all the lights, you can see which one works best, for camping I would take a convoy s2+ and some spare 3500mAh Sanyo cells, and be mindful of the runtimes, on high it'll get hot and be drained in 1.5 hours or so. If you have a fire going you won't use the light much, on low it'll go for 24 hours so no issue if you use it on low, should be plenty.
No need to spend more for a thrunite, the Convoy is pretty good already. You might get more options like ultra low or moonlight with the Thrunite but I don't use those.
The C8 is a good thrower, but I find it bulky for pockets, that's why I prefer the S2+, but it depends on what you want, throwing is what some people like, a C8 with an XPL HI will let you light up a cabin on the other side of the lake. In the M3 video I show how well the C8 throws with an XML2, it'll be even better with the XPL HI.
Cheers,
David.
Appreciate the info David.
Great video glad I watched, shamed to admit had been sucked into thinking about buying the shadow hawk x800. Any thoughts on the Convoy S3? video coming soon? just looking on ebay at S2+ and couldn't determine if you get a charger to charge the battery. what is the best cheap charger that will charge the s2+ battery
+AussieMachine Thanks man! Haha, the advertising on the X800 is very good, but if you do some research before you buy, you'll soon see it's at a different level than a Convoy S2+ in terms of light output and quality. Look into a SoShine E4S to charge the battery, and double as a back-up charger, it'll take 3 hours to fully charge it, but even a dedicated 18650 charger isn't that fast. If you want a real charger, Nitecore D2 or D4 is nice, if you don't need the bells and whistles, check out the i2 or i4. (All from Gearbest)
I would warn you to STAY AWAY FROM EBAY now, as most of the devices on there are all fakes/counterfeits of low quality, the nitecore chargers you get from there will be fakes, and Nitecore's page warns of this. It's unfortunate, but Ebay batteries, flashlights, and chargers authenticity is in question these days. My Nitecore i4 is a fake, works fine, but doesn't have genuine Nitecore parts.
The Convoy S3 is actually an older model than the S2+, the S2+ can use both protected and unprotected cells, and the tail has been made to accept the wrist strap, and still be able to tail stand easily. It can also easily have a pocket clip added if you want(From fasttech).
I recommend buying all batteries and lights/electronics from gearbest if you can, they have genuine batteries, and great prices. I bought my Panasonic 18650 3400mAh and LG 3500mAh batteries from there, and have been very pleased with them.
Hope that helps! Cheers,
David.
+David Sunshine The S2+ is actually cheaper on gear best. Thanks for your help mate. Does gear best ship worldwide because I'm in Australia.
+AussieMachine Hey, ya, it's cheaper on Gearbest, so the seller on Ebay must be a true seller, until the cheaper knock offs come out, it's only time. I've been burnt so many times on Ebay, can't even count it anymore.
You've probably already figured it out, but ya, Gearbest ships all over the world no problem, if not, try out Fasttech.
Sorry for the late reply.
Hi David! Just saw your vid. Love it since it was very informative! Keep up the good work! Is there a slightly bigger flashlight from Convoy or it goes straight to the C8? Also theres a new C8 is that correct?
Hung Le Hi, I don't know all the Convoy models, but seems like C8 is the next step up, I'll have to check tho. If you want thrower it's a good one. The C8 with a programmable driver is the new one, it's clear or silver color, on Convoy's Aliexpress store. The best compact thrower I have is the UT02, but the C8 is lighter, cheaper and smaller and only performs a little less in the throwing department. Thanks man! I appreciate it! Check out my video on the UT02 if you like throwers. I'm also gonna do MOD video for the C8 and UT02 to make monster throwers. Cheers! David.
David Sunshine I've taken your recommendation. Got the S2+ along with the small upgrades along with the C8. Very good thrower indeed!! Quick questions, does the batteries with the flat top works with these two flashlights right?
Hey sorry man!! I totally missed replying to your message. I got distracted for a second and that's the danger in that! You probably figured it out already, but for others, YUP, flat tops work in all the Convoy lights because they have a spring on the driver.
Hope you're enjoying the Convoy lights, let us know your experience with them.
Cheers,
David.
Actually there's the M-series between the S-series flooders and the C-series throwers. I have an M1 and it's more or less the happy medium between them; the size and beam pattern is very reminiscent of the P60-style models, like the Surefire 6P, the Solarforce L2 or the Ultrafire WF501B in this video. The M2 is similar but more on the floody side.
Dinner-fork tongue Cool, thanks for letting us know! I checked aliexpress, M1, M2, BD01, BD06, lol so many. The BD01 looks cool, you can charge with that cable.
I haven't even touched the surface with my reviews! Looks like I'll need a room for all the flashlights out there. Cheers, David.
I just ordered the Red S2 so I can put the end cap with steel switch on my BLF A6
+Mark Gray Nice!! Is it a direct fit? I'm not familiar with the BLF A6, is it almost the same size and have the same threads as the S2+? Maybe same manufacturer too?
I think the Convoy S2+ is a great platform for modding. I'm putting some JB Weld in the block to make cooling of the LED even better so that we can push even more power through it. I'll do some testing and see how it goes. I'm doubling up the 7135s too, see how that works out. Might try de-doming a T6 too.
+David Sunshine I watched a video where a guy did it... Go to Budget light forums and search A6
Mark Gray Oh awesome!! That's good to know. I'll take a look, thanks!
+David Sunshine The A6 is on sale at Banggood.Com til 4/9 for $24.99
ok David ,well actually I have a ljk flashlight with XML t6 led (lattice bright, it is a fake CREE LED)it's too similar x800 Shadow hawk but is so cheaper hehe it cost 160 pesos (about 10 USD dollars with generic charger and battery), I also have a ultra fire c8 XML u2 led with battery and charger for 9 dollars and I ordered a convoy s2+ bluetwo weeks ago I hope get it soon ,but I can get batteries from GearBest, they cannot ship to Mexico, I only got a imr 18650 2600mah Samsung pink from a external power Bank that I broke hehe I hope this one will be enough to feed the convoy
Oh cool, you have some pretty good lights already.
You'll like the quality of the S2+, it's much better quality than the Ultrafire C8, I have that one as well. I reviewed the Convoy C8 and it was much better than the Ultrafire C8 too. For the small increase in price, I think Convoy's worth it. The 2600mAh should be fine for the S2+, it only pulls 2.8A.
Have you checked Aliexpress, their prices for the Sanyo 3500mAh aren't bad either: tidd.ly/89af768f
Half turn tail cap lock out, forgot if you mentioned that.
Nope, don't think I mentioned that, thanks for mentioning it, it's a great way to make sure it doesn't get switched on accidentally.
I've had some of my lights still turn on with the tail untwisted a bit though, since the anodization wears off over time, but that's just the older lights.
Cheers!
David.
Best Flashlight review..
Thanks man! Check it my other reviews too, I've added more info. I still use the S2+ as a handheld edc. I use the on the road M3 as a compact edc though, it's much lighter and similar power, just less runtime.
The Convoy L6 is a great bedside light, for when bears come to destroy your garbage cans, it scares them off real quick!
Enjoy!
Cheers, David.
@@DavidSunshine 👍 👌
Professional.Keep up.
Thank you! I've ordered all the new Convoy models, so I'll definitely be making some reviews for those.
They have new lights that use 21700 batteries (Cells taken from a Tesla battery pack, disassembled), a light that has a built in USB charger, an M3 XHP70.2 light (did a quick review on it already), and an SST20 S2+ high Ra (Good color quality) light.
Stay tuned! I'm pretty excited!
Cheers,
David.
I just purchased the s+ clear with the xpl emitter
Hey, I saw that model come out, how is it? You like it?
I haven't purchased it, I have green, red, blue, black, lol, too many.
David Sunshine I haven't received it yet but it's supposed to be badass the tailcap lights up blue I could only find 1 video on it and it's under a minute long
Oh nice! That sounds wicked. Let us know how you like it when you get it!
I have a problem, convoy s2+
I can't open / unscrew the tailcap. very hard when opened, is there a solution how to easily open it?
I want to replace the tail button
Use needle nose pliers. And you may have to twist them in the opposite direction of the tailcap threads.
i am sold !
Awesome! This is still my go utility light. I've added a side magnet and tail magnet, and it works great when I'm working on my car! I used the On the road M3 for EDC, because the s2+ is to big and heavy for dress pants, but each have their purpose. Optionally, you can replace this with the Astrolux X6 driver, which has temperature control, that's nice since it controls the temp by reducing output. If you're interesting in that option, you can look into upgrading to an Astrolux X6 driver for about $7, you gotta put it in yourself tho. With that upgrade, it'll have features that even the most expensive lights don't have; very customizable and the temp control can be set to whatever you like. If you want it to stay luke warm, just set it at a low temp, if you want it a little hotter, you can set it at a higher temp; you set it by turning it on, and turning it off where you want it to be at max temp. But you can use the S2+ just fine stock as well.
No need to change the color temp or anything, if you're ok with that.
Cheers!
David.
Another GREAT video bro recommend all my FLASHLIGHT JUNKIE friends to subscribe lol Quick question just subscribed to your channel few days ago so I am trying to catch up on all
Your videos . Wanted to know do they make this flashlight with the metal button back in Black ? Looked in couple of your links no luck . Thanks in advance for any and all
Help .
Hi! Thanks for subscribing, hope you're enjoying the videos!
You ask a great question, and unfortunately, the Black doesn't come with a metal button. My friend wanted to buy one with a metal tail switch, but only the coloured ones come with the metal tail switch, the rest come with just the rubber button.
You could ask the manufacturer(Simon) and see what he can do. Maybe he can make one for you? Worth asking at least. I haven't checked, but maybe the button could be pressed out of the other tails and pressed into a black tail? Would be an interesting mod. I'll have to give it a shot. If they don't make it, and you don't want to mod it, I would suggest the Blue S2+ tho, it's still one of my favourite lights.
You contact Simon through his store: convoy.aliexpress.com/store/group/Convoy-Flashlights/330416_254412389.html
BTW, if you want the next best flashlight, they've created a 21700 version of the S2+, S21A, it uses a Tesla cell, which you can buy from Simon too, and it'll give you 5000mAh(Instead of 3500mAh in an 18650), it's only slightly bigger, but gives you that extra 1500mAh, the S21A also has thermal regulation. Check it out here: www.aliexpress.com/item/33026858558.html
Unfortunately, they don't have a metal tail switch neither, and it can't use the pocket clip or tail magnet(which I really like in my S2+).
The S2+ is still a very good light, if you don't need the thermal protection or the extra capacity.
Cheers!
David.
good review...What about protected batteries? For example Panasonic 3400 protected. Is there some diference in led output if used protected battery?
thank you
Thanks man!
Protected batteries will cost a little more than unprotected, and will add a little resistance to the system.
They will work fine at 2.8A, in the Convoy S2+.
The Panasonic 3400mAh protected cells can do 7A or so, they say, so at 2.8A that's fine. You won't notice a difference, but if you want to supercharge your flashlight, it will start to show it's limitations.
For that, you'll want 20A or 30A rated cells, like a Sony VCT5 18650.
The Sanyo 3500mAh unprotected is really nice tho, lots of capacity and good up to 10A continuous.
The HG2 is good too, 3000mAh and up to 20A continuous. I guess it depends on what you need.
There won't be a difference at the upper end of the voltage, but the lights will perform better with the higher amperage batteries, since they have lower internal resistance.
I would buy the Sanyo 3500mAh and call it a day.
If you want protection, the Panasonic 3400mAh is a great deal too. I wouldn't bother with the other batteries unless you're looking to increase the output of your flashlight beyond 3A, like I did in my "Convoy Inferno" video.
Do you think the stock s2 or s3 would be a good light for an ar. Im looking for a flashlight to mount on a rifle around 500+ lumens ill take any suggestions for cheap, rugged, and bright flashlights
Thanks for the video! I have the light grey Convoy S2+ and I was wondering if I can switch the tail switch to a metal one. Do you know if they're universal? I've read only certain colors of the Convoy S2+ are able to swap tail switches.
Hi, you're welcome!
I measured the rubber tail opening, it's 15.97mm I.D., and the metal tail switch is 15.19mm O.D., so it won't work.
You could add the rubber button to the metal tail switch by machining it bigger, but can't go the other way, cuz you'd have to build up the metal. You could JB weld it in, but it would look ridiculous and probably break down the road.
My friend wanted a black S2+ with a metal tail too.
So you're right, we're only stuck with the anodized colors that have the metal tail switch.
You can email Convoy on Aliexpress and request that Simon make some runs of black S2+s with metal tail switches, he would be open to that. I think there's a market for it. You're not the only one who's asked.
The metal tail switch is really nice, I still use my blue one!
Cheers!
David.
Nice video! Do you prefer using protected or unprotected cells in your flashlights?
+Seraph I prefer unprotected cells, since I try to push many amps through my batteries, but I wouldn't mind the Panasonic 3400mAh protected cells, there's 4 of them for $18 at Gearbest on sale, and I think they can push 6A, whereas I only need 5A in my SkyRay King pushing 85W, so they work for that as well. However, if you want the most power and most capacity, the LG 3500mAh unprotected cells are the way to go, they cost you $6 for a set of 4, but if that's what you're after, I suggest those. If you're just in for a good battery, the Panasonic 3400mAh works fine.
Wow.. you earned yourself a sub sir. Is there a way to make this light a momentary on/off high non click switch? I'm thinking of using this as a weapon light
Hi, thanks for subscribing! You could do some mods to the tail switch to make it momentary on, but that's not the best way since you'll lose the ability to keep it on. If you get a new driver you can program it for 100% on only, that would be the best, then you can keep it on.
You can also get a pressure switch and rig that up if you really wanted. For momentary on. Is it for a pistol or rifle? For a rifle I can see a good pressure switch being the best.
I don't know if you'd be interested in a pistol light, but this one seems to work very well: czcams.com/video/Q61dRwjnqp8/video.html
I did a comprehensive review on it, and only after testing it's hot spot, did I realize it was hotter than the other lights rated at higher lumens, S2+ included. So if it's something compact you're looking for, this might fit the bill.
Check it out. I got it sent to me by Rofis for review, but I'd buy one in a heart beat since it works so well.
Cheers!
David.
***** Thanks for the reply! Do you know where I can buy a pressure switch or replacement driver with a momentary on/off 100℅? I'm kind of new to the flashlight scene. I'm going to be using on a rifle/shotgun. I saw your rofis review, great video!
Anytime!
The official Convoy store on Aliexpess got some new pressure switches in(I think a few months ago I saw them pop up), I haven't purchased one or tried it out, but apparently it's supposed to be of good enough quality that Convoy will sell them. A couple years ago we asked Simon why he didn't have any, he said it was because he couldn't find one with good enough quality. So I assume it's good? If it's anything like the Convoy lights, it's probably pretty good and worth the ~$8.
If you want the best throw for the compact size/light weight, I would recommend the Convoy C8(tidd.ly/d7bf850b), I haven't done a review on it yet, but you've probably seen it in comparison to other flashlights like the L6 or UT02. That one comes with the new programmable firmware, where you can set it to 100% only(mode #12), as you can see on the programming table.
You can buy a pressure switch, and install it yourself to the tail: tidd.ly/408132d4
He does sell the pressure switch already installed to a black tail, but the C8 with new firmware linked above only comes in Clear/silver, so you'll need to buy the black C8 with the XPL HI(Better throw), and specifically ask for the new biscotti firmware, I think he charges $1.50 extra for that new driver.
Then you can buy the pressure switch with it already in the black C8 tail, no soldering required: tidd.ly/904a5e9d
I'd prefer a black flashlight on a rifle.
If you still want the slim S2+ on your rifle/shotgun, then you can order the S2+ from Convoy, and ask for the $1.50 upgrade to the biscotti firmware. Something like this black one: tidd.ly/b135365e Make sure you get rubber tail, I think the metal one won't fit that pressure switch grommet.
I'd ask for the 8x7135 biscotti driver in the notes when you order, or just message them on aliexpress, they response very quickly.
Then you can order the pressure switch and install it to the tail. I checked the C8 switch, and it's exactly the same as the S2+ switch, so should be a drop in fit, both say model #HGJ-16 on it.
Sorry I haven't tested those out yet, but there's so many new things coming out in the flashlight world, I can't keep up to speed.
EDIT: Also, thought of something else, the 7135's are controlled by the positive gate/trigger, so if you jumper (with a 220 Ohm resistor to limit the current)between the positive LED terminal and the mosfet's gate, I think it'll force a 100% on mode, bypassing the controller, and making a more robust light, with less parts to fail, as you're only using the 7135s for current limiting instead of the controller and 7135s. If 100% is all you want, this is an easy way to do it, if you want programmable modes, then the Biscotti driver is the way to go.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
Great review
Thanks man, it's a good light, deserves a good review.
Cheers,
David.
How do you activate the memory function? Seems like every time I turn it on a different brightness level come on . Isn’t it supposed to remember the last level I left it on ?
Hi Varun,
Yup, it is supposed to have memory of the last mode you used for over 4 seconds, so you've gotta stay in that mode for about 5 seconds before it will be memorized. (I assume you have the 3/5 Mode ON-Time driver)
It's on-time memory, as opposed to off-time memory, so it works a little different from other lights.
If you're still leaving the light on a certain mode, like LOW, for over 5 seconds, and it's still going to MED or another mode the next time you use the light, there could be a defect with the driver.
In that case, you might try asking the seller what they can do for you, Gearbest has warranty, and Aliexpress does too.
I've actually had some drivers arrive defective, so it could happen to others as well, unfortunately.
Try troubleshooting and seeing if it works as it's supposed to:
1.) Test NEXT MODE by turning it on the low mode for 0.5 seconds. Leave it off for a couple seconds(doesn't matter how long, it doesn't know how long it's been off for), and turn it back on, it should go to the next mode, i.e.: Med.
2.) Test MEMORY MODE by turning it onto low for 10 seconds. Leave it off for a couple seconds, and turn it back on, it should go back to LOW, if it doesn't, then memory mode is failing.
3.) Test GROUP MODE CHANGE, turn on low, and wait for the blink at 5 seconds, when it blinks, turn off the light. It should be in the other GROUP MODE, with strobe/SOS, or without strobe/SOS.
If it does all of the above tests as expected, then it should be ok. If it fails to do perform one of the tests, you can let the manufacturer know it has failed to perform as specified.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
Hiya David! Sweet review! Are there any advantages to the concoy C8 that you know of in comparison to the S2+? Or should i just not think about it and go with the s2+?
Hi! Thanks! The C8 has a bigger reflector and so it has better throw, a smaller beam angle, good for longer distances. The cooling isn't as good, since it's using aluminum instead of brass(high in copper content), but that's ok if you aren't modding it for more power output. The larger head makes it harder to pocket carry too, the S2+ had a small profile and is one of the easiest to pocket, making it a good every day carry, you never know when you need to look behind some equipment and pull out your light, so it's nice that way. They both has the same modes and power options, I guess it's the size and beam angle that just really differ. I don't use the C8 since its beam angle is so tight, and isn't optimal for working on the car or uses indoors, or walking outdoors. But its a great light if you're trying to spot things in a big back yard or something, the quality is right up there with the S2+. Some people like the throwers, and it's definitely good at that.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
Oh wow, thanks for that extensive reply! I'm ordering the S2+ then, it really is higly pocketable compared to the C8. I plan to use it while working on festivals so portability is key. Thanks a heap! :)
+Slapabeardon You're welcome. Oh ya for sure the S2+ will do well for festivals, not much need for throw I wouldn't think. Don't forget a good battery too, 3400mAh or 3500mAh to maximize your runtime. When it's low, it'll drop to low and blink, but that's annoying so best to avoid it. Too bad they don't blink every 30s or so, but I guess they don't want you to kill the battery, but I would rather have light when I need it, than a useless light. Can't have it all, unless you get custom programming I guess.
Check out the description for some ordering information.
Cheers,
David.
I have just gotten the S2+ 2800mAH, should I have gotten the 2100? Now I fear it will run hot, but I did get it for protection, so perhaps not. Thanks
It will run hot at 2800mAh, but you can just run it on medium and it won't get hot.
If it's for protection then you'll probably want the new firmware in there, are you keen on purchasing a new driver and installing it yourself? If so here it is: tidd.ly/817a2be4
You can turn memory off, so that when you first turn it on, it will always start at 100%.
That's a great feature to have, which is why I like the new firmware better than the old.
Cheers,
David.
+David Sunshine Thanks for the suggestion. Once I get my light in, I will see about it. Sounds like what I need. I may come back to you for questions. Much appreciated
Hello thanks for full review, I have a question, did you have any problems with batteries shipping? , in many countries batteries aren't allowed to send by mail, I'm interested in a Convoy S2 red version from gearbest and a Panasonic battery 3400 mah and 7A but but I'm worried about I never never get the package cause it has a lithium batteries , thanks a lot for you time(my English is not so good I wish that you can understand me)
Hi,
It ships no problem, if you don't get it, just let Gearbest know and they'll refund your credit card. No risk.
Go ahead and order the S2+ and the battery.
Cheers,
David.
+David Sunshine thanks for you así David but I just order a convoy s2 and Panasonic Sanyo battery from gearbest but they have told me that now they can't ship batteries yet, so I only ordered the convoy s2
+Kiko Jeff Rodz Hi, that's strange, try Fasttech, they gave good batteries too. They are both good, but fasttech won't ship batteries to Canada, only Gearbest would. I guess it depends on where you're shipping them.
Hello David, nice review!! One question, does the Convoy S2+ have mode memory? I mean, when you turn it on, does it come with the last mode used? Or does it jump to the next mode every time it is turned on? Thank you!!
Thanks man!
You have two options.
Stock Firmware: It has on-time memory, so if you have it on a mode for longer than 4 seconds, the next time you turn it on, it'll go to the same mode. People prefer off-time memory though.
Biscotti Firmware: It has off-time memory, so if you have it off for longer than half a second, it'll go to the next mode, otherwise it'll go to the last mode used. I like this the best.
To get the biscotti driver, you gotta order it from the Aliexpress convoy store and ask for the biscotti firmware in the notes, I think he charges $1.50 extra, but it is worth it: tidd.ly
The programming of the biscotti is shown here, where the C8 comes with the biscotti stock: tidd.ly/db7a1a97
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
Thanks, David!! I got one S2+ from Fasttech and I like how it works with the stock firmware (on-time memory). Nice flashlight, indeed!!
Hey, you're welcome! That's great!
Ya, the on-time memory also makes sense, because if you're on that mode for longer than 4 seconds, it must be a mode that you like and want to use.
Ya, you can run over it with a car(But it'll get scratched), it's a tough light. Just be careful not to drop it on it's head, as the battery will smash into the spring and the button top of the battery will get pushed in, or the driver will get damaged. I think putting in a rubber washer can help make it stronger and more robust, but I haven't done that yet, I probably should.
There's a lot of potential for the light too, if you put a MOSFET and XP-L2 in there, you'll get an insanely powerful light! I'll make a video of that in the near future.
Hope you enjoy!
Cheers,
David.
thanks !
You're welcome! Hope you liked this video on this light. I know it doesn't have a clip but you can always add one, they have some that can be fastened to it.
what is the difference between the S2+ and the S3? Also on the gear best website I see at least 3 or 4 different types of S2+, some have Cree LEDs while others have Nichia LEDs (more pricey!) somo have different codes which I do not understand: Cree XM L2 T6 - 4C, Cree XML U2 - 1B 7135 x 6 8, L2 U2 - 1A. This is so confusing!
Hi,
Good questions. The S3 is older, and doesn't support protected cells since they are a little longer, the S2+ is the newest and allows you to use both protected and unprotected. The S3 tail also doesn't allow you to put the strap on the side, making it hard to do a tail stand if your strap is on, the S2+ has two holes so you can tail stand even if you have the strap on. The S3 also has a bezel and shelf, the S2+ is one piece for the head and uses a brass block or pill, I like that better since it's far superior in terms of heat transfer and management, and easier to work on if you want to upgrade. The S3 is an older and obsolete design. The number is higher but it's an older one.
The nichia LED is the UV light, it's cool to play with as a black light.
You'll want to get the Cree XML2 version, the blue 4300-4500K color temperature(T6-4C) is my recommendation, tidd.ly/6a7c45ee
If you like a cooler color temperature, like cool white, you can get the U2-1B version, but it doesn't have a metal tail switch.
I don't recommend cool color temperature unless you want to maximize glare.
Natural white seems more normal, and is good to maximize perceived illumination.
Hope that helps!
Also, the 7135 x 6 or 8, that's the number of current limiters, the more the more current and therefore power goes to the LED, just get the one with 8 and you can dim if you want less light, it'll get hot on high, but just put it on medium if you're running it for longer periods of time.
***** it does help! Many thanks from a new subscriber.
You're welcome! Anytime! Let me know if you have any other questions.
For color temperature, I like a nice orange color like the light from an incandescent bulb(2700K), that way you can use it at home to light up the room when the power goes out, anything with a higher color temperature than 3000K will look harsh, like a laboratory.
4300K is fine, but they have warmer color temperatures available from the Convoy store on Aliexpress.com, if you want to get something more like 3250K, that's as low as they go. If you really want warm color temperature you gotta get them from digikey and solder them on yourself, it's a lot of work but worth it in my books.
Thanks for subbing!
Cheers,
David.
does this Convoy S+ that you reviewed only comes in red/blue/green? I am trying to purchase on gearbest but I don't dig the colors.
Hi David excuse. Me you convoy s2 makes any little sound when is on mid mode?? I just notice that mine one make a continuous beeeeeeppppp when is on medium mode it is so strange
Hi, Ya that's normal, it's the PWM frequency you're hearing, it makes the components vibrate a bit, so if you got real good hearing or it's quiet you will hear it. During the beam shots I put it up to the camera, but it was really quiet, don't think the camera could pick it up that well. I can only hear it if I really try, but I have bad hearing from many years of loud music. If it bothers you, you can upgrade to the new Convoy driver with new firmware. The Aliexpress store has it, I've ordered three, and will do some testing, if it's good I'll let you guys know.
Cheers,
David.
David thanks for you support david you are a great youtuber congratulations thanks a lot!!!
Kiko Jeff Rodz Anytime my friend. Thanks man! I appreciate it.
Hopefully the new driver is good, if it has a higher PWM frequency it won't be heard. Also if it has off time memory, I think that will be better with the reverse clicky button, more natural operation.
We'll see. Cheers! David.
Also, with my 2800mA on the lower settings, will it still get hot? Or should I look into a separate lamp for my daily use (with lower than 2800)?
jlpmoose oh lower modes it runs cool. no need to get les
+David Sunshine what do AMC & mA mean? I have been looking online for AMC meaning for so long now I'm just mad
Hi, don't go mad LOL.
AMC 7135 is the name of the current limiter that we use in the flashlights, each one allows 350mA to pass, so we typically use 8, so 8 x 350mA = 2800mA or 2.8A.
the m in mA is milli, so 10^-3, or move the decimal place over 3 times, so 1mA is 0.001A, or 350mA is 0.350A.
In this video, I show you how I add some AMC7135 chips to the existing 8 x 7135 driver.
czcams.com/video/Uzjv_zwr8Ng/video.htmlm30s
Hope that explains everything!
Cheers,
David.
David Sunshine thanks !! what is A?
Anytime, an A is an ampere, a unit of measurement for electric current. I like to equate it to flow rate of water. It's actually the flow rate of electrons, or coulomb/second of electrons per ampere.
If you want to know more details: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampere
Thinking about it like volume flow of water is the easiest way to understand it though, if you want more amps to your LED, your wire needs to be bigger. Same goes for you drinking milk with a straw, if you want to drink faster, just get a bigger straw.
Voltage is like velocity, if you drink really fast, you can get more out of a small straw, if you drink slowly, you can't get as much, unless you have a bigger straw.
High voltage and current, is like drinking very fast using a big straw.
So in my convoy inferno, I just try to increase current, at the same voltage, doubling the power.
You could double current and voltage to again double the power, so 4 times the power. So on and so forth.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
Have you noticed the s2+ having mode memory but not always? Mine seems like it does most of the time but then sporadically it comes in in low when I leave off in high. It really is annoying me.
Hi,
No, sorry I haven't noticed that.
When I've set the on-time memory, it's seem to have held. The original Convoy driver is an on-time memory, so it should program and memorize the mode if it's left on that mode for over 4 seconds. Once you turn it off, that mode will come on again, no matter how long you leave it off for. Not sure why it would come back on a different mode sporadically, but it could be a defect. I've had a couple defective convoy drivers over the years, so it could happen.
Try changing it between groups a couple times(turning it off when it blinks after 5 seconds on low), and see if that helps. Maybe leave it in the other group that you don't typically use, and do some testing to see if the memory holds; it's a different group/programming so hopefully it'll act differently and use different variables. That's a good way to troubleshoot it though.
If it still won't hold, I highly recommend changing the driver out.
I have changed most of my lights over to off-time memory types with more functionality/modes, using the new Convoy Biscotti firmware, or the Astrolux X5/X6 FET driver.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
David Sunshine seems like sound advice, I've tried changing back and forth several times and no matter the group it does it, in the group with strobe it comes on in strobe when you leave off in high and in the other group when you leave it off in high It comes on in low but not all the time. I did order a new led and mcpcb for it, Its gonna be my first attempt at modding.
knives save lives Hey, sounds like it's a defective driver, unfortunately.
If you have a copper MCPCB with direct thermal path (DTP), I would suggest the Astrolux X5/X6 driver, it's a FET driver so it'll be high current, only for power hungry individuals, but it has active thermal regulation so it's actually the best of all worlds, brighter than the stock convoy S2+, but also safer and won't get too hot. I use mine as hand warmers in the winter, lol.
Cheers,
David.
Very cool video. ✌🏽️
Thanks man! The S2+ is still a great flashlight, and it's my go to utility light! Perfect for working on the car, or most other tasks.
Cheers,
David.
Thank you so much for the through review!
Hey you're welcome!! I was more than happy about this flashlight, I've never bought something so cheap but so good before. It makes my cheaper flashlights look completly useless! You'll know what I mean if you choose to buy it. Also, there's a smaller light that I carry now, this one was kinda big. It's called On the Road M3, check it out, the battery actually gets 799mAh, and the thing puts out as much light as the Convoy S2+ basically, but it's tiny, and uses a 16340 battery. I like the side switch as well, and all the modes, it's got more than the Convoy, I particularly like ultra low, it works well when you need a tiny bit of light.
Anyways, just wanted to share that recent discovery.
Cheers,
David.
And the real kicker is that the M3 puts out more out the front lumens than the Convoy L2 XPL HI! Damn!!!!!
I am checking the M3. It is indeed tiny but useful flashlight. Can I ask a question for it? I see two kinds: 1A 6500-7000K and 5C 3800-4000K. What Does these mean and which one is better? Thanks bunch!
Hi, those are the color temperatures.
You know the super white light that looks cool or blue almost? That's cool color temperature, or 6500-7000K.
A candle is really orange in color temperature and is about 2700K. I like warm white and natural white, but since it comes with 3800-4000K only, I prefer that.
But if you want more glare and more lumen output, go with the 6500-7000K, I don't like that, since it's very harsh lighting, but some people love it, so it's up to you. Like the flavor of ice cream, do you like vanilla or chocolate? Lol.
Got mine from Gearbest, 3800-4000K here: tidd.ly/b00fb0c8
The 700mAh battery has a low internal resistance too, 114mOhm, check it out here: www.dropbox.com/s/hysemyuzyuk8tb3/INTERNAL%20RESISTANCE%20CALCULATOR%20v2.xlsx?dl=0
That's really good for a 16340 battery! My Nitecore 650mAh battery is 201mOhm! And that's considered a good battery.
Cheers,
David.
Cool! I just bought 3800-4000K .Did you review Convoy L6 too?
David,What is the diameter size of LED plate of convoy S2 , I look on their store there are 12mm, 14mm, 16 mm.which LED did you pick up and replace in this clip. Thank you.
Hi,
It needs a 16mm diameter plate.
If you want more throw, you might want to replace it with an XPL HI led, it doesn't have a dome, so it's more suited to throwing. There's also a 5 degree lens for XPG that'll work with it.
If you are ok with just general distribution, then a domed XML2 is good.
Cheers,
David.
Thanks for the advise.
Anytime! I think throw can be useful, so definitely consider it. Cheers, David.
Hi,David ! Which flashlight you think is better - www.banggood.com/BLF-A6-CREE-XPL-1600LM-7-4modes-EDC-LED-Flashlight-p-991823.html or the s2+ ? Thank you and have a nice day !
Hi, I think the A6 is a better powerhouse of a light, since it has a fet driver, but the Convoy S2+ is a cheaper powerful light. If you want the extra power, it's definitely worth paying the extra money for the A6, otherwise I would just go with the S2+, it's plenty powerful already.
Cheers!
David.
Hey David, which light do you prefer and why, On the road M3 or Mecarmy PT16?
Hi, I don't have the Mecarmy PT16, but I can say I'm very happy with the On the Road M3, and for the price, it's probably the best deal out there.
I also have the Olight S1R, and I prefer the On the Road M3 over the S1R, because the distribution is awesome on the M3, and the user interface is better, you can double click to TURBO from any state, off, low, medium, at any time a double tap can get you to turbo, and that's invaluable. You have to hold 0.5s to turn it on and off, and that's a great feature, since it stops accidental power-up, which happens with the S1R in my pocket all the time, it'll leave me stuck with a dead flashlight probably.
The tight beam angle and wide field angle of the On the Road M3 is awesome, way better than the S1R in my opinion, but that's because I use my light for walking trails mostly. If you want a more floody light, then the S1R or PT16 might be the way to go.
I can't speak to the user interface of the PT16, but if it doesn't have a 0.5s hold to turn on, it will most likely have the same issue of accidentally turning on as the S1R.
The options I like about the M3 that make it my EDC, is the magnetic tail, and the pocket clip(Which I added a magnet to, and now I can stick on the side of the car, under the car, wherever you need light). With the pocket clip, you can easily clip it to a hardhat, and work freely with both of your hands. The clip can be flipped 180 degrees to suit your needs. It's a flashlight that has everything, almost. The one thing the PT16 has is the micro USB port, which I think would be a great addition to the M3. But in the end, if I were to buy another small EDC, I would settle for the On the Road M3 in 3800K color temperature, the kit comes with a great 700mAh battery, and a good charger, the neoprene case isn't useful to me, but I'm sure it can be to some. A holster would have been more useful probably.
I also don't like the large head on the PT16, I think they did that because they have a 3 LED array, I'm not a fan of that since you get multi-shadowing, and a tight focused beam becomes difficult due to space/reflector size limitations. But I maybe they used a high quality optic on it and it does have a great beam, I'd have to test it out to really confirm though, but optical theory says it will have it's drawbacks.
Hope that helps!
David.
Will the normal grease be effective enough to transfer the heat from the brass portion to the body, or specially thermo grease is required.whats the difference between normal grease and thermo grease?please answer
Saurav Mazumdar Hi, yes, normal grease will be fine, but using specially formulated thermal grease will increase thermal conductivity to the body, but I don't think this extra performance is required unless you're pushing the limits and a couple degrees decrease in temp is required. The thermal grease is extra high density and made of particles that increase thermal conductivity, so it moves more heat quickly than normal grease, but if you just have normal grease you can use that, it's better than the air gaps that will be in between the brass and aluminium. Thermal grease is pretty cheap on AliExpress, so get a $4 container of that if you want, it'll perform better than regular grease. The Arctic silver stuff is way too expensive, good for CPUs but not economic for anything more. I might use some between the LED and brass, but only in expensive builds with nice LEDs. They use 99.9% pure silver particles, which have excellent thermal conductivity, you get what you pay for, lol.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
David Sunshine thank you so much.i got what I needed.
Saurav Mazumdar You're welcome.
Best review!
Thanks man! I really appreciate it and I hope to be making even better ones!
Cheers,
David.
pretty noob question but Can you use unprotected NCR18650B's for the S2+ 6x 7135 driver or does it differ from models
REPLY
Hey, that's a good question, yup, you can use the unprotected NCR18650B's in the S2+ with 6x7135 driver.
The S2 isn't long enough to use protected cells so it can only use unprotected cells, but the S2+ has been lengthened to take protected cells while still being able to use unprotected cells. So it does differ from the models, but it is fully compatible with protected or unprotected 18650s.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
hi david which flashlight would you recommend for maximum runtime, I need one to keep in my car for emergency and if it possible recommend me one that use AA or AAA standard batteries
Hi, good question.
I've used the XML 4xAA headlamp(tidd.ly/c586f890) for some time, and it worked very well riding the bike, I think a headlamp is what you'd want in your car, because when changing a spare tire on a dark highway, you'll need both hands, and have light where you need it, the lug nuts and tools. Or it's useful when you're removing everything from the trunk, trying to get at your spare, it gives you hands-free light when you need it most. It's also water-resistant, so great if it's raining and you need to change the tire. It uses 4xAA batteries, so it'll last an hour on high, or 24+ hours on low. It does have flicker in it's dimmed modes, but most budget flashlights will.
If you just want a hand held flashlight, compact, that uses a single AA alkaline, then any Q5 light with 3 modes will work, like this one, it's only $3.68 (tidd.ly/f83e065d), and will run over 10 hours on low. It's a basic zoomable light, and will be fine for use around your car. You could add a magnet to the clip with some tape or heat shrink, like I did to the On the Road M3, shown here: czcams.com/video/_wfSUfMFCVo/video.htmlm10s
Then you can mount the light to the side of your car, while changing your tire or under your hood while working on stuff.
If you're looking for a good EDC light though, the On the Road M3 (tidd.ly/715582bd $26 for the whole kit with battery and charger) is the way to go.
A flashlight that uses a single AAA battery, and has ultra low so it'll last a long time, is the Lumintop Worm(tidd.ly/f5937428), it's mostly for every day carry though, since it's so small.
Right now I keep the Convoy L6 in my car for emergencies, it can last 100+ hours on Ultra-low, and it can punch out quite a bit of light when I need it to, 3800 lumens. tidd.ly/7c8738fe It's not cheap, $53, but it'll probably be the best flashlight you'll ever have.
I have two Sanyo 3500mAh running it, but that's because I'm cheap, and I've already got those. I would buy the proper 26650 batteries for it if I didn't have spare batteries though (22650 - tidd.ly/670426bb They are fairly cheap and only $10 or so)
If you want something that won't fail, I'd get a Convoy model though. The S2+ with a Sanyo 3500mAh cell, a side clip with a magnet on there, and a tail magnet, that would be the ultimate flashlight, 24 hour runtime on low, 1000 lumens when you need it, and mounting options to mount it to your car any way you want. (I can link you to all the parts I purchased if you want to go down the S2+ road).
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
+David Sunshine really thanks it is ver y helpful David congratulations I will analize each option and I will buy the one that fit better to I am looking for, again many thanks David
You're welcome.
Also, if you're looking for the most basic 5 mode XML flashlight, that uses either 18650 or 3 x AAA, here it is for $6.35 - tidd.ly/e08916a1
It is the same as the X800 that people are saying can blind a bear and defend your home, it's actually not that bright and only 500 lumens, but it's worth $6.35 for sure. Here's my review on it: czcams.com/video/7AldAI0smr0/video.html
But to be honest, I highly recommend getting the Convoy S2+(tidd.ly/6a7c45ee), the SoShine E4S charger(tidd.ly/5faac009), and 4 x Sanyo 3500mAh 18650(tidd.ly/370373d3) batteries.
Then you will be all set up, have a charger for your batteries, your phone, and a great flashlight. If your charger is out of batteries, you can use the cell in the S2+ to charge your phone, then at the end of the night, you can just charge everything up with the E4S. I've been using all those items for a couple years already, and it's working great. I've traveled to Europe, Japan, Korea, and that's what I take with me. I think you'll be happy with that set-up too.
Cheers,
David.
hi again david i just received my convoy s2+ blue version heheh it is so powerful, it has xml2 t6 4c led and i'm feeding it with a icr 18650 26h samsung battery, is the better that I can get in mexico, convoy s2 is a wonderful flashlight but it get warm so fast, it is normal? how long the runtime is in high mode before led get damage?
ok david thaks a lot for your complete and clears answers, by the way i just ordered a convoy c8 with xpl hi 1A version from gearbest I can't wait to test it, I hope that it will be a good thrower, thaks a lot again david keep on this way , good luck for your channel i don´t miss one video
How can i replace with metal switch? My light has plastic cover on switch. i couldnt replace it.
Hi,
I think the tail cap with the metal button is different than the one with a rubber cap, you'll need to buy a new tail.
Only a couple colors come with a metal tail button, blue, clear, red and green I think.
Black and grey might only come on rubber.
I'd probably get the clear or blue. They look pretty awesome.
Hope that helps!
Cheers,
David.
David Sunshine thanks, i noticed after. i have to buy metal switch model :))
MURATHAN they sell the metal clicky separate......i don't know if you can swap them out.......Amazon has them for 8 bucks.....
Hi,
thanks for your very good review!
one question.. may be you can help me... what's the differences between convoy S2+ and convoy S3?
www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_236478.html
I'm going to buy one of these and looking at the specs seems equals..
thanks
Alex Hi,
You're welcome.
The S2+ is the newer design with better features, has a brass block and works with a protected or unprotected cell.
I don't have the 3 but I think it only has an aluminum shelf so it's thermal management is inferior.
I'd get the S2+, blue, since it has the metal tail switch.
Cheers,
David.
When can I expect it, how long did it take for your light to come in?
Some took 2 weeks, some 1, 2, 3, or 4 months.
The time can vary greatly.
***** Damn hopefully it's just 2 weeks. Were you able to track your order? Also just want to say that your videos are awesome!
RICEY702 Nope. I couldn't really track my order, and if I could, using www.17track.net/ or something, it only said when it left the country, then months later it just shows up lol.
Don't know where it went for months.
Ya I hope you get it sooner than later too. If you need it in a week, you can pay $30 or something for DHL, but if it's worth more than a certain amount they charged you another $25(in Canada anyways, maybe not the US or other locations).
For the low prices, I put up with the wait, but it's still a pain.
Thanks man! Glad you like them! I plan to do more upgrade videos, hopefully those are entertaining.
Thanks for the support!
Cheers,
David.
Does the switch have momentary on feature?
+crimsonproject Nope, like all my other tailswitch lights, it's momentary-off that's available from a half push, they do this because it allows you to easily change modes after you've turned on the light.
It's also like that because of the nature of the switch, the spring pushes the contact into place only when it's fully extended, to be momentary-on, it would need to be a spring loaded contact, which aren't used in the tail switches from what I have seen.
The latching switch that I recently installed in my SkyRay King is actually momentary-on though, it had two sets of contacts, and I used the momentary-on one, since the driver is an on-time driver, and it works better that way, as you can get to the mode you want, and then latch it in place.
I've thought about using the Convoy with a pressure switch, but the manufacturer has not found a strong enough pressure switch and wire that they feel comfortable using, I think the best thing to do would be to mod a pressure switch from a good source, to the Convoy S2+ tail, and modify the driver to be a 1 mode driver. Then it'd make a great rail mounted light. Very bright, great punch, and awesome field angle and beam angles. For less than $20 US, this thing will beat most $100-$200 lights in performance and quality, in my opinion. The light doesn't quit hold in a 1" scope mount though, it needs a piece of inner-tube rubber to hold it in place, but that's better than metal to metal.
Cheers,
David.
+David Sunshine thanks for the input. Im really sold on this, but not having a momentary on feature might be a dealbreaker sadly. I would like to be able to just half tap the switch for momentary on and let go when not needed. If u know of a similar light that has this feature, i would really appreciate the heads up! Thanks for replying quickly too!
+crimsonproject You're welcome. It is a fine light, but ya, it's got a simple switch, probably to keep the costs low. If it were a momentary-on style switch, it would certainly cost more.
There may be a tail switch out there that can drop in to make it momentary-on like the Fenix tactical lights, but I haven't found one yet.
Maybe that's what they should do in their future lights. Then it will really compete with the $100+ lights.
My pleasure.
Cheers!
David.
+David Sunshine i think its a great light for the price. Thanks for the excellent review. I might pick one up. Or two.
+crimsonproject Ya, it's not bad. You're welcome.
I said check out the RA-602, as it had a tail switch button that could be purchased separately that had a momentary-on function, and then lock on/off, but it's discontinued so not go. They seem to have some good lights, but I haven't checked them out. There's also the RA-801-L2, looks good, but can't confirm how well it works, or how well it's made. Guess we'll have to keep looking, but I'm sure there's something out there that's suitable for your needs.
Too bad I haven't seen a black or gray S2+ with the metal switch. They're all rubber domed switches.
Yup, I was buying an S2+ for my buddy and he wanted black, but since the metal switch is nicer, we decided on the blue. Hopefully they make the metal switch available in all colors, it's way better in my opinion. I wonder if the metal switch can be swapped over? Might work if they are built the same. I don't have one with the rubber switch so I can't test.
+David Sunshine do you know if the the metal switch has a rubber seal underneath?? like is it waterproof?
+selimate Yup, at 6m32s I show how the rubber insert goes in. It can take some spraying water and probably be submerged a little bit, it's more water resistant than the rest of my lights.
***** excellent, I will be getting one of these bad boys for sure!!! thanks mate!!
+selimate Ya you won't be disappointed, it's a tough light and being water resistant is great, and essential for a flashlight in my opinion. You're welcome! Take a look in the description for the various options, color temperature, the number of 7135 limiters, batteries, etc.
If only there was a brass host for this light. 😢
Ya, that would be cool.
The brass hosts oxidize tho, I'm not a fan of that.
But it's pretty cool, heavy and awesome thermal capacity and conductivity!
Cheers,
David.
There's a copper host in the works at Budget Light Forum. It's not brass, but it's something.
@@DinnerForkTongue oh nice! I'm sure that will be a hit!
Hi.
Thank you for the video.
I went toy Bang good site to look for the Convoy S2+,and I found a lot of different lights,so I am now confused.Here is the link. www.banggood.com/search/convoy-s2+.html.
Could you explain a little what is all this ?
Thank you again.
Theodore.
+ThPappas Hi Theodore, sure. Also check out Gearbest or Aliexpress, they have the Convoys on there, same seller, just a few different listings. For description of the color temperature and 7135 current limiters, check out the description of this video, step 1, 2, 3 and 4 would be of interest to you.
I would recommend the warm white(T6-4C) with 7135 x 8, and a metal tail switch. Here's a link to the blue one I got: www.gearbest.com/led-flashlights/pp_232308.html
You can get it in different finishes, like red, green, grey and black.
Hope that helps.
Cheers,
David.
+David Sunshine
Thank you very much.
You're welcome! Let us know how you like the light once you get it. I'm in the process of upgrading the light to 20W. 2000+ lumens. Should be fun. If you're interested stay tuned. Cheers, David.
Great review
Thanks man! Glad you liked it.
Note that a few months ago Convoy came out with their own firmware called Biscotti, it was written for their flashlights, and you can either buy the driver from them, buy it in the Convoy C8 clear, or ask them to upgrade the Convoy S2+ to the new Biscotti firmware for an extra charge.
It's off-time memory, and has 12 user programmable modes. So it will make this Convoy S2+ that much better! Let me know if you want a link to their store, or more information.
Cheers,
David.
C8 is bigger, I'd like a compact flashlight. I've already ordered the S2+, I don't know which firmware is on it. I'll check it when arrive.
The firmware is a C and a binary file, so you have to flash it. I think I have the equipment to do that.
Or do I have to buy a new controller board to have the new firmware?
Ya, I prefer to the S2+ to carry in a pocket or anywhere else, the C8 is too big, and is only a good if you want a thrower for distance shots.
I think all the S2+ have the older firmware, they haven't started putting the new driver into any of the S2+ yet. I think Convoy's Aliexpress store is the only one that sells a flashlight with it. Even Gearbest's Clear C8 doesn't have it, they have the old firmware in there.
You're right, you can download the code from here bazaar.launchpad.net/~toykeeper/flashlight-firmware/trunk/view/head:/ToyKeeper/bistro/biscotti/biscotti.c and flash the AtTiny13A chip on old 105D's, I haven't done that before, as I don't have the hardware to do it yet.
You can also buy the new drivers with the new firmware already flashed here: tidd.ly/817a2be4
It would be fun to alter the code a bit to personalize it to how you want it.
I'd make a group with 0.1%, 35%, then 100%, they only have 1%, 20%, 100%.
The other modes with moonlight (0.1%) all have 5 or more modes to cycle through.
Not a big issue because you can just enable memory, but then you've gotta cycle a lot more to find the right brightness later.
At least they have battery check and all those other modes, that's pretty cool.
Hope that helps.
Cheers!
David.