What Do Men Want? (ft. Nina Power)
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- Alfie Bown and Eliot Rosenstock interview Nina Power about her book "What Do Men Want?"
From the book jacket:
"Something is definitely up with men. From millions online who engage with the manosphere to the #metoo backlash, from Men's Rights activists and incels to spiralling suicide rates, it's easy to see that, while men still rule the world, masculinity is in crisis."
What Do Men Want by Nina Power
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Never heard of Nina before, but this was a good interview.
I want to hear more about the problems between men and women in our society and especially about Doug's love life. This is one of the biggest issues of our time. If capitalism is guilty of anything, it's destroying the family and modern relationships of all kinds. Great Stuff!
Virtue cruelty is infecting the clinic too. I worry for the future of analysis.
In as much as analysis has always had an elitist aspect, it is pretty much dead for the vast majority of people. Particularly since, as a treatment, it has been replaced in most countries with drugs.
@@ujean56 I suppose the question is whether the elitist aspect is an necessary aspect of psychoanalysis or whether there is something that can nonetheless be redeemed.
@@RK-pn4bc I think this channel is an attempt to answer your question. It seems to be asserting that it is not only redeemable but also necessary to the project.
really enjoyed the episode and excited for the psychoanalytic series which is much needed: its clear from some of the comments that even the more theoretically minded, like supporters of sublation media, can suffer from foreclosure
Nina v refreshing. I'm full on Marxist-communist not rightist.
The comments here are so stupid, would have thought the people watching this channel would have more intelligent things to say. Thanks for posting this, and especially for pointing out the narcissism that seems to be a huge problem on the left.
Cheers, people like to be part of the scoff-left because it just requires a repetition of their irritability without putting any critical thought into what they are saying. We just keep putting out good discussions and let the scoffers scoff and the capitalists be scum. IMO!
@@PsychologyTomorrow In all fairness, I feel like there's some overly broad painting going on here which may not be glamorous to unpack, but is necessary in order to prevent some of the comments, at least. For example, who on the Left is behaving as if life isn't hard (as Nina describes the old attitude being)? Or that we can't forgive people or only go after people who truly deserve it or aren't repentant,? I'm honestly asking. If I even accused the Left (or whoever) of this, I have to prove that *first* before giving any other ideas. You know this, so the question becomes, is this just another angle, and what is its purpose?
@@greytoeimp Right. And what is your standard of proof here?
@@neebomb2511 How about, literally anything? I feel like I have no idea who they are talking about.
When I have repeated stuff like this to someone who is not in the DSA but is absolutely behind many of these harsh reckonings, they will say: people are being held accountable. They won't even admit cancel culture per se exists!
Even Burgis' book, who is cancelling these comedians? Twitter? Jonny Greenwood?
@@greytoeimp I feel like I have a pretty good idea who these people are. I come across them IRL and see them in action on social media.
"Twitter" is a good start, I guess, as naming people generally requires them to be of some import.
I know these kinds of people IRL. I see them on social media and I see a fair few articles written by them on movies, comedians etc., often extremely banal and uninteresting.
They tend to be white women mostly, cis or trans, and subscribers to a particular kind of feminism.
Nina rules. Her podcast The Lack is outstanding
Liked for Alfie and commented for POWER 💥
"A feminized image of labour was being pushed"
Nina, do you reckon a feminized version of public discourse is also being pushed and that this is one of the things adversely affecting public discourse today? I have a nagging feeling that it is. I think a bourgeois model of femininity has taken over the public space (I mean the public has been privatized and the private has been rendered naked etc., but that's another mechanism), where we are all now subject to this puritanical PC ethos you speak of, which is really just like Victorian etiquette on steroids -sanitization, banalisation, status signalling and passive aggressive social exclusion all in one!
I figure this is why Rosa Luxemburg wasn't much of a fan of the suffragettes. She knew what that kind of feminism would eventually bring about.
I do think the notion of paternity is dealt with a little simplistically by Power.
And this does put her in danger of simply reproducing conservative views.
If something like a paternal function is being alluded to, I would be more sympathetic, but it seems to be much more literal than that. It's a problem.
The only thing I'd say is that nothing is uglier than Power's twitter enemies. Anyone on the left who's serious needs to push back hard against these psychopaths.
Nina Power - lead columnist for the Torygraph. We need less opportunist bohemian libertarians who rose to prominence leaching off the UK student protests.
we need out opportunities to be less bohemian libertarian!
Lenin was an opportunist
It seems contradictory to embrace sex and then point to the social aspect of men's suffering. Not that trans women necessarily escape these problems that men have, often times they get the worst of both men and women social experiences. But these problems don't have much to do, directly, with the material sex, either as reproductive labor or biology
I had thought Nina Power was a feminist.
No all feminists are misandrists.
what makes her not a feminist in your opinion? what should she say (or not say) in order to fit your vision of what is feminism?
@@TheYoungtrust But all published ones are. It's in the very theory. Some activists aren't, because there is an overlap between women's advocacy and feminism.
@@hugolevasseur3324 If she is decrying misandry now after everything she's said in the past. I am happy if she is isn't a feminist. She can become a consistent marxist or socialist or sth
@@emilianosintarias7337 Well the most basic theory is that of gender equality that is the axiom in witch the other stuff is theorized about. I remember Slavoj Zizek saying there would be no feminism without Descartes "Cogito, ergo sum". If you've read every feminist that is quite impressive you are quite the reader.