M2 Pro Slow SSD's a BIG Problem? Real-World Apps Tested!
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Are M2 Pro Slow SSDs a Problem? - 00:00
Teardown & Internal Differences - 00:19
SSD Speed Test - 02:04
222GB File Transfer Test - 03:29
Lightroom Classic Photo Editing - 07:10
Lightroom Classic Multitasking - 10:17
Figma Web Design Test - 14:26
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Canon C200 RAW Editing - 12:48
Are the SSD's a PROBLEM? - 18:57
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That's crazy they slow down the MacBooks like that, but I’d still take one it's way better then my 2015 air now.
I’m still in my return window for my m1 MacBook 16/1tb. I’m not real sure if I should exchange or not..
@@MikeHolliman Not. I would definitely save your money and keep the M1. Depends what you use your computer for though.
Would love to see a 16gb vs 32gb comparison and also a 512ssd vs 1tb comparison!
I have been a Mac owner continuously since 1987. I have learned to carefully look at how their computers are designed before making a purchase choice. The configurations they sell are often terrible choices. That leads to me keeping my old Macs longer, as I wait for something reasonable. This channel is a big help in separating the good from the bad.
👜s Mc🐐s Totes McGoats!
A terrible choice? Between the base model and the top of the line? Here's a newsflash: you get what you pay for and that also applies to computer. In other words, when you spend the least you're going to have to live with some compromises. That said, I seriously doubt anyone who buys a 256GB base model will notice the milliseconds difference or even be able to know there is a difference without running benchmarks. But do tell me how a few milliseconds of time will impact your workflow.
@@montex66 damn. Apple loves people like you. “Live with compromises” wow
@@montex66 Not only are you going to have less SSD performance but you're going to also have less SSD endurance.
@@montex66 The differences are measured in seconds and minutes not milliseconds. But yes, for many people the slower SSD performance won't make any difference at all. For others, it will. That's why it's good to know the facts. Thank you Max Tech.
The M2 Pro is incredibly powerful, but the SSD is also an integral part of the overall experience. I have not seen any other CZcams channel that goes into such great detail in their reviews. I am thankful that these reviews have enabled us to avoid the scams that Apple has been perpetrating against its customers year after year.
that's why it's best just to buy used when people try to upgrade their apple laptops. lol. Scoop in and get great deals and good specs.
I really appreciate the Max Tech channel, but something doesn't add up, at least for video editing test. Myself I tried the base m1 pro and the base m2 pro side by side in an export test with only the final cut open and the base m2 pro was even 25% faster. If you search on CZcams, you'll find more or less the same results in export tests done by other serious youtubers like" Zone of Tech", "Dion Schuddeboom" or "Luke Miani" (all with the 512 gb SSD). Why instead in the tests of Max Tech, is the same export time?
Could it be that the updates of the last few months have improved and optimized the m2 Pro chip?
You guys never disappoint, can’t wait for the tear down on the 1TB model to see how many storage chips we can find.
Did we post a teardown video for 1TB 2023 MacBook Pro (14" or 16")
I love that you guys also do these benchmark tests with background apps running rather than only having the benchmark app open. Much more realistic representation of the real world experience using these machines.
It would be great if you could eventually publish a comparison table of SSD performance for each of the Macbooks. The video is great, but a final table would be even better
Looking forward to seeing a speced out comparison. I’ve seen videos of people saying the 1tb version has much better read/write speeds. Also curious what the difference is like on higher ram machines.
So we can see there are empty spots for additional SSD chips. Anyone know what configuration of storage I would need to get for Apple to populate the extra spots and in theory the performance will be as good or better than the M1?
I don't know what I do without this channel! You guys are saving me money! Happy with my M1 Pro 14.
Same here what ram do you guys have ? Mine is 16gb :( 1tb SSD 10 core
@@PhoenixTubez I have 16gb ram/512gb SSD M1 Pro 10 core cpu /16 gpu.
@@RameshKumar-ng3nf processor's transistor fabrication process. Smaller the process, more the number of transistors you can fit in the same area. More computational power at lesser voltage (since electrons' distance of propagation reduces, they need lesser voltage to move). However, there's a limit to going smaller and smaller. Short-channel effects and other quantum mechanical problems arise if we go smaller than 1 nm.
@@swarnadityamaitra6257 Well said!
@@AyahuascaDataScientist Because I have an incurable disease called "lust." ;)
This is a video I was expecting! I would have loved If you tested in this video a M2 with more ssd memory to see if this problem does not longer exist if you step up to 512, 1T, or 2T and compare it to same amount of memory with a M1. However, pretty good work as always! Love the full on geeky vibe!
Would love to see this too!
Obviously you get 2 chips with 512 on Air / 1tb on pro and 2x memory speed.
@@zest01 I mean: as Max Tech shows, it seems base M2 macs have less ssds soldered inside and slower ssd performance in comparison with M1 with the same amount of ssd memory but more ssds soldered. Is it that M1 uses more than one ssd even in their base models so it’s chip in this extra ssd (ssd’s chip) helps accelerating performance? Or maybe… Is it the quality of ssds? If it’s the last one, performance should be also slow even upgrading to 2T or even 8T. Would be nice to put two macs M2 vs M1 with 2T or more to check this out.
If there is something I’m missing here, would love to be shown and understand.
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@@stephaniehansen1071 EXACTLY... I am coming from older iMac 27" Retina with a 3TB Fusion drive and would probably put the 2TB SSD in my config. But we really need to know if Apple SSD's are still slow with 2TB config or do they speed up at least to older M1.
Good info. Thanks.
Hi it's a very detailed video.. Could you please suggest me if the base M2 Pro 14 Inch With 512/ 16, okay for editing 4k/ 60 Gopro footage about an hour long in FCP? My budget is limited so would only upgrade if utmost necessary. Thanks
Exactly the type of information and tests we need. Thanks Max Tech team!
It’s so refreshing how you use real world tests in addition to benchmarks in your videos. Unlike many other channels you actually show how these machines perform in different types of workflows. Keep it up!
I agree. I would like to see the difference between the 16gb and the 32gb of ram.
Great video! Thanks for taking your time into this, Max!
Who thought that the SSD size will be such a crucial factor for performance. Thanks guys for putting this information out there.
From Apple I expected more and always believed they should do better but unfortunately they are lowering standards of the base model in lieu of increasing prices. If it was not for your detailed technical reviews we would never know and be able to make informed decisions and possible realize past the return policy and be stuck with a product which is not right for us! Thank you!
I suspect it has as much to do with their supply chain as price. If Apple is in any way supply-constrained on flash memory chips, fewer chips per machine means more machines that can be manufactured.
Apples base models are just to get people in the door. Same as their phones its been the same for years. its why they offer so little storage.
Slow SSD is a deal breaker. They are upgrading many things . But forgot a very important thing.
Yes slower SSD speeds are very important to fix and all depends what you are doing on the system. If you are going to play games then you need as quick SSD as you can get. Double the speed that apple is having with those SSDs and as you saw when SWAPS occur then the SSD speed really matters! Systems and programs always become more heavy people forget this. 16 GB won't be enough in 3 years ... Memory was once 128K and that was enormous. So please stop saying that it is enough, it isn't why do you then come seeing these videos that talk about amazing performance. I really hope that customers will bring apple to court, because sorry they are claiming it is faster, but turns out it is not always, so to me this is a false testimony. I have an M1 Max and I would be outrageous with this slow SSD speed that apple is giving on a 3k machine.
@@kpintelo
I really appreciate the Max Tech channel, but something doesn't add up, at least for video editing test. Myself I tried the base m1 pro and the base m2 pro side by side in an export test with the final cut and few other open and the base m2 pro was even 25% faster. If you search on CZcams, you'll find more or less the same results in export tests done by other serious youtubers like" Zone of Tech", "Dion Schuddeboom" or "Luke Miani" (all with the 512 gb SSD). Why instead in the tests of Max Tech, is the same export time?
Could it be that the updates of the last few months have improved and optimized the m2 Pro chip?
I appreciate your input on this! A video I would like to see is a performance test between the 14” M2 MacBook Pro vs 14” M2 Max vs M2 Pro Mac Mini. I do mostly video editing but I’m trying to figure out if it’s really worth the bump to the M2 Max to save 1-2 mins in export times.
Sorry to hear that
Such an important detail to know about. Thanks for keeping everyone up to date on these!
I have been watching your videos for over a year now, they really help me with my apple purchases and are absolutely the most detailed tech videos out there and I appreciate that and will continue watching you guys.🎉
Thank you for highlighting this SSD difference between the two laptops, as its impact on the Lightroom workflow is significant. This is surely something to keep in mind for future upgrades.
Thank you for confirming or further supporting your initial findings on the problems of slower ssds leading to ram swap issues. I think several other channels said this was overblown, taking an indirect shot at you guys, but I think it's a fair thing to point out and explain how it affects certain workflows.
i''ve macbook pro m2 13" 8/512, and my productivity usually take 150-600mb swap memory, the question is, it's possible for my macbook ssd still normal till 5 year later?
Will you be doing any testing to see how the other SSD sizes compare? I'd like to see that since there is no guarantee that if buyers/users upgrade to the 1TB or above, that the read/write speeds will be comparable between M1 and M2.
Thanks a lot for the insights. I love your videos and I'm looking forward to seeing if the M2 Pro 14" with the 1TB SSD will be faster as we expect it. It would be nice if you could show how many SSD chips Apple built inside, like you did it in this video. All the best from Germany :)
Thanks for the Tip 🤝🏾
Will 1TB and above have the same issue? And also.. how does M1 Pro 10Core/16GPU compare to the basic M2Pro (also 10core/16GPU)? Do you think they deliver the exact same performance? Thanks heaps! Love your videos
Thanks for the really helpful video guys. I’m a photographer and someone for whom the value vs productivity balance really matters. I’ve been following you guys looking into the new SSDs and seeing other channels follow. Super helpful info. Great job!
Appreciate everything you guys do. I realize it’s your job, but you do it better than most.
How many VM's can be ran simultaneously on the M2 Pro 16Gb 1TB ?
Great video again. One question though what is the minimum ssd speed variance from normal usage that will be most noticeable by a video editor?
Definitely, Tim is cutting costs as much as it’s possible, even on the 2.5K Mac models… seriously thanks to these reviews, we can avoid all the scams that Apple is committing against its users year by year. Yes, sure M2pro is super powerful, but SSD is also crucial for the overall experience
I don't think this is as much about cost cutting, but rather it is Apple creating distinct performance/price tiers to get people to upgrade to a higher storage level. The increase in cost of more lower capacity NAND chips to get higher performance compared to fewer higher capacity chips is negligible, so if Apple wanted to give higher SSD performance at the base 512GB storage they could do it at a negligible cost increase. Instead, what Apple is doing is intentionally slowing down the base SSD configuration in order to get people to upgrade to the 1TB configuration, which has a much higher profit margin for them.
These machines are expensive. Can be deal breaker for some
Thanks for all the infos! I would never buy a MacBook pro before having seen your reviews! Great job guys!
@@joakimlindblom8256 How big an SSD should I buy in a mac Mini M2 in order to have a fast SSD? (In other words, to have the right number of NAND chips and prevent a crippled SSD performance)
@@joakimlindblom8256 Most buyers will never know…
Don't the people at Apple know there'll be guys like you who will be testing and tearing the machines down to warn us about how they cut corners? Thanks for all this!
So those few of us buy a bigger model, the rest of the world buys the entry level and doesn't know about the slow down…
I don't think Apple cares tbh
@@JabiPapi quite obviously they don't. And they don't have to. It's like with Tesla - as long as people keep buying the stuff, why improve, or not even make it worse…
@@EVPaddy You're right, but Tesla atleast improves their auto pilot feature and etc. What Apple does is on another level and not to mention that ridiculous price increase outside of US
@@JabiPapi Tesla removed radar, rain sensor, ultrasonic sensors and created a whole lot of problems... also of course lumbar support for passenger, real wiper stalk, in S/X blinker stalk, wiper stalk, drive selector… I wouldn't say they're only 'improving'. Also, AP is basically frozen at least in Europe for years because they're working on FSD that is always another year away (hint: Not even close, many orders of magnitude of reliability missing for anything >level 2)
Thank you… very informative!
Great content! I've been enjoying your testing and thoughts throughout this entire series.
I’d love a test on the 1T and 2T ssd speed tests will be really disappointing seeing even with those capacity using only two chips
Yeah, that's the test I'd like to see as well, but it seems like many people are picking base models for benchmarks.
i can say it’s atleast the same speed than the same 1TB from 2021-
tested yesterday with my new 16“
Same, looking forward to see m2 pro 1tb test as nobody has still make it
@@dot.initial that sounds good, but I'd preferably see it on the 14" to be 100% sure. You never know with apple :D
@@patmog - Just tested 14" M2 Max 32GB RAM 1TB SSD
SEQ1M-QD8: 6534 MB/s READ, 7206 MB/s WRITE
SEQ1M-QD1: 3368 MB/s READ, 6219 MB/s WRITE
RND4K-QD64: 1007 MB/s READ, 151 MB/s WRITE
RND4K-QD1: 64 MB/s READ, 33 MB/s WRITE
I'm hoping when you guys test the 1GB ssd it does not exhibit this issue. I.m really looking forward to that comparison. Thanks for the great work guys!
thank you for the continued product reviews
How fast are the 1TB and 2TB version? Do they have more chips?
I like that you use AmorphousDiskMark instead of the ubiquitous BlackMagic. Because in addition to big sequential 1gb reads/writes it also does random 4kb reads/writes (maybe more relevant for swapping?). It is the Mac version of the CrystalDiskMark program for PCs.
Would be interesting to see comparisons between 16gb and 32gb. SSD speed is an issue, curious to see 1TB performances. I am very happy with the 14 M1 pro I bought on sale at Best Buy.
Thank you for the comparison videos. Currently rocking a M1Max 24 core 16" mbp and not sure it's worth upgrading. A mac mini would be nice to add to my home lab for testing.
At 14:03 and 19:26, how does increasing SSD storage to 1TB improve performance? If I have 512GB and I have enough of it free to be used for swap, isn't that the same performance? Or am I missing something?
Answering my own question.
"Performance" in this case meant SSD read/write performance. And a larger SSD means more flash memory chips, which works to improve the SSD read/write performance.
Crazy to see how crucial SSD speeds can be in real world performance
Been watching you guys for a couple yrs now, and when it comes to testing a new lineup of Macs, this might be the most in-depth you’ve ever gotten. I’m considering an upgrade soon, and I’ve found all your recent vids incredibly useful 👌
Thank you for your work
Are there any reliability consequences when using less NAND chips? I'm thinking that having 5 vs. 2 the wear will spread slower ...
Would love a full 16" M1 Pro vs 16" M2 Pro base models comparison. Loving your work.
Slow ssd is really concerning. Such a big diff in file transfer test, I didn't expect that.
Thanks bro for bringing this information out with transparency 💚💚
Thank you for the in-depth reviews !!
Thanks for the comparison! I’m sticking with M1 as a casual user only. The disk speeds are fast enough that when used as cache, overall performance is not significantly degraded. I have an 8GB memory that is always yellow but have never encountered system freezes; good thing I invested an upgrade to a 512GB SSD. Apple is definitely using CPU specs to market new models and balance profitability by “downgrading” their SSDs, which to an average consumer, can be negligable in terms of overall performance.
Seriously excited when in-memory computing becomes available to the consumer where SSD speeds will be a thing of the past used only for data tiering i.e. warm and cold data.
What SSD size do you need to upgrade to, to get the faster speed?
Thank you so much for this research!
Thank you for another awesome video. 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 I cant wait for a ssd speed test with 1tb versions of the M2 mini, air and pro. 🤔🤔🤔 Just to see if a 200$ upgrade to 1tb helps with the ssd speeds.
Also, I feel its a good idea to do a file copy (duplicate) test from one location on the same mac SSD to another location. That will give a clearer idea of ssd read write performance simply because the tests will not be bottlenecked by the speeds of the external ssd ... This test basically eliminates a huge external factor. Also a better test because it gives a perspective on the SSD speeds and performance in a real life day to day scenario ... because for some apps, the software performance does depend on how fast files can be copied internally.
Great videos btw, thank you.
Upvote for the test 👍🏻
Yup, do a copy folder test.
Wow! It's such an epic side by side comparison by tearing down them. The slower SSD and smaller cooling system is really a concern that will certainly affect heavy tasking, even though daily light usages will see no downgrade.... I'm hoping for the best 🥳
All the SSDs are the exact same speed including the most expensive model. They are made faster than they are by using a software RAID stripe 0, which writes to each chip simultaneously. That is why one SSD chip alone is slower than 2 or 4, not because the chip themselves are slower.
Max Tech, please do a better job of explaining what's going on. Leading your viewers to believe Apple is using low quality SSDs on the base model is irresponsible and misleading.
@@montex66 He is not saying that. We don't care about RAID configurations. We want the same SSD speed or better than last year. This downgrades are not acceptable on these kind of costly machines of more than 3K. Have you not seen the videos where Max Tech explained how the fast SSD was helping in case swapping was occurring when RAM memory was saturized? So basically you are saying it doesn't matter the SSD speed. Sorry but for me I am using a MacBook Pro M1 Max and the SSD speed really matters, more than anything on the system. What matters in the system is SSD speed and RAM. The process comes after that! Especially when you are a typical user.
You guys rock!! Thank you for covering everything and making the “to buy, or not to buy” choices easy!
Thanks for the video!
wow this series is really instructive, I didn't know of this difference in ssd speed... it's also interesting to see how the amount of RAM impacts the system as a whole. I agree the 8Gb RAM systems should not be sold anymore, and you demonstrated it quite well!
Thankfully 8 GB doesn't exist on the 14". But that 13.3" MBP shouldn't exist anyway. The slow 512 GB SSDs on the 14" base model that costs €2,500 here is inexcusable. I refuse to buy this machine. I got a new battery for my older MBA instead. Apple a bunch of greedy bastards.
Real-world performance doesn't seem to take as big of a hit as I thought it would for video editing, but its still upsetting to see the SSD's slow down. Can't wait to see what extra ram or a bigger SSD will do to the speed, epically on the Mac Mini.
Yea, 3500MB/s is still pretty fast. It’s obviously not ideal, but it’s not awful.
Apple could've raised priced but decided to cut costs elsewhere. Think they concluded better use this method and maintain same real life performance yet not hurt sales by raising prices.
It would cost them a few dollars per unit to do this
@@stayfocus18 it’s not just materials but labor as well
@@takoflame4948 But they *reduced* prices. If they'd kept them the same they could have avoided this issue.
You guys are doing such am excellent work. Not sure how you manage to do it all. Thanks 🙏
Cannot explain how helpful these videos are , you guys are doing an excellent work!
You can, it's quantified within the video, the helpfulness is clearly there :)
I’m interested in seeing the difference between 16GB and 32GB RAM as well as 512GB vs. 1TB SSDs.
Absolutely! Especially SSDs.
Thanks for the vidoes guys!
Thanks for this, really helpful!
Great review as always, can't wait to see the real difference between 512gb vs 1tb :)
Just commented above on my results with 2TB. TL;DR - very good on 2TB.
It's really a shame that there's such a huge slowdown in the SSD speeds with the new machines. Was waiting for them to arrive to upgrade, now I'm considering saving money and just getting an M1 model as they're all on sale.
Indeed I think you should do just that. M1 models are amazing computers
Thanks for the great reviews! It's a big help!
Awesome thorough work!
Crazy to see how crucial SSD speeds can be in real world performance usage. Thank you guys once again for the awesome videos
This is such a non-issue, though. It’s still terrific performance and an extra minute when you’re looking at seven minutes for something is basically nothing. It’s not impacting anyone’s workflow in a meaningful way.
@@Cujobob it is meaningful from time to time, plus we are talking about the newest next generation that costs 2500usd with a promised 20-30% increase in performance… this is unethical and could get sued
@@Visethelegend it’s faster in almost all real world situations including random SSD speeds which correlate with how people really use a machine. They also use less energy or have other benefits. Reducing the number of chips may reduce their costs in which it allows them to keep prices low, as well. Unfortunately, the pandemic caused issues with inflation and these aren’t tremendously higher priced given that. This seems like normal engineering decisions made to help the most people while keeping prices down.
@@Cujobob but the cost is impacting us.
@@Cujobob The fact of the matter is that Apple is taking a step back in performance and charging us the same amount. Actually, they are charging us hundreds of dollars more since last gen is getting sales around $400 off.
I would like to see the difference between the 16GB vs 32GB RAM, especially in the context of slower SSD inside the M2 Pro as the 16GB is more likely to use the SSD for the swap vs 32GB.
Thanks for these videos!
Thank you again for another great vid helpful always helpful when trying to find out what to purchase
Thanks for keeping Apple honest! It's a shame that they have cut costs on the SSDs in even their higher end devices. Looking forward to the rest of your coverage :)
Indeed
Would love to see memory comparison between 16 gb vs 32
Thank you for showing this performance tests!
Thank you for the detailed review. This really helped alot.
Wow, never seen that coming! Slower SSD is acceptable in consumer laptops, but in this type of machine it isn’t. Great buying advice as always from this channel!
Would be interesting to see how 2TB model performs in your tests
for the price you would expect it to be a hell of a lot better
Great videos; Thank you for your time and effort!
Love how very detailed it is! Thanks for the video!
Interesting results.. If I am multitasking with an M2 Pro I may not even see the extra time it takes for processing some tasks compared to the M1 Pro. However, as a consumer with not a lot discretionary income, when I have to spend more money for a new MBP I would expect the new model to be better in performance than previous model in every tasks.
I agree with you on this one. Which one are you getting?
@@roikiru6336 For my daily work requirements and budget I think the 14" M2 MBP with 1TB SSD... What about you?
@@mwkloh so even after seeing how the M1 version is better in real world usage, you are still getting the M2? I mean not much of a performance increase, way higher temps, crazy slower SSD...
@@mwkloh wanted to go for the new M2 14-inch MacBook pro 1TB too but now I’m hesitating because of the slower read and write speeds
@@claudep.1926 I am still weighing my options and am not rushing into upgrading yet as I am not in a hurry to replace my laptop. I do acknowledge that the M1 versions are still highly capable laptops compared to the M2 and realistically not a good reason to upgrade from the M1.
KUDOS, on your insightful and explicit comparison! I am excited to see your review of the 32 GB model and interested to see if the performance of the 1 TB model is faster with more SSD chips. Surprised that Apple has taken a step back in SSD performance, but it seems to make much difference in real-world performance. I would still buy the new M2 Pro at this point.
Glad you guys are bringing all the information to us
Thank you guys for the explanation!
This channel is the reason I purchased my first 14" MBP. Traded it for a 16" MBP a little later. My only complaint is the lack of 4k@120hz even using Thunderbolt to DP. So sad to see the drive speed going down. I'm curious to know if the upgrade to 1TB has the same problem where they just increase the size of those two chips or if they're adding more. @Max Tech do you know for sure that 1TB has more SSD chips than just two?
wanna know this too
What? It can do 120hz on an external display just fine. Check your cable’s capability.
@@bdkamil95 The M1 Pro can’t. I haven’t gotten a M2.
@@Eph_2_8-9 It sure can. I have a cheap USB-C to DP cable and I get 144Hz in my 1080p monitor.
@@GinMacdraugas I’m sorry I should have clarified. 4k @120 hz
It requires HDMI 2.1. They shipped the M1 MBP with a HDMI 2.0 port so I tried USB C to DP but even that was limited to 4k@60hz.
I can’t believe Apple is slowing down the SSDs for the pro users. Thanks for all the great advice.
It's all about money 💰
Yup. They pulled a bait and switch so everyone praised m1 only to cheap out on m2
Great videos, thanks both of you
Ty for the info
Love these comparison videos, and Apple seems to be forcing upgrades onto consumers. SSD upgrade is a must for M2 products if you keep your machines for a while.
I was heavily considering switching to the M2 Pro from my M1 Pro because of the HDMI 2.1 which should have been included in the first place! (I like using my macbook on an external monitor and being capped at a lower Hz is a bummer for a $2k device) but seeing they're implementing other cost cutting corners on such an expensive device AGAIN and bottlenecking the performance with the SSD, I'll stick with my M1 Pro macbook for a few more generations. Thanks again for the reviews guys.
It’s only that smallest 256gb SSD model that has the issue.
@@justinowens2465 Did you even watch the Video? This is the Pro Chip with at least 512.
Why not just get a USB c to HDMI cable problem solved
Is pretty interesting watch how the different hardware configurations plus the different loads of use can deliver different performances, but is makes sense that in single tasks more cores plus the overclock give and advantage, that is lost as more apps are open, thank you guys for the tests.
I am wondering that what happens if we add more these storage chips by ourselves?
Quite unfortunate that Apple kneecapped the entry-level options again by using less NAND modules... they definitely are banking hard on upselling you to the highest tier, whatever the cost. I must say, you cover a lot of bases that many standard reviewers (on here, at least) leave aside or only address briefly. Your coverage is very throrough and the effort placed is immediately noticeable and appreciated. It gives us who may be interested lots more to consider and be able to make an informed choice. Thank you for all the time you invest into this!!
Do you even comprehend that Apple has to offer different spec tiers in order to make a profit? Probably not. If Apple used less capacity SSD chips that would mean their top tier product would have only half the storage capacity. So obviously, the M2 should be capped at 4TB instead of 8TB so that the base model is faster in a way that most buyers of the base model will never notice? Yeah makes perfect sense. /s
Now I'm just considering moving to a refurb M1 Max 14" MBP. Still looking forward to the M2 Pro Mini vs Base Mac Studio review since that is my need, but loving the deep dive into these SSD speeds in real-world analysis. Keep up the good work!
Same here with the M1 14" MBP
Apparently if you upgrade to ATLEAST 1 TB ($200 extra) you get the full performance. I’d say just do that.
@@justinyadao744 how?
@@l21n18 Because the m2 pro base model has got one 512GB NAND chip and the m1 pro has got two 256 NAND chips. So when you upgrade the m2 pro base model, you get two 512gb NAND chips, thus unlocking the fast write/read speed of 2 flash chips.
@@luciobhikhie8134 what do you think of 8gb 1tb?
Great information. Thank you for sharing
so cool you make videos to answer our questions!
I have to weight in heavily here. I looked closely at your tests yesterday. I have to say that this SSD's configuration that Apple has gone to with many of their M2 Pro SOC's is very important to video editors. Professional editors aren't concerned with how much internal storage their computers have beyond a certain point. Most of us store our media on external drives, either direct or via some sort of a shared networked storage. Avid Media Composer uses a 10G advanced raid system that enables us to have access to the hundreds of hours of footage that our editors make use of on a daily basis. Swope files are a bottleneck that we have to monitor. I looked at how Apple is currently making use of their SSD's and it seems that in order to maintain the datarate our current M1 computers have (with say a 512GB internal drive say) we'd have to purchase 2TB internal drives on any computer going forward. Adding to the fact that Apple has locked down the root directory of their file system means that this 2TB is ONLY for swope filing.
Most of the users that watch your vlog make use of Final Cut Pro or maybe Adobe Premiere. FCP isn't really a shared media environment and Premiere does share projects but not nearly to the extent that Avid does. What that means is these Apple silicon macs and their various CPU and GPU cores are really not as advantageous as Apple likes to make them out to be. Why Apple has crippled their own computers in this way shows that someone at Apple doesn't really understand video editing.
Hey Max! Quick question, does the SSD slowness only affect the base model? meaning, if I get a 2TB will it have the SSD layout like the 2021 model does?
Same question. I’m ordering the 2TB hd
2TB should be perfectly fine. Hopefully. It *SHOULD* have two 1 TB ssd. But idk if it will be faster than M1 was.
@@JeanLucConnery I think actually more people get base models. Especially on the more expensive machines like a Max or Pro chip, or a Studio. A lot of people rely on external storage like a Nas or Das or external drives
@@JeanLucConnery Yeah lol I am one of them. I think part of it has to do with the upgrade path and certainly a decent amount of sunken cost fallacy. For example if I was going to get a Mini M2, then of course I would get at least a 512/16GB. Well of course after Apple care I’m 200$ away from the M2 Mini Pro, which is significantly better. So now I’m spending 1300$, but I still need Apple care. Now I’m at 1400$ when I really only wanted to spend 1000$. Same with m1 and Mac Studio. After I price out a 300$ hub for more ports, and upgrades to Ram and SSD, that m1 mini is very close to base model Studio Max, which is outrageously better. Again this consumes all my upgrade budget to go the next model up.
See how you can easily end up getting a base model of the higher end models? For 2-300$ over an upgrade to the base model you get a significantly better computer, but it’s only a base model. Not an obvious or easy decision in most cases.
@@JeanLucConnery Yes that is very true. However you can easily use external storage for active projects and only keep OS and applications on the internal drive. Obviously not ideal, but filmmakers and editors and music Studios have dealt with massive DAS handling the bulk of their data and editing off external storage is an industry standard. Almost no one would ever consider editing off internal storage just because of the sheer impossible amount that would be required for all the proxy files and library files that get created during an edit. However you are absolutely correct for anyone who does everything on their internal storage, and especially for laptops where external devices might not be available when traveling.
This is great information. Thanks